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N. Korea: No Electricity, No Water, No Patience (cold,thirsty,hungry in Pyongyang)
Daily NK ^ | 01/13/12 | Choi Song Min

Posted on 01/16/2012 8:37:12 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

No Electricity, No Water, No Patience

By Choi Song Min

[2012-01-13 18:01 ]

Many of the residents of luxury apartments in Pyongyang are leaving their homes for the heated homes of relatives or other warmer locations.

An inside source who visited Pyongyang at the end of last month said in a phone interview with the Daily NK today, “People previously had no supplies of water so didn't have drinking water and could not go to the bathroom without difficulty, but now that there are heating problems too the people are inevitably leaving their homes. This year, many people are locking their homes and leaving for warmer places.”

The source said, “When I went to Pyongyang just three years ago, the people still stayed in their apartments even without heat, but now half of them are gone, they went to East Pyongyang where the pre-1980s homes are heated with charcoal briquettes.”

The source added, “Even until last year, the residents in these apartments spent the whole winter season there with cotton blankets on the floor all day long, filling pint bottles with hot water to warm their blankets when they slept; however, as the situation has gotten worse this year whole families cannot take any more and have chosen to leave their homes behind.”

The 20-40 storey apartments on Gwangbok and Tongil Streets, which are boasted of by the North Korean authorities for their modernity, are among those falling into dilapidation.

The source explained, “If the rooms had just enough lukewarm water that they wouldn't freeze we could live, but now they are not even able to do that. Nobody knows when heat will come.”

Among many North Korean people, the situation is such that the letter ‘ㄹ’ has come to be ridiculed, with people saying that they suffer from a particular lack of words that have the letter ‘ㄹ’ in them, for example, water (‘물’), fire/electric (‘불’), and rice (‘쌀’).


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nkorea; northkorea; power; pyongyang; water
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1 posted on 01/16/2012 8:37:16 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


2 posted on 01/16/2012 8:38:27 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Communism’s inevitable outcome.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 8:39:29 AM PST by Bobalu (Newt is just the a-hole we need at a time like this)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Anyone who thinks that, if conditions get bad enough, the people will rise up against the oppressive state, take a look at North Korea. Its scary that things can be this bad and people either are brainwashed to accept it or are beaten into submission and too scared or weak to fight back. It is why we must be vigilent against the expansion of the state. The statists always couch their power grabs as helping the people — like the BS about Obamacare insuring millions who were going bankrupt trying to pay for care. The people put their immediate comforts ahead of their long term independence like the frog in the boiling water. The heat gets turned up gradually and they don’t realize it until it is too late.


4 posted on 01/16/2012 8:41:45 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A nighttime satelite image shows NK 99% in the dark.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 8:42:12 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"...and could not go to the bathroom without difficulty...."

Is that also because eating grass and tree-bark are very "binding?"

6 posted on 01/16/2012 8:42:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“No phone, no lights, no motorcar - not a single luxury... like Robinson Crusoe, it’s primitive as can be”


7 posted on 01/16/2012 8:43:28 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And yet, liberals think this is the way a country should be run.


8 posted on 01/16/2012 8:43:30 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

perhaps I am being callous, but if you want to see regime change, send in the growlers, blank out the radar, then send in the b52’s, open bombay doors over every major city, and drop tens of thousands of MRE’s attached to small parachutes... the riots that occur will lead to regime change..


9 posted on 01/16/2012 8:50:52 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: sima_yi

“And yet, liberals think this is the way a country should be run.”

You left out the fine print; “For everyone but themselves.”


10 posted on 01/16/2012 8:53:25 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I read an article last month on the North Korean Economy Watch blog that stated that before Kim Jong Il died he had sold nearly all of its coal production to China for hard currency. The North Korean Economy story stated that their would be electrical outages and further food shortages as a result. I do not know how reliable this blog is but your news story seems to confirm the lack of coal for heating.
11 posted on 01/16/2012 8:54:09 AM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

When your entire life is dedicated to survival at its most basic level, politics becomes a luxury.

This is how power is retained; the masses are kept cold, hungry, and desperate.

Which is why we need to restore our country to what the founders had in mind while we’re still well fed and able bodied.


12 posted on 01/16/2012 8:55:13 AM PST by Tigerized (Occupy Wall Street? Go find the real culprits in the Capitol Building...)
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To: HOYA97

I predict before too long China will move in and occupy North Korea, perhaps even with South Korea’s blessing.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 8:55:30 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: joe fonebone

The North Koreans are a pathetic wasted people, made that way by a most criminal and paranoid government. If we did drop food, the state would convince the people that it was poisoned and/or anyone that consumed it would be sent to a concentration camp. Government generated fear and ignorance are the bindings that hold the country together.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 9:01:20 AM PST by oyez
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Pictures of the starving North Koreans are never shown. They say they are starving and then the US and South Korean governments start sending food staples for the North Korean military to distribute.


