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What To Do With a 1,000 Foot Wrecked Cruise Ship?
Slashdot.org ^ | 1/20/2012 | Hugh Pickens

Posted on 01/20/2012 5:40:20 PM PST by BfloGuy

"What do you do with a 1,000-foot wreck that's full of fuel and half-submerged on a rocky ledge in the middle of an Italian marine sanctuary? Remove it. Very carefully. Stuck on a rocky shoal off the Tuscan island of Giglio, leaving the wreck where it is probably isn't an option but removing a massive ship that's run hard aground and incurred major damage to the hull involves logistical and environmental issues that are just as large. First there's the fuel. A half a million gallons of fuel could wreak havoc on the marine ecosystem — the ship is smack in the middle of the Pelagos Sanctuary for Mediterranean Marine Mammals. Engineers may need to go in from the side using a special drill to cut through the fuel tanks in a process called hot tapping. 'You fasten a flange with a valve on it, you drill through, access the tank, pull the drill back out, close the valve, and then attach a pumping apparatus to that,' says Tim Beaver, president of the American Salvage Association. 'It's a difficult task, but it's doable.' Then if it's determined that the Costa Concordia can be saved, engineers could try to refloat the ship and tug it back to dry dock for refurbishing. The job will likely require 'a combination of barges equipped with winches and cranes' to pull the cruise liner off its side then once the Concordia is off the rocks, 'they are going to have to fight to keep it afloat, just like you would a battle-damaged ship.' Another alternative is to cut the vessel into smaller, manageable parts using a giant cutting wire coated with a material as hard as diamonds called a cheese wire in a method was used to dismember the 55,000-ton Norwegian-flagged MV Tricolor. Regardless of how the Concordia is removed, it's going to be a difficult, expensive and drawn-out process. 'I don't see it taking much less than a year, and I think it could take longer,' says Bob Umbdenstock, director of planning at Resolve Marine Group."


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KEYWORDS: concordia; maritime; shipwreck
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I predict they refloat it, refit it, and rename it Costa Miracoloso or maybe the Non Fa Niente or Costa Si Prega Di Dimenticare.
1 posted on 01/20/2012 5:40:25 PM PST by BfloGuy
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To: BfloGuy

That’ll buff out.

It’ll take some serious recurring for things like electrical that got submerged, but it’ll be repaired and back to sea. With, (ahem) a different captain.


2 posted on 01/20/2012 5:44:12 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: BfloGuy

Section 8 housing.


3 posted on 01/20/2012 5:44:29 PM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: BfloGuy

I would think one of the first things would be to weld plates on the damaged part of the hull.- Tom


4 posted on 01/20/2012 5:45:28 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Ramius

recurring = refitting. Damn autocorrect.


5 posted on 01/20/2012 5:45:28 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: BfloGuy
"What do you do with a 1,000-foot wreck

Sell it to "The Pickers" or the Pawn Shop guys.........

6 posted on 01/20/2012 5:47:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: BfloGuy

I’ll take it sight unseen.


7 posted on 01/20/2012 5:48:08 PM PST by Leep (Paul/Ventura 2016)
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To: BfloGuy

There are still something like 20 people missing. Is it possible they are deceased and in cabins that are submerged? I guess the only way to find out is to somehow float it upright. After that... I have no idea.


8 posted on 01/20/2012 5:49:05 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Grunthor
Section 8 housing.

That's one option.

Or a location for "Occupy" folks on either coast.

9 posted on 01/20/2012 5:50:36 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: BfloGuy

Outstanding. Detonate in place.


10 posted on 01/20/2012 5:50:36 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: BfloGuy
Paint the Obama Logo on the Hull.

the analogies to what he has done to the Country will resonate with many, as the Captain in both cases is OUT TO LUNCH.

Gingrich / Palin would win in a landslide of Epic proportions.

11 posted on 01/20/2012 5:51:06 PM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: BfloGuy

...have the captain coward live on it just the way it is for the rest of his life...let him search for food, he can set foot on land once a year for one hour


12 posted on 01/20/2012 5:51:16 PM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: BfloGuy
Disney theme park.


13 posted on 01/20/2012 5:51:25 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: BfloGuy

The keel is apparently snagged on the reef, keeping the ship from sinking but making it a bit difficult to put Bondo over the gash.

You’d think these ships would have an access pipe to the fuel tank(s) on the upper deck somewhere, to make it easy to drain the fuel if the worst happens.

I wonder if it’s possible to raise the ship back upright using cables from aircraft, then something could be placed over the gashed keel to make it possible to pump out the flooding and then tow the boat to drydock.


14 posted on 01/20/2012 5:51:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: BfloGuy

Target practice for some missiles. Or, possibly an artificial reef.


15 posted on 01/20/2012 5:52:00 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: BfloGuy

16 posted on 01/20/2012 5:53:49 PM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: taildragger

Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner.


17 posted on 01/20/2012 5:55:56 PM PST by KC Burke (Newton's New First Law, Repeal and Restore!)
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To: Thunder90

If it was an unpopulated area of the coast such a thing might make sense. But the boat got where it did by the captain being a “hotdog,” swinging it close to land where a lot of people were going to be watching the dramatic sight. And they did watch a dramatic sight, but not what the captain had in mind.


18 posted on 01/20/2012 5:56:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: BfloGuy

I thought ships today esp. ocean liners had double hulls. I guess that rock broke through but even still, water tight compartments?? Sealing off where the water came in?


19 posted on 01/20/2012 5:56:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: BfloGuy
'It's a difficult task, but it's doable.'

