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Subculture of Americans prepares for civilization's collapse
Reuters ^ | Jan 21, 2012 | By Jim Forsyth

Posted on 01/21/2012 9:20:17 AM PST by Jet Jaguar

When Patty Tegeler looks out the window of her home overlooking the Appalachian Mountains in southwestern Virginia, she sees trouble on the horizon.

"In an instant, anything can happen," she told Reuters. "And I firmly believe that you have to be prepared."

Tegeler is among a growing subculture of Americans who refer to themselves informally as "preppers." Some are driven by a fear of imminent societal collapse, others are worried about terrorism, and many have a vague concern that an escalating series of natural disasters is leading to some type of environmental cataclysm.

They are following in the footsteps of hippies in the 1960s who set up communes to separate themselves from what they saw as a materialistic society, and the survivalists in the 1990s who were hoping to escape the dictates of what they perceived as an increasingly secular and oppressive government.

Preppers, though are, worried about no government.

Tegeler, 57, has turned her home in rural Virginia into a "survival center," complete with a large generator, portable heaters, water tanks, and a two-year supply of freeze-dried food that her sister recently gave her as a birthday present. She says that in case of emergency, she could survive indefinitely in her home. And she thinks that emergency could come soon.

"I think this economy is about to fall apart," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: emergencyprep; getreadyhereitcomes; preparedness; prepperping; preppers; prepping; selfreliance; shtf; survivalping; thecomingdarkness
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1 posted on 01/21/2012 9:20:24 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: randita; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; Sun; JulieRNR21; Lauren BaRecall

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2 posted on 01/21/2012 9:22:44 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Kartographer

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3 posted on 01/21/2012 9:23:30 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (Romney=Gun Grabber.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

bfl


4 posted on 01/21/2012 9:25:02 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I just don't see these people surviving the collapse of civilization


5 posted on 01/21/2012 9:26:10 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Funny how three years of “Hope” and “Change” will do that to people.


6 posted on 01/21/2012 9:26:45 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum vs. Romney: 1 state a piece. **SANTORUM** is leading Conservative in Delegate Total To-Date)
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To: Clintonfatigued; All

No doubt about it.


7 posted on 01/21/2012 9:29:10 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: Jet Jaguar
A fairly vapid piece, in my opinion.

The government has no money. Government charity will come to an inevitable end. Huge government budget cutbacks mean huge government layoffs.

The free market is a good thing. Big business is (mostly) a good thing -- but corporations are not your friend and they don't owe you a living.

Things are changing, and in the world which is being born, being able to stand on your own two feet and be self-sufficient is a good idea. The old way of life was show-cased after Katrina: people sat around and waited for someone to show up and rescue them. The smart people today are ready to take care of themselves.

This article emphasizes "the end of civilization", which is part of the concern, but hardly the whole picture.

8 posted on 01/21/2012 9:30:07 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
I think there is always a probability of having your world collapse for any number of reasons, and being prepared is just good, common sense.

The same thought process(es) that induce one to be educated to get a job, buy life/health insurance, fix the flat even though you have a spare .. etc., should expand to the other areas of life and living .. shelter, warmth, food, medical prevention/protection .. etc.

I confess to storing water prior to Y2K and stocking up on canned goods.

We ate pretty good for almost no money for the first 3 or 4 months of 2000

9 posted on 01/21/2012 9:30:15 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Oztrich Boy

The three on the left of the picture will. They can stay with me.


10 posted on 01/21/2012 9:31:36 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“following in the footsteps of hippies in the 1960s”......

I call BS on that one...hippies “tuned out”. I see preppers like myself and other like minds very “tuned in”.

Prepare for the worst hope for the best can not be repeated enough


11 posted on 01/21/2012 9:31:41 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Survive or not but I would love to be in a bunker with the three on the left :)


12 posted on 01/21/2012 9:31:56 AM PST by WyvernAK (Knowledge is Power, ie Obama is in trouble)
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To: Jet Jaguar
They are following in the footsteps of hippies in the 1960s who set up communes to separate themselves from what they saw as a materialistic society, and the survivalists in the 1990s who were hoping to escape the dictates of what they perceived as an increasingly secular and oppressive government.

