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Va. Appeals Court Rules Against Perry and Gingrich’s Attempt to Get on Ballot
ABC News ^ | Jan 17, 2012 5:16pm | Ariane de Vogue

Posted on 01/17/2012 3:31:51 PM PST by Quicksilver

A federal appeals court in Virginia today denied an emergency request by Republican presidential hopefuls Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich to be placed on the ballot for the Virginia primary.

After failing to get the required 10,000 signatures necessary to be placed on the ballot, the two candidates argued that Virginia’s strict ballot law was unconstitutional.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit agreed with a lower court and ruled today that the candidates had waited too long to file their suit.

The court ruled unanimously that Perry and the other candidates “had every opportunity to challenge the various Virginia ballot requirements at a time when the challenge would not have created the disruption that this last-minute lawsuit has.”

The court said that if it had ruled in favor of Perry, then it would encourage other candidates for president “who knew the requirements and failed to satisfy them to seek at a tardy and belated hour to change the rules of the game.”

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; lawsuit; newtgingrich; perry2012; rickperry; ricksantorum; ruling; va2012; vagop; vaprimary; virginia
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1 posted on 01/17/2012 3:31:56 PM PST by Quicksilver
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To: Quicksilver

Romney has already been annointed. So the primaries are useless.


2 posted on 01/17/2012 3:35:34 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Quicksilver

If Rick’s last name was Lautenberg he could get on the ballot the week before the election.

If his last name was Carnahan he could win without his name on the ballot.

Of course he’d need to be a Democrat first.


3 posted on 01/17/2012 3:40:56 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Quicksilver
We had better just be good conservatives and make sure 0bama doesn't get reelected and put our support behind Romney the lesser of two evils and a smaller liberal. It's the right thing to do.

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4 posted on 01/17/2012 3:44:29 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Quicksilver

Another victory for States’ Rights in a Federal Court!

I bet Rick Perry, being a supporter of States’ Rights, is delighted with this ruling.


5 posted on 01/17/2012 3:45:34 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Quicksilver
So, even more FASCISTS on the federal bench. They seem to have an unlimited supply of these pukes.

We need a much better selection system ~

6 posted on 01/17/2012 3:55:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: trumandogz
Doesn't feel like I have any rights in this former slave state ~ it's like they brought it back.

You do realize this is an act of war against the citizens.

7 posted on 01/17/2012 3:57:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Quicksilver

Super tuesday is march 6. I bet it will be decided before then anyhow, and I live in Va.

If the first round of primaries/cauci are so important to the GOP, why are they held in states that rarely go GOP in the general election, at least in recent years? How does that make sense? And yes, Va. went Obama last time as well.

Freegards


8 posted on 01/17/2012 3:59:30 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: muawiyah

Why are you opposed to a state like Texas or South Carolina passing Voter ID laws, or Virginia establishing primary election standards they the legislature believes is best for the people of Virginia.

Do you want the Federal Courts to overturn election laws in Texas, S Carolina and Virginia.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Let's put it this way FASCIST PIG, when it comes to MY RIGHTS, your arguments are total BS.

Now that we've gotten through the peaceful introduction ~ let me put it this way, I've been the guy who for YEARS has repetitively notified folks here and on other sites on the net about the Indiana victory at the USSC regarding photo IDs for voting.

Now you accuse me of being against Photo IDs for voting?

Go soak your head for a very, very long time.

10 posted on 01/17/2012 4:09:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Quicksilver

Now if the last name of the party filing the lawsuit had a (D) after their name, kind of like 0dumb0shit, he could wait until the 11th hour, 59th minute to file a lawsuit and the liberal court would immediately file an injunction against the state, not to proceed with the election. But an (R) after the name, and all of a sudden the courts are in favor of upholding the state. Bastards!


11 posted on 01/17/2012 4:11:32 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: muawiyah

“You do realize this is an act of war against the citizens.”

Let me get this straight.

You are saying that when a Federal Court refuses to overturn a law passed by the Virginia Legislature, that it is an act of war?

From reading your posts in the past, I thought that you advocated States’s Rights.

Why are you now opposed to States’ Rights?


12 posted on 01/17/2012 4:11:48 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Regarding federal involvement in federal elections ~ the United States Constitution clearly sets aside a piece of power for the federal government.

Regarding cheating, and that's what your boy did, he cheated, the Constitution does not empower cheaters when we catch them.

Before this is over you will see yourself, your boy Romney, Mullins and Bolling inside a federal prison looking out.

