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Forget women and children first. Burly crew men led the race for the lifeboats (Wages of Feminism)
UK Daily Mail ^ | January 16, 2012 | Nick Fagge, Emily Andrews, John Stevens

Posted on 01/16/2012 9:06:35 AM PST by C19fan

t was every man – and crew member – for himself. Survivors from the Costa Concordia spoke angrily yesterday of the nightmare evacuation from the stricken ship as women and children were left behind. In the terrifying moments after the giant vessel began to list, fights even broke out to get into the lifeboats. Men refused to prioritise women, expectant mothers and children as they pushed themselves forward to escape. Crew ignored their passengers – leaving ‘chefs and waiters’ to help out.

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KEYWORDS: badcrew; concordia; genderwars; psychology; rescue; shipwreck
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If feminism means women are as strong as men and don't need help from men then what is the big deal if the men looked out for themselves. Come on. Men prioritizing women is so sexist and Victorian (in a bad way).
1 posted on 01/16/2012 9:06:46 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Color me somewhat skeptical here as this seems an almost unbelievable breakdown in discipline. If it turns out to be true, then the Officers should be prosecuted.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 9:10:26 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

Kinda reminds me of the “fire” scene with George Castanza in Seinfeld (where he pushes the old woman in the walker down to get out the door).


3 posted on 01/16/2012 9:13:00 AM PST by rbg81
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To: C19fan

The “George Costanza Theory”. The men don’t leave first, they “lead the way”.


4 posted on 01/16/2012 9:13:32 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: C19fan

itallian cruise ships never had a “women and children” rule.

(then again the titanic had that rule and as a result people died with empty lifeboats floating in the ocean.


5 posted on 01/16/2012 9:14:34 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: C19fan

These days, a lot of crew members are recruited from Third World countries where Western notions are not accepted, because they are cheap to hire. They are even less likely to give a damn about Western women and children.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 9:16:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: rbg81

Captin left the ship early in the evacuation leaving many passengers and officers still aboard.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086928/Costa-Concordia-Sinking-cruise-ship-survivors-nightmare-scenes.html


7 posted on 01/16/2012 9:18:42 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan

I understand there being confusion in getting off the ship, but having done so, couldn’t people swim? It looks like they were just yards from land.


8 posted on 01/16/2012 9:19:06 AM PST by Tax-chick (Be the one who gets it done (instead of a useless drone)!)
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To: C19fan

At a news conference today, Costa Cruises Chief Executive Officer Pier Luigi Foschi said the ship’s captain, Francesco Schettino, made an unapproved, unauthorized maneuver to change the ship’s programmed course. Italian media has reported that Schettino was close to the shore in order to wave to a friend who was on land.

http://news.yahoo.com/italian-cruise-ship-sinking-search-suspended-captain-questioned-122427928—abc-news.html


9 posted on 01/16/2012 9:21:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan

With the riff raff and ne’er do wells who usually populate modern cruise ships as employees, is anyone surprised that this is how they reacted?


10 posted on 01/16/2012 9:21:08 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: C19fan

Sounds like a general Lord of the Flies situation, with old and young people being pushed aside and crew members abandoning their responsibilities.

I therefore wouldn’t chalk it up to feminism so much as a general, modern, ‘me-firstism’. But hey, if you never wanted to see women get equal pay for equal work or equal hiring opportunities, I can understand the impulse to see it through that lens.


11 posted on 01/16/2012 9:22:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: C19fan

I don’t get the tie to feminism. Clearly male passengers were left behind as well. All of them.


12 posted on 01/16/2012 9:25:31 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: C19fan

I’m sort of fond of books about shipwrecks and the such, and based on those I would say that the only time the “women and children first” rule is followed in the real world is when the officers enforce it with weapons. There was one exception....I can’t quite remember...something about a company of British soldiers who stood in formation until the others were gone. I’ll see if I can find it.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 9:26:11 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Tax-chick

At a news conference in Genoa, the head of Costa Cruises, a unit of Carnival Corp, rejected suggestions that the sheer size of the cruise ship had made it impossible to evacuate the more than 4,000 people onboard safely.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/costa-cruises-blames-captain-for-ship-disaster-2012-01-16-1.437951

14 posted on 01/16/2012 9:26:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: C19fan

It seems Italian men are only good for loving. LOL


15 posted on 01/16/2012 9:27:00 AM PST by angcat (NEW YORK YANKEES!)
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To: Tax-chick

There were a lot of elderly people aboard who probably couldn’t have swum very far if at all.

And even jumping into the water would have injured or concussed many, leading tom possible drowning, thats a long jump.

Just getting off the ship would have been a problem - the ship apparently heeled over too much for some people who were in interior spaces/staterooms to get up the hallways - the elderly, etc.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 9:27:00 AM PST by buwaya
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To: angcat
It seems Italian men are only good for loving. LOL

You mean, 'It seems Italian men are only good for loving EACH OTHER.'

