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Report: Santorum Currently Up 80 Votes In Iowa Caucuses Ballot Count…
Weasel Zippers ^ | 1/16/2012 | Weasel Zippers

Posted on 01/17/2012 8:36:54 AM PST by Qbert

Oh my.

MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — It’s conventional wisdom in Republican circles here in South Carolina that if Mitt Romney wins the state’s primary this Saturday — having already won in Iowa and New Hampshire — he’ll be the GOP presidential nominee.

“If for some reason he’s not derailed here and Mitt Romney wins South Carolina — no one’s ever won all three — I think it should be over,” Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday. “That would be quite a testament to his ability as a candidate and a campaigner.”

But what if Romney did not actually win Iowa? That could change the calculation considerably. And there is a very real chance that the Republican Party of Iowa will announce this week that Rick Santorum, and not Romney, won the Iowa caucuses.

Results released on caucus night — actually, at 2 the next morning — showed Romney won by eight votes, 30,015 to Santorum’s 30,007. Many observers assumed that those results were final, especially when party officials said there would be no recount.

But the results were not final. Even though there is no provision for a recount in the party caucuses, state GOP rules do require that the results be certified, which is nearly the same thing. That certification process began the day after the caucuses and is expected to wrap up this week, yielding a final, official vote tally.

The final numbers will be different from those released on caucus night. One campaign source says the vote count as of midday Monday showed Santorum ahead by 80-something votes. If that number holds through certification of the last precincts, Santorum will win. Of course, there is always the possibility that some of the final precincts will contain discrepancies that put Romney back on top. It’s just not clear.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: gingrich; iowacaucus; romney; santorum
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1 posted on 01/17/2012 8:37:00 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

The votes for Romney in Iowa were manipulated so that he’d have the “Romney wins Iowa” headline and give him momentum going into NH.

So transparent. But these tricks work and will likely result in Romney being the nominee.


2 posted on 01/17/2012 8:40:25 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: afraidfortherepublic; American Constitutionalist; Antoninus; AuH2ORepublican; BlackElk; ...
Santorum for President Ping List.

FReepmail “Antoninus” to be added or removed.that up.

3 posted on 01/17/2012 8:41:02 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Qbert

It will be interesting to see if the media pays any real attention to this if Santorum wins Iowa or will they simply and quietly stop saying Romney won Iowa. You know the RINO establishment will make it low key.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 8:42:53 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: cotton1706

A Bush 2000 repeat?


5 posted on 01/17/2012 8:43:05 AM PST by grumpa
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To: Qbert

Chipping away at the Willard statue the GOP has already commissioned.


6 posted on 01/17/2012 8:45:31 AM PST by Leep (Paul/Vantura 2016)
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To: Qbert

Who the hell in the Santorum camp decided to play nice with Romney and not demand a recount of Iowa? Since the caucus the MSM has been pounding the line that Romney is the first GOP candidate to “win” both Iowa and NH since Ford.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 8:45:33 AM PST by C19fan
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To: Qbert

The unseemly rush to anounce results means stolen elctions.


8 posted on 01/17/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Qbert

Every outlet that can be reached the news should be relayed.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 8:46:33 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Qbert

The MEDIOTS will say Slick Willard “Sweeps” even when he loses in South Carolina....

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/could-romney-sweep-all-50-states/315856

The Paultard will say he sweeps all three primaries even when he comes in dead last.


10 posted on 01/17/2012 8:46:45 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Proud2BeRight

The game playing is endless. I see the media has started to insert Buddy Roemer back into some of the polls to drain off the few votes from legitimate candidates.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 8:46:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cotton1706

"The votes for Romney in Iowa were manipulated so that he’d have the “Romney wins Iowa” headline and give him momentum going into NH.

So transparent. But these tricks work and will likely result in Romney being the nominee."

Yep. And now they're all talking about FL- when SC is the next vote.

But we're not going to just let him walk away with this without a real fight this time.

12 posted on 01/17/2012 8:48:25 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: grumpa

Right. A moderate nominee means a loss or a bare win with nobody excited to help the downticket races.

Although I think this time, the downticket races may pull the republican nominee over the top, but we’ll see.

In any event, it’s all out war and the republican establishment is playing patty-cake.


13 posted on 01/17/2012 8:48:47 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Qbert

I hope so and that will shut the media up in saying he won the first two states, broke records and all that other garbage.

Go Newt!


