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If Rick Santorum won Iowa, why is GOP calling it a 'split decision'?
Reuters via CSMonitor ^ | January 19, 2012 | Reuters

Posted on 01/19/2012 8:26:06 AM PST by Qbert

The Iowa Republican Party will certify this month's presidential caucuses as a split decision between former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, citing missing data from eight precincts, the Des Moines Register reported on Thursday.

The party had previously awarded the contest to Romney, with an eight vote margin. The official certified caucus results are due out Thursday at 8:15 a.m. local time (1415 GMT).

The Register said the new count put Santorum ahead by 34 votes. However, results from any one of the eight precincts with "missing data" could hold an advantage for Romney, the Register reported.

"It's a split decision," the newspaper said, citing a party official in the state. There are too many holes in the certified total from the caucuses to know for certain who won, it said.

GOP officials discovered inaccuracies in 131 precincts, although not all the changes affected Romney or Santorum, the newspaper reported.

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"The Iowa caucuses, with record turnout, were a great start to defeating President Obama in Iowa and elsewhere in the general election."

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: establishment; ia2012; iowacaucus; romney; santorum; santorum2012; santorumwoniowa

"If Rick Santorum won Iowa, why is GOP calling it a 'split decision'?"

Because that's what Karl Rove instructed them to say...

1 posted on 01/19/2012 8:26:09 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

They lost votes so they’re calling it a tie? Has this ever happened before in any election held in the United States? Incredible. The banana republic, formerly known as the United States of America, rolls on.


2 posted on 01/19/2012 8:29:33 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Qbert

Because Newt Romney will provide the best scandals when it counts after the primaries. Santorum is boring to the media.


3 posted on 01/19/2012 8:29:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Qbert

Congrats, Ricky!

Poor Willard (About to go 1 for 3 this weekend - winning only his liberal home state of NH)


4 posted on 01/19/2012 8:33:16 AM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Perry 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Qbert

Oh, let’s just look at the sources here:

CSMonitor-Obama?

Al-Reuters, who embeds their reporters with al-Qaeda?

And of course, the GOP-E who desperately wants Willard to win so he can take a dive against the Kenyan Muslim?

Why, we can’t IMAGINE why they’d say such things.


5 posted on 01/19/2012 8:33:28 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Qbert

because romney won the majority of the news coverage that was wrong, and santorum will win the small bit that remains that is right.


6 posted on 01/19/2012 8:34:45 AM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Qbert

Just ask yourself this: Would it be called a “split decision” if Ron Paul or Sarah Palin had come in a close second to Milt, instead of Rick Santorum narrowly defeating him?


7 posted on 01/19/2012 8:37:05 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: vbmoneyspender

"They lost votes so they’re calling it a tie?"

And this is the state that gets the great honor of going first.

8 posted on 01/19/2012 8:37:43 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

So then, a 9 vote win by Romney over Santorum is a WIN for Romney, with Santorum in second place; but a 34 vote win by Santorum over Romney is a TIE between Romney and Santorum...

Got it!


9 posted on 01/19/2012 8:38:17 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Qbert
"If my man Mitt can't win in IA, then nobody will be allowed to. I will make sure of that."


10 posted on 01/19/2012 8:40:54 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Qbert

Because there are 8 precincts NOT REPORTING.
That’s why.

Also points out the tiny amount of votes in all of Iowa anyway. SC will have more voters Saturday than all of Iowa and NH combined by FAR.

8 votes, 34 votes, Iowa, a blue state. Does not matter.


11 posted on 01/19/2012 8:42:30 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Qbert

Because 8 more votes for your guy is a victory, but 34 more votes for the other guy is a split decision.

What will they say when Newt wins in S.C. even after tonights dirt dump?


12 posted on 01/19/2012 8:43:11 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: WayneS

"So then, a 9 vote win by Romney over Santorum is a WIN for Romney, with Santorum in second place; but a 34 vote win by Santorum over Romney is a TIE between Romney and Santorum...Got it!"

Exactly. Add this to the "truck" on caucus night that supposedly was brining more votes for Romney, the late night delay in counting votes, the fishy stuff going on with the Virginia ballots, etc., and it's obvious they're trying to steal this for Mittens.

13 posted on 01/19/2012 8:45:10 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Because the Establishment GOP are in the tank for Mittens! They “Lost” the ballots so they couldn’t be certified and hand a win to Santorum....So Mitt went out with the GOP stamp of approval and declared victory. I hope SC throws a big Monkey Wrench into the plans of the GOP bums that want Mitt!!