17 posted on 01/16/2012 9:28:22 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Tax-chick

Some people did swim to shore.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2012/01/15/calgary-couple-cruise-ship-capsized-italy.html?cmp=googleeditorspick


18 posted on 01/16/2012 9:29:07 AM PST by Atlantan
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To: JoeDetweiler

HMS Birkenhead -

See - “The Birkenhead Drill”


19 posted on 01/16/2012 9:29:25 AM PST by buwaya
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To: JoeDetweiler

That was easy....HMS Birkenhead....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Birkenhead_(1845)


20 posted on 01/16/2012 9:29:50 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Tax-chick

It was night time - too dark for anyone to see if any land was nearby. Fortunately some passengers jumped and got to land anyway.


21 posted on 01/16/2012 9:30:22 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: C19fan

Like my mamma told me... be careful what you ask for, ‘cuz you might just get it...


22 posted on 01/16/2012 9:31:57 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: C19fan

I have a funny one to relay to my FRiends.
The other day we had my libinlaw over for supper, and my daughter asked me to push her chair in for her. Her liberal Gran started to reach over to do so, and my daughter objected and said “the gentleman should do it, Gran”... :)

The funny thing was, though “gran” objected to the “sexism” of the situation, I could tell she actually approved.


23 posted on 01/16/2012 9:33:30 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan

First I’m hearing of this whole thing.

Somebody catch me up...

Looks like the ship is laying in on the rocks in shallow water.

Lifeboats?

Looks like you could climb to the port side and sit there. Or, if fit enough, jump off the starboard side and walk ashore.

What am I missing?


24 posted on 01/16/2012 9:33:59 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: 9YearLurker

Excellent response! Thank you for that.


25 posted on 01/16/2012 9:34:49 AM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: dfwgator

LOL


26 posted on 01/16/2012 9:35:12 AM PST by angcat (NEW YORK YANKEES!)
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To: buwaya

Yes, thanks...I found it as well but what a great story!


27 posted on 01/16/2012 9:35:30 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: C19fan

Never go for a cruise on Friday the 13th.


28 posted on 01/16/2012 9:35:35 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Italian sailors jumping ship?? Who knew?)
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To: Tax-chick
"...couldn’t people swim? It looks like they were just yards from land."

That was my first thought too. Obviously it could be deceiving, but the first shots I saw, they were certainly no more than 1/4 mile.

Screenplay being written in 3, 2, 1...and you can bet your tail that the most EVIL, INCONSIDERATE of the men will be the richest ones. If there are any CEOs, they'll be the ones throwing women and children overboard.

29 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:07 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pessimist

Old, disabled, kids, non-swimmers, people who panic - most couldn’t swim the 200-odd yards of COLD water. Even if they could stay afloat hypothermia would get them in minutes.


30 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:07 AM PST by buwaya
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To: JoeDetweiler
a company of British soldiers who stood in formation until the others were gone.

HMS Birkenhead. She was a troopship. She struck a rock off South Africa, and sank. Women and children were put aboard the utterly inadequate number of lifeboats; the men stood at attention, in ranks, and went down with the ship.

To take your chance in the thick of a rush, with firing all about,
Is nothing so bad when you've cover to 'and, an' leave an' likin' to shout;
But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill is a damn tough bullet to chew,
An' they done it, the Jollies -- 'Er Majesty's Jollies -- soldier an' sailor too!

-Rudyard Kipling

31 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:26 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: longtermmemmory

“itallian cruise ships never had a “women and children” rule.”

Good point. No doubt everyone here is going to weigh this against some romantic footage from one of the Titanic flicks, withouth bothering to consider the reality of it.

The bulk of the “crew” on a cruise ship is comprised of hotel workers. These are not sailors in any sense of the word. In many cases, they are inexpensive 3rd worlders, happy to have the job and live in the conditions they live in.

They clean your toilets, wash your laundry, listen to your complaints. And then one day catastrophe. And now they’re supposed to die in your place too?

I’m betting that’s the point at which they decide to exercise their right to quit that job.


32 posted on 01/16/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

The first shots I saw were at night, and indeed it was much farther out, although still within swimming distance (for those who could swim). Not sure if they tugged it toward the shore after it tipped, or what.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 9:46:07 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: C19fan

Oh, please. This kind of this has happened before feminism, and has little to do with it. Louts have always been with us and will no doubt continue to be.


34 posted on 01/16/2012 9:46:18 AM PST by SuzyQue (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Pessimist
What am I missing?

Think of a multistory building moving around leaning far over to its side while 4,000 people try to get out in the dark.

It wasn't sitting still and the panic would be immense.

35 posted on 01/16/2012 9:46:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: 9YearLurker
But hey, if you never wanted to see women get equal pay for equal work or equal hiring opportunities, I can understand the impulse to see it through that lens.