14 posted on 01/17/2012 8:49:23 AM PST by Qwackertoo (Gingrich/West 2012)
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To: hoosierham

The unseemly rush to anounce results means stolen elctions.


Amen. And when Newt wins SC we can reshape the narrative to ‘Each candidate having won one state’.


15 posted on 01/17/2012 8:52:31 AM PST by txhurl (EVERYONE is losing their virginity in this election. -Marty60)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I heard Santorum say last night the Iowa vote should be certified today or tomorrow and that it looked like a win!


16 posted on 01/17/2012 8:53:44 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: cotton1706
“The votes for Romney in Iowa were manipulated so that he’d have the “Romney wins Iowa” headline and give him momentum going into NH.”

No, not really. The fact is, it was a close election. Most people would not take the initial results and hard and fast.

Wait for the final numbers.

Santorum and Romney essentially tied.

17 posted on 01/17/2012 8:56:06 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: RasterMaster

I will be shocked if Santorum wins IA. It will mean that the IA state GOP came down with a case of honesty.

The nice thing about it will be all the dopes like Karl Rove blabbering about how significant Mittens winning IA and NH is totally meaningless.


18 posted on 01/17/2012 8:57:28 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

"It will be interesting to see if the media pays any real attention to this if Santorum wins Iowa or will they simply and quietly stop saying Romney won Iowa. You know the RINO establishment will make it low key."

Exactly. (Either that, or they'll say that "although Santorum may have 'squeaked by' in Iowa, it's too late to stop Romney's momentum now".)

The counter to this argument: focus on what really matters- the delegate count.

19 posted on 01/17/2012 8:59:02 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: C19fan

There is no need not play nice on Santorum part. The process is going forward and nothing Santorum could say would change that.


20 posted on 01/17/2012 9:01:03 AM PST by Leep (Paul/Vantura 2016)
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To: Qbert

“The counter to this argument: focus on what really matters- the delegate count.”

Nobody cares about the delegate count because after the first few states the contest is usually over. Its about a once in a generation election that produces a mano-a-mano that goes all the way, for example Ford-Reagan 1976 and Obama-Clinton 2008.


21 posted on 01/17/2012 9:01:18 AM PST by C19fan
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To: cotton1706

These kinds of shenanigans is why I won’t be voting Republican should Romney get the nomination.


22 posted on 01/17/2012 9:03:20 AM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Well I know they were essentially tied, but Romney got the headline. That transposition business is too convenient. I’m not generally into conspiracy theory, but the establishment have pulled out all the stops to get Romney the nomination.


23 posted on 01/17/2012 9:04:34 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: upsdriver

Same here. I’ve voted for Romney three times already, and that’s enough for me.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 9:06:09 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: C19fan

"Nobody cares about the delegate count because after the first few states the contest is usually over..."

People who want to win the most delegates and get the nomination care about the delegate count...

25 posted on 01/17/2012 9:07:16 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: cotton1706
Unfortunately we are all assuming a conspiracy behind everything in today's world; my self included at times.

But sometimes things are as they are. When the media was here in Iowa; they were doing as they always do everywhere. They are always looking for a story or a spin to put on things.

They were ready to move to NH; they certainly were not going to settle for “results not yet finalized” story.

26 posted on 01/17/2012 9:16:15 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Proud2BeRight

Nah. Fox News? starts off their shows with “Romney - the winner in Iowa and New Hampshire...”


27 posted on 01/17/2012 9:17:40 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: OrioleFan

Fox News definitely needs a few new writers. In the gloss appearing with Lindsay Graham: “endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008.” Really. While he sat on McCain’s bus?


28 posted on 01/17/2012 9:30:21 AM PST by Mach9
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To: C19fan

maybe Santorum wants to be VP


29 posted on 01/17/2012 9:38:50 AM PST by cantbetooconservative (I miss Ronald Reagan)
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To: Qbert

A quick GOP primary takes conservatives out of the media and allows Obama to use his bully pulpit to control more of the election year dialogue. The press is anxious to end this thing so they can get back to Obama-loving.


30 posted on 01/17/2012 9:48:13 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: C19fan
Since the caucus the MSM has been pounding the line that Romney is the first GOP candidate to “win” both Iowa and NH since Ford.

That's because they want to repeat the tremendous Ford landslide victory. Sarcasm off

31 posted on 01/17/2012 10:03:18 AM PST by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: C19fan

Santorum said it didn’t matter.


