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Perry: Marines in video are 'kids,' not criminals [Obama: Ft. Hood Shooting = Workplace Violence]
Sacramento Bee ^ | January 15, 2012 | ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 01/16/2012 4:55:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

....[Gov. Rick] Perry's comments put him at odds with Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who said the images could damage the war effort.

"The Marine Corps prides itself that we don't lower ourselves to the level of the enemy," McCain said when asked about Perry's position. "So it makes me sad more than anything else, because ... I can't tell you how wonderful these people (Marines) are. And it hurts their reputation and their image."

No one has been charged in the case, but officials in the U.S. and abroad have called for swift punishment of the four Marines. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last week that he worried the video could be used by the Taliban to undermine peace talks.

A military criminal investigation and an internal Marine Corps review are under way. The Geneva Conventions forbid the desecration of the dead.

Texas Gov. Perry said the Marines involved should be reprimanded but not prosecuted on criminal charges.

"Obviously, 18-, 19-year-old kids make stupid mistakes all too often. And that's what's occurred here," Perry told CNN's "State of the Union."

He later added: "What's really disturbing to me is the kind of over-the-top rhetoric from this administration and their disdain for the military."

Later appearing on the same show, McCain said he disagreed.

"We're trying to win the hearts and minds" of the Afghanistan population, he said. "And when something like that comes up, it obviously harms that ability."

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But the Obama Administrations calls the Fort Hood shooting in Texas "WORKPLACE VIOLENCE!"

The memorial service for the 12 soldiers and one civilian killed at Fort Hood U.S Army Post near Killeen, Texas, USA 10 November 2009. Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan reportedly shot and killed 13 people, 12 soldiers and one civilian, and wounded 30 others in a rampage 05 November at the base's Soldier Readiness Center where deploying and returning soldiers undergo medical screenings.


1 posted on 01/16/2012 4:55:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

These people are NOT enemy combantants. They are scum who blow up civilians and torture and mutilate their victims.

Urinating on their dead bodies is the LEAST that should be done to them and that anti-western racist bastard in the White House HAS to be driven out of office next year. He’s a maniac.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 5:03:13 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

..just a muslim protecting muslim


3 posted on 01/16/2012 5:03:26 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

4 posted on 01/16/2012 5:05:09 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry is wrong about these Marines being "kids". They made the decision and the committment to serve this country that few do.

They became Marines and they traveled halfway across the world to defend The United Stes of America...They are Men.

Their only mistake, video.

5 posted on 01/16/2012 5:06:15 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Later appearing on the same show, McCain said he disagreed. "We're trying to win the hearts and minds" of the Afghanistan population, he said. "And when something like that comes up, it obviously harms that ability."

McCain is nuts - the Taliban IS THE ENEMY of the Afghanistan population. If anything, pissing on the enemy should let them know they don't have milquetoasts helping out.

6 posted on 01/16/2012 5:08:02 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: All; shield

Michele found a place to wear her sexy little black number.

Don’t women wear slips anymore?


7 posted on 01/16/2012 5:08:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Obviously, 18-, 19-year-old kids make stupid mistakes all too often. And that's what's occurred here"

Thank you Governor. Someone finally standing up for these Marines. If this happened on a College campus it would be called a prank. This administrations feigned outrage has caused most of the uproar.

These Marines are guilty of the bad judgement of filming this. I have no doubt this is not the first time this has happened. It's just the first time it was videotaped. They should receive office hours. In today's military that would most likely end their careers. Do not send them to the brig and give them a dishonorable or BCD. That will ruin their lives. They don't deserve that.
8 posted on 01/16/2012 5:13:12 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Workplace accident" was Ft. Hood?

Seems viciously ironic to call the murders THAT
given the source of the planning.

Obama and Hasan knew each other pre-inauguration.
"Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition"

9 posted on 01/16/2012 5:14:32 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
“You can’t tell me that America is not exceptional. You can't tell me that because I've seen it”

"Rick Perry has always remained faithful." -- First Lieutenant Daniel P. Moran

[6:45] Medal recipients tell of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fellow heroes -- and why they support Rick Perry.

10 posted on 01/16/2012 5:15:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ZULU
The day after Pete was killed, I was sitting at the dining room table with Hardtail, just trying to make sense of all that was going on.

My cell phone rang. "Unknown" said the caller ID.

Thought about letting it pass, but I answered it.

"Alan, this is Rick Perry."…..

11 posted on 01/16/2012 5:16:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All

Rick Perry, Corps of Cadets 1969 TX A&M

C-130 Rick Perry: He flew the world before politics …….

