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Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
Catholic Online ^ | 1/20/12 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 01/20/2012 4:48:27 PM PST by tcg

"The Obama administration has drawn an unprecedented line in the sand. The Catholic bishops are committed to working with our fellow Americans to reform the law and change this unjust regulation. We will continue to study all the implications of this troubling decision.

"In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences.To force American citizens to choose between violating their consciences and forgoing their healthcare is literally unconscionable." (Cardinal Designate Dolan, Abp of New York, President, USCCB)

The moment that President Obama nominated Governor Kathleen Sebelius to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services he sent the signal of where he would lead this nation. Sadly, many people did not see the signs, including some Catholics.

Of course, anyone who heard former Presidential candidate Obama utter his "that's above my pay grade" answer to Reverend Rick Warren's question as to "when a baby gets human rights" - either had their head in the sand - or was no friend of children in the womb themselves.

This President does not respect the fundamental Human Right to Life, period. Sorry Doug Kmiec and all the others who were snowed by his sophistry, the truth is now very clear and I sincerely hope you join in the necessary resistance to this unjust administration....

...To translate this Edict, the American Caesar has spoken and given the Catholic Church 13 months to comply with its unjust regulation or face punitive consequences.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; obama; sebelius
This President does not respect the fundamental Human Right to Life, period. Sorry Doug Kmiec and all the others who were snowed by his sophistry, the truth is now very clear and I sincerely hope you join in the necessary resistance to this unjust administration.
1 posted on 01/20/2012 4:48:33 PM PST by tcg
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To: tcg

hunh. well, one wonders who even has a conscience these days.


2 posted on 01/20/2012 4:56:27 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: tcg
I know an awful lot of Catholics who really don't care. Unless the higher ups in the Catholic church stop making “requests” and are willing to embarrass “Catholics” like sebilius, pelosi, and the kennedys,etc., by REFUSING to serve them communion, why should anyone else obey the Catholic edicts?
3 posted on 01/20/2012 4:56:53 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: tcg

This is going to get bad for all of us (Catholics, Evangelicals and Orthodox Jews).

Actually, Orthodox Jews represent a very tiny proportion of the population so they might be allowed to slip by. Probably Catholics will be hit the worst, because they have bgger insttitutions and institutional charities, and then the Evangelicals will start feeling it - a church at a time, since there is no Evangelical “big church” that would unite these independent groups and could be attacked as a whole.

This is a seriously bad move by Obama - and he’ll probably get away with it.


4 posted on 01/20/2012 4:59:56 PM PST by livius
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5 posted on 01/20/2012 5:00:30 PM PST by narses
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To: tcg

Another reason to knock these guys out of power.

Should be used in political commercials.

Every day, it’s something else from these people.


6 posted on 01/20/2012 5:02:27 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: tcg


7 posted on 01/20/2012 5:03:16 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: freeangel
Sebelius has been forbidden to receive communion for some time. There aren't any Kennedys involved in this sad tale anymore, so they're not too relevant. (Not that they ever were.)

Abp. Niederauer has dropped the ball on Pelosi, I think.

8 posted on 01/20/2012 5:13:12 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Part of the long ongoing agenda of the CPUSA to cause collapse from within to, among other aims, destroy any sense of morality in the US.

These very same people, of course, would laud any member of the military under a republican administration who disobeys an order he considers to be illegal, as a “matter of conscience.”

Conscience: it’s all relative. Just like morals with liberals.


9 posted on 01/20/2012 5:15:51 PM PST by DPMD
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"This is not your body"

I'll go for this. If your on welfare and you breed, your on your own. No gimmies nada.

WE THE PEOPLE are not your sugardaddy

10 posted on 01/20/2012 5:17:24 PM PST by anglian
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To: livius

I suspect that you’re right, livius, but we cannot give in, at all. I’m sure that the Church has some modernist, or perhaps ill-formed folks who somehow try to reconcile a desire to get along with true Catholic teachings. But in this, they cannot, at their own peril. The line drawn is the expected one, and we cannot give in.

I hope and pray that the evangelical groups, or perhaps at least some of them, see that while we are the primary target, this will eventually affect all Christians that don’t tow the progressive line. On the other hand, to be quite blunt, there is nothing in my life as valued to me as my faith.


11 posted on 01/20/2012 5:28:52 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: tcg

Well, let’s do a recent tally: Obama has

1. Made recess appointments when Congress was not in recess,

2. Said he will sell/give defense secrets to Russia and no one can stop him,

3. Ordered Catholics and other religious people to violate their conscience by funding the killing of innocent life.

I’d say he’s quite the dictator.


12 posted on 01/20/2012 5:59:23 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: tcg

The employers will just not provide insurance benefits anymore, easy


13 posted on 01/20/2012 6:04:09 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DPMD
Conscience: it’s all relative. Just like morals with liberals.

And relativism really is a dictatorship, forbidding absolutes.

Gawd they make me sick.

14 posted on 01/20/2012 6:14:31 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: tcg
The Church shouldn't have given Caesar so much power.

