Skip to comments.Noonan, Krauthammer to GOP: You're losing this thing
Posted on 01/20/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by Qbert
Two prominent conservative columnists, Charles Krauthammer and Peggy Noonan, warn this morning that Republican infighting may do the party grievous damage for the 2012 election, with Krauthammer declaring that President Obama "could not have chosen more self-destructive adversaries."
Here's Krauthammer on GOP candidates playing into Obama's message reboot:
For the first few weeks, the class-envy gambit had some effect, bumping Obamas numbers slightly. But the story was still lagging, suffering in part from its association with an Occupy rabble that had widely worn out its welcome.
Then came the twist. Then came the most remarkable political surprise since the 2010 midterm: The struggling Democratic class-war narrative is suddenly given life and legitimacy by . . . Republicans! Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry make the case that private equity as practiced by Romneys Bain Capital is nothing more than vulture capitalism looting companies and sucking them dry while casually destroying the lives of workers .
How quickly has the zeitgeist changed? Wednesday, the Republican House reconvened to reject Obamas planned $1.2 trillion debt-ceiling increase. (Lacking Senate concurrence, the debt ceiling will be raised nonetheless.) Barely noticed. All eyes are on South Carolina and Romneys taxes.
This is no mainstream media conspiracy. This is the GOP maneuvering itself right onto Obama terrain.
And here's Noonan on the 2012 field racing into a "John Grisham novel"-like phase of the primary campaign:
Secret offshore bank accounts, broken love, the testimony of anguished ex-wives: "He wanted an open marriage." A battered old veteran emerges from the background and, in his electoral death throes, provides secret information"I'm for Newt"that he hopes will upend a dirty, rotten establishment. A vest-wearing choir boy turns out to have been the unknown winner of that case back in Iowa. And all this against the backdrop of a mysterious firm that moves in and destroys communities"When Mitt Romney came to town . . ."while its CEO pays nothing in taxes.
If you are a Republican who hates a mess, or if you are a member of that real but elusive and hydra-headed thing, the GOP establishment, you are beside yourself with anxiety and unhappiness. You think: "They're losing this thing! They're going to limp out of South Carolina, they'll limp through Florida, they're killing each other and killing the party's chances. How will they look by the fall? What are independents going to think of the guy we finally put up? We all know politics ain't beanbag, but it's not supposed to be a clown-car Indy 500 with cars hitting the wall and guys in wigs littering the track!"
There's been a lot of damage. We lose sense of it in the day to day, but in the aggregate it's going to prove considerable.
Should that be translated as "Romney is losing this thing"?
Newt showed that he was a fighter who wasn't afraid of attacking the Obama Media to its face and humiliating it, and the crowd went wild.
Say the people who supported McLame.
Sorry Charlie, and Peggy. What we’re seeing is a Republican battle where candidates are aggressively fighting to promote their own philosophy but also aggressively fighting against the Obama agenda. Would they (Charley, Peggy) rather have a bunch of weenies who are unable or unwilling to express their views and fight for them. To me, the earnest manner in which these candidates are debating tells me each of them aren’t afraid to go into battle with Obama. I’d rather have someone feisty rather than a meely-mouthed candidate afraid of upsetting the media or liberals. If we lose let’s go down swinging.
Ah, the smell of liberal and Party Boys panic in the air at the thought of one of their lefty pukes losing the nomination.
The RINO and the democrat have chimed in but we don’t care what they think.
The inside-the-beltway crowd holds the unwashed masses they fly over in complete contempt.
Who is really losing this thing, the candidates or the idiot “conservative” talking heads who push the harmful theme? I don’t like infighting and yes it makes us look bad, but I hate the idea of giving up and going with romney unchallenged, which is what they want.
The geniuses cannot even wrap their brains around just how spectacularly romney will fail against obama. Giving it to him in a walk is even stupider than a circular firing squad. The bigger problem is supposed banner carrying conservative pundits dropping conservatism and arguing that a progressive republican can/should win.