You lose your Republican credentials by engaging in any sort of fraud involving the way elections, or the materials related to elections are governed.

13 posted on 01/17/2012 4:14:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: trumandogz
There are no state's rights at stake here ~ the office about which the issue forms is a FEDERAL OFFICE.

Then there are the cheaters, and why am I not surprised at all to find the guy from Bain CHEATING?

That's not free enterprise or capitalism ~ that's CONVERSION.

14 posted on 01/17/2012 4:16:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I see. You oppose a Federal,Court interfering with decisions of the Indiana legislature, but you want an Activist Federal Judge to interfere with decisions of the Virginia legislature?


15 posted on 01/17/2012 4:17:35 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

If you’re the best Mitt’s got he’s going to lose everything.


16 posted on 01/17/2012 4:18:45 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“There are no state’s rights at stake here ~ the office about which the issue forms is a FEDERAL OFFICE.”

So therefore, the Federal Government and Federal Courts should be able to dictate to Texas and South Carolina that they cannot require a picture ID to vote in a Fedeal Office.


17 posted on 01/17/2012 4:24:10 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Quicksilver

I wonder why ABC covered this today when the judge ruled on this last week....................I find that very odd, very odd indeed


18 posted on 01/17/2012 4:30:03 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: muawiyah

“If you’re the best Mitt’s got he’s going to lose everything.”

You will not find a post of mine which is supportive of Mitt Romney.

However, you will find that I do advocate States’ Rights.

The fact of the matter is that the Virginia legislature passed a law and litigants from out of state ran to a Federal Court demanding that Activist Judges overturn the will of the people of Virginia.

The Federal Court made the right decision.


19 posted on 01/17/2012 4:30:51 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz; muawiyah

I must say, I enjoyed yalls little tiff here.

It’s interesting how this website format is able to take two people who both are against a RINO like Romney and both presumably support States Rights in principle, and get them at each other’s throats.

I can’t imagine Axelrod coming up with a more effective tool.


20 posted on 01/17/2012 4:51:59 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: muawiyah

I’m sorry, what am I missing? The court followed the law—for a change. What is fascist about that?

The candidates who did get on the VA ballot followed the law. I find that refreshing. You should too.

Too bad your guy did not follow the law. He had the same opportunity the balloted candidates did.

You know what? You sound like the Marxist demrats. Candidate not doint well? Let’s just replace him/her two weeks before election day.

And another thing, if a presidential candidate screws up getting his/her name on a state ballot I find that pathetic. Why would I vote for this person to be my president?


21 posted on 01/17/2012 4:56:18 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Quicksilver

The plaintiffs failed to make the important point:

The discrimination did not occur UNTIL Romney and Paul
were allowed to pass without a count.


22 posted on 01/17/2012 5:11:59 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: dools0007world

Cut off the nonsense. You know there was corruption in the process. Your boy cheated. That’s how he does business.


23 posted on 01/17/2012 5:18:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: sam_paine

I’d be happy if you burned Axelrod at the stake frankly.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 5:19:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: fatnotlazy

ROMNEY CAN STILL BE DE-RAILED. Don’t give up!


25 posted on 01/17/2012 5:19:55 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (The top leading CONSERVATIVE as of today in terms of 2012 GOP convention delegates, is RICK SANTORUM)
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To: blueyon

Maybe because that was ONE judge. This story is about a THREE judge panel, same result.


26 posted on 01/17/2012 5:24:45 PM PST by newzjunkey (Imbecilic early voters doom us all.)
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To: Quicksilver

The opinion
http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/121067R1.U.pdf


27 posted on 01/17/2012 5:25:23 PM PST by mrsmith (What Tea Party nominee have you found for your House seat?)
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To: blueyon
I wonder why ABC covered this today when the judge ruled on this last week....................I find that very odd, very odd indeed

The district court ruled last week. This is the ruling from the appeals court.

28 posted on 01/17/2012 5:25:48 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: dools0007world

Too often people decide their opinion on a case by first making an evaluation on each litigant or involved person instead of looking at the law and the conservative principle of States’ Rights.

In this case, Virginia and the Virginia GOP should be able to set their own standards without having Activist Federal Judges dictate how they run a primary election.


29 posted on 01/17/2012 5:26:13 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

This might be Virginia’s right but perception is everything.

The perception that will arise from Virginia only having Romney and Ron Paul on the ballot will cause the entire country to cast a jaundiced eye on this silly scene.

The GOP Blue Blood Elite want their Romney man and so it shall be.


