Skip to comments.Perry Draws Attention to Santorumís Catholicism (in fairness more to his vote on Sotomayor]
Posted on 01/18/2012 2:09:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
"Heres the quotation thats getting the most attention:
Rick Santorum is a good man. He is a good father. He is a good Catholic. But he hasnt always been a good conservative. And I make exceptions with his vote for Sonya Sotomayor as a for instance. That is a really liberal jurist that he helped put on track to become a Supreme Court jurist back when he voted to allow her to be on the Appellate Court. I mean, she is pro-abortion, would be my estimation of that. I mean, Obama is a very liberal president and she is reflective of his philosophy. So, I mean, there were 29 conservatives that voted against her. People like Strom Thurmond and Rick voted for her. So the idea that, you know, he is a pure social conservative, this flies right in the face of it
On the fiscal side, Rick, he has a horrid record when it comes to earmarks and defending spending. The idea that you can vote for all those earmarks and call yourself a fiscal conservative is just ludicrous on its face. That is why we have a tea party today.
So like I said, good man, good father and husband, good Catholic, but not always a good conservative.
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She’s an authoritarian-friendly judge who once ruled that a school could punish a student for criticizing the school on her own time and own website. Of course “cultural conservatives” would support her.
Appearing before the racist group La Raza like he did, and not only that, what he said to them in his pandering speech, and his relationship with Juan Hernandez who was illegal alien advisor to Juan McCain's 2008 campaign, and that Gov. Perry comment in one of the earlier debates that we are all heartless if we want to crack down on illegal aliens, to me those also strike me as being not necessarily "good conservatism" but rather of Lindsay Graham-ism of the worst kind. Granted, I am not behind every single vote of Sen. Santorum, for sure, but I know hypocritical comments when I see them, and just now, we saw one.
“Governor Rick Perry, God bless his heart, really should steer clear of the issue of hypocrisy for political gain. I hesitate to say it, but he should watch it when he accuses people of not being “good conservatives”.
Appearing before the racist group La Raza like he did, and not only that, what he said to them in his pandering speech, and his relationship with Juan Hernandez who was illegal alien advisor to Juan McCain’s 2008 campaign, and that Gov. Perry comment in one of the earlier debates that we are all heartless if we want to crack down on illegal aliens, to me those also strike me as being not necessarily “good conservatism” but rather of Lindsay Graham-ism of the worst kind. Granted, I am not behind every single vote of Sen. Santorum, for sure, but I know hypocritical comments when I see them, and just now, we saw one. “
Amen to that. Both Governor Perry and Senator Santorum have their good points, and their weak points. Thus, the proverbial people in glass houses come to mind. While the senator has made decisions I do not approve of, at the moment, he is the better choice for me. We still have time yet, and the race may yet develop more interesting parties. No fait accompli.
You’re right, he’s being a hypocrit. They’re both for an overreaching government that controls you, for the greater collective good, and neither one is for preserving the limited constitutional form of government (exactly what a “conservative” conserves). Both are liberals that will be knocked out of the race by Florida, and I couldn’t be happier.
Texas can keep thie Perry, and PA didn’t even want Santorum (When incumbents are almost ALWAYS re-elected). No thanks on either one. There’s enough liberals in “Republican” clothing as it is.
Just curious. Are you going Constitution Party or Libertarian Party?
Great so now he’s dissing Strom Thurmond in SC.
South Carolina has very few Catholics, which is why Perry repeatedly refers to Santorum as a “good Catholic.”
“South Carolina has very few Catholics, which is why Perry repeatedly refers to Santorum as a good Catholic”
And Perry is still losing to 2 Catholics and a Mormon.
Santorum does, also. How would we know if he doesn’t say it himself?
Pandering? Hardly! He told them where he stands.
Gov Rick Perry spoke to LaRaza about the drug cartels, shared responsibility of border security and that it is Washington's responsibility to secure the border -- that the Federal government should support the military, deliver the mail and secure the border -- and they aren't doing their job. [HE RECEIVED a lot of applause] He spoke of the money Texas spends securing the border, that it must be sealed and then we can sustain legitimate commerce...He told about protecting the sanctity of the vote and strengthening our shared values, family, faith, hard work -- they are TEXAS values and we should unite as citizen's of one Nation under God and concentrate on what unites us.