Well, now expect the government to send in new recruits (police) to surveil. Jeeez, people just never think these things through.

13 posted on 01/21/2012 9:34:47 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: WyvernAK

At least one out of the three will gladly and willingly trade herself for security.


14 posted on 01/21/2012 9:35:19 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Yeah, can’t see those two “guys” on the right splitting wood without mussing their hair.


15 posted on 01/21/2012 9:41:21 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Oztrich Boy
I just don't see these people surviving the collapse of civilization

The 3 on the left might have a shot ...

16 posted on 01/21/2012 9:42:50 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I started getting concerned about six years ago. Two weeks before Obama was elected, I bought a small farm with a new home on in in central Kentucky. We moved to it as our permanent residence in August on 2011. We moved here from Seattle, which was my home since 1966. We are preparing our garden for next year, a pasture fore livestock, and a 40x80 building. We put all discretionary income into PM’s that we have in our possession or can get to in a few minutes.

We are preppers, and we expect the beginning of the SHTF to be this year. It becomes clearer and clearer with every news story. And lately, exposing the lies of the government and press are as easy as exposing the lies of teenagers.


17 posted on 01/21/2012 9:44:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

—Funny how three years of “Hope” and “Change” will do that to people.-

That was just the icing on the cake for me. For me it has been about six years.


18 posted on 01/21/2012 9:45:35 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

It only makes good sense. It doesn’t take anything out of a science-fiction novel to put your world upside down.

A Katrina, an earthquake, a mid-west-sized flood can take down normal supply lines and utility lines for even weeks.

And the most obvious is the loss of your job. If in the present economy you lost your job, how long will it be before you go back to work? You should work toward having enough on hand to see you through.

If you can survive a couple months out of work from whats in your pantry, you can also survive a bank collapse, or a Katrina for about that same period of time too.

Whatever happens, you should prepare for the family members who show up at your doorstep. You aren’t going to turn them away, so you’d better have a little extra.


19 posted on 01/21/2012 9:46:41 AM PST by marron
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To: WyvernAK

To be fair, there are really only two people in that picture. I’d still take the one on the left, though. ;)


20 posted on 01/21/2012 9:48:11 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

They seem to be dumbfounded by this? Have they not noticed that groceries cost 40% more this year than last year?Or what would happen if our fuel supply was cut off for an extended period how fast the grocery store shelves would be empty?Am sending hubby out to Kmart in a short while for a few more dozen canning jars.Kmart is having a sale this weekend that is 15% off of most items except those listed like electronics in case anyone wants anything.


21 posted on 01/21/2012 9:51:18 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Jet Jaguar

***.... hippies in the 1960s who set up communes..... and the survivalists in the 1990s who were hoping to escape the dictates of ........... secular and oppressive government.***

Nonsense. The hippies were not survivalists. they wanted a place for Sex and drugs. Their communes did not last long.

SURVIVALISTS started under the gross incompetence of the Jimmy Carter administration when it was found survival would be every man for himself. Mel Tappan’s books and articles in GUNS and AMMO became popular at that time.

This is when assault style rifles became really popular and the survivalist books by Kurt Saxon were selling out.

Survivalism waned for a time under Reagan, then revived with the Y2K nonsense.

Now it is back again with the gross incompetence of Obama.

I’ve been in survivalist mode since 1960. I had hand written notebooks on survival and wood craft since I first found a copy of Ellsworth Jaegar’s book WILDWOOD WISDOM, which was the FIRST hardcover book I ever bought.


22 posted on 01/21/2012 9:51:20 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( P!$$ on the Taliban. Issue MORE BEER!)
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To: Mortrey

LOL I’m afraid those guys would be afraid to go into the woods....


