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High-speed rail, the third-fastest way to Chicago!
pioneer press ^ | 1-18-12 | joe soucheray

Posted on 01/18/2012 7:48:57 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB

E.R. Companion, of Eagan, writing to the editor in Sunday's Pioneer Press, wondered why our elected officials would commit to spending billions of dollars for a so-called high-speed rail line from the Twin Cities to Chicago. (Well, because they're nuts.) Companion was referring to a story that appeared Jan. 12 featuring the idea that the Minnesota Department of Transportation has begun studying environmental impacts along the 400-mile route, which would take passengers to Chicago, through Milwaukee, in an advertised five hours and 30 minutes.

Companion wondered what was high-speed about that, and I could not agree more with his sentiment. Or maybe her sentiment.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Minnesota; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: boondoggle; chicago; debt; highspeed; illinois; minnesota; rail; spending; train; wgids; willie; wisconsin
it's boondogglicious!
1 posted on 01/18/2012 7:49:04 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Paging Willie Green


2 posted on 01/18/2012 7:52:17 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 22 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

High speed rail: It beats walking


3 posted on 01/18/2012 7:54:41 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: SamAdams76
High Speed to Insolvency-Why liberals love trains. http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/27/high-speed-to-insolvency.html

To progressives, the best thing about railroads is that people riding them are not in automobiles, which are subversive of the deference on which progressivism depends. Automobiles go hither and yon, wherever and whenever the driver desires, without timetables. Automobiles encourage people to think they—unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted—are masters of their fates. The automobile encourages people in delusions of adequacy, which make them resistant to government by experts who know what choices people should make.

Time was, the progressive cry was "Workers of the world unite!" or "Power to the people!" Now it is less resonant: "All aboard!"

-Will nails that one.

4 posted on 01/18/2012 7:56:45 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Great framing. "Third fastest." The same could be said about other "Highspeed" corridors like the ridiculous 3C corridor from Cleveland to Cincinnati.

looks good on a map except for one little thing... hardly anybody ever travels from Cleveland to Cincinnati or vice versa. And if they do, I-71 is faster, cheaper and more efficient.

5 posted on 01/18/2012 7:57:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This is as dumb as the Kalifornia Hi-Speed Rail project.
>Note that both are in Dumbocrat states with Union support.


6 posted on 01/18/2012 8:03:22 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The Milwaukee Road ran high speed passenger trains between the Twin Cities and Chicago until maybe 1950. The steam locomotives pulling these trains could cruise at 100 mph and had a top speed of 120.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/streamlined/scrapped/hiawatha-3.jpg

http://www.germansteam.co.uk/FastestLoco/fastestloco.html#MR1

Not a cent of tax money was required. The railroads found it profitable to invest in fast passenger trains in that era. It’s not profitable today.


7 posted on 01/18/2012 8:03:42 PM PST by Pelham (Vultures for Romney. We pluck your carcass)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Why would anyone in their right mind be in a hurry to get to Chicago?


8 posted on 01/18/2012 8:07:21 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Gosh I love Joe. I can’t believe I’ve been listening to him for 25 years.

Reusse too of cource. The two worst radio voices in history.


9 posted on 01/18/2012 8:10:43 PM PST by DManA
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Gosh I love Joe. I can’t believe I’ve been listening to him for 25 years.

Reusse too of cource. The two worst radio voices in history.


10 posted on 01/18/2012 8:10:52 PM PST by DManA
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Why would anyone in their right mind be in a hurry to get to Chicago?

If you lived in Detroit...

11 posted on 01/18/2012 8:15:25 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: TaMoDee
not quite that dumb. yet:

Mystery Train - How has California’s high-speed rail project survived for 14 years . . .?

http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/13/mystery-train

Meanwhile, the California Assembly still can’t figure out why California is broke!

12 posted on 01/18/2012 8:17:07 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The train offers me nothing, especially not ideologically, because I find the mindset behind most public transportation to be born of a collectivist mentality that I find antithetical to the reasons we are trying to get to places in America in the first place. We are a hustling country.

All hail the Flashlight King.

13 posted on 01/18/2012 8:17:30 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: WOBBLY BOB
We have rode the Coast Starlight a couple times (may as well, we subsidize it). It is not a terrible way to travel BUT we know if passengers had to pay the entire, true cost of the ride most of those passengers would vote with their feet - for something else.

The way I see it, taxpayer subsidized transit in all forms stifles the market. One can only wonder what better forms of transit would exist in a free and open market.

