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How could any Roman Catholic such as Joe Paterno not have heard of "rape and a man"?
Pennlive.com ^ | January 16, 2012 | David Jones

Posted on 01/17/2012 12:37:52 AM PST by John Roco

By now, you've likely seen the interview with Joe Paterno printed in Sunday's Washington Post and conducted by their terrific and much-decorated writer Sally Jenkins. In it, she asks the former Penn State coach about his response to Mike McQueary's March 2002 report to him of alleged indecent activity involving Jerry Sandusky and a boy in a Lasch Building shower. This is the part of Jenkins' story that jumped out at me:

He reiterated that McQueary was unclear with him about the nature of what he saw — and added that even if McQueary had been more graphic, he’s not sure he would have comprehended it.

“You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you, I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. So I just did what I thought was best. I talked to people that I thought would be, if there was a problem, that would be following up on it.”

I spoke with Jenkins by phone on Monday afternoon, shortly after she completed a live chat for The Post. I wanted to make certain she didn't follow up that question, as appeared to be the case in the story, and she said she didn't. She admitted misgivings about not following up but said she felt pressed for time and wanted to touch on a number of topics in what she knew would be a limited time frame. It was, in fact, all of about 35 minutes over two days, she indicated in the chat.

Jenkins felt this was the most interesting part of the interview, too. Because it was clearly an attempt by Paterno to convey his Old World ignorance about the subject of child sex abuse.

The question is whether you buy his response.

On one hand, here's a Roman Catholic who claims his unfamiliarity in 2002 with the concept of child rape. Even a decade ago, was that plausible?

The Roman Catholic priest scandals had already been major news by then. In the very two months preceding McQueary's report to Paterno, The Boston Globe was in the midst of detailing daily and gruesome accusations that rocked everyone associated with the Roman Catholic church. Throughout January and February of 2002, the stream of new accusations just kept coming.

Catalyst to the series was the story of Boston-area Roman Catholic priest John Geoghan, accused of rape and various other sexual abuse of children, was major news. He was defrocked in 1998, imprisoned in February 2002 and eventually murdered by an inmate after being sentenced to 10 years.

For a Roman Catholic to be oblivious to the concept rape of boys, given what was going on at the time, is hard to fathom.

On the other hand, there is the considerable issue of Paterno's age and the era in which he was raised. In that context, it is plausible that he could drift around such disturbing reports simply because it was not something men of his background acknowledged. McQueary himself has testified that he resisted being graphic about his account of what he saw in the Lasch showers because: “You don't go to coach Paterno and go in great detail about sexual acts.” That statement is, in itself, something of an acknowledgement of Paterno's heritage.

It's hard for people in their 20s all the way up to those who grew up during “the sexual revolution” and now are in their early 60s to imagine the mindset of someone Paterno's age when it comes to freely speaking of anything of a sexual nature. In their time, it just was not done./

That's part of the culture that allowed the hideous acts of child sex abuse to perpetuate in the first place. It wasn't exactly that people in that era tolerated them. It was just that they were preconditioned to turn a blind eye and certainly not to converse about them. Such acts were very literally unspeakable.

In that vein, here is Jenkins' take on that segment of the interview, offered as a response to a reader during her Monday live chat:

Q: Are we really supposed to believe that Paterno just didn't understand “rape and a man?” That he didn't understand that it was sexual? What were your follow-up questions to these statements?

SJ: This to me was the most provocative quote in the whole piece, and how you feel about it determines your view of Paterno. If there is one question I wish I had followed up better, it's that one.

Your feeling on his reply goes one of two ways: you either buy it or you don't. You either accept his portrait of himself as an old-world gentleman who couldn't cope with the issue, because he couldn't envision or address man-boy sexual assault, or you say, “No one is that naive, no matter what generation they are from.”

I've gotten hundreds of responses from readers and they are split right down the middle on this one. Some find it totally plausible, others don't. I bought it in the instant when he said it, as his tone when he said it was actually agitated and seemed sincere. I have a father Paterno's age who is pretty profane, and he recoils from this subject too.

But when I listened to the transcript later, I certainly wished I had followed up. Instead, I was focused on all the other questions I needed to ask him, too focused on my list instead of on what he was actually saying.

I've certainly been there. With Paterno and with other subjects.

Still, the interview is finally Paterno's side of the story, something we had not seen outside of Grand Jury transcripts.

It might be the only time we see a smidgen of his side, his own words, unfiltered, for the record. That alone, makes it worthwhile.

DAVID JONES: djones8681@verizon.net.

Related topics: joe paterno, mike mcqueary, penn state football, sally jenkins, washington post


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexual; joepaterno; romancatholic; sandusky
What does everyone think of this? Joe Paterno reported what McQueary told him to superiors. Isn't that what one is supposed to do? It seems like Joe was fired 'cause he did not follow up and make sure someone called the police, or fired because his superiors did not call the police. Should Joe Paterno have known he should have called the police? It is obvious he should have now- with 20/20 hindsight.