15 posted on 01/16/2012 9:02:18 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: TexasCajun
A nighttime satelite image shows NK 99% in the dark.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 9:05:21 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Tigerized

There was one “no” left out of the title -

no recourse.

The people have no way of changing their situation.
Those in power intentionally keep the people too weak to revolt.

Like you said, we need to keep this condition in mind before it happens here.


17 posted on 01/16/2012 9:06:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

...“He stepped to the window and pointed to the skyscrapers of the city. He said that we had to extinguish the lights of the world, and when we would see the lights of New York go out, we would know that our job was done. ” .......John Galt..........


18 posted on 01/16/2012 9:08:01 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Off-topic, but a truly amusing MBC clip (translated by somebody else) featuring footage of a Chinese tour guide's commentary about South Korea to a bunch of Chinese tourists he's shepherding through Seoul:

http://tvpot.daum.net/v/38743493?lu=flvPlayer_in

“In Korea, Dec 24 and 25 are holidays. It’s influenced by the West. Korea is America’s colony”.

“The subway line 1, the tunnel was dug and built by China. North Korea also learned from our Chinese technology and they were able to dig their tunnels”.

“If you speak Chinese on the streets, the Koreans will look at you with envy. It wasn’t like this 15 years ago.”

“Namdaemun was burnt down, so Dongdaemun became Korea’s treasure #1″.

“In Korean dramas, you may have thought Korean women are really beautiful. Now that you are here to see for yourselves, you can see they are really ugly.”

“In Korea, the government tells the travel agencies which hotels and restaurants to take the tourists. We cannot freely choose where to take our guests”.


19 posted on 01/16/2012 9:09:22 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: dfwgator

I rather doubt it - the Chinese do not want it.

Nor does South Korea.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 9:09:30 AM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: joe fonebone

...then send in the b52’s, open bombay doors over every major city, and drop tens of thousands ofAK-47’s attached to small parachutes... the riots that occur will lead to regime change..

There, fixed it.........


21 posted on 01/16/2012 9:10:20 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Right, we’ll we have the “Great Society”, government union employment debacles and theft of public funds and you don’t even see our so called free people do much about it.

Sad!


22 posted on 01/16/2012 9:11:06 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Tigerized
When your entire life is dedicated to survival at its most basic level, politics becomes a luxury.

An accurate observation, as I sit here at my comp in relative luxury with my belly full and the room temp at 70 degrees F., reading about the plight of the Norks. I think of your statement when I read someone wondering why they don't just "rise up" and throw off the shackles of the dictatorship.

They are hungry, cold and unarmed, it's difficult to overcome an oppressive political system when you are in that condition constantly. I believe the situation is permanent, they will always be cold, hungry and unarmed. It's depressing to know that there are human beings in that situation.

23 posted on 01/16/2012 9:12:01 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
No Electricity, No Water, No Patience

Libtards are blind to the logical end result of their policies of statism and socialism

24 posted on 01/16/2012 9:12:50 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: TigerLikesRooster
N. Korea: No Electricity, No Water, No Patience (cold,thirsty,hungry in Pyongyang)

But they've got Fat Boy and who could really want anything more?
25 posted on 01/16/2012 9:14:10 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Red Badger
It has worked before, with these:

Liberator Pistol

26 posted on 01/16/2012 9:14:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CrazyIvan

Actually, they envision themselves as the rulers.


27 posted on 01/16/2012 9:18:07 AM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: patton

If China fears masses of refugees pouring over their border, they will take action.


28 posted on 01/16/2012 9:20:02 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If Obama gets re-elected that title could be his in 2016, except will have tons of patience waiting in line at Hospitals with Obamacare...


29 posted on 01/16/2012 9:22:36 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Pyongyang has LUXURY APARTMENTS? Gee, I thought everyone was equal there. < /sarc >


30 posted on 01/16/2012 9:24:17 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: dfwgator

They already are - they push them back to North Korea.

China DOES NOT need more people, and the land in North Korea is too poor to support the people already there.

So China sees it as a useless money pit.


31 posted on 01/16/2012 9:24:47 AM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Obviously things are desperate if the elite in Pyongyang can't get heat and water. It should be obvious to anyone that this is an untenable situation that could and should collapse at any time.

However, I'm sure our President and State Department, in conjunction with China, the UN, and other international organizations, will rush in to try and make the untenable tenable for just a little while longer.

32 posted on 01/16/2012 9:25:37 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

The Norks are going to do what they’ve done before - nuclear blackmail.

