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Santorum defends support for restoring felonsí voting rights
The Washington Times ^ | January 16, 2012 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 01/16/2012 9:23:33 AM PST by detective

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Rick Santorum pushed back Monday morning against a series of ads being run against him on his record on earmarks, labor issues and a vote he took in 2002 that would have forced states to let felons' voting rights be restored when they completed their sentences.

Mr. Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania, is demanding the felon charge be stricken from an ad being run by a political group backing former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, one of his opponents in the Republican presidential primary.

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Santorum supported a Federal law that would have allowed convicted felons to vote after they had served their time in prison and probation and parole.

This is a terrible idea. If Santorum supports convicted felons, then I don't think I can support him.

I had thought Santorum was the best of the candidates. I never thought he was perfect but I thought he was the best choice. Now I need to rethink my position. I don't want to make the perfect the enemy of the good and I realize there is no candidate that I will always agree with. But this troubles me.

1 posted on 01/16/2012 9:23:39 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

Yep, if this is true and a lot of the convicted felons are illegals.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 9:27:48 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: detective

Bit of a non issue since felons can already vote in every state. Some conditions apply in most, such as they must have served their sentences, probation, paroles etc. In Maine and Vermont, incarcerated felons are allowed to vote.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286


3 posted on 01/16/2012 9:27:57 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: detective

Why just their voting rights? If he doesn’t “support” the restoration of their Second Amendment rights once they “complete their sentences”, he’s a hypocrite just as the commie ‘RATS are on this same subject.


4 posted on 01/16/2012 9:28:10 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: detective

I want to know what the Republican candidates always seem to be for things that will help only the other side?


5 posted on 01/16/2012 9:28:51 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: detective
agree - also his record on earmarks is bothersome and although I realize PA is a union heavy state, he has
kowtowed to the unions.
6 posted on 01/16/2012 9:29:12 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: detective
Dang, I was planning to support Santorum in the primary.

This is likely a deal breaker.

Dang.

.

7 posted on 01/16/2012 9:31:03 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: detective

If a felon has served all his time, is his debt to society not paid?


8 posted on 01/16/2012 9:31:41 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yep, as long as people try to take any of our God given rights, they will eventually be taken from us all. While they’re at it, they can reduce the 10,000+ pages of the criminal code that makes everyone an unprosecuted felon.


9 posted on 01/16/2012 9:31:49 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: detective

I’m a convicted felon.

The vicious nature of my not showing up for court many years ago is plenty of reason for stripping me of my vote forever.

BTW I vote legally and I vote conservative because voting rights are a state issue.

Just be thankful we allow stupid people to vote.


10 posted on 01/16/2012 9:31:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: freekitty

Good question. My guess is that they believe they can bring RAT voters to the GOP by supporting certain measures. This is delusional, but unfortunately a common belief. Most of the people they want to attract to the GOP cause don’t even pay attention to the news, they just automatically vote for the party that gives out the most goodies.


11 posted on 01/16/2012 9:32:54 AM PST by freespirited
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To: Seaplaner
Mister Santorum.

There is absolutely no (no) excuse for supporting felons' voting rights.

You have a brief (make that extremely brief) moment to admit that this was an horrific error of judgment; and that you would not ever, ever, ever support such an Alinsky-esqe bill again.

The (election wrecking) "ball" is in your court.

.

12 posted on 01/16/2012 9:35:42 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: detective

I’m getting sick of all this infighting by the Republican Establishment against Santorum—or anyone else of whom they disapprove.

This is the second article today where the WashTimes pushes propaganda against Santorum in order to sink him in the primaries.

First they did that vague article that the Evangelicals didn’t really endorse him, because someone saw somebody cheat at the vote. Really? Absolutely no established sources or facts are involved.

Now they try to tar Santorum as favoring votes for felons. He didn’t “admit” it, he accused the Superpac of lying because they said he wanted to give felons the vote. No, he wanted to allow them to vote after they had served their time, passed their paroles, and were finished with paying their debt to society. It’s the DEMOCRATS who want to give felons still in prison the vote, but the ad pretended that Santorum sided with them.

No, I agree with him. You serve your time, you pay the price, you do your parole, and you get your citizenship back. Or doesn’t anyone believe in the idea of forgiveness for those who have paid the price?


13 posted on 01/16/2012 9:36:13 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

In many states, a felon who has paid his debt can petition the governor to have the right to vote restored.
This makes sense to me.