They have been pushing for socialized medicine for decades and many conservatives have been warning Catholics that this is exactly what would happen.

In the name of "Christian compassion" the various churches have been tearing down all checks on the leviathan's power.

Now the leviathan will turn and consume the very people who gave it life.

They can't act all surprised now.

15 posted on 01/20/2012 6:16:48 PM PST by SlargTarg
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To: tcg
"In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences.To force American citizens to choose between violating their consciences and forgoing their healthcare is literally unconscionable." (Cardinal Designate Dolan, Abp of New York, President, USCCB)

I believe I posted something to that affect on your blog BEFORE the law was past, Arch. That was back when you were as quiet as a, err, churchmouse on the topic and only Bishop Nickless in Iowa was speaking out about obamacare.

16 posted on 01/20/2012 6:19:59 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: SlargTarg
"catholics" made Obamacare possible by making Obama possible (speaking as a Roman Catholic, incidentally).

My pet theory is that Kennedy delivered the "catholic" vote in exchange for it.

17 posted on 01/20/2012 6:23:19 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: sayuncledave

I think some Evangelicals will stand up, but the problem from an institutional point of view is that they are very fragmented and it depends on their pastor. I’m Catholic and I live in Florida. All my Evangelical friends here go to “their own” church. While in theory they all subscribe to the general outlook described as “Evangelical,” there’s no unifiying institutional bond and each church is basically a free agent.

But as you say, the important thing is the Faith, so regardless of how few or scattered we are, all we people of good will are going to do our our best to maintain it.


18 posted on 01/20/2012 6:32:24 PM PST by livius
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To: tcg

BTW, I read elsewhere that Bambi called Cdl Dolan personally this morning to rub his nose in it. And it’s not 13 months, it’s about five months (Aug 2012).

I hate Obama so much I probably won’t be able to go to Communion until I can get to confession.


19 posted on 01/20/2012 6:37:52 PM PST by livius
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To: tcg

I believe Obama knows just how far he can go with the Catholic Church.If Obama felt that the Catholic clergy was as pro-life as the 200,000 pro-life marchers going to Washinton this Monday,he would change his tune.I still wonder if Obama might get a majority of the vote of the Catholic clergy in 2012.It is sad but possible.


20 posted on 01/20/2012 6:38:47 PM PST by ardara
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To: tcg
To me, anyone who claims to be a Christian and supports abortion is a liar. Of course, I also believe Progressives are pathological liars anyway.
21 posted on 01/20/2012 6:48:44 PM PST by antidemoncrat
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To: ardara

I don’t know. The Catholic clergy stinks (I’m Catholic, btw) but I think Bambi is relying on the underlying anti-Catholicism of the US, where the mainline Protestants and the radical secularists seem to have met and embraced. Well, along with the sweet but clueless UUs...

Obama doesn’t give a darn because he knows that the Church is not powerful now, the press is supporting him no matter what, and he can be just as offensive as he wishes.


22 posted on 01/20/2012 6:54:26 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

The Catholic Church has power that it does not use.How about stating from the pulpits that we have the most anti-life President in the history of the U.S.?


23 posted on 01/20/2012 7:07:04 PM PST by ardara
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To: the invisib1e hand

Gotta keep religion out of the government. But no problem with forcing government into religion.

If they cave on this, it’s all over.


24 posted on 01/21/2012 11:22:36 AM PST by DPMD
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To: tcg

Maybe this will give the ‘social justice’ Catholics who voted for Obama some pause, because this will directly affect the livelihoods of many of them, since they’re involved in lots of Church related charitable and medical jobs.


25 posted on 01/21/2012 3:27:34 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: DPMD
If they cave on this, it’s all over.

Nah. It's just beginning!

26 posted on 01/21/2012 5:29:49 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
My pet theory is that Kennedy delivered the "catholic" vote in exchange for it.

The only 'catholics' who voted for Obama were those liberals for whom 'social justice' is the deciding factor. They look down their noses at Catholics who take the teachings of the Church seriously, if those teachings interfere with what they think is 'fair'. To those liberal Catholics, abortion is simply one issue among many, and they think it's silly to stress it over poverty, injustice, racism, and sins against the environment. So the fact that Obama was going to be the most pro-abortion President ever didn't bother them at all, because they hate Republicans.

27 posted on 01/21/2012 6:59:05 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
The only 'catholics' who voted for Obama were those liberals...

You can stop right there, as that represents the majority of Catholics in the US.

28 posted on 01/21/2012 7:38:30 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Sadly, yes, 52% of voters who self-identify as Catholics voted for Obama. I spoke to several of them in my Parish after the election. They truly believed that Obama wasn’t that pro-abortion, because they’d heard Catholics publicly supporting him, but since they believe Republicans hate the poor, anyway, they believed they had to vote for Obama. They, like too many other American voters, got their news about Obama from the MSM, which did all it could to cover up just how liberal he actually is. But remember, this is MA, where union dominated blue collar ‘Catholics’ voted every 6 years for Teddy the Swimmer.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 5:31:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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