14 posted on 01/19/2012 8:45:54 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: Qbert

So what do you want them to call it?


15 posted on 01/19/2012 8:47:22 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Old Sarge
... the GOP-E who desperately wants Willard to win so he can take a dive against the Kenyan Muslim ..

Take a gander at McCain's opposition research from 2008 on Romney that got leaked yesterday. It pretty much sent me over the edge last night. How in the h.e.double L the GOP can run Romney as a Repub is beyond me ..... absolutely disgusting and then some (still mad about it). Obama will eviscerate him.

16 posted on 01/19/2012 8:48:09 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

"Because there are 8 precincts NOT REPORTING. That’s why.

Yes, I know that. The question is- why aren't they reporting? What is this "missing data" that somehow disappeared at the last second?

17 posted on 01/19/2012 8:48:38 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Pony Express problems?


18 posted on 01/19/2012 8:50:58 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Qbert

because he won by what 8 votes


19 posted on 01/19/2012 8:51:57 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Qbert

GOP = Goofy Offal Putzes


20 posted on 01/19/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Qbert

GOP = Goofy Offal Putzes


21 posted on 01/19/2012 8:53:07 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Qbert

“If Rick Santorum won Iowa, why is GOP calling it a ‘split decision’?”


The GOP will any (and all) means of propaganda to ensure that “their boy” will be their leader. They are scared to death of Newt and the REAL conservatism he will bring into the office.

Consequently, real conservatism is red kriptonite to “good ole’ boy” republicans. That is what scares them to death and what Romney does not have.


22 posted on 01/19/2012 8:54:42 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Qbert

"Alright, we'll call it a draw!"

23 posted on 01/19/2012 8:55:41 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Qbert

The vote totals were so close that they both get the same number of delegates. The primaries aren’t winner-take-all the way the electoral college is.


24 posted on 01/19/2012 8:59:53 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Qbert

Because the GOP establishment leadership are a bunch of lying no good scummy bastards that want Romney.

does that help?


25 posted on 01/19/2012 9:01:41 AM PST by Breto (The republican establishment are morons)
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To: Qbert
citing missing data from eight precincts,

If it's missing now, it was probably missing then.

a win by 8 votes for Myth is a resounding win ?
a win by 34 for Rick is a split decision ?


26 posted on 01/19/2012 9:07:10 AM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: Qbert

I read that that is what Iowa decided to call it since there are missing votes and they can’t ever say for sure...is it is a tie.


27 posted on 01/19/2012 9:07:45 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Qbert

Chairman Strawn will be on WHO radio at seven minutes past 11, if you’re interested in getting it on the radio. http://www.whoradio.com/main.html


28 posted on 01/19/2012 9:14:45 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: chris_bdba

You can call it whatever you want. Of the certified votes, Santorum is ahead by 34 votes BUT there are 8 precincts missing and evidently they will never be known so call it whatever you want that will make you happy. Please tune in to hear Matt Strawn: http://www.whoradio.com/main.html


29 posted on 01/19/2012 9:17:01 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I’d suggest they call it the same thing they called it when they thought Romeny had more votes than Santorum, but with the two names reversed: Namely, a narrow victory by Santorum over Romney.

Their headlines and press releases didn’t highlight the terms “tie” or “dead heat” when they thought Romney had won it.


30 posted on 01/19/2012 9:17:55 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Qbert

Missing precinct information leaves an incomplete record.

No delegates are awarded from this caucus as they are in the early process of county, congressional districts, etc. meetings all leading up to the state meeting in June which finally picks the national delegates. Who knows by then how the chosen delegates will align.


31 posted on 01/19/2012 9:24:16 AM PST by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Qbert

Karl Rove and the GOP establishment need their sorry butts whipped. I am so sick of this wing of so called conservatives. We just gotta eliminate Romney and all his orbitals.

Its Newt...he is the only one who can stand up and face all of the O’s BS with facts, clarity and conservative truths.


32 posted on 01/19/2012 9:29:24 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: fishtank

The $Grand Old Party, is turning to be the party that isn’t worth $0.02 cents.

Rove, Romney, Newt, OMG, we can’t do any better than this?


33 posted on 01/19/2012 9:30:10 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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To: Qbert

When Romney was ahead it wasn’t a tie or a split decision.
Tells you who the new media wants.


