Skip to comments.Forget women and children first. Burly crew men led the race for the lifeboats (Wages of Feminism)
Posted on 01/16/2012 9:06:35 AM PST by C19fan
t was every man and crew member for himself. Survivors from the Costa Concordia spoke angrily yesterday of the nightmare evacuation from the stricken ship as women and children were left behind. In the terrifying moments after the giant vessel began to list, fights even broke out to get into the lifeboats. Men refused to prioritise women, expectant mothers and children as they pushed themselves forward to escape. Crew ignored their passengers leaving chefs and waiters to help out.
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Color me somewhat skeptical here as this seems an almost unbelievable breakdown in discipline. If it turns out to be true, then the Officers should be prosecuted.
Kinda reminds me of the “fire” scene with George Castanza in Seinfeld (where he pushes the old woman in the walker down to get out the door).
The “George Costanza Theory”. The men don’t leave first, they “lead the way”.
itallian cruise ships never had a “women and children” rule.
(then again the titanic had that rule and as a result people died with empty lifeboats floating in the ocean.
These days, a lot of crew members are recruited from Third World countries where Western notions are not accepted, because they are cheap to hire. They are even less likely to give a damn about Western women and children.
Captin left the ship early in the evacuation leaving many passengers and officers still aboard.
I understand there being confusion in getting off the ship, but having done so, couldn’t people swim? It looks like they were just yards from land.
At a news conference today, Costa Cruises Chief Executive Officer Pier Luigi Foschi said the ship’s captain, Francesco Schettino, made an unapproved, unauthorized maneuver to change the ship’s programmed course. Italian media has reported that Schettino was close to the shore in order to wave to a friend who was on land.
With the riff raff and ne’er do wells who usually populate modern cruise ships as employees, is anyone surprised that this is how they reacted?
Sounds like a general Lord of the Flies situation, with old and young people being pushed aside and crew members abandoning their responsibilities.
I therefore wouldn’t chalk it up to feminism so much as a general, modern, ‘me-firstism’. But hey, if you never wanted to see women get equal pay for equal work or equal hiring opportunities, I can understand the impulse to see it through that lens.
I don’t get the tie to feminism. Clearly male passengers were left behind as well. All of them.
I’m sort of fond of books about shipwrecks and the such, and based on those I would say that the only time the “women and children first” rule is followed in the real world is when the officers enforce it with weapons. There was one exception....I can’t quite remember...something about a company of British soldiers who stood in formation until the others were gone. I’ll see if I can find it.
At a news conference in Genoa, the head of Costa Cruises, a unit of Carnival Corp, rejected suggestions that the sheer size of the cruise ship had made it impossible to evacuate the more than 4,000 people onboard safely.
It seems Italian men are only good for loving. LOL
There were a lot of elderly people aboard who probably couldn’t have swum very far if at all.
And even jumping into the water would have injured or concussed many, leading tom possible drowning, thats a long jump.
Just getting off the ship would have been a problem - the ship apparently heeled over too much for some people who were in interior spaces/staterooms to get up the hallways - the elderly, etc.
You mean, 'It seems Italian men are only good for loving EACH OTHER.'
Some people did swim to shore.
HMS Birkenhead -
See - “The Birkenhead Drill”
That was easy....HMS Birkenhead....
It was night time - too dark for anyone to see if any land was nearby. Fortunately some passengers jumped and got to land anyway.
Like my mamma told me... be careful what you ask for, ‘cuz you might just get it...
I have a funny one to relay to my FRiends.
The other day we had my libinlaw over for supper, and my daughter asked me to push her chair in for her. Her liberal Gran started to reach over to do so, and my daughter objected and said “the gentleman should do it, Gran”... :)
The funny thing was, though “gran” objected to the “sexism” of the situation, I could tell she actually approved.
First I’m hearing of this whole thing.
Somebody catch me up...
Looks like the ship is laying in on the rocks in shallow water.
Looks like you could climb to the port side and sit there. Or, if fit enough, jump off the starboard side and walk ashore.
What am I missing?
Excellent response! Thank you for that.
Yes, thanks...I found it as well but what a great story!
Never go for a cruise on Friday the 13th.
That was my first thought too. Obviously it could be deceiving, but the first shots I saw, they were certainly no more than 1/4 mile.
Screenplay being written in 3, 2, 1...and you can bet your tail that the most EVIL, INCONSIDERATE of the men will be the richest ones. If there are any CEOs, they'll be the ones throwing women and children overboard.
Old, disabled, kids, non-swimmers, people who panic - most couldn’t swim the 200-odd yards of COLD water. Even if they could stay afloat hypothermia would get them in minutes.