Depends. I’d vote for Newt in the GE, but if he’s not the nominee, I’d have to look at all the other parties. Constitution Party most aligns with my values, but I always look at every candidate on a ballot (The sample ballot they send), research the ones I haven’t heard of, and pick my candidate or choose a write-in. I will never, ever, vote again for someone I don’t believe in, I have only ever once (McCain/Palin), because A) I like Palin, and B) Everyone said on FR that if we didn’t vote for McCain, we’d get Obama. Well, we got Obama, so now I don’t care what anyone thinks.
We were warned against a two party system, and now we’re down to a two-headed one party system. I don’t vote for anyone I don’t think would use their office to do the most to restore a Constitutional Republic. I think Newt is maturing to be more conservative with age, that generally happens that way.
In any event, I actually do my civic duty and study out all candidates, and choose the best one. There’s none that are great in the GOP field, but some are ok, and some are disasterous. The problem is the gang-mentality “My team, your team, mentality” (In-group/out-group, dynamics) which I thoroughly understand. It’s the same gang mentality preached in public education that leads to sports groupies that feel like their part of the team. Bread and circuses work real well, and political theater is included in that.
I refuse to support someone because they’re “not as bad as” —blank—, the lesser of two evils, or simply because I’m going to to spite someone else. I’ve written that many times last election. People who get sucked into the “We can’t have person x, so vote for person y, even if you don’t agree, just because we need to not have person x” are misguided. In that scenario, I don’t want either, and I refuse to play that game anymore.
he just jumped the shark in SC describing Strom Thurman as anything but a staunch Conservative.. atta boy Perry brilliant political tactic there I tell ya
don’t hold your breath for a surge in the polls
and since he’s so desperate to go back a decade or more maybe Santorum should bring up Perry being an enthusiastic Democrat supporter of Al Gore
Your getting your LaRaza groups mixed up.
The one Perry talked to does not believe in Reconquista.
You are referring to Raza Unida which has nothing to do with NCLR.
Here are some facts and you can research to find out for yourself at the NCLR website:
Some critics mistakenly assert that activist Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez was a founder of NCLR.
In fact, while Gutierrez was a key player in a number of Mexican American organizations, including the Mexican American Youth Organization (MAYO), the Brown Berets, and the Raza Unida Political Party, he never had any connection to NCLR.
Indeed Jose Angel Gutierrez himself has articulated a clear distinction between himself and his allies and NCLR, an organization he criticizes as being cautious and careful.
misconception about NCLR is the allegation that we support a Reconquista, or the right of Mexico to reclaim land in the southwestern United States.
NCLR has not made and does not make any such claim; indeed, such a claim is so far outside of the mainstream of the Latino community that we find it incredible that our critics raise it as an issue.
NCLR has never supported and does not endorse the notion of a Reconquista or Aztlán. Similarly, NCLRs critics falsely claim that the statement Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada, [For the community everything, outside the community nothing] is NCLRs motto.
NCLR unequivocally rejects this statement.
Many people incorrectly translate our name, La Raza, as the race. While it is true that one meaning of raza in Spanish is indeed race, in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, La Raza means the people or the community. Translating our name as the race is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.
I’m surprised that while he was at it, he didn’t mention that Mitt’s a “good Mormon”, though not very conservative. I mean, I’m sure it was just coincidence that he said this in a heavily evangelical state.
Poor Al. Even Tipper (after watching him sink into such depths of destruction) left him.
Rick Perry answering a question about Al Gore:
In 1988, you supported Al Gore's presidential campaign. Why?
In that group, he was by far the most conservative Democrat. But between Ronald Reagan and seeing what the Democrat Party was becoming, I came to the conclusion in 1989 that I needed to become a Republican. [Perry had voted for Ronald Reagan]
Have you seen the film An Inconvenient Truth?
Have you read the book?
No. I generally don't watch or read a lot of fiction.
Many believe global warming caused the wildfires in your state. What do you think?
Historically in Texas, we've always had substantial periods of drought. World temperatures have also been changing for millennia. I truly believe the science is not settled on the issue of man-made global warming.
I find it interesting that you went to college to be a veterinarian.
