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Judge in Obama citizenship lawsuit orders man who sued to pay Democratic Party's lawyer, court fees
The Birmingham News ^ | 17 Jan 2012 | Eric Velasco

Posted on 01/17/2012 3:59:13 PM PST by bushpilot1

The Jefferson County judge who dismissed a Luverne man's lawsuit to block President Obama from Alabama ballots today also ordered him to pay the state Democratic Party's court costs and lawyer fees within 45 days.

Lawyers for Mark Kennedy, the state party chairman, sought the sanctions in a motion his lawyers filed last week filed last week in the suit filed by Harold Sorensen.

But one of the lawyers said during a hearing today that party officials would not try to collect if Sorensen does not file any similar lawsuits during the 2012 election cycle.

"The Democratic Party has no desire to chase after a retired military man to collect," Barry Ragsdale, one of Kennedy's lawyers, told Circuit Judge Helen Shores Lee.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: al; birther; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: bushpilot1

Wow...inquire about the 1 at your own risk...


2 posted on 01/17/2012 4:02:16 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: bushpilot1

More “no controlling legal authority”


3 posted on 01/17/2012 4:03:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: bushpilot1

As long as Barry doesn’t have to produce a $12 PAPER non-redacted Long Form Birth Certificate.

But he enjoys this stuff.

Then again, Neil Abercrombie couldn’t find one, either.

He said “it’s written down in the archives”. Well, how official /s


4 posted on 01/17/2012 4:04:20 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: chris37

The court chickened out. What you want to bet all courts in the state would chicken out. Nobody wants to own the hot potato of vetting the eligibility of a candidate.


5 posted on 01/17/2012 4:04:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: bushpilot1

Keep an eye on this judge’s driveway. You will probably see a new Ferrari there in a couple of weeks.....

Your “stimulus” dollars at work for America.


6 posted on 01/17/2012 4:05:07 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: bushpilot1
Can this person appeal, saying it's an unconstitutional retaliation for trying to exercise his 1st amendment right "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances?"

-PJ

7 posted on 01/17/2012 4:06:01 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: bushpilot1

8 posted on 01/17/2012 4:09:00 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: bushpilot1
"The court has no jurisdiction to hear this matter," she said.

WHO DOES??? One of the main reasons I am a birther (or more accurately, a NBC'er). EVERYONE DUCKS THE ISSUE and as far as I am concerned, that is more than enough smoke to deduce there is fire.

9 posted on 01/17/2012 4:11:04 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: Political Junkie Too

In State court? Good luck with that.


10 posted on 01/17/2012 4:11:32 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: chris37

Well, isn’t THAT special!


11 posted on 01/17/2012 4:13:59 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: chris37
Circuit Judge Helen Shores Lee

As someone said before, this circuit judge is the biggest liberal on the bench where she is from.

12 posted on 01/17/2012 4:16:59 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: bushpilot1

Gingrich is right.

Haul these left-wing Marxist judges before a congressional committee and make them dance on the head of a pin.

The Founders never intended that these lawyers should have the last word on what is constitutional. Impeach these SOBs, get a rope and hang them from their heels.

They have no respect for the rule of law and neither should we for their rulings on law.

How many divisions do lawyers sitting on benches have?


13 posted on 01/17/2012 4:17:31 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yeah, but it’s one thing to chicken out, this court took the additional step of bullying this poor guy.

Dunno what to say about this anymore other time to vote this steaming turd OUT!


14 posted on 01/17/2012 4:17:40 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Could be there are some existing federal laws regarding the use of bribes or cash inducements in regard to lawsuits focused on federal voting rights.

As soon as Holder's out of there someone should keep this one in mind for some prosecutions.

15 posted on 01/17/2012 4:22:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FReepers
THIS IS A WAR! Help FR ..click the pic ..thank you!