HMS Birkenhead. She was a troopship. She struck a rock off South Africa, and sank. Women and children were put aboard the utterly inadequate number of lifeboats; the men stood at attention, in ranks, and went down with the ship.
“itallian cruise ships never had a women and children rule.”
Good point. No doubt everyone here is going to weigh this against some romantic footage from one of the Titanic flicks, withouth bothering to consider the reality of it.
The bulk of the “crew” on a cruise ship is comprised of hotel workers. These are not sailors in any sense of the word. In many cases, they are inexpensive 3rd worlders, happy to have the job and live in the conditions they live in.
They clean your toilets, wash your laundry, listen to your complaints. And then one day catastrophe. And now they’re supposed to die in your place too?
I’m betting that’s the point at which they decide to exercise their right to quit that job.
The first shots I saw were at night, and indeed it was much farther out, although still within swimming distance (for those who could swim). Not sure if they tugged it toward the shore after it tipped, or what.
Oh, please. This kind of this has happened before feminism, and has little to do with it. Louts have always been with us and will no doubt continue to be.
Think of a multistory building moving around leaning far over to its side while 4,000 people try to get out in the dark.
It wasn't sitting still and the panic would be immense.
Nice, huh? I guess if that's the trade-off, I'll take it. I like my equal pay, and if there's ever a crisis, I'll find my own boat, thank you very much.
Wouldn't they have been acting as "sexist male chauvinist pigs" had they done so?
Heh heh heh. Great story.
Given that 95% got into a lifeboat and how fast it happened, it actually sounds better than it could have been.
- 9:30 pm: The ship strikes an outcropping some 300 metres (1,000 feet) from Giglio Island, according to experts.
- 9:35 pm: The electricity goes off. Many passengers begin to panic.
- 9:45 pm: A first alarm is sounded: two long whistles and one short, informing the crew of a problem.
- 9:50 pm: The ship begins to list. In the restaurants, dinnerware falls off the tables. Some passengers rush to their cabins for their life vests.
- 10:00 pm: Some passengers begin gathering on the fourth deck where the lifeboats are located, as the captain tries to manoeuvre the vessel closer to shore.
- 10:10 pm: The abandon ship signal is given: seven short whistles and one long. Lifeboats begin their deployment.
- 10:20 pm: The coastguard launches rescue operations with the help of speedboats and helicopters. Giglios 800-strong population turns out in force to help transfer passengers to shore.
Many passengers jump into the chilly waters instead of boarding lifeboats. Around 40 are injured, two seriously.
- 11:15 pm: The first lifeboat reaches Giglio. In all, some 4,000 of the ships 4,229 make it to safety aboard a lifeboat.
Point taken, but HOW cold is it? I realize it's winter, but it's the Mediterranean, not the North Atlantic. I wonder how much difference there is?
The Captain and Mate have been arrested and, I believe, charge with manslaughter. Both abandoned ship leaving passengers and crew behind. This is all over the sailing and maritime boards.
On the Central America (see Ship of Gold) the male passengers wouldn’t even let the women bail at first.
Lawyers are going to make a ton of money on this disaster.
Costa will be out of business shortly.
The ship had multiple waterproof compartments breached. Possibly/probably more than would allow it to continue afloat. The captain (probably crew) would have one choice, ground the ship to prevent sinking.
the ship was grounded, with people on board having no idea where they were or close to shore or what was going on. All the while the ship was tilting.
Also remember lifeboats are also those inflating types. Those barrels on the side launch out and inflate into boats.
once the ship “grounded” those that realized the ship was not moving any more could sit and wait. IF you could figure this out.
In the meantime the crew, probably has a few unreported dead, and passengers are limited in their recourses. There is a ONE YEAR statute of limitations, no right to jury trial b/c of the ticket waiver, probably a binding arbitration clause, AND the crew has to have their case in their home treaty nations.
Costa cruise line is always suspect even if it is a subdivision of carnival.
The reason lifeboats left empty was because the ship sank so slowly and in such gentle seas that passengers were extremely reluctant to leave the apparently safe ship for the tiny life boat. The ship had been billed as unsinkable and she almost was. If five water tight compartments had been breached she would have made New York, or at least Halifax. In the event, the iceberg breached six.
Some passengers braved the water, with a temperature of about 57 degrees, and swam to safety. Others had no choice, as they fell into the chilly water. Nighttime temperatures on Giglio have recently dipped below freezing.
If they had hit the iceberg head on, the ship would have stayed afloat.
Many probably could swim -- given the right conditions, attire, and preparedness. Bobbing in the water, at night while dressed for dinner, I'm not sure.
I did the full clothing swim test at USAFA years ago. I would not want to try it now.
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