Perry could count on one hand the number of trips he had taken out of his home state by the time he graduated from Texas A&M University, but everything changed when he joined the Air Force.

Flying C-130s, Perry lived in Germany and Saudi Arabia. He flew in Central and South America, North Africa and all over Europe.

"I saw all of these different types of governments and I made the connections to how the people acted and looked, and it became abundantly clear to me that, at that particular point in time, that America was this very unique place and that our form of democracy was very rare," Perry said. " ... That was the greatest gift I received from my years of being in the military, and they really shaped my outlook on the rest of my life."

.....Upon graduation, he was commissioned in the United States Air Force, completed pilot training and flew C-130 tactical airlift in the United States, the Middle East, and Europe until 1977. He left the Air Force with the rank of captain, returned to Texas and went into business farming cotton with his father [Ray Perry who flew 35 missions as the tail-gunner on B-17 bombers liberating Europe]

Perry Awarding Iraqi Service Medals

Texas Marines

Gov. Rick Perry participates in ceremonies at Camp Mabry to redesignate the 49th Armored Division as the 36th Infantry Division. The former 49th Armored Division, which consists of approximately 12,000 soldiers, makes up almost two-thirds of the Texas National Guard. The division's redesignation as the 36th Infantry Division is part of the Texas Army National Guard's transition from a heavy armored force to a more versatile infantry force.

Texas Gov. Perry receives a warm greeting from Ghazni Provincial Governor Dr. Usman Usmani at the flight line minutes after landing at Forward Operating Base Ghazni by UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter. Perry led a delegation of four other governors

Lt. Col. Thomas J. Kleis (R) briefs Texas Gov. Rick Perry (C) as Command Sgt. Maj. Peter P.A. Collins (L) listens on the intelligence gathering successes the 636th Military Intelligence Battalion has achieved during their last six months of duty

Texas Gov. Rick Perry stands with Texas service members from the 636th Military Intelligence Battalion, 71st Battlefield Surveillance Brigade and the 136th Military Police Battalion on July 20th under the Texas flag he presented to the 636th.

12 posted on 01/16/2012 5:27:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good grief. I can’t believe that flotus goes out in public dressed like that much less to a memorial service.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 5:41:53 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Diogenesis

He needs to deflect and mislabel this like the rest of his politics, don’t believe your lying eyes. Won’t call it what it is. — terrorist attack, infiltration of our forces.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 5:42:50 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

OK, I looked again. I guess that’s a skirt which was blown against her legs and looks like tight pants in the second photo. Still... too tight and revealing.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 5:43:31 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Mercat
Tacky, Lack of respect.
16 posted on 01/16/2012 5:46:41 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Are you kidding? I don’t think they even wear underpants any more..just strings! Can’t wait til they put her in a burqa.


17 posted on 01/16/2012 5:48:12 AM PST by FES0844
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Urinate on a Crucifix, you're an "artist"
Urinate on The American Flag, you're a "Constitutionalist"
Urinate on a Police Car, you're a "Freedom Loving 99%er"
Urinate on the Taliban Piece Of Crap That Just Tried To Kill You & Your Fellow Marines, you're a Villain.
18 posted on 01/16/2012 5:50:51 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: ZULU
Thank you, ZULU, for stating the truth. Perry is absolutely correct and he had the courage to say it. Perry is good with a reprimand but no prosecuting as criminals.

I say give those marines medals.

19 posted on 01/16/2012 5:52:04 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: trebb

If McCain thinks we are going to win the hearts and minds of anyone in Afghanistan he is a lunatic.

The British couldn’t win their hearts and minds, the Russians couldnt win their hearts and minds and the United States isn’t going to win their hearts and minds either.

It’s no wonder McCain graduated at the bottom of his US Naval Academy class and crashed so many planes. He is dipstick stupid.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 5:53:14 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Like Perry. He sounds better and better every day. But he’s fighting a big political establishment - the Bush/Romney/Christie Gang.


21 posted on 01/16/2012 5:53:46 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: JoeGar
An accurate contrast.

We can kill the Taliban, but we're not allowed to "hate" them.

You see it is OK to hate Chrisitians, Constitutionalists, and legitimate authority, but not ROP miscreants. The left wants our military to return home, so those funds can be retargeted at building Obama's National Security Force.

22 posted on 01/16/2012 6:00:57 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This should have been dealt with by the company commander and sergeant major and resulted in not much more than a hearty “don’t do that again, dumba**es!” and a few weeks KP.