14 posted on 01/18/2012 8:26:34 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (We need to limit political office holders to two terms. One in office, and one in prison.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

How many billions of dollars to get there in 5 1/2 hours when you can fly it in an hour or drive it in 7 hours? The Democrats just love to flush money down the sewer.


15 posted on 01/18/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Intercity Bus holds some promise there. Gives that “leave the driving to us” factor that some of the commenters were commenting upon below the story.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 8:44:25 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Oh, the Calif ASSembly knows but thy just don’t give a frack.


17 posted on 01/18/2012 8:50:19 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Is Obama going to FORCE Wisconsin to build the slow speed rail? I hope not.


18 posted on 01/18/2012 8:52:23 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pelham; WOBBLY BOB

The Milwaukee Road ran high speed passenger trains between the Twin Cities and Chicago until maybe 1950

Right cities but rwo railroads. The Hiawatha (Burlington/Northern RR) (Diesel) and the 400 (Diesel) (NorthWestern RR) so named because it took 400 minutes (6.6 hours) between Chicago and the Twin Cities. Took the 400 often between a small town Adams WI and Chicago and was on its last run.. Great ride in luxury.

At the time beat the hell out of driving the 8 hours to get to either Chicago/Adams WI locations. If it was still around would use it because it equals todays driving time which is about 4 hours on Xways. BTW government regs lowered speeds to 78 mph on existing track most trains can run faster but I believe they are governerd


19 posted on 01/18/2012 8:52:39 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: NonValueAdded

There are already multiple bus runs between Minneapolis and Chicago already.


20 posted on 01/18/2012 8:57:24 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: okie01

Point taken!


21 posted on 01/18/2012 9:08:01 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: okie01

Point taken!


22 posted on 01/18/2012 9:08:10 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: mosesdapoet

The Hiawatha, at least the one photoed in my link, was pulled by an Atlantic class steam locomotive with a streamlined shroud, at least until the steamer was retired around 1950. That particular engine with its shroud looks very much like a diesel.

“BTW government regs lowered speeds to 78 mph on existing track most trains can run faster but I believe they are governed”

The high speed trains of the past ran on improved roadbed. That roadbed is expensive, and the RRs quit maintaining that quality of roadbed when they abandoned passenger service. Freight traffic doesn’t need it. Main lines that once featured 100+ mph express trains are now nowhere near the quality that they once were, they couldn’t support high speeds.

If RRs decided to bring back express passenger trains the effort would still be hampered by the lack of infrastructure that used to service rail travel. There was an entire system of private transportation geared towards getting people to and from railroad depots. It would come back if there was enough demand, but there might not be enough demand if the infrastructure didn’t first exist. Chicken and egg.

If I was Emperor we would have both magnificent train depots and steam locomotives, diesels be damned. A N&W Y6b is my idea of technology at its greatest.


23 posted on 01/18/2012 9:29:26 PM PST by Pelham (Vultures for Romney. We pluck your carcass)
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To: Thunder90

Damn it!!!!!!!!!

She should have kept her mouth shut.....now they will reduce the interstate speed to 55mph just so they can be right about rail being faster.


24 posted on 01/18/2012 9:39:22 PM PST by Puckster
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To: Pelham
Passenger rail has NEVER BEEN PROFITABLE!!! If you research it, the feds have always had to subsidize passenger service.

History lesson: The US Post Office paid for and operated a system of rail cars that would pick up, sort and drop off mail, while rolling, along all the major rail routes, nationwide. The railroads added passenger cars and sold tickets as an extra. Without the mail cars, they wouldn't have seen a profit. As mail delivery and handling switched from trains to central sorting and truck delivery, passenger rail died.

Ther local post office would sort mail to either east or west bound, and hang the bag out for the express to hook on the fly. Postal workers aboard the mail car would sort, bag and drop off bags, again on the fly, as they passed through the stations. (Remember Bugs and Yosemite Sam?) It was a wonder of logistics, when the Feds were still servants instead of our masters...

The commies, whose tiny little brains have an off switch that auto-engages at the word "profit," have never understood this. Hence, "high speed rail."

Mail traffic and freight service paid for those 100 mph steam engines. The freight trains loaded with grain from the elevators in the Twin Cities were what turned a profit for the Milwaukee Road.

25 posted on 01/18/2012 9:51:49 PM PST by jonascord (Political euthanasia would benefit the species...)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; All

As a railfan, passenger trainswill never be as popular as it is in other parts of the world. I would love to see a privatize AMTRAK, with trains across THEUSA.