Krauthammer and Noonan voted for Obamma. That’s all you need to know.
This is what they -- the pundits, the republican establishment -- are missing. The American public, not just republicans, are SICK AND TIRED of the state of affairs in this country.
WE DON'T WANT 'GO ALONG, GET ALONG.'
Noonan of all people should have recognized the “Reagan Moment” last night.
Translation: “Republican voters need to quit thinking for themselves and blindly support whoever we—the brilliant GOP establishment RINOs—tell them to. The establishment has to get its crony handouts and secret back-room deals from Washington.”
Krauthammer voted for Obama? Are you sure?
They gave us McCain in 2008, didn't they? As witnessed by their guffawing and pandering in 2008 for Obama, the establishment RINOs are fine with someone who can express his views and fight for them, so long as those views aren't conservative.
" Id rather have someone feisty rather than a meely-mouthed candidate afraid of upsetting the media or liberals. If we lose lets go down swinging."
Yep. And I know millions agree.
My only question is- if Romney doesn't win, will the Establishment defeatists get on board and back the nominee (like we were forced to do in 2008, against our wishes), or will they try to bring him down with "friendly" fire?
wel get rid of romney and bring us in a real conservative. and there’s a big diff between a real conservative adn someone who calls himself a real conservative...
you bring in a real conservative, and you’re gonna get a whuge mandate in november, AND you’ll get both houses of congress, and a mess of governorships.
otherwise forget it.
Grandpa Newt is gonna take Bammy Boy and slap him silly. He just has to get nominated first.
No Peggy and Charlie the RINO/Elites are losing it and it is their turn to hold their nose.
Krauthammer is thoughtful, and at times interesting. He leans to the right, but isn’t a conservative. I still like him, even though he’s on the wrong side of things from time to time.
Noonan is an over the hill bimbo trying desperately to remain relevant.
Apparently you've already forgotten what the GOP Establishment did to Sarah Palin, or else you wouldn't even need to ask such a question. Until we can kick them out of the GOP, we'll always be fighting an uphill battle against our own alleged allies.
The rabble is refusing to vote for Mitt!
You can include the East & Left Coast Intelligentsia/Liberals in that crowd. I deal with it daily on my alumni blog, where conservatives are roundly thought of as idiots and knuckle draggers, even though we all graduated from the same university.
For example, I raised a stir this morning in responding to a poster who said, "the republican base is Rush Limbaugh". I upset many of them by saying that "the Democrat Party base is Peggy Joseph".
Here's what is really upsetting the Washingtonian elites, who are primed for four more years of Obama: Romney has been outed before he could be anointed. After he got the nomination sewed up, then Romney was going to be nailed on everything, and more, that has emerged over the past week.
They're so twitterpated, they're raising the spectre of a brokered convention.
I'm not the biggest fan of Newt, but I've concluded that what this country now needs is a real son of a beyotch as President, not a community organizer.
Methinks that Newt is the most genuine SOB currently running.
Stopped reading right there.
You can almost see noonan’s words slurring themselves.
As for the other guy, he knows conservatives know he isn’t...and he has taken to giving disclaimers prior to his ramblings on fox. It’s...um... amusing.
They’re both full of shyt. Both are Romney backers that can’s stand the though of real conservative winning the nomination. To hell with both of them.
I will not serve their Romney-thing, any more than I would serve the Obama-thing of the Democrats.
In other words: LEAVE MY ROMNEY ALONE AND ANNOINT HIM THE NOMINATION SO WE CAN RE-ELECT obama!
"Who is really losing this thing, the candidates or the idiot conservative talking heads who push the harmful theme? I dont like infighting and yes it makes us look bad, but I hate the idea of giving up and going with romney unchallenged, which is what they want."