Not difficult at all. It is done all the time by using fittings from companies like TD Williamson.

20 posted on 01/20/2012 5:57:12 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Eaker

They can’t afford to spill even a pint of the stuff or environuts will go stark raving crazy.


21 posted on 01/20/2012 6:00:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I wonder if it’s possible to raise the ship back upright using cables from aircraft, then something could be placed over the gashed keel to make it possible to pump out the flooding and then tow the boat to drydock.

I believe the ship displaces in more than 100,000 tons. When she's not three-quarters full of water.

One Sikorsky Skycrane (2x5000hp engines) can lift about ten tons. Fewer than twenty were built, according to Wikipedia.

22 posted on 01/20/2012 6:01:04 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

First they’ll have to remove the rock and weld plates over the damaged portion of the hull. Then they’ll need to displace the water from the starboard side using air bags. Once the water is displaced (the air bags are all filled at once) it’ll right itself near the water line. Pumping should take care of the rest of the water bringing it off the bottom since all the crew, passengers and fuel are off. Then they can tow it whereever.

Shouldn’t take more than a month. Oh, wait, Europe + Italy. Better make that a year for the permits, then....


23 posted on 01/20/2012 6:02:04 PM PST by Justa
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I wonder if it’s possible to raise the ship back upright using cables from aircraft,

If one could get get 25 heavy lift helos close enough together to try I doubt they could move it.

24 posted on 01/20/2012 6:02:22 PM PST by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Daffynition

That’s a really scary pic


25 posted on 01/20/2012 6:02:22 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: BfloGuy

Vacation spot for Guantanamo detainees?


26 posted on 01/20/2012 6:02:55 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: BfloGuy

I beleive the procedure is to put a giant air bag in the sections of the hull that are not air tight, then blow up the air bag. Then pump out any remaining water they can get to...as in all ballast and maybe even all fuel too. Tada, ship floats. Then tow it to dry dock.

The problem I see is getting it off the rocks without either

a. sinking it in deeper water, or
b. doing more damage and then sinking it in deeper water


27 posted on 01/20/2012 6:02:54 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Steely Tom

Well, scuttle that idea. I guess it would have to be a floating platform, or maybe one custom built at the site?


28 posted on 01/20/2012 6:03:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: BfloGuy

A great site for wreck diving. And it becomes an artificial reef too boot.


29 posted on 01/20/2012 6:04:17 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: momtothree
When the rolled the battleship Oklahoma upright in 1943, they were able to recover all of the crewmen who'd been trapped inside. They recovered almost four hundred bodies from within her.

After the war, she was sold for scrap, but sank in deep water midway between Hawaii and California, a fitting resting place for such a tragic ship.

30 posted on 01/20/2012 6:04:31 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: BfloGuy

10000 cans of fix a flat


31 posted on 01/20/2012 6:05:31 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: VicVega

Salvage diving for treasure.


32 posted on 01/20/2012 6:06:13 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Romney=Gun Grabber.)
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To: Justa

Hopefully they can get the plates on without having to get clearance between the ship and the rock. Done from inside? Or just a partial covering, letting the air bags do the rest?


33 posted on 01/20/2012 6:08:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Ramius
At the captain's table during the crash...


34 posted on 01/20/2012 6:08:33 PM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Seal the holes and pump the water out. Itll pop right up


35 posted on 01/20/2012 6:09:09 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BfloGuy

36 posted on 01/20/2012 6:09:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Keep what you bring up. I’m sure some dive operators are looking forward to the prospect of this being a dive site.


37 posted on 01/20/2012 6:10:18 PM PST by VicVega (tagline is MIA)
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To: Revolting cat!

That is hysterical, RC! Either duct tape or WD 40... fixes most things.


38 posted on 01/20/2012 6:13:01 PM PST by momtothree
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To: driftdiver

I thought the hull was stuck (pierced) on rock outcroppings, which is why it hasn’t sunk. Or is it lying on a rock shelf? If it’s pierced you got a dilemma — cutting off the rock would let the ship sink.


39 posted on 01/20/2012 6:13:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: driftdiver

lol


40 posted on 01/20/2012 6:14:08 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Mount Athos

41 posted on 01/20/2012 6:14:38 PM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: BfloGuy

They will be sealing it up and will start pumping ping pong balls into it in mid February then it will be towed to dry dock and refitted


42 posted on 01/20/2012 6:20:03 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: BfloGuy

Don’t worry, I hear the seas are rising.


43 posted on 01/20/2012 6:27:27 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: BfloGuy

Eleven dead and twenty still missing, almost certainly dead, and all the enviro-weenies care about is a little bit of fuel oil. Nasty little evil morons.


44 posted on 01/20/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Daffynition

The farther North you go the higher the tide differential.


45 posted on 01/20/2012 6:29:29 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: momtothree

How about that black rubber spray on they sell on TV. It says it floats boats.


46 posted on 01/20/2012 6:29:56 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

You’re right... you must watch the late television ads like I do. Stops any sort of leak, too. You may be on to something, CGG!


47 posted on 01/20/2012 6:31:25 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Eaker
'It's a difficult task, but it's doable.' Not difficult at all. It is done all the time by using fittings from companies like TD Williamson.

He just saying that to get more money for the job.

48 posted on 01/20/2012 6:31:43 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Justa
Then they’ll need to displace the water from the starboard side using air bags.

Ding ding ding, We have a winner!!

49 posted on 01/20/2012 6:33:40 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: momtothree

According to the ad, all they have to do is get some screen wire and lots of cans of the spray on rubber and the problem is solved.


50 posted on 01/20/2012 6:35:17 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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