14 posted on 01/16/2012 9:38:08 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: RightOnTheBorder

NO! The Pharisee’s said so!/s

The thing is that these morons don’t realize that EVERY person commits on average no less than 3 felonies a day. We have the largest prison population in the entire world (by many times), and more than 1% of our population is in a prison at any given moment. Nearly 1/2 of all kids are arrested/detained before they reach adulthood. No one is safe, yet people are stupid enough to think that the object is not to remove ALL rights from EVERYONE.

Stop trying to take GOD given rights from people, even if they commit a crime. This infatuation with locking people up is sick and demented. I dare say 99% of prisoners have no business being in prison, and certainly not at the expense of tens of thousands of dollars a year. There are many forms of discipline that modify society and individuals behaviors. Prison isn’t one of them. Even for theft. It’s like saying, “That man stole 5,000 from you, now you get to pay $20,000 over the next several years to house feed, and clothe him, and he’ll have no means to pay you back.” I’d rather have him caned and put back to work than pay 5x, 10x, 20x the amount to keep myself “Safe.”


15 posted on 01/16/2012 9:38:49 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Graybeard58; cripplecreek
From the article:

“The vote Mr. Santorum cast, Senate vote No. 31 in 2002, would have overridden state laws when it comes to federal elections. It would have required them to let felons register to vote once they have completed their prison sentences and any probation or parole.

If it were to pass today, it would override laws in 11 states that require felons to apply to have their rights restored, and that puts it at odds with the principles most of the GOP’s candidates are espousing on the campaign trail that states should be left to control their own destinies as much as possible.”

My understanding is that convicted felons need to apply to have there rights restored in many states(in my opinion it should be every state). The bill Santorum voted for would automatically restore voting rights to all convicted felons no matter what.

16 posted on 01/16/2012 9:38:49 AM PST by detective
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To: detective
Santorum supported a Federal law that would have allowed convicted felons to vote after they had served their time in prison and probation and parole. This is a terrible idea.

Where in the Constitution are a Citizen's Rights revoked AFTER serving their prison sentence, probation and parole??

17 posted on 01/16/2012 9:39:20 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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This is a terrible idea. If Santorum supports convicted felons, then I don't think I can support him.

Santorum isn't addressing the real problem. He needs to address the issue of jaywalking becoming a felony offense. Not really, but I think you get my meaning...
18 posted on 01/16/2012 9:39:58 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: Cicero

“Or doesn’t anyone believe in the idea of forgiveness for those who have paid the price?”

That would take logical thinking.

And lately, it seems sorely lacking here.

You’ve paid your ‘debt’ and you should have your rights restored.

No one is talking about supporting ‘current’ felons or even ‘illegal immigrants’ who have served their sentences.

Just the fact that some one is here ‘illegal’ means they can’t ‘serve their sentence’ because they haven’t been convicted of their crime of entering the country ‘illegally’.

The inanity around here lately just amazes me.


19 posted on 01/16/2012 9:40:22 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: detective; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

Bad idea to begin with but the worst part is he wanted to force states to do it since they are responsible for elections and election laws, till the 1960s civil rights bills jumped in and started micro-managing certain states.

Very discouraging.


20 posted on 01/16/2012 9:40:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Graybeard58

Bingo!

Just more mudslinging from the Rombot camp to keep the focus off ‘Willard the Liberal Gov’ through Sat.


21 posted on 01/16/2012 9:42:54 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: JDW11235

I can’t help but wonder how many people genuinely believe that convicts sit in prison dreaming of the day they can get out and vote democrat.

As far as I know, only Maine allows inmates to vote while in prison and I think that’s a really dumb idea. After all, they have nothing better to do and voting provides a change of pace.


22 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: JDW11235

“I dare say 99% of prisoners have no business being in prison”

You have a different view of the world than I do. If we let 99% of the people now in prison commit any crime they wanted and let them know they had no fear of punishment what do you think our country would be like?