34 posted on 01/19/2012 9:32:57 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (I)
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To: Dudoight
Rove (R0)

Romney
(R0)

Gingrich (R0.5)

35 posted on 01/19/2012 9:35:18 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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I actually heard Rove say yesterday on Hannity’s radio show.....(paraphrase)Looks like Santorum might’ve won Iowa but if Romney wins SC it is a historic 3 time win. Noones ever done that.

Huh?!?


36 posted on 01/19/2012 9:37:25 AM PST by sheana
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To: WayneS
You are quite right but there is a change in the status of the two reports. Today's report is the report of the official canvas, which is incomplete and will never be complete.

There is no doubt Santorum is 34 votes ahead of Romney. This would never have happened if this had not been a photo finish and human error is involved.

I did hear them say this is the most accurate and complete certification they have ever had. I guess it just shows the falibility of humans.

Strawn made a valid point that with Perry dropping out, and we have four candidates left and they are the top vote getters in Iowa. Iowa provides candidates who are less well financed an opportunity to showcase their strength and Iowa provided that--for sure for Santorum. If it had not been for Iowa, Santorum would have been out a long time ago.

37 posted on 01/19/2012 9:41:44 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Qbert

GOP establishment fuzzy math.


38 posted on 01/19/2012 9:42:44 AM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Qbert
It's real simple folks... The GOP is trying to shove Mitt Romney down our throats.

For the record, I will NOT vote for Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is a White Obama with an R by his name. No Thanks!

39 posted on 01/19/2012 9:52:46 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: DoughtyOne

‘splain this to me


40 posted on 01/19/2012 11:30:13 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

To my way of thinking, Romney and Rove are Conservatives to the power of zero.

While Newt talks a great line, debates well, seems to be knowledgeable about our Constitution, I still note infractions that tell me he isn’t that sound when it comes to his politics. With his cheating on his spouses, and buying into the man-made global warming thing, he rates a ranking of being a Conservative to the power of 0.5.


41 posted on 01/19/2012 11:50:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Without a single job in the U. S., after six months unemployment would be 0.0%.)
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To: stylin19a
The 'votes' aren't , the 'certified votes' are missing. They were reported, along with all the other unofficial votes in the initial totals cited as a Mitt 8 vote win. 8/1774 precincts either didn't file or severely botched their certification paperwork so they aren't being counted. But their unofficial totals are known and would double Rick's winning total if added in:

Santorum 81
Paul 64
Romney 46
Perry 31
Gingrich 30
Bachmann 15
Huntsman 2
Total 269

Santorum's margin probably more than squares what the MSM had been touting as Mitt's the past 2 weeks. And although the Iowa GOP isn't counting these 269 votes they have changed their stance and are now admitting Rick won the state. I hope there is an outbreak of journalism in the state and it in some way validates the above votes. 4/8 of those precincts and 162/269 of those uncertified voters were in one county, Lee, so just one good reporter could do most of it.

42 posted on 01/19/2012 5:59:51 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

nicely done...thanks


43 posted on 01/19/2012 7:27:26 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: stylin19a
Some of the needed journalism has been done by the Iowa Republican. Lee County chair says the "unofficial count" in their four precincts was correct and they have the actual ballots to prove it, they just weren't able to get the official paperwork in. Pocahontas chair also was quoted as saying his precinct's unofficial count was accurate. Nothing was mentioned regarding the other three precincts.

Add the confirmed and unconfirmed "missing" precincts to the certified ones to get the best nearly official Iowa totals
Con-
firmed
Uncon-
firmed
Total
missing
Certified
total
"Iowa"
total
Santorum 67 14 81 29,839 29,920
Romney 35 11 46 29,805 29,851
Paul 43 21 64 26,036 26,100
Gingrich 27 3 30 16,163 16,193
Perry 21 10 31 12,557 12,588
Bachmann 4 11 15 6,046 6,061
Huntsman 2 0 2 739 741
Other/No Pref. 0 0 0 318 318
Totals 199 70 269 121,503 121,772

44 posted on 01/19/2012 9:13:44 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Got it! Thanks!


45 posted on 01/20/2012 7:20:25 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: All

Iowa is not supposed to matter.

Iowa with open registration and similar same day sign up nonsense is a joke. Iowa and NH clearly have outlived their relavence to the nation as “first primary states”.

BTW NH, dispite continued hissy fits, Iowa is first.


46 posted on 01/20/2012 7:24:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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