30 posted on 01/17/2012 5:28:51 PM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: muawiyah

“Cut off the nonsense. You know there was corruption in the process. Your boy cheated. That’s how he does business.”

What corruption?

The VA GOP designed the standards to get on the Primary ballot and those standards were approved by the legislature.


31 posted on 01/17/2012 5:30:19 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
In your brilliance you fail to grasp the state changed the application of its rules this year compared to previous years.

With just Romney, Obama and Ron Paul to pick from, the losers here are the voters in Virginia.

Both Newt and Perry made a good faith effort to comply with the rules, there just happened to be suspiciously high error rate in their gathered signatures. I'm sure there's never an attempt to disrupt signature gathering for ballot access. /s

32 posted on 01/17/2012 5:30:54 PM PST by newzjunkey (Imbecilic early voters doom us all.)
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To: trumandogz
Don't be evasive. You know very well that the "standards" at issue are those regarding how many signatures you needed to AVOID validation.

Evasiveness like that will get you tossed in the clink on what started out as a suspected DUI.

33 posted on 01/17/2012 5:37:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Fishtalk

The whole country will look at this and say “Romney is too slick ~ he cheats”.


34 posted on 01/17/2012 5:39:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; trumandogz

Please explain to me where fraud occurred. Explain to me where cheating occurred. How was it facilitated?

Romney observed the requirements to certify, and the other players didn’t. How is that evidence of cheating, fraud, or anything else?

If you can explain how you think Virginia and Romney conspired to deny other people a spot on the ballot clearly enough, I would agree with you.

Absent that, I think Trumandogz has it right here.

How would you like it if your candidate played by the rules, he was the only one to get on the ballot, and then the federal government stepped in and said the others didn’t have to comply with the rules as your candidate did?

Isn’t that what is taking place here, only in reverse?


35 posted on 01/17/2012 5:39:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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To: fatnotlazy

One way or another, we need to push on PACs of DeMint or someone wlse, because hopefully we can get a Congress in place to oppose whomever is in the oval office.

We could oppose Romney to some extent in office, and the GOP congressional members wouldn’t like him all too much. We could also support Santorum or Demint, or possibly even Bobby Jindal to ultimately start kicking Romney’s rear. As for Obama, the man has already descended into a state of being nigh impossible to reason with, even with bipartisan opposition to some of his bills, he can’t get a clue as to what he is doing. Extra time in office would only make him devolve further.


36 posted on 01/17/2012 5:40:44 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Fishtalk

I am not claiming that the Virgina GOP did not establish a stupid rule and the legislature did not approve a stupid law. Nor I am I claiming that better candidates than Romney are being hurt by the Va GOP rule.

However, you look like a damn fool when you write about the importance of the 10th Amendment and States’s Rights and then run to a Federal Court begging for them to overturn a state election law..


37 posted on 01/17/2012 5:43:16 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Quicksilver

Gingrich and Perry not ending up on the ballot is the fault of nobody else but themselves. If they actually had a plan, or a brain, they would have been demanding signatures in advance. However, because they didn’t think about Virginia, they torpedoed their own chance of being a possible win in those primaries. As much as I dislike Romney, it’s sad when he actually has enough of a brain to call up potential voters in Virginia while Newt and Perry don’t. If Newt had any brain in his skull, he should have actually bothered throwing support behind Santorum with an endorsement earlier on.

The part that reeks the most is the fact that Gingrich and Perry almost practically set up Romney to win with their own failure to plan, or planning to fail, depending on how it’s said.


38 posted on 01/17/2012 5:46:34 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: newzjunkey; trumandogz
I seriously doubt trumandogz has the brilliance to understand this process.

The only choice for Romney is to have his petitions validated, or to simply drop out of the Virginia primary.

39 posted on 01/17/2012 5:48:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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40 posted on 01/17/2012 5:49:47 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: trumandogz
The 14th amendment covers this situation quite well.

You are beginning to sound like an unreconstructed Souvrn'r or somebody who wants to embarrass the South.

The only issue of importance here is my right to chose from among the most notable Republican candidates if I so wish.

That's been denied. There are people who played tricks to reach this end. One of them is the Lt. Governor of Virginia.

And then there are the dead people ~ we'll never get to hear what they said about the signature verification processes they participated in.

41 posted on 01/17/2012 5:51:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: newzjunkey

What rules were changed and were the rules changed to specifically deny certain candidates due process?

What government official or agency changed these rules?