16 posted on 01/17/2012 4:23:58 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
For three years now I have been telling y'all--this is a moot issue. No court will touch it. Save your breath and your money.
17 posted on 01/17/2012 4:25:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 1rudeboy
In State court? Good luck with that.

I thought that the 1st amendment had been incorporated against the states, but Wikipedia says that the right to petition for redress is only suggested based on some cases.

-PJ

18 posted on 01/17/2012 4:26:09 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: NonValueAdded; sergeantdave
Lee explained in detail to Sorensen today why she dismissed his suit, citing the state law that strips courts of jurisdiction over election-related challenges unless another law specifically grants the courts that power.

Take the issue to where the Constitution places it, the State legislatures.

19 posted on 01/17/2012 4:26:46 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=12914


20 posted on 01/17/2012 4:27:46 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: TLI
Of course.
He knew he had lost the case as soon as he walked into the courtroom.
21 posted on 01/17/2012 4:30:57 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: chris37
All I can say is there is going to be a lot of counter suits filed if the lid ever blows off this pressure cooker. Orly can start with her $20,000 dollar sanctions fine she got in Georgia. I believe the Georgia judge was the one who said that twittering was an effective way to vet presidential candidates.
22 posted on 01/17/2012 4:31:20 PM PST by iontheball
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To: Red Steel

If you look at her background, this “judge” graduated from the Valerie Jarrett School of Public Service.


23 posted on 01/17/2012 4:31:47 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: chris37

The Democrats drove Sarah Palin from office with endless suits. They all proved friviolous. No penalties were enacted against the Democrat plaintiffs. Now the show on the other foot works just opposit. At some point justice comes from the barrel of a gun.


24 posted on 01/17/2012 4:32:58 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: chris37

But one of the lawyers said during a hearing today that party officials would not try to collect if Sorensen does not file any similar lawsuits during the 2012 election cycle.

“The Democratic Party has no desire to chase after a retired military man to collect,”

Unspoken:
“Unless of course he decides to buck the party again,
then we’ll take everything he has.”


25 posted on 01/17/2012 4:33:53 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sergeantdave

“The Founders never intended that these lawyers should have the last word on what is constitutional”

Sure they did. Check out Federalist 78. Hamilton is pretty clear that the courts were the branch in which that power was vested.


26 posted on 01/17/2012 4:39:03 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: bushpilot1; chris37; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; ...
I'll get you my pretty...

Ping

27 posted on 01/17/2012 4:40:15 PM PST by null and void (Day 1092 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“At some point justice comes from the barrel of a gun.”

The Founders figured that out at the Old North Bridge.

Where our bridge might be is still not known, but it’s coming into view.

Washington hasn’t been this afraid since the British were in power in 1775.


28 posted on 01/17/2012 4:43:53 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: chris37
"Wow...inquire about the 1 at your own risk..."

He didn't inquire. He sued.

29 posted on 01/17/2012 4:46:07 PM PST by mlo
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To: tet68

I notice the democrat party had no problem with Obama throwing an active military surgeon in jail for 6 months and making him lose his savings, livelihood, and pension simply because he wanted an answer as to whether Obama can lawfully be the commander in chief.


30 posted on 01/17/2012 4:46:44 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

We are definitely headed in that direction at alarming speed.


31 posted on 01/17/2012 4:50:41 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

the fix is in


32 posted on 01/17/2012 4:56:55 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chris37

I get the funny feeling she might have voted, for Obama.


33 posted on 01/17/2012 4:57:56 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: chris37
RAD T
HELL


34 posted on 01/17/2012 4:57:56 PM PST by null and void (Day 1092 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Political Junkie Too

The right of redress is in there. But there is no requirement that they MUST respond.


35 posted on 01/17/2012 4:58:33 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: NonValueAdded

She be lying and hopefully she be going to jail.


36 posted on 01/17/2012 4:58:45 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: null and void

Exactly right, and that bus is being driven by Lucifer himself.