23 posted on 01/21/2012 9:53:50 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Jet Jaguar

We are essentially in a civil war over emancipating our children from debt slavery. The deficits really are that huge. http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


24 posted on 01/21/2012 9:53:58 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: tx_eggman

funny how easy it is to wipe out 40% of the population, as long as we get to decide which ;-)


25 posted on 01/21/2012 9:54:45 AM PST by bigbob
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To: knarf

“At least one out of the three will gladly and willingly trade herself for security.”

I detect a certain judgmentalism about that hypothetical “one out of three.”

That survival strategy is the natural order of things throughout the animal kingdom, and throughout the history of humans, who are a subset of that kingdom.

If the other two do not follow that strategy when society breaks down, whether gladly and willingly or not, they will not contribute to the gene pool, and their contribution to the biosphere will terminate as well.


26 posted on 01/21/2012 9:55:47 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: knarf

“At least one out of the three will gladly and willingly trade herself for security.”

I detect a certain judgmentalism about that hypothetical “one out of three.”

That survival strategy is the natural order of things throughout the animal kingdom, and throughout the history of humans, who are a subset of that kingdom.

If the other two do not follow that strategy when society breaks down, whether gladly and willingly or not, they will not contribute to the gene pool, and their contribution to the biosphere, except as nutrients to be recycled, will terminate as well.

I would not judge them.


27 posted on 01/21/2012 9:57:31 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: marron
***A Katrina, an earthquake, a mid-west-sized flood can take down normal supply lines and utility lines for even weeks.****

We saw that a few years ago when a really bad ice storm knocked out the power for several days.

People went into a panic. One woman was so unprepared she had to put her batteries in her radio in the day and use them in a flashlight at night.

Others were so stranded in their homes the National Guard was called out for rescue.

We lost power but did well on lanterns and oil lamps. Warm and snug as a bug in a rug.

The National guard made it to a cabin back in the woods and found a 90 year old woman doing just fine They made her leave her home anyway.

Then there was the deep snow last year. We could not get out but still did well. There is an erie quite that settled on this area as no one was going anywhere.

28 posted on 01/21/2012 10:02:09 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( P!$$ on the Taliban. Issue MORE BEER!)
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To: cuban leaf

A good use of cloning I say!


29 posted on 01/21/2012 10:02:57 AM PST by WyvernAK (Knowledge is Power, ie Obama is in trouble)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m a prepper too and with three children and nine grandchildren....who are oblivious....

So I prep for them and for more reasons than discussed on any public forum.

;-)


30 posted on 01/21/2012 10:04:35 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Always be prepared no matter what society is up to,things can change in a heart beat.


31 posted on 01/21/2012 10:05:42 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I was just a kid in 1960 but I remember well the fallout shelter craze, CONELRAD, and the ethical debate over the problem of unprepared neighbors. Your perspective shows that survival preparation is nothing new.

Since we go back that far, you must be familiar with Pat Frank’s “Alas Babylon” and the survival manual he wrote later. Also at the time Earl Stanley Gardner of Perry Mason fame published “How to Survive” in several issues of Field & Stream magazine. His favorite survival firearm was a .22 caliber handgun.

My favorite Pat Frank quote: “The day may come when a pound of tobacco is worth more than a pound of gold.”


32 posted on 01/21/2012 10:06:24 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: Jet Jaguar
"Subculture of Americans prepares for civilization's collapse"

We would be better served if Reuters did a story about those who are causing civilization's collapse.

33 posted on 01/21/2012 10:14:07 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: elcid1970

***My favorite Pat Frank quote: “The day may come when a pound of tobacco is worth more than a pound of gold.”***

I remember when Kurt Saxon was on the Phil Donahue show. When asked about buying gold, she said that in a collapse of civilization gold will do you no good. Invest in sewing needles, he said.

But then, he was expecting a complete collapse back to the stone age.

Most of my books are of the old Fur-Fish Game types from the 1930s. Hunting, trapping, living off the land, ect.