The fact that idiots like McCain are turning this into a national political brouhaha is just a sad comment on our country today.


23 posted on 01/16/2012 6:03:18 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kakaze
Their only mistake, video.

Agreed. After everything our nation and military have had to endure fighting against those simian knuckledraggers, and somehow THIS is a cause for "outrage?" Sorry... doesn't pass the test.

24 posted on 01/16/2012 6:05:14 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: JoeGar
Bump!

"Urinate on a Crucifix, you're an "artist"
Urinate on The American Flag, you're a "Constitutionalist"
Urinate on a Police Car, you're a "Freedom Loving 99%er"
Urinate on the Taliban Piece Of Crap That Just Tried To Kill
You & Your Fellow Marines, you're a Villain."

25 posted on 01/16/2012 6:08:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: FreedomPoster
The fact that idiots like McCain are turning this into a national political brouhaha is just a sad comment on our country today.

Exactly. A local, one-time ass-chewing (more about being videoed than anything else) would've been sufficient. Unfortunately, in today's uber-PC world, nearly everything has to have national and international political consequences.

26 posted on 01/16/2012 6:09:10 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Venturer
If McCain thinks we are going to win the hearts and minds of anyone in Afghanistan he is a lunatic.

IMO, McCain has no credibility. Anyone who admonishes the public to "not fear an Obama Presidency" -- IN THE MIDDLE OF A CAMPAIGN -- doesn't deserve more than disdain.

27 posted on 01/16/2012 6:12:28 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: ZULU

Piss be upon them! LOL!


28 posted on 01/16/2012 6:19:07 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thank you, Gov. Perry.

War is hell. It should be. If the poor dead jackwagons don’t want to be pissed on, they can always leave the field of battle.

We should be ADVERTISING that if we kill you, we won’t respect you after you’re dead, either.


29 posted on 01/16/2012 6:19:11 AM PST by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: ZULU
Like Perry. He sounds better and better every day. But he’s fighting a big political establishment - the Bush/Romney/Christie Gang.

You got that right.

The Bush-Rove-GOP Establishment Machine are getting payback because Gov. Rick Perry wouldn't step aside in the name of "Party Politics," as he was told, in order for retiring Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (who had done her RINO duties well for so long in the U.S. Senate) could move back home and plant her RINO butt in the Texas Gov. seat with ease. Instead, Bush-Rove had to run ($$$) a primary challenge which they lost to Perry by 20pts (Perry brought in a GOP super majority in the general election).

Now Perry is being made an example of (Nicki Haley isn't going to fight for conservatism and incur their wrath). Isn't it interesting that Hutchison came out immediately after Perry announced his run for the GOP nomination to publicly state she could not endorse him because he did not have business experience (he's only the chief executive of the 13th largest economy and has been for over a decade) --- so she was signaling to those who know the drill -- get your heads straight and get with Romney -- or at least, don't endorse Perry if you want to get any party help.

30 posted on 01/16/2012 6:21:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"We're trying to win the hearts and minds" of the Afghanistan population, he said. "And when something like that comes up, it obviously harms that ability."

Good luck with that when the people that you're dealing withs idea of 'winning' is for you to be dead.

McCain is an idiot. You can't fight a dirty war from a moral high ground.

It's the same reason Establishment Republicans have been losing the political war at home for generations.

31 posted on 01/16/2012 6:21:55 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the law of Man)
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To: ScottinVA

Nothing to fear in an Obama presidency has also showed what an idiot he is and was.


32 posted on 01/16/2012 6:21:55 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bump for later reading.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 6:24:44 AM PST by voicereason (Dems, Pubbies...too often a one-sided coin.)
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To: MamaTexan

It’s reminds me of how we don’t see images of the 9-11 Towers much, but we get all wrapped up in arguing about the right for a “Mosque” to be built in the shadow of the hole left in ground where 2000 Americans were murdered.

Everything is turned on its head.


34 posted on 01/16/2012 6:28:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And she wore this without a slip to a memorial for dead soldiers! This woman may have an education, but; she has no class. She also missed charm school as she says BS instead of fantastic.


35 posted on 01/16/2012 6:29:53 AM PST by Lumper20
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To: Venturer
If McCain thinks we are going to win the hearts and minds of anyone in Afghanistan he is a lunatic.

Exactly. The Afghans are barbaric, illiterate, ignorant stone-age people. Even the ones supposedly "on our side" (a dubious term) aren't really much better than the Taliban. Any Afghan with the potential to effect real change in Afghanistan left Afghanistan a long time ago.