37 posted on 01/17/2012 5:02:28 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: TLI

Seems like providing a $12 paper Long Form Birth Certificate to all 57 (ahem) states wouldn’t be that expensive or difficult.

Odd, since there is no problem, as we’ve been told.


38 posted on 01/17/2012 5:08:33 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: null and void

Judge Helen Shores Lee was born in Birmingham, Alabama to Arthur & Theodora Shores. She has been married to Robert M. Lee, Sr., for forty-seven years. ...
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Judge Helen Shores Lee, right, of Alabama, speaks with Palm Beach State College student Jennifer Oakes, of Palm Springs, at the Palm Beach County Bar Association’s annual Law Day Luncheon Friday at the Marriott in West Palm Beach. Lee encouraged Oakes to follow her dream of becoming a lawyer. Lee, daughter of pioneering attorney Arthur Davis Shores, spoke as part of Law Week.

Growing up in Birmingham, Ala., in the 1950s, Helen Shores Lee faced a constant tug-of-war between what she was told to do and what she wanted to do.

Judge Lee became a judge in Jefferson County in January of 2003. Judge Lee is a graduate of Fisk University (B.A. - 1962) and the Cumberland School of Law at Samford University (J.D. - 1987); she worked as a clinical psychologist (1971 - 1987) before becoming a judge. Judge Lee is active in the American Bar Association, the Alabama State Bar, the Birmingham Bar Association, and the Magic City Bar Association.
39 posted on 01/17/2012 5:16:16 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Publius Valerius

“Sure they did. Check out Federalist 78. Hamilton is pretty clear that the courts were the branch in which that power was vested.”

To hell with Federalist 78, and screw Hamilton and the horse he rode in on.

The Founders clearly gave the House the power of impeachment, establishing the courts and controlling the court’s purse strings.

The House has the power to crush the judiciary whenever it wants. Assuming, of course, that we can find House members with the stones to turn the situation around.

If not, let’s find out how many generals and divisions the black-robed Marxists have.


40 posted on 01/17/2012 5:19:15 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

That wasn’t the question, and it was also Hamilton’s point as to WHY the power of constitutional review lies in the judiciary and not with the other branches.

In any event, I am not sure as to what you mean by “turn the situation” around. Are you seriously taking the position that this guy shouldn’t have been sanctioned?


41 posted on 01/17/2012 5:23:40 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: EagleUSA

Yeah for black America. She isn’t fit for the job.


42 posted on 01/17/2012 5:29:46 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: chris37

Since they are Democrats, they should not mind being paid off in Confederate money.


43 posted on 01/17/2012 5:40:39 PM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: Publius Valerius

“That wasn’t the question...”

You don’t get to define “the question.”

We’re talking about the power of the court. Remember?

Refute my contention that the House has the power to reign in the court, always, at any time and whenever the House wants to, according to the Constitution.


44 posted on 01/17/2012 5:43:48 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: TLI

That’s the judge?


45 posted on 01/17/2012 6:16:40 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

As Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz said...Who needs the voters? We’ve got the courts!


46 posted on 01/17/2012 6:24:11 PM PST by MMinOH
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To: TribalPrincess2U

As Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz said...Who needs the voters? We’ve got the courts!


47 posted on 01/17/2012 6:24:15 PM PST by MMinOH
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To: Brown Deer
She got her law degree at "Cumberland School of Law at Samford and Son University (J.D. - 1987)"

Fixed it.

48 posted on 01/17/2012 6:28:11 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anybody but Hussein)
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To: Publius Valerius
Are you seriously taking the position that this guy shouldn’t have been sanctioned?

Sanctioned for excercising his rights as a United States Citizen? Really, are you serious?
49 posted on 01/17/2012 6:52:05 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
She has been married to Robert M. Lee, Sr., for forty-seven years.

Well, it's a good thing she didn't marry Robert E. Lee.

50 posted on 01/17/2012 7:09:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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