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Is F-35 program flying high or sputtering?
Star Telegram ^ | Jan. 21, 2012 | Bob Cox

Posted on 01/21/2012 7:50:37 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Is F-35 program flying high or sputtering?

By Bob Cox

rcox@star-telegram.com

Now that the F-35 joint strike fighter program has gotten a pat on the back and morale boost from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, officials at Lockheed Martin hope to put their recent run of bad report cards and bad press behind them.

All those problems with the F-35 that have been reported of late? They're not that bad; they're being fixed. Just watch, they say.

"We're starting to see a lot of good stuff happening," Tom Burbage, Lockheed's co-executive vice president and general manager overseeing the F-35 program, said in an interview last week.

That view would seem at odds with recent Defense Department reports and officials' comments. An internal Pentagon report leaked last month cited numerous shortcomings in the testing performance of the three versions of the F-35, some key components and the design of the aircraft.

The program's top manager, Vice Adm. David Venlet, was frank about his concerns with the number and scale of problems in a published interview.

Without directly contradicting the reports or Venlet, Burbage downplayed the scale of the F-35 program's problems.

"We're in a test program. We're testing the most technologically advanced aircraft ever built," Burbage said. "There's going to be some problems along the way. That's why you test."

On one hand, the F-35 made progress last year. The pace of flight testing exceeded plans overall, if not always meeting specific goals.

But the program is still three-plus years behind schedule, development costs have risen s

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35; lockheedmartin; navair; usmc

1 posted on 01/21/2012 7:50:43 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What’s that big country to the north of India?........China......yeah, that’s it........China......and they don’t mind sacrificing lots of their Soldiers.....And what’s that country beside India with all those nuclear weapons?.....Pakistan?.....You would think that India would want to have us as friends.....The thing about us Americans is, we like to speak out about our own problems, but we take a dim view of people from other countries trying to do this for us in our own country.


2 posted on 01/21/2012 8:01:26 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
F-35 joint strike fighter program has gotten a pat on the back and morale boost from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

Keep in mind that Panetta is a former klinton crony in addition to being one of the kenyan butt boys, so his credibility is somewhat questionable; but what intelligent person believes ANYTHING the regime says?

3 posted on 01/21/2012 8:01:47 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: blueunicorn6

And what exactly is your point?


4 posted on 01/21/2012 8:03:30 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

kya aap angrezi samahjte hain?


5 posted on 01/21/2012 8:08:52 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Guess somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.


6 posted on 01/21/2012 8:15:00 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: blueunicorn6

Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?


7 posted on 01/21/2012 8:15:23 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A study of the history of defense weapons show that weapons systems designed from the top down to do everything and be the end-all, do-it-all system usually are crappy weapons systems.

Weapons designed to ONE thing EXTREMELY well, usually can be adapted to do other things.

IMO, the cancellation of the F-22 will be one of the great disasters of the American Military.

And the F-35 will be one of the great flops of American Air Power Design.


8 posted on 01/21/2012 8:19:06 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Watch—if Obama wins the next election, he will cancel the F-35. Why? 1. He is hotile to US military power. 2. It spends $$ that could otherwise go to the Welfare state.

Of course, his “reason” will be development of some future aircraft that will solve all our problems, but we won’t see for 20-30 years (really never). It right out of the Liberal playbook.


9 posted on 01/21/2012 8:23:33 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Bryan24
"A study of the history of defense weapons show that weapons systems designed from the top down to do everything and be the end-all, do-it-all system usually are crappy weapons systems."
F-4 Phantom???? I would call that one a resounding success.... hell, there are countries still flyin' 'em..
10 posted on 01/21/2012 8:43:36 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: blueunicorn6

Isn’t it kinda early to be drunk? What the heck does india have to do with this article? Or was this a lame personal attack against a decent guy who posts a lot, good and bad, about avaition?
Can you point me to a single negative thing Sukhoi has ever said about the USA?
And for all your fun comments, India has sunk more pirates than the USN. And they are not bashful about opening up with the main battery. Our deck guns seem to be mostly decorative anymore.
Well, i better let you go,,,im sure you need to go find a Sihk so you can get revenge for 9/11./


11 posted on 01/21/2012 8:51:06 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: joe fonebone; Bryan24
"A study of the history of defense weapons show that weapons systems designed from the top down to do everything and be the end-all, do-it-all system usually are crappy weapons systems."

F-4 Phantom???? I would call that one a resounding success.... hell, there are countries still flyin' 'em..

A high altitude interceptor, 4 missiles, big radar and WO to fire them.

Weapons designed to ONE thing EXTREMELY well, usually can be adapted to do other things.

12 posted on 01/21/2012 8:51:38 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: Bryan24

Agree with you. Unfortunately, the day will come when we wish we had more F-22s.


13 posted on 01/21/2012 8:53:12 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I'm not surprised that people have the opinions they do. Virtually every SCM/MSM report on the F-35 is bad and whatever problem of the day it may have is magnified.

Most who read these reports wouldn't know the difference between an F-35 and an F-16 or a P-51.

Most have no idea what these machines are capable of or what environment they must operate in effectively and survive to bring their pilots home.

Most just read the reports, accept them as gospel and demand the programs be cancelled because the scm/msm have said so.

Thing is, every new design is full of problems to be solved. Every one.

There is no fighter or bomber in our inventory that has not had its share of problems, cost overruns, etc. and each has had bad press from the scm/msm throughout its development phase.

And, each one has gone into service and remain in service for decades and have given our pilots air superiority, mission capability and survivability.

But so what. Perhaps we should just stay with our decades old F-15s, F-16s, F-18s, etc. because that is exactly what the scm/msm along with the Chinese, Russians, etc. would like us to do.