And organic chemistry made a pilot out of me. [laughs] After 16 hours of organic chemistry, they pointed out to me that I probably didn't want to be a veterinarian.
So would it be fair to say that you and science don't get along so well?
No. After I graduated college, I had a year of the most technical aerodynamics and physics that you need to be an air force pilot. They weren't cream-puff studies. I have a pretty good handle on science from that perspective."....Source **********************************************
..Gore won a seat in Congress in 1976 "with 32 percent of the vote, three percentage points more than his nearest rival." He won the next three elections in 1978, 1980, and 1982 where "he was unopposed twice and won 79 percent of the vote the other time."
In 1984, Gore successfully ran for a seat in the U.S. Senate, which had been vacated by Republican Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker. He was "unopposed in the Democratic Senatorial primary and won the general election going away," despite the fact that Republican President Ronald Reagan swept Tennessee in his reelection campaign the same year.
Rick Perry worked on Al Gore's Texas bid for votes in the 1988 Democratic Party Primary that Michael Dukakus won.
......."During his time in Congress, [Al] Gore opposed federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns. His position shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000 Source
Gore his wife led the charge on putting warning labels on records back in the 1980s. In fact, Gore had an 84% pro-life record back in the 1980s: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Al_Gore According to ontheissues.org -- Gore had an 84% anti-abortion voting record and voted pro-life 27 times. Evolving Gore
Rick Perry started as a Democrat in West Texas (essentially THE only party). He served in the Texas legislature - was known as one of the "pit bulls," conservative members who sat in the lower pit of the House Appropriations Committee and bitterly fought spending increases.
Perry changed parties in 1989, joining Phil Gramm and other conservative Texas Democrats, who now had a true ideological party with a burgeoning Texas GOP.
When Perry campaigned for Lt. Gov. , he and his campaign staff were in it to win and his hard-nosed style was against the "friendly" advice and request of GWB [in re-election bid for Texas Gov] and Rove to run easy against Sharp, a popular democrat (and Aggie friend of Perry's from their A&M years together). Rove wanted to broaden Bush's base for his upcoming White House run. Perry told them where to stick their advice, because he knew the voters would vote for Bush for Gov. and then cross back over and vote for Sharp (D) for Lt. Gov, if he just walked through the motions like the Bush-Rove team asked him to do.
Perry won the seat for Lt. Gov. -- the first Republican elected to that office since Reconstruction. Now 13 years later and into his 3rd term as Texas governor, the GOP holds a super majority. So Perry has earned his conservative spurs -- fighting both parties!
[The Bushes and Rove supported Kay Bailey Hutchison's primary challenge against Gov. Perry the 2010 election too]
Rick Perry: Al Gore's gone to Hell
Criticism over his vote (then) is valid.
As for Perry's criticism of Santorum's earmarking of funds to PA and his quote of "On the fiscal side, Rick, he has a horrid record", I find it laughable considering the source. The funds in question represent a small fraction of the overall budget, and were funds which were already targeted for spending. If Santorum hadn't earmarked those funds for PA, they would have gone elsewhere.
As for Perry complaining about this, I remind you that this is the same Governor who claims to have been critical of the Stimulus Program, yet was happy to accept funds and participate in that same program in order to attempt to balance the Texas budget. I say "attempt" as most already know that the Texas budget deficit (under Perry) has doubled.
Explain how Gov. Rick Perry has displayed he is, "for an overreaching government that controls you, for the greater collective good, and neither one is for preserving the limited constitutional form of government (exactly what a conservative conserves)?"
That is provably, patently false.
LOL nice try
Misfire: Romney Ad Targets Rick Perry's Jobs Record "I think it's safe to say the Romney campaign is going for the kill with its latest attack on Rick Perry. The former Massachusetts Governor has already gotten a fair amount of mileage out of attacking his Texan rival from the left on Social Security, and from the right on immigration, but this new spot strikes at the heart of the Perry campaign's raison detre -- jobs, jobs, jobs:
The spot's most striking image is a tumbleweed blowing along a deserted Texas highway. That's rich. It's intended to create the impression that Rick Perry's Texas is something of a depressed ghost town. Nothing could be further from the truth. Since the recession began, desperate job seekers have flocked to Texas at a clip of roughly 1,000 people per day [latest says it's increased to 1300/day]. And they're finding work, too. Despite a huge population influx and a bruising national recession, Texas' unemployment rate remains below the national average. How remarkable has the Lone Star State's economic performance been? Read this Political Math analysis (written by a self-professed non Perry supporter), and marvel. One telling data point:
Actually, I was quoting AmericanInTokyo. My comment was below that quote. Thank you, though.