But it is really interesting how Joe being 'Roman Catholic' becomes the point- instead of the continuing and important investigation into male adult homosexuals who have a problem- with targeting male children in their vicinity- regardless of the institution these gay cultured people have joined: church, non-profit, foster family agency, adoption agency, school, etc.

Voice opinion- right now (1/16/2012 @ 10:23pm) on the front page of www.yahoo.com the 1st article is, "Why gay couples make great parents."

1 posted on 01/17/2012 12:38:05 AM PST by John Roco
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To: John Roco

I buy it. The peculiar phraseology should serve as the stamp of authenticity. It’s not his religion, it’s his age. There was a time when no doubt these things occurred, but they were not spoken of.


2 posted on 01/17/2012 12:43:15 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: John Roco
For a Roman Catholic to be oblivious to the concept rape of boys, given what was going on at the time, is hard to fathom.

Why? It's the same reason why people deny that homosexual males are about far more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexual males. (See for example http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/homosexuality_and_pedophilia.htm -- sorry if that's not a good source, it's late and I'm tired). In fact, the entire Catholic pedophile nightmare was actually a homosexual pedophile nightmare, but that is largely ignored.

The term for it is "cognitive dissonance" - an actual inability to see facts that would force one to shatter his or her world view to see. Sadly, it is all too common...

3 posted on 01/17/2012 12:57:52 AM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: dr_lew

Were it the very first time he’d heard it alleged to have happened right under his nose, disbelief could be understood. But to view it the same way in retrospect? Fishy. And whether he was Catholic or not shouldn’t have mattered, because it was getting thrust into the public consciousness through the media.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 1:18:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dr_lew

Besides, it was “rape and a BOY.”


5 posted on 01/17/2012 1:19:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: John Roco
[ “You know, he didn’t want to get specific,” Paterno said. “And to be frank with you, I don’t know that it would have done any good, because I never heard of, of, rape and a man. ]

I see.. so Joe is a moron!... He may be a democrat as well..
Sorry for the double negative...

Unless he is channeling Homer Simpson.. with a half-hearted DOH!...

6 posted on 01/17/2012 2:30:24 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: John Roco

The rape of children is at least as old as the ancient Greeks; catholic priests didn’t invent it. If I hear of such a thing I don’t tell my boss, I tell the cops. Paterno, Sandusky and the rest of the monsters belong in jail first and then Hell.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 2:31:53 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: John Roco

Sounds like a rather pathetic defence of Paterno.


8 posted on 01/17/2012 2:44:07 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dr_lew

Paterno’s got 15 years on me, but sex was not talked about between parents and children when I was a boy. I went to the parish Catholic school and my sex education came from a priest, actually an Army Airborne chaplain. Boys and girls had separate classes starting in the fourth grade.

We went on several trips with priests - to the Passion Play, to the Maryknoll seminary, etc. - and there was NEVER any hint of sexual perversion. Did it go on? Maybe. Did it ever come out? Never.

So, I can understand Paterno’s response. I don’t approve, but I can understand.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 2:47:30 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: John Roco
Lousy interview with no follow up questions.
Catholic or not if Joe Pa never heard of Rape and men or in this case children then he should be renamed Rip Van Winkle.
Joe Pa is trying to Cover his old butt. I am sure he was hoping it would just go away. It almost did.
10 posted on 01/17/2012 2:49:01 AM PST by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: John Roco

Digging deeper, they might find Penn State personnel were forced to attend “desensitization” classes on the subject of homosexuality.

The purpose of these classes is to make abohrent homosexual nehavior seem “normal.”

Yhere is a big push from homo groups to normalizchild/ault sex-—homos favored practice.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 2:56:58 AM PST by Liz
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To: John Roco

I think he was referring to reape “of” a man.

He likely didn’t think about that as a possibility because most normal people don’t think that a man’s penis belongs up another man’s a*s.


12 posted on 01/17/2012 3:01:52 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: veritas2002

Still, the alleged targets of such activity was boys, not men.


13 posted on 01/17/2012 3:17:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: veritas2002

oops, targets ... were


14 posted on 01/17/2012 3:21:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: John Roco

The fact that he reported it to his superiors suggests to me that he did know more than he’s letting on, or knew enough to not ask any more questions. If he thought it was just “horsing around,” why didn’t he just go to Sandusky and tell him to stop “horsing around?”


15 posted on 01/17/2012 3:32:54 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: muir_redwoods
Winner winner chicken dinner! I'm really frightened about how far up this thing goes. Joe knew regardless of the excuses he made. The university knew and even let the monster into a private box to watch a game. We still have a missing DA and the missing DA’s hard drive. Something stinks to high Heaven.
16 posted on 01/17/2012 3:36:09 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: NTHockey

I, too, had a pretty sheltered Catholic childhood - created and sustained by ADULTS. But when I went into the playground or spent my summers on hot city streets playing stickball, I certainly picked up a lot about sex from the other kids. Most of it wrong, of course, but I knew something was going on.