And they do this every time they don't get what they want. For Noonan, it wasn't enough to have McCain in 2008- she also wanted another RINO VP- and when she didn't get it, she had to use her poison pen to bring the whole thing crashing down. She did more than almost anybody else to help elect Obama because she "validated" all of the leftist criticism of Palin. Sorry Peggy- you're credibility is shot...
The establishment RINO’s are just upset that Newt and Santorum are delaying Romney’s “coronation”...
Noonan a conservative? Who knew?!
Tinseltown offensive: Studios strike back with $3M SOPA ad blitz
NYPost ^ | January 19, 2012 | CLAIRE ATKINSON
Hollywood strikes back!
The Motion Picture Association of America and its member studios are planning a $3 million print and online ad blitz to beat back opponents of controversial Internet anti-piracy legislation, The Post has learned.
In addition to the MPAA, a group called the Creative Coalition, repping unions among others, is running a pro-SOPA ad campaign.
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Actually, IIRC, Noonan supported Obama.
Do you hear me? SUCK IT! Both of you have evolved significantly beyond a once, seeming-conservative view point, to Washington DC sychophants, token minority conservative DC media establishment 'mouths' (female and disabled, if you didn't grok the 'minority' thing, idiots)....
Both of you are so invested in your standing amongst DC pundits and powers-that-be, that you have sold your damned conservative souls, if you ever had any to start with.
You disgust me. I'd sooner pay attention to a fart that one of my family members or the dog toots out. Your words and thoughts are to me like boils on my ass. As much as I've blathered here about Newt in the past, I AM VOTING FOR HIM, and HIM ALONE. You two can Suck it! Just Suck it! And you can just shut the f@ck up. You're thoughts and concerns don't matter any more.
"Apparently you've already forgotten what the GOP Establishment did to Sarah Palin, or else you wouldn't even need to ask such a question. Until we can kick them out of the GOP, we'll always be fighting an uphill battle against our own alleged allies.
The infighting will be long forgotten by the time the general elsection campaign starts. It didn’t hurt Obama in 2008 either. His race against Hillary was drawn out until June and more bitter than this one.
“If you are a Republican who hates a mess”
Is this why they hate Newt? Because he would make a mess of Washington? Then all i can say is GO NEWT!
How about that?
Noonan is on the BOD of a coalition of people that is for SOPA, and backs the actors union.
Not only can we NOT pick our candidates, conservatives can’t even pick our own commentators.
Why don’t you tell us how you really fell? LOL
Damn right! Well said.
"Both are Romney backers that cans stand the though of real conservative winning the nomination. To hell with both of them."
The sad thing is that of the two, the intelligent one (that would be Charles), knows deep down that Romney is unable to connect with voters... and yet his rigid beliefs force him to keep pushing the guy, no matter what.
Peggy is NOT a Conservative!
Hey Chuck, Peg!
What will you say on Sunday after Newt wins in S.C.?
And if he goes on to win in Florida?
Will you get off of the Mitt train and offer constructive criticism of Newt?
That's where a record comes in. Not just the record of votes, which is often a meaningless toll of positions taken for political reasons on bills that were always going to pass or were never going to pass, but a record of actions taken that actually mattered.
A record of actions taken that actually mattered. Newt is the man who fits that description to a "T".
He can identify what is most important to the country, develop a plan to overcome that challenge, articulate the the merits of overcoming the challenge and why the plan will work.
I hadn't been for Gingrich initially and spent plenty of energy excoriating him, these last several years, for any number of sins he committed against the Republican/Conservative ideals. He seemed a turncoat of sorts, particularly when he babysat Pelosi on the couch.
On reflection, Newt is an attention whore seeking relevancy for his ideas and I guess I take him at his word that he made a few mistakes in his life and he has at least some regret for those decisions. God knows I am no angel and so I have to reflect on the man's ability to get things done.
Newt gave us the Republican majority, the Contract with America and completed 2/3rds of his agenda while in office.
He now has a new plan for America and with what is likely to become a Congressional Super Majority and a Senate Majority, if not Super Majority, I believe he will absolutely accomplish his agenda.