“So, I mean, there were 29 conservatives that voted against her. People like Strom Thurmond and Rick voted for her.”
That should help him get below 5% of the vote in South Carolina.
Review his unconstitutional Executive orders, plain as day. I realize that you’re working overtime before he gets knocked out, but he’s still going down. This will be my last response to you on Perry. I realize you’re probably paid, and you merely cut and paste your talking points (I’ve seen hundreds of threads), I don’t have the time or inclination to respond you your propaganda. No thanks.
Perry is a better stand up comedian that he is a presidential candidate.
Perry, the Jedi: “This isn’t the La Raza you’re looking for.”
CW:”These aren’t the la Raza we’re looking for, move along.”
These are side-bar issues of little consequence.
Neither Perry nor Santorum will be the nominee. Their sniping at one another over meaningless matters (i.e. who is more conservative) only detracts from the central debate: who is the best candidate to defeat Obama?
It’s time to get focused: The ONLY issue that matters in November is getting Zero out of office.
.The Gardasil [cervical cancer] vaccine was recommended the FDAs vaccine approval committee, more than 6 months before Governor Perrys Executive Order. All girls who qualified for the Federal Vaccines for Children program were eligible to receive the vaccine free of charge: Medicaid, CHIPs, and uninsured or those with insurance that wont pay for vaccines. The Texas Legislature had previously delegated unconditional authority to mandate new vaccines to the Department of State Health Services, which is under Governor Perry and the Executive Branch. Source Gov. Perry's E.O. [opt out] also made all required vaccines easier to opt out of. The Legislature moved to kill the E.O. and Gov. Perry made no objection. No one was given the vaccine from the E.O.
Spoken like a true spinner who falls back on that MSM talking point when you can't make your case.
Sorry, but when a presidential candidate who claims to be a conservative goes to South Carolina and slams Strom Thurmond, that is funny.
AND find the conservative that will actually DO SOMETHING about the K-Street to Wall Street connection and roll back government.
Right now Rick Perry is the only outsider who can face Obama with the bright line of his record contrasted to Obama's.
The others all have long standing records as members of the House of Representatives, and those records speak volumes.
While the Texas unemployment rate has remained under the National average, strange times when a Governor is trumpeting as a success an unemployment rate over 8%.
Your reply was a dodge, and doesn’t justify the doubling of the Texas debt or the participation in the Stimulus Program as being “fiscally conservative”.
Did Sen. Strom Thurmond vote for Sonya Sotomayor?
He was full of a lot of surprises, wasn’t he?
Aw, don’t give her to much grief. The gravy train’s rolling to a stop. Think about it. What will his paid groupies do when Perry’s dead last in the next two primaries (if he makes it for two, which he probably won’t). He’s 3rd in even Texas, and has been at the tail there for months. They don’t even want him. I’m convinced some of his groupies are really just trying to get him out of Texas cause they don’t like.
More probably, he’s Mitt’s stalking horse. No one could be so stupid as to call us heartless bigots who don’t like his socialist subsidies to illegals as people who “don’t like the sound of [someone’s] last name.” Plus, he kept trying to hammer Romney on the false “You hired illegals” that blew up in his face. I’m not convinced that that wasn’t a concerted/staged question to get people to rally for Mitt, because of the sheer stupidity/absurdity of the claim. Maybe he IS working for Romney as so many have suggested.
What a moron.
Even stranger is this ridiculous idea that Governors make jobs. They cannot create a single job. They can only stop stomping on job producers. Politicans are the same as parents who’s kids get an A in school and then say “Look how many A’s I got.”
He may be third in Texas, but he just may come in second in the Paint Creek, Texas precinct.
Voting for Sotomayor is enough to turn me off. The balance on SCOTUS is critical and endangered, it can’t survive even a “moderate” appointment.