32 posted on 01/17/2012 10:04:36 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: cotton1706

Proof?


33 posted on 01/17/2012 10:24:42 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: C19fan

This isn’t a recount, it’s a recheck and certification by the state with each county of the vote totals via the paperwork the counties turned in on Form E. Most of the ballots, if there even were ballots, were in the trash by the next morning.


34 posted on 01/17/2012 10:28:13 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

The state GOP does little more than certify the results. The counting and reporting of the numbers are entirely controlled by the precinct and county chairs. It is an extremely decentralized system.


35 posted on 01/17/2012 10:35:13 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I have no proof. But when heard about the last minute shenanigans the next day, I knew what was going on. If Santorum actually won, he would have been the news going into NH and the establishment, the manipulators, whatever you want to call them, wouldn’t have that. Romney had to be the name in everybody’s mind.


36 posted on 01/17/2012 10:38:03 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

What was “going on” by the “establishment”? Each precinct and county independently reports and documents their results, there is no central control. All the state GOP does is verify and report the results. Human error and lax policy is alot more likely than manipulation.


37 posted on 01/17/2012 10:42:09 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Qbert

Who is surprised by this? Not me. The Romney “win” was manufactured for the sake of denying Santorum the headline.


38 posted on 01/17/2012 10:45:34 AM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I just don’t trust them.


39 posted on 01/17/2012 10:58:26 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Qbert
"People who want to win the most delegates and get the nomination care about the delegate count... "

Does any of this matter? I have seen here on FR that the counting for the first few states in the Reupblican primary will be on a proportional basis, not winner take all. So, it's likely that there will be no change in delegates- or am I missing something?

40 posted on 01/17/2012 11:15:31 AM PST by matthew fuller (We are getting McCained!)
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To: cotton1706

I’m not sure who ‘them’ are. I know the GOP chair Matt Strawn and he’s not the kind of guy to put a fix on things, even if he could. I know some of the other leadership and state central committee people directly or we are friends on Facebook - alot of them are Paul people and I don’t know all that many who would even lean Romney.

One of the team doing all the logistical work - I and another guy were her two sidekicks for the last Congressional campaign in our district, and she’s definitely honest. In fact she did alot to tighten up the process this time.

Somebody at state could the last minute could have posted numbers not jiving with what a county reported. Or someone from the county could have reported bogus results than what the precinct chair reported. It would require there being a close race, your candidate is in contention, you knowing about it, and either the reporting or gathering of the results was completely unsupervised.

In most sites the Ron Paul people, to their credit, were all over doing observation. Not saying something could have happened, but it is unlikely. I’d wager human error would happen before fraud.


41 posted on 01/17/2012 11:23:45 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: matthew fuller

Iowa’s aren’t even pledged. They can vote for anyone.


42 posted on 01/17/2012 11:25:31 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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43 posted on 01/17/2012 11:29:13 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Qbert

Santorum should start every response to questions about whether he can win by starting with, “As the winner in Iowa...”.


44 posted on 01/17/2012 11:50:27 AM PST by Crucial
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To: Free Vulcan

Ok. Hope you’re right.


45 posted on 01/17/2012 12:18:43 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean someone is not out to get you.

This website can be pathetic sometimes. Everyone wants to be a victim and the hand wringing gets old

I can tell you that I know many of these people and there's not a more honest bunch running any state organization than those in Iowa.

But you would rather have Santorum lose so you can accuse these honest people of being corrupt. It may not occur to you that it's just possible that Romney legitimately won Iowa.

46 posted on 01/17/2012 12:23:10 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Boy are you touchy. I’m from Massachusetts. I wouldn’t put anything past any elected official. I don’t trust any of them.


47 posted on 01/17/2012 1:20:32 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
You have insulted and disparaged the reputation of people I KNOW to be honorable and I am not going to sit by and watch you do that without speaking up.

I totally trust these people to be honest. It is possible for Romney to have a legitimate win.

48 posted on 01/17/2012 3:13:54 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Of course it’s possible for Romney to have a legitimate win, but with last minute shenanigans, found votes, transposition errors, and an eight vote margin, the result becomes questionable, especially when mountains have been moved to give Romney momentum.


49 posted on 01/17/2012 3:41:25 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

In your mind, unless Santorum wins, the Iowa “establishment” found votes, transposition errors, and moved mountains to give Romney momentum and I’m telling you, you will be wrong.


50 posted on 01/17/2012 4:09:57 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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