They’ll make some threat/promise, and we’ll give them a bunch of “aid” so that they’ll back off using/developing nukes.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 9:29:35 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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34 posted on 01/16/2012 10:05:37 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Thanks for the pic. ...pretty amazing.


35 posted on 01/16/2012 10:12:43 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Red Badger

Or... Thousands of solar powered short-wave/AM/FM radios attached to small helium ballons. This would allow the North Korean population to really hear what is going on in the world, and quite possibly realize that they’re being lied to.


36 posted on 01/16/2012 10:12:56 AM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Graybeard58

For the North Korean Communist Party, the ordinary North Korean is a prole - a something that has value only as long as it stays in line and produces with unthinking obedience whatever it is that the state and party want from it.

The only way the people will be free is for the party to make a strategic mistake and it collapses from outside pressure. War comes most readily to mind in causing such a collapse because it would be a direct assault on the power structure. But being systematically starved of the resources needed to run the state, if carried on for a long enough period, would work too. The question is would the Russians and especially the Chinese cooperate in doing the deed? Whether by war, starvation, freezing, disease, or abuse, many more millions of North Koreans are going to have to die before the regime’s grip on them will be fatally weakened.

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”

Inner Party Member O’Brien to Prisoner Winston Smith —Part III, Chapter III, Nineteen Eighty-Four (by George Orwell)


37 posted on 01/16/2012 10:12:56 AM PST by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ain’t communism great! And Washington has the pedal to the metal trying to get there.


38 posted on 01/16/2012 10:19:34 AM PST by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: dfwgator
“No phone, no lights, no motorcar - not a single luxury... like Robinson Crusoe, it’s primitive as can be”

We been spendin' most our lives Livin' in a Commie paradise...

39 posted on 01/16/2012 10:31:58 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Many things that are rare now were merely unpopular back then.)
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To: patton

The land of North Korea is not poor. It has high potential for agriculture and natural resources.

Its very poorly managed. Troops take a significant amount of the food that is produced.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 10:33:58 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TexasCajun
Thanks for the pic.pretty amazing

Check out the island to the right (west) of S Korea. It's the island of Ullong-do. It's just as, if not better lit than Pyongyang. That little black dot in the middle is a volcano.

41 posted on 01/16/2012 10:35:12 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: patton

*sigh*.

One, China does need people.

Two, North Korea is really not poor land. They are poor because Kim is a moron.


42 posted on 01/16/2012 10:41:16 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Post of the day.


43 posted on 01/16/2012 10:42:43 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Third verse same as the first (and second), A little bit poorer and a whole lot worse.


44 posted on 01/16/2012 11:25:05 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Traveler59

I’m pretty sure they know it already.
But they do not have any means to rectify the situation............


45 posted on 01/16/2012 11:31:49 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Smart move: leave the only place in the country with electricity for the bleak, primitive countryside.

IMO, we should have scuttled our USS Pueblo as soon as our troops were home -- using our largest thermonuclear device centered on Pyongyang.

46 posted on 01/16/2012 11:52:11 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I went to Panmunjom in like early December. It was bone chilling cold and that is about as far south as you can go and still be in N. Korea.


47 posted on 01/16/2012 12:02:20 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: BenKenobi

“China does need people...”

Huh?

Population:

1,336,718,015 (July 2011 est.)
country comparison to the world: 1

Age structure:

0-14 years: 17.6% (male 126,634,384/female 108,463,142)

15-64 years: 73.6% (male 505,326,577/female 477,953,883)

65 years and over: 8.9% (male 56,823,028/female 61,517,001) (2011 est.)

Median age:

total: 35.5 years

male: 34.9 years

female: 36.2 years (2011 est.)

Population growth rate:

0.493% (2011 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151


48 posted on 01/16/2012 12:33:22 PM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: driftdiver; BenKenobi

As to the land being poor, it looks like G_D’s frozen rock garden to me.

But I will take your (You, both) word for it.

Certainly it is mismanaged. I almost seems deliberate.


49 posted on 01/16/2012 12:40:52 PM PST by patton ("Je pense donc je suis," - My Horse.)
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To: patton

China:

0-14 years: 17.6% (male 126,634,384/female 108,463,142)

US:

0-14 years: 20.1% (male 32,107,900/female 30,781,823

male: 35.6 years
female: 38.2 years

China’s just a half a year behind the US in average male age. They may already be older.

China needs people. Did you look at the TFR and the birthrate? 1.54 children per women.

All of North Korea is 24 million people. Even if China took all of them, they wouldn’t be able to even touch their manpower issues. We’re looking at a shortfall of roughly 300 million people.


50 posted on 01/16/2012 1:02:31 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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