42 posted on 01/17/2012 5:52:39 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: newzjunkey

Newt didn’t plan for Virginia, therefore he planned to fail. If one actually started calling in for signatures 1 to 3 months before the deadline, that person could have made it, even if it was Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich’s failure says a lot about him. Seriously, a man who was once a speaker of the house now can’t bother actually planning his own campaign trail as well as a RINO can? What’s this all coming too? Are the GOP all a bunch of Romney supporters, or are they really this pathetic at organizing themselves? Gingrich should have quit and endorsed Santorum, but now the Putz practically handed the primaries over to Romney, who will have no problem saying, “Hey, Gingrich is all talk, remember how he couldn’t prepare himself for the Virginia ballot, and I won by default?” Even worse if you can imagine Romney’s voice saying these exact words.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 5:53:26 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: newzjunkey

Newt didn’t plan for Virginia, therefore he planned to fail. If one actually started calling in for signatures 1 to 3 months before the deadline, that person could have made it, even if it was Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich’s failure says a lot about him. Seriously, a man who was once a speaker of the house now can’t bother actually planning his own campaign trail as well as a RINO can? What’s this all coming too? Are the GOP all a bunch of Romney supporters, or are they really this pathetic at organizing themselves? Gingrich should have quit and endorsed Santorum, but now the Putz practically handed the primaries over to Romney, who will have no problem saying, “Hey, Gingrich is all talk, remember how he couldn’t prepare himself for the Virginia ballot, and I won by default?” Even worse if you can imagine Romney’s voice saying these exact words.


44 posted on 01/17/2012 5:53:51 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: muawiyah

How is this a 14th Amendment case?

“The only issue of importance here is my right to chose from among the most notable Republican candidates if I so wish.”

You have no right under the Constitution to vote in a Republican Primary.


45 posted on 01/17/2012 5:57:46 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: Morpheus2009
There's a standard for validation. In every previous year the party did not actually validate the petitions. This year they decided to set a numeric standard which, if met, would exempt you from validation. The other petitions would need to be validated.

The officials waited until Romney submitted his petitions before they set the numeric standard for exemption. It was just below the number Romney's people submitted.

WOW!

That's the kind of koinkydink that will, of course, ultimately send somebody to prison.

The state law standard was 10,000 signatures. The practice was no validation.

The new rule, the 15,000 signature exception, was established AFTER the process of collecting signatures.

The consequence is this, the Republican party said it's running a primary. Instead they are running nominating petition contests.

If they want to do that there's a law already there for it, or for a caucus. We, the voters can deal with the party geeks on that basis if they want but they should announce the way we are going to select candidates, not play tricky dicky wicky when it's too late. Now they've expanded the primary internal nomination process to the point where it can be unfairly manipulated to destroy the primary just as if the only thing that counts in this state anymore are the choices of random people stopped in parking lots.

That's what we had back in the bad old days when the Byrd Machine ruled Virginia politics with an iron hand.

It's so undemocratic it has become UNAMERICAN! It's advocates should be tarred, feathered, and ridden out of the state on a rail.

46 posted on 01/17/2012 6:02:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: trumandogz
There's a state law. It has to do with selection of electors to vote for candidates for the Presidency.

End of discussion. If you don't understand the federal republic there's no sense trying to talk with you about the issue.

In any case, theft, murder and conversion are ALL against even Virginia law whether or not you believe that.

47 posted on 01/17/2012 6:04:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis

ICBW, but I think Romney is the only one that made it without an actual verification because he had >= 15,000 signatures. Paul had just under the magic number, but had enough qualifying signatures by verification.


48 posted on 01/17/2012 6:05:36 PM PST by Quicksilver (nominate Rick Perry - defeat Obama - overhaul Washington!)
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To: Morpheus2009
You sound so IGNANT it's pitiful. Virginia has the toughest rules for petitions for getting on a primary ballot.

They stand separate and apart from systems used elsewhere in this country. Whereas it should be relatively easy for Virginia (given its location) to attract major candidates to campaign here in Presidential primaries, we are actually just a dog hole. There's no reason for anyone to come here ~ not even state residents running for President.

49 posted on 01/17/2012 6:07:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Quicksilver; Diogenesis
Several candidates had more than the10,000 required by state law. One guy had enough, 15,000, that the party elected to not validate them. The others were reviewed for legitimacy.

Given the way this was worked there's no reason whatsoever to believe that Romney had enough signatures to qualify.

We could chose at caucuses ~ we could use petitions like we did back when there really was only a very small Republican party.

This system mixes things up and opens the doors for widespread fraud by elementally DISHONEST people ~ e.g. the Mittbots.

50 posted on 01/17/2012 6:11:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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