When you have 1300 people a day moving to your state and finding companies to give them jobs (close to half of all filled in other 49 states) during the Obama recession -- balance your budget -- cut state spending for the first time since WWII and see a HUGE rise in tax revenue, you're on the right track.
Rick Perry didn't set up this "stimulus" mess yet you want to blame him. The teachers' are furious because he used it to help balance the budget (much of it caused by the education spending black hole).
Try as you might you can not take the shine off the Perry Texas Record.
If you're selling this, you're a crack pot.
“More probably, hes Mitts stalking horse.”
That’s the only thing that makes sense as I have seen middle school student council campaigns that have been managed better.
And, you must remember that in 2008 Rick Perry endorsed Rudy Giuliani and Romney is this year’s Rudy.
There’s no “AND” about it.
Gotta get over the fact that Rick Perry is not going to be the nominee. He may be whatever you say he is but he’s not going anywhere but back to Texas.
The election in November is not a referendum on conservative values or outsider bona fides or who is Catholic or who voted for Sotomayor.
It is, first and foremost, about moving Obama on to the next phase of his life. Period.
No. You create an atmosphere where people will invest their money. Like Perry has done by rolling back regulations, moved against over-litigation, passed tort reform (fair and predictable taxes and regulations with the expectation they will improve even more) and has, is and will continue to challenge Federal agencies that are battling the right of Texas to control their own affairs.
You and JDW11235 make a nice anti-Perry tag-team.
A lot of Texas side-stepped McCain and/or supported Rudy in that primary election.
This is an interesting article about where Texas' campaign money and support was going in '08. Things just aren't back and white. Texas donors on fence for 2008 election
Rick Perry endorsed Rudy because of his strong prosecution record, his turn-around of NYC and his stand against our enemies in the WOT.
Yep, I’m pretty sure that he is Mitt’s stalking horse. You don’t get much more establishment, than being in BOTH parties (or two heads of the single party, if you will). Perry’s been playing both sides of the political fence for his entire adult life. I worked more in the private sector as a kid than he has his entire adult life.
“I have seen middle school student council campaigns that have been managed better.
Me too, and they didn’t have the audacity to call people heartless racists/bigots. But then again, they were trying to win, and it’s increasingly clear that he’s not.
Theres no AND about it.
Gotta get over the fact that Rick Perry is not going to be the nominee. He may be whatever you say he is but hes not going anywhere but back to Texas.
The election in November is not a referendum on conservative values or outsider bona fides or who is Catholic or who voted for Sotomayor.
It is, first and foremost, about moving Obama on to the next phase of his life. Period.
“He may be whatever you say he is but hes not going anywhere but back to Texas.”
I think that may be what they’re most afraid of, having him be honest (rather than the liar he is), and fulfill his term as Governor. The horror.
You give a whole lot of credit to Rick Perry for the Texas economy.
If that is the case are you also willing to give Houston Mayor Annise Parker credit since Houston has the fastest-growing economy in North America?
Rick Perry is supported by several decorated military heroes and wounded warriors.
Are they “paid”?
Lets have you blow them off and insult them like you do anyone who supports him.
Let’s hear it.
He served his country in the AF and left with Captain’s rank.
He farmed cotton as a tenant farmer with his dad...his dad flew 35 missions over Nazi Germany in 1944 as a Tailgunner in the B-17..., went to church like his mom told him to, and became an Eagle Scout.
He has a 60% approval rating in Texas as the Governor.
Got any true facts to back up your bile?
In a word, nope. Just a load of ugly spin.
And I don’t get paid a dime for supporting Rick Perry.
Sheriff Joe endorsed Rick Perry. Is HE “paid”?
Balony. He’s the Governor of Texas. They had their National convention in Texas and he accepted.
Do you criticize preachers who preach to sinners where they are?
Governor Perry didn’t join La Taxa. He didn’t praise them for their “sins.”
He didn’t change his positions when he spoke to them. He pointed out common ground and advocated cooperation where we agree
Perhaps he converted a few.
Nobody’s going to be paid by him soon. He’s about to jump out. He probably regrets saying he’d go to SC after his utter blowout in Iowa. Money didn’t buy him a slot there, and it’s surely not going to buy him a slot anywhere else. Get your “Welcome Back” signs out, it’s only days away.
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