23 posted on 01/16/2012 9:43:54 AM PST by detective
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To: detective; All

Ricky needs to explain voting for felons to be able to vote as well as THIS RINO voting record:

RICK SANTORUM

VOTED AGAINST INCREASING THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATORS
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00201

VOTED TO ALLOW ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO RECEIVE THE EARNED INCOME CREDIT BEFORE BECOMING CITIZENS
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00154

VOTED TO GIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00058

SANTORUM: TRIM SOCIAL SECURITY NOW- EVEN IF PAINFUL.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7O34Bpp42k-IlMMNiOLBkYF2zNw?docId=b1cff9ecefe24ca6ae1764a09761e361

VOTED TO GIVE WELFARE BENEFITS TO NATURALIZED CITIZENS without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00427

VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS, paid for by reductions in state grants.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00179

VOTED AGAINST FOOD STAMP REFORM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00353

VOTED AGAINST MEDICAID REFORM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00352

VOTED TO INCREASE THE SOCIAL SERVICES BLOCK GRANT FROM $1 BILLION to $2 BILLION
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00302

VOTED TO RAID SOCIAL SECURITY instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00056

VOTED TO IMPOSE A UNIFORM FEDERAL MANDATE ON STATES TO FORCE THEM TO ALLOW CONVICTED RAPISTS, ARSONISTS, DRUG KINGPINS AND ALL OTHER EX-CONVICTS TO VOTE IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00031

VOTED AGAINST INCREASING THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRATION INVESTIGATORS?
VOTED TO GIVE WELFARE BENEFITS TO NATURALIZED CITIZENS?
VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS?
VOTED AGAINST FOOD STAMP REFORM?
VOTED AGAINST MEDICAID REFORM?

People NEED to know this about Santorum’s voting record.
He has not been vetted.

.


24 posted on 01/16/2012 9:44:24 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08

You sound like a paranoid Perry (5%) supporter.


25 posted on 01/16/2012 9:46:22 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: detective

What gets to me is that Romney supporters (AKA Romney) have placed attacks on Gingrich and Santorum, and yet if Gingrich attacks Romney it’s a mortal sin.

Romney gets a pass on negative attacks because supposedly it isn’t him, it’s his supporters. While anyone else is blackballed for negative attacks on Romney.

Either way Republicans are killing each other while the slimey SOB in the White House now laughs his ass off.


26 posted on 01/16/2012 9:47:02 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Gilbo_3; Impy

Sometimes I try to have hope for this party and then I am always disappointed.

Compassionate conservatism for sure!


27 posted on 01/16/2012 9:47:23 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: detective
Please show me where in the Constitution it says that once a convicted felon you can never have your rights restored? The whole idea originally was that once you had “paid your debt to society” you were again restored to full rights. You can argue over weather you agree or not but it is not in the Constitution to continue to deny any rights after one has completed there sentence. Now before all you folks get all up in arms, let me say that I like the idea of convicted felons not owning firearms and not voting, I spent 30 years in law-enforcement, but I can not find continued denial in the Constitution.
28 posted on 01/16/2012 9:47:23 AM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: DTogo

A while back I found some old prison records from Jackson Michigan in the mid 1800s. Among the items returned to inmates upon release were their weapons.

Too many felonies when most felonies should be violent crimes and those people should be in prison or dead.


29 posted on 01/16/2012 9:49:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: detective

Haley Barbour on his way out pardoned 200 new votes for Obama.
The judge who temporarily overturned the Barbour pardons and is trying to recapture 5 released killers should station marshalls to stake out the polls and arrest them before they pull the Obama lever.


30 posted on 01/16/2012 9:49:34 AM PST by chuckee
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To: cripplecreek

Willard must be desperate.

Santorum position is after they do prison and parole they get voting rights
reinstated.
What’s the matter with that?

Now they are taking away our citizenship rights any way they can even after our debt to Justice is done.

Pretty soon you will be fined if you DON’T VOTE. They will just hunt
us down.


31 posted on 01/16/2012 9:49:53 AM PST by preamble
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To: patriot08

As Republicans gathered for their national convention in Philadelphia a decade ago, Rick Santorum, who was then an up-and-coming senator from Pennsylvania, launched a charity that he said would improve the lives of low-income residents in his home state.

“Wouldn’t it be a great thing to leave something positive behind other than a bunch of parties and a bunch of garbage?” Santorum told a local reporter.

But homeless families and troubled children were not the biggest beneficiaries of Operation Good Neighbor. Instead, the foundation spent most of its money to run itself, including hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for fundraising, administration and office rental paid to Santorum’s political allies.

Santorum, whose last-minute surge in the Iowa caucuses has brought new attention to his presidential bid, portrays himself as a common man concerned about the gap between the nation’s rich and poor. But in the case of his charity, his efforts ended up mostly helping his cadre of political friends.