26 posted on 01/18/2012 9:54:25 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: jonascord

RPO certainly helped pay the bills but I seriously doubt that it was the reason RRs ran passenger service. For one thing the PO had to resort to using buses in the 30s because RRs were dropping passenger trains due to a lack of riders during the Depression. Had RPO been the driving financial factor the trains could have continued to run as a one car train.


27 posted on 01/18/2012 10:10:22 PM PST by Pelham (Vultures for Romney. We pluck your carcass)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Easy way to get libs to forget about HSR..just tell them the rails will be made from Reardon metal..


28 posted on 01/18/2012 10:46:10 PM PST by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: jonascord

“Mail traffic and freight service paid for those 100 mph steam engines. The freight trains loaded with grain from the elevators in the Twin Cities were what turned a profit for the Milwaukee Road.”

100 mph locomotives weren’t the greatest expense for a RR, high speed roadbed was. Mail couldn’t possibly cover the cost of either of them and grain shipments didn’t need them.

Railroads invested in improved roadbed and high speed locomotives for mainlines between major cities where they had high volumes of passenger traffic. RRs had a monopoly on travel in the first half of the 20th century. Cross country highways were primitive to non-existent and air travel barely existed. RRs made plenty of money on passenger service and when they didn’t they abandoned it.

RRs made enough money on passenger service to build grand union stations, to support Harvey Houses, to employ an army of Redcaps and porters, to modernize passenger cars.


29 posted on 01/18/2012 10:55:08 PM PST by Pelham (Vultures for Romney. We pluck your carcass)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

As things stand now, the train will run from the Twin Cities to the northern Wisconsin border and then resume on the Illinois side of the southern border ...


30 posted on 01/19/2012 2:25:06 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: DManA

I cut my teeth reading Soucheray’s columns in the Trib almost 35 years ago. He was right about the Hump Dome then just as he is about the rail line now.

I’m long since moved from the area but for some time I continued to check in on Joe via internet.

But then the station bosses screwed with the format & scheduling and I lost track of his Garage Logic show.

Can you tell me if/when it on these days?

Not only one of the worst voices on radio but Joe’s squeaking mule laugh has to be the worst in human history.

lol


31 posted on 01/19/2012 3:13:57 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: okie01
If you lived in Detroit...

...and planned on not returning.A number of years ago one of the airlines here in Detroit ran flights from Detroit to Chicago for about $45.00......I don't know if they still do since I've never known anyone who ever took advantage of it.

32 posted on 01/19/2012 3:44:18 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Wisconsin high Speed Rail Ping

If you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list, just FReep Mail me and it shall be done.


33 posted on 01/19/2012 4:32:35 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Now a high speed train AWAY from Chicago might make sense...;-)


34 posted on 01/19/2012 4:35:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m all for the train if tying the politicians to the tracks is part of the package...move your head, Rahm...I want to put a penny on the rail.../s


35 posted on 01/19/2012 4:47:08 AM PST by AnTiw1
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Why would anyone in their right mind be in a hurry to get to Chicago?

Umm, to get it over with as soon as possible?

≤}B^)

36 posted on 01/19/2012 7:59:23 AM PST by Erasmus (Singing: "Zhivago, Zhivago, you come when I'm sick...")
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To: mosesdapoet
The Hiawatha (Burlington/Northern RR)

(cough)Milwaukee Road(cough)

37 posted on 01/19/2012 8:06:46 AM PST by Erasmus (Singing: "Zhivago, Zhivago, you come when I'm sick...")
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To: Erasmus

The Hiawatha (Burlington/Northern RR)
(cough)Milwaukee Road(cough)

(harumph) The North Shore Line route of the “Electroliners” frozen out by being prohibited from using Chicago elevated line trackage (ahem)


38 posted on 01/19/2012 12:50:30 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks WOBBLY BOB.
Twin Cities to Chicago... 400-mile route... through Milwaukee, in an advertised five hours and 30 minutes.

39 posted on 01/19/2012 4:53:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: mosesdapoet
(harumph) The North Shore Line route of the “Electroliners” frozen out by being prohibited from using Chicago elevated line trackage (ahem)

(sigh)Something like that happened to the Chicago Aurora and Elgin when they ripped up the west side Chicago trackage which had provided direct access to downtown, in order to build the Congress (later the Eisenhower) expressway. I only got to ride it a few times before that happened. It had been very convenient to walk out the second-story front door of the Wells Street terminal of the CA&E directly onto the Loop L platform.(sniff)

40 posted on 01/22/2012 12:06:35 AM PST by Erasmus (Singing: "Zhivago, Zhivago, you come when I'm sick...")
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