36 posted on 01/16/2012 6:32:03 AM PST by Drew68
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To: trebb

” John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who said the images could damage the war effort.”

Nonsense. These people already hate everything American and want us destroyed.
What hurts our war effort is our own Government not even be willing to use the term terrorists and not admitting that we ARE at war with islam..


37 posted on 01/16/2012 6:40:18 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Kakaze

I always have a problem with people who refer to our men and women in uniform as “kids.” They are men and women. Clearly, Perry is right on substance and these men should be left alone. It sickened me to hear Hillary Clinton (who, as we all know, wanted so much to join the army as a youth but bad eyesight kept her out of boot camp and the front lines) screeching about this fake atrocity.

I so wish they hadn’t videotaped the damn thing. And I wish they had heaved a whole bunch of bacon at them.


38 posted on 01/16/2012 6:41:40 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Sen. McCain,

You don’t go after their “hearts and minds” — all they understand is force.

This is exactly the opposite of winning their “hears and minds.”

It’s igniting their confidence that they can kill us.


39 posted on 01/16/2012 6:44:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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40 posted on 01/16/2012 6:47:12 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Venturer
If McCain thinks we are going to win the hearts and minds of anyone in Afghanistan he is a lunatic.

It's like using kind words on a rabid dog; it won't work. However, a large stick will.

41 posted on 01/16/2012 7:08:03 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
They should receive office hours. In today's military that would most likely end their careers.
Sorry, but an Article 15 (aka, office hours) wouldn't put a dent in a military career. If anything, it would be political correctness that did it.
Somehow, many good field Marines have Art 15 entries in their SRBs (page 12?), and I've known many with more than one.
The multiple offenders lost out on a Good Conduct medal and delayed promotions.
When it came time for me to re-up (1969), one of the "bennies" offered to me was to wipe clean my SRB entry on page 12.
42 posted on 01/16/2012 7:09:31 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kakaze

Once again, McCain is so wrong. McCain was a Naval Aviator. He has no idea of what it takes to be a Marine. We Marines are taught to kill or be killed. THAT is the ONLY ROE. If these Marines decide to p*ss on a dead enemy, so be it. I haven’t walked in their shoes; therefore, I will NOT condemn them.

Semper fi
Do or die


43 posted on 01/16/2012 7:47:53 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Post of the Week!

Leni

44 posted on 01/16/2012 7:54:17 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; mickie
Hey, Moochelle, nothing like flaunting your well-toned cleavage at a funeral service for America's dead war heroes.

You GO, girl.

Leni

45 posted on 01/16/2012 7:59:33 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry... this is exactly why you’re too stupid to be President. You understand nothing about the military... and you served!!!

You demean the MEN and their mission by calling them “kids.”

And when you try to excuse their actions by virtue of their being “kids,” you’re implying that you think they should be punished — except they’re just kids, so no, that excuses them.

These MEN — the best men in the United States — do not need you or any other slimy pol to either make excuses for them or persecute them for doing their jobs, you simpering, smarmy dolt.


46 posted on 01/16/2012 8:36:36 AM PST by Blue Ink
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To: JoeGar
Urinate on the Taliban Piece Of Crap That Just Tried To Kill You & Your Fellow Marines, you're a Marine.

VIDEOTAPE yourself doing it, and you're an idiot.

47 posted on 01/16/2012 8:50:18 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: oh8eleven
"Sorry, but an Article 15 (aka, office hours) wouldn't put a dent in a military career."

You speak of the Marine Corps that you and I belonged to. That Marine Corps is gone. You have a large surplus of people trying to get in, couple that with the fact that the Marine Corps has to get down to 176,000 (or so) and in today's Marine Corps (and military in general), they are looking for reasons to force people out who want to stay in. Look at the new policy concerning tatoos. What does a tatoo on your forearm have to do with whether you are a good Marine or not? Answer, it doesn't. It's just another way to make the decision easier to force out well qualified Marines because of government mandated force reductions.
48 posted on 01/16/2012 9:40:11 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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49 posted on 01/16/2012 10:06:08 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
That Marine Corps is gone.
It may have changed/morphed some, but I'll bet it would still be recognizable to old farts like us.
I went back to Lejeune in 2005 and except for the addition of a couple of fast food joints, it was essentially the same place as 1969.
With regard to forcing Marines out to help get down to 176,000, I found this in the Marine Corps Times (Feb 2009)... So it appears the Corps had been growing for at least two years ... which doesn't mean the "grow" order hasn't been superceded by a "shrink" order.
50 posted on 01/16/2012 10:18:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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