Before it folded in 2007, the foundation raised $2.58 million, with 39 percent of that donated directly to groups helping the needy. By industry standards, such philanthropic groups should be donating nearly twice that, from 75 to 85 percent of their funds.

“That’s exceptionally poor,” Ken Berger, president of Charity Navigator, a national organization that rates charitable groups, said of the Santorum group’s giving. “We would tell donors to run with fear from this organization.”

That’s exceptionally poor...

even by Congressional standards.

Santorum charity for the poor spent most of its money on management, political friends

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/santorum-charity-for-the-poor-spent-most-of-its-money-on-management-political-friends/2012/01/11/gIQAGDKVwP_story.html


32 posted on 01/16/2012 9:50:52 AM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: detective

Take away the social issues from the mix, and RS is just a C or C minus conservative at best.

Grade A on social issues, but not so hot other than that.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 9:51:48 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: 95B30

See post #16.


34 posted on 01/16/2012 9:51:52 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

“In declining states the leadership intuitively choses the most harmful course of action.” A Great Historian 1888


35 posted on 01/16/2012 9:52:36 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Seaplaner

I am supporting Santorum. The Washington Times is out to sink Santorum to aid Romney.


36 posted on 01/16/2012 9:53:04 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: detective

The Washington Times is out to sink Santorum. They are doing their best to get Romney nominated and destroy the conservative movement.


37 posted on 01/16/2012 9:54:01 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: true believer forever

This fits the pattern of Romney campaign

which the other CANDIDATES HATED in 2008 and 2012 for hypocrisy

he rips the other candidates on the RIGHT

that they are not RIGHT enough

smells like Romney


38 posted on 01/16/2012 9:54:57 AM PST by preamble
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To: bjcoop

Same here. He isn’t a big government socialist like Newt Romney.


39 posted on 01/16/2012 9:55:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: patriot08

That’s a ridiculous way to destroy Santorum. Who are you comparing him to? Gingrich? Gingrich who supported Global Warming with Nancy Pelosi, who loves FDR, and attacked capitalism. We can disagree on Santorum but Mittens needs to be stopped. His nomination will be devastating and would have a ripple effect on congressional races nationwide.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 9:55:52 AM PST by bjcoop
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To: detective

Only if they are conservative...


41 posted on 01/16/2012 9:56:11 AM PST by pallis
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Right, Rombot.


42 posted on 01/16/2012 9:56:11 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: JDW11235
The thing is that these morons don’t realize that EVERY person commits on average no less than 3 felonies a day.

Huh? Do you have a source for that?

43 posted on 01/16/2012 9:57:25 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: detective
I'm not an expert on the voting record of Santorum but I saw enough to know that he is NOT a small gov't and he is NOT a states rights supporter. He is a union supporter...voted against national Right to Work legislation.

When Santorum endorsed Arlen Specter...he meant it!

44 posted on 01/16/2012 9:58:55 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: detective

Prison is where debt is paid. You can feel however you want about a person individually, but once they are out, debt paid (not on parole or probation) then rights should be reinstated. If they can’t vote then they’re not even citizens, we might as well kick them out of the country.


45 posted on 01/16/2012 9:59:15 AM PST by BloodAngel
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Take away the social issues from the mix, and RS is just a C or C minus conservative at best.

Grade A on social issues, but not so hot other than that.


What you said.
46 posted on 01/16/2012 10:00:28 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: CainConservative
Right, Rombot.

That is so intellectually lazy and frankly, ridiculous. I was a Cain supporter probably before you every knew who he was and have been a Newt supporter since October, maybe early November. The idea that you jumped to the conclusion that I was in any way a Romney supporter demonstrates an incredible lack of something. Intellect? Reason? Comprehension? Or maybe it demonstrates a over abundance of something. Paranoia? Hatred? Anger? Something. You weren't even close.

47 posted on 01/16/2012 10:00:28 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: preamble

I don’t get what you are saying at all.

It’s a story, I assume the numbers are verifiable, which is about Rick Santorum’s actions, not his words... is how he handled his charitable organization off limits? He’s the best christian running, we are told, by him and others.

I support Newt.


48 posted on 01/16/2012 10:00:38 AM PST by true believer forever (First, they came for the rich.)
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To: BloodAngel

See post #16.


49 posted on 01/16/2012 10:00:54 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

He needs to get out of the race and let Grinrich beat Romney.


50 posted on 01/16/2012 10:01:04 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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