Say goodbye to ObamaCare the single biggest scam and travesty foisted upon a free people who, by right, ought to have been given the opportunity to read the bill and debate it. Instead, a win at all cost, cheating agenda was developed and it was signed with most people never laying eyes on at least page 2 of this utopian dreck.
Executive Orders Positions:
The following are all within the executive powers to simply order and with the exception of securing the border within one year, they are all easily accomplished with the stroke of a pen and no way to challenge them in the legislature.
Keystone may be challenged in the courts but I think the Executive can order the EPA to approve, under National Security Priorities and it is a National Security issue, as well, a jobs issue.
As President, Newt, could actually have a very busy 1st week or month just on these initiative alone.
1. Eliminate the thirty-nine White House "Czar" positions created during the current administration. The president does not have the authority to appoint bureaucrats to power who are not accountable to the Congress.
2. "Mexico City Policy" of Respect for Life. Reauthorize President Ronald Reagan’s policy – also known as the "Mexico City Policy"— to stop tax payer dollars from being used to fund or promote abortions in foreign countries.
3. Restore conscience clause protections for Healthcare Workers.No American working in a medical environment should be forced to perform any procedure that he or she finds morally or ethically objectionable based on religious teaching. This protection should include, but not be limited to abortion. Existing conscience clause protections need to be strengthened.
4. Respect Each Sovereign Nation’s Choice of its Capital. Each sovereign nation, under international law and custom, may designate its own Capital. Accordingly, the U.S. State Department should be instructed to respect the choice of each sovereign nation and place the American embassy in their Capital. (Israel is the only country the United States discriminates against in this regard. The people of Israel have designated Jerusalem as their capital. Yet the United States retains its embassy in Tel Aviv.)
5. End the Attorney General's Assault on the States. Instruct the Attorney General to withdraw all immigration-related lawsuits against states immediately, including those pending in Arizona and South Carolina. The Obama Administration refuses to enforce federal immigration laws, and instead sues states who are merely trying to enforce the laws that the federal government neglects. The Gingrich Administration will secure the border by Jan. 1, 2014 by any means necessary.
Unleash American Energy by Approving the Keystone XL Pipeline. Instruct the State Department to approve a Presidential Permit immediately for the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that will send 700,000 barrels of oil a day from Great Plains and Southwestern states to Gulf Coast refineries lower staggering energy prices, and create up to 120,000 American jobs.
Now we get into the details of an inclusive agenda that brings the people(you and me), through their representatives, into process. The TEA Party and conservatives are going to have a majority in both houses.
Let’s elect an Executive who will absolutely fulfill the promise of our ideals.
Newt gave us the three most important victories of the 90’s Welfare Reform, Balanced Budget and Reduced Taxes. I hope I don’t need to describe the benefits of those victories. They ought to be obvious to everyone by now.
Lastly, there have been some reports that Newt shouldn’t get all the credit. Really? Then perhaps we marginalize the accomplishments of Washington, Roosevelt, Kennedy and ….wait for it… Reagan.
Do we really want to go down the road with that kind of adolescent sophistry and parsing of what happened?
Newt is the guy who thought of these big things, proposed them and shepherded their implementation?
Newt has once again identified what is important to us now, at this time and described how we can get there with our representative majorities. He has done it before and I declare Newt Gingrich was then and is Now a leader.
We should elect Newt Gingrich to the Presidency of the United States
Noonan is no conservative and krauthammer is in the tank for rumnuts.
Major Charles and Nurse Margaret playing God in triage, then start to panic not for their selected patient but for their own credibility.
Doctor, we’re losing him! Do something! I’ve already got more Doles on my head than Carmen Miranda!
“Should that be translated as “Romney is losing this thing”?”
You are right on target. The RINOs are squirming in their seats. Bwahahahahahaha. GO NEWT GO!
How come the Doctor never seems to have any prescriptions other than another ineffective dose of RINO?
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