Who cares if the pilots make it back or not or if they successfully carried out their mission. It's all about the money we could be spending on more social programs and bail outs. That's what's important, right?

14 posted on 01/21/2012 8:59:05 AM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: blueunicorn6

And also,, I have disagreed with Sukhoi on some technical things. (although like today, he usually posts with little or no commentary) And he always answers back with a thoughtful, technical, reasoned point. And never attacking America.
Thats too bad if you think being a cheerleader for that flying moonpig, a monument to political district based procurement is being patriotic.
Except for stealth, which in 10 years will be defeated by extreme computer based improvements in radar, the F-35 is much less capable than the F-16 or F-15.
The thing is a joke.


15 posted on 01/21/2012 9:00:57 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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16 posted on 01/21/2012 9:11:24 AM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: Oztrich Boy

Ahhh yes......down under speaks.....If I didn’t like Australia so much, I might point out that American boys were dying in the Pacific to protect Australia when the Australian dock workers went on strike to extort higher wages while the Japanese were marching south. G’day Mate!


17 posted on 01/21/2012 10:02:27 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Good argument.


18 posted on 01/21/2012 10:04:58 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DesertRhino

Gosh. a personal attack would be like, I don’t know, saying somebody’s drunk. Nothing personal in my remarks to the guy with a russian plane for his screen name. He does seem to like those russian planes. I guess he put up this article to show his support for American aviation. He chose to post this in a public forum based in the US. Looks like a slap at the US to me. I’m not a cheerleader for the F-35. If it’s garbage, then it should go away. I’ve been around my fair share of foreign military and they liked to disparage the US military.......until DESERT STORM. Easily fixed. All he has to do is say that it wasn’t meant as a slap at the US.


19 posted on 01/21/2012 10:17:30 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DesertRhino
the F-35 is much less capable than the F-16

The F-16 is one of the best fighters anyone has ever created and put into the field. It's simply an awesome machine.

Compared to the F-16, the F-35 has a greater payload and a greater combat radius on internal fuel than the F-16, along with greater stealth, more power, vastly improved electronics and pilot situational awareness.

The F-16 is faster.

20 posted on 01/21/2012 10:22:18 AM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: GBA
Compared to the F-16, the F-35 has a greater payload

Really? All the crap you can hang on the wing of an F-16 is less than the internal carrying space in the F-35?

Not trying to argue, just find that incredible.

21 posted on 01/21/2012 10:42:11 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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To: hattend
Max payload would include both internal and external.

However, I was using older data. Apparently the F-16's max payload has recently been increased to 17,200 lbs.

Of course, the F-35 is still in testing, so whatever numbers have been published are likely to be changed as the type matures, just as the F-16's numbers have.

The F-16 began as a single role, lightweight air superiority fighter that evolved into a multirole all weather jack of all trades.

It will be interesting to see how the F-35 variants evolve.

22 posted on 01/21/2012 11:23:58 AM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: GBA
The F-16 began as a single role, lightweight air superiority fighter that evolved into a multirole all weather jack of all trades.

Conceptually, the F-16 began as a single-role, lightweight air superiority dogfighter. But once the USAF began driving the specifications ever higher it morphed into a multi-role fighter before the first A-model prototype entered testing. John Boyd and the other "Fighter Mafia" types in the Pentagon weren't too keen on putting a radar in the Falcon because it made the entire aircraft larger and more costly than they thought it should be. What they wanted was a pure dogfighter -- guns and sidewinders -- and that was it. They wanted to leave the BVR engagements to the Eagle-drivers.

23 posted on 01/21/2012 11:34:02 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Tallguy

The A model’s performance was impressive! F-15 people definitely felt threatened by the F-16 program and responded accordingly. Glad they worked things out.


24 posted on 01/21/2012 11:43:48 AM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: joe fonebone

“F-4 Phantom???? I would call that one a resounding success.... hell, there are countries still flyin’ ‘em.. “

Success? The phantom was in service for 4-5 years before Vietnam broke out. We found out very quickly that the Phantom was a pig in combat.

It was a flying brick. And it performed in a dogfight like a brick.

By 1968, the US Air FOrce and the US NAvy wanted replacements for this subpar aircraft.

Out of those requirements came the F-16, a small, agile fighter for countering small Soviet block Migs. And the F-15 Eagle for Air Superiority.

The F-15 and F-16 are were still front line fighters 30 years after being introduced.


25 posted on 01/21/2012 2:01:16 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: blueunicorn6

Since when exactly did people have to satisfy BlueUnicorn to show their loyalty to the US on FR? I have posted plenty of articles favourable to the F-35,as many against it or neutral (like this one). I don’t need to prove a point to jokers.


26 posted on 01/21/2012 6:26:23 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Bryan24

Wasn’t the Phantom’s early performance in Vietnam in part due to its lack of a cannon and under-performing Sparrow missile? It went on to claim a large number of kills in the same war.

And it performed very well for the Israelis who fought against pretty much the same aircraft and air defenses.


27 posted on 01/21/2012 6:29:34 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: DesertRhino
Except for stealth, which in 10 years will be defeated by extreme computer based improvements in radar,

Stealth can already be defeated by low band search RADAR datalinked to a fire control transceiver.

The thing is a joke.

That would be a correct assessment of most, if not all, of your posts on all things aviation related.

28 posted on 01/21/2012 9:20:16 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well, all new weapon systems have teething problems - especially if they feature cutting edge tech. But it has to be said that the F-35’s problems have been going on for quite a while now.


29 posted on 01/21/2012 11:59:37 PM PST by Vanders9
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