Nice, huh? I guess if that's the trade-off, I'll take it. I like my equal pay, and if there's ever a crisis, I'll find my own boat, thank you very much.

36 posted on 01/16/2012 9:48:29 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: C19fan
Men refused to prioritize women...

Wouldn't they have been acting as "sexist male chauvinist pigs" had they done so?

37 posted on 01/16/2012 9:48:48 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: MrB

Heh heh heh. Great story.


38 posted on 01/16/2012 9:50:32 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: rbg81
. . .then the Officers should be prosecuted.

Well, the captain has been arrested for manslaughter.
39 posted on 01/16/2012 9:50:32 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Pessimist

Given that 95% got into a lifeboat and how fast it happened, it actually sounds better than it could have been.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/15/timeline-the-costa-concordias-last-minutes/

- 9:30 pm: The ship strikes an outcropping some 300 metres (1,000 feet) from Giglio Island, according to experts.

- 9:35 pm: The electricity goes off. Many passengers begin to panic.

- 9:45 pm: A first alarm is sounded: two long whistles and one short, informing the crew of a problem.

- 9:50 pm: The ship begins to list. In the restaurants, dinnerware falls off the tables. Some passengers rush to their cabins for their life vests.

- 10:00 pm: Some passengers begin gathering on the fourth deck where the lifeboats are located, as the captain tries to manoeuvre the vessel closer to shore.

- 10:10 pm: The “abandon ship” signal is given: seven short whistles and one long. Lifeboats begin their deployment.

- 10:20 pm: The coastguard launches rescue operations with the help of speedboats and helicopters. Giglio’s 800-strong population turns out in force to help transfer passengers to shore.
Many passengers jump into the chilly waters instead of boarding lifeboats. Around 40 are injured, two seriously.

- 11:15 pm: The first lifeboat reaches Giglio. In all, some 4,000 of the ship’s 4,229 make it to safety aboard a lifeboat.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 9:52:28 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: buwaya
"...most couldn’t swim the 200-odd yards of COLD water."

Point taken, but HOW cold is it? I realize it's winter, but it's the Mediterranean, not the North Atlantic. I wonder how much difference there is?

41 posted on 01/16/2012 9:53:19 AM PST by Mich Patriot (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Ronald Reagan)
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To: rbg81

The Captain and Mate have been arrested and, I believe, charge with manslaughter. Both abandoned ship leaving passengers and crew behind. This is all over the sailing and maritime boards.


42 posted on 01/16/2012 9:56:04 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

On the Central America (see Ship of Gold) the male passengers wouldn’t even let the women bail at first.


43 posted on 01/16/2012 9:56:32 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: C19fan

Lawyers are going to make a ton of money on this disaster.

Costa will be out of business shortly.


44 posted on 01/16/2012 9:57:57 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: thackney
Capt[a]in left the ship early in the evacuation...


45 posted on 01/16/2012 9:57:58 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: All

The ship had multiple waterproof compartments breached. Possibly/probably more than would allow it to continue afloat. The captain (probably crew) would have one choice, ground the ship to prevent sinking.

the ship was grounded, with people on board having no idea where they were or close to shore or what was going on. All the while the ship was tilting.

Also remember lifeboats are also those inflating types. Those barrels on the side launch out and inflate into boats.

once the ship “grounded” those that realized the ship was not moving any more could sit and wait. IF you could figure this out.

In the meantime the crew, probably has a few unreported dead, and passengers are limited in their recourses. There is a ONE YEAR statute of limitations, no right to jury trial b/c of the ticket waiver, probably a binding arbitration clause, AND the crew has to have their case in their home treaty nations.

Costa cruise line is always suspect even if it is a subdivision of carnival.


46 posted on 01/16/2012 9:59:12 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
then again the titanic had that rule and as a result people died with empty lifeboats floating in the ocean.

The reason lifeboats left empty was because the ship sank so slowly and in such gentle seas that passengers were extremely reluctant to leave the apparently safe ship for the tiny life boat. The ship had been billed as unsinkable and she almost was. If five water tight compartments had been breached she would have made New York, or at least Halifax. In the event, the iceberg breached six.

47 posted on 01/16/2012 10:00:43 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Mich Patriot

Some passengers braved the water, with a temperature of about 57 degrees, and swam to safety. Others had no choice, as they fell into the chilly water. Nighttime temperatures on Giglio have recently dipped below freezing.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/16/world/europe/italy-ship-scene/?hpt=wo_c1


48 posted on 01/16/2012 10:01:39 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

If they had hit the iceberg head on, the ship would have stayed afloat.


49 posted on 01/16/2012 10:02:22 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Tax-chick
... but having done so, couldn’t people swim?

Many probably could swim -- given the right conditions, attire, and preparedness. Bobbing in the water, at night while dressed for dinner, I'm not sure.

I did the full clothing swim test at USAFA years ago. I would not want to try it now.

50 posted on 01/16/2012 10:02:55 AM PST by ken in texas
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