And for a guy who has spent God knows how much time in locker rooms, this is really hard to believe.


17 posted on 01/17/2012 4:34:50 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: dr_lew

“There was a time when no doubt these things occurred, but they were not spoken of”.

JoePa could possibly get people to think that he didn’t know a man could rape another man or a child when he was a child. These crimes occurred when JoePa was older. Child molestation, rape and homosexuality in general is discussed in the media, on television shows, etc... He didn’t live in a bubble. I personally believe he is attempting to save whatever is left to his “legacy” by using the old “I am just a naive person due to my age” story.


18 posted on 01/17/2012 4:45:32 AM PST by momtothree
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To: John Roco
What does being Roman Catholic have to do with "knowing about child rape"? No one in his position is that damn'd ignorant of a problem that crosses any religious boundaries.
19 posted on 01/17/2012 4:56:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Paterno and I are so close to the same age and background that I feel qualified to comment. Catholic grade school it was not even a thought about homosexuality. About the 7th grade we discovered that girls were maturing and getting hot.I was a swimmer and there were a few kids that would hang out in the shower a little longer than others which was odd in my opinion. In my Catholic high school taught by Brothers( we use to call the priest wanna be’s). It became very obvious that something different about two brothers. They were always together and made a lot of us uncomfortable when we were around them. Finally one of my friends told me they were homos. I had to find out what that meant, but still didn't realize it consisted of rectal sex. To say one didn't know that pedophilia existed is really stretching it.
20 posted on 01/17/2012 4:58:01 AM PST by shadeaud ( “Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8”. Just doing my duty a Christian)
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To: veritas2002
because most normal people don’t think that a man’s penis belongs up another man’s a*s.

I would say that all normal people don't think that is where it belongs but to infer from that, that it doesn't happen, is too big a leap. Blaming his supposed ignorance on any religious upbringing is also too big of a leap.

21 posted on 01/17/2012 5:05:49 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: shadeaud

Yeah, homosexuality wasn’t spoken of in my childhood either but we did have sissy-boys which was basically the same thing. I remember once innocently (but angrily) calling my brother a “big queer” and my mother slapping me. I just meant he was a jerk but she thought I was implying something else, lol! The adults might not have been totally educated about homosexuality but they knew enough to know what was going on.

Mr. Paterno never told his kids not to take candy from strangers? Come on!


22 posted on 01/17/2012 5:23:12 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: John Roco

Many women are in denial about what homosexual men do together. They prefer to believe it’s all about cuddling.


23 posted on 01/17/2012 5:26:33 AM PST by Oratam
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To: John Roco

I wonder why so many in the media and their followers are more interested in getting Joe Paterno than Sandusky.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 5:27:28 AM PST by ardara
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To: dr_lew

Homosexuality and related perversions such as pedophilia have been around for thousands of years. Homo sex was a crime even into the last century. For some one living their life on a college campus to say they did not know about homo and child sex is just plain silly...............


25 posted on 01/17/2012 5:28:14 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: John Roco

Every writer who wants to attack Joe Paterno, and knows how the state of Pennsylvania has failed to hold Sandusky accountable in the past appears to have a moral obligation to go to Sandusky’s home and take care of the issue today.


26 posted on 01/17/2012 5:30:11 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: John Roco

So Paterno admits to being a senile, dodering old fool for the last 20 years eh?


27 posted on 01/17/2012 6:08:53 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: NTHockey

“Paterno’s got 15 years on me, but sex was not talked about between parents and children when I was a boy.”

Every once in a while, among all of the HATE Paterno posts, I see a post that contains a reasonable thought.

I will agree with folks who say Paterno SHOULD have known better. I happen to think he, and MANY of his generation, have a huge blind spot when it comes to sexual abuse between a man and a boy. It is something a Father of a small boy can hardly think about. It is that terrible. I think Paterno couldn’t quite take the truth of it in. I would bet, to this day, he doesn’t believe a Priest could do something like this. The truth, when it comes to this subject, is hard to process.

I don’t think Paterno is evil. Sandusky is evil. Paterno is someone who stayed way too long. He is, and has been, out of touch. I blame his family for not seeing this. He should have been done coaching years ago. Who is surprised that an old man, who’s highest priority in life is football, handled this situation so poorly?

Anyone connected to PSU in a capacity over the past 10 years to remove Paterno, should themselves be removed.

What adult son or daughter will allow their half blind, half deaf, partially crippled, impaired thinking parent, to continue driving when it is no longer safe for them OR for the other people on the road?

Someone who knows better has to take the keys away.

Name ONE person at PSU who knew better? Paterno was an accident, a poor decision, a lapse in judgement, waiting to happen.


28 posted on 01/17/2012 9:16:50 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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