34 posted on 01/21/2012 10:15:52 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( P!$$ on the Taliban. Issue MORE BEER!)
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To: cuban leaf

Good for you, I am doing want I can but unfortunately I live between Houston and Galveston, off the beaten trail but entirely to close to the Mega City. But I do have a working water well, a nice large garden, plenty of caned goods, wood stove for cooking etc. And best of all Galveston Bay is my front yard so sea food will be on my menu should things go south. My only real worry is tons of friends that are doing nothing and Houston, 30 miles up the road. Every time I go shopping I’ll spend 20 or 30 bucks on stuff I think I might need. Been going that for 2 or 3 years so I am in good shape as long as city folk don’t find me. But I much rather have a farm in the country like you do, that is very cool.


35 posted on 01/21/2012 10:18:59 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Oztrich Boy
I just don't see these people surviving the collapse of civilization

Re your picture: Are the three ladies on the left all the same person? They look like clones in different outfits.

36 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:12 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Jet Jaguar

Obama could suspend the elections due to a horrific economic collapse he caused. He is desperate enough.


37 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:31 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Store what you eat, and eat what you store.
Prepare for when times get tough, or even if they don’t.
Words of wisdom from Jack Spirko of “The Survival Podcast”


38 posted on 01/21/2012 10:22:23 AM PST by rickomatic
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To: Jet Jaguar

The prepper movement is undeniably fascinating for media types and it’s an easy story.

I don’t know what will happen and pray/hope that somehow we will survive the seemingly inevitable economic collapse and disruption of services. Hyperinflation seems to be the most likely scenario given our weak leadership and penchant for printing money. Either scenario will result in chaos for an undetermined amount of time.

I think being prepared to survive any disruption is just common sense. I don’t think there is anything weird or strange about it, but I know lots of decent folks who think it’s weird. Our increasing reliance and trust of government gives people a false sense of security. We will not rely on anyone other than my myself, family, friends, and neighbors.

My choice, my money, my farm, and my time. If I am wrong I will be happy. The hobby farm is still a great lifestyle for my family and my kids will learn many skills that are more meaningful than videogames.


39 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:37 AM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: chris_bdba
“if our fuel supply was cut off for an extended period how fast the grocery store shelves would be empty?”

Got the answer in our neck of the woods in 2007, an ice storm crippled the State and the shelves in the city were empty in three days. Trucks couldn't get in because of the roads so people hit the stores like it was the end of the world. We got the last loaf of bread at Walmart. It was truly an eye opener.

40 posted on 01/21/2012 10:25:41 AM PST by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Re your picture: Are the three ladies on the left all the same person? They look like clones in different outfits.

Preppy girls. It's surprising how little individuality you can achieve if there's no thought going on inside.

41 posted on 01/21/2012 10:26:25 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: pepperdog

I always remember this clip from the series “Connections” about the technology trap, and how people would cope, and this was over 30 years ago, it’s even worse today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6H-w9Rm46o&feature=related


42 posted on 01/21/2012 10:30:26 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dagogo redux
The "thirds" show up in all manner of percentages ... One third of the populace supported the Revolution f'rinstance.

My comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek because the pictures are animations of the same girl.

As far as the gene pool is concerned .... welll ... MY father told us (6) boys, "A stiff dick has no conscience" .

You learn all that societal stuff waaayyy later in life ... after kids have been born and etc.

43 posted on 01/21/2012 10:30:34 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: tx_eggman
I just don't see these people surviving the collapse of civilization

Don't let that fairy in the pink trousers fool you! If necessary, when TSHTF he'll claw your eyes out for a bottle of shampoo and conditioner!

44 posted on 01/21/2012 10:47:57 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Jet Jaguar

bflr


45 posted on 01/21/2012 10:48:56 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: eartick
and many have a vague concern that an escalating series of natural disasters is leading to some type of environmental cataclysm.

I don't believe that a significant number of preppers are worrying about an "environmental cataclysm". Our concerns are political and economic.

My liberal in laws think we are kooks for having 6 months of food and necessities on hand. Ditto (especially) for our projectile oriented home protection devices. IMO what is really stupid is shopping on Sunday and buying only 1 week's supply of food and essentials. They will literally be going hungry on day 8 or 9 without going to the grocery store. They think (and more or less say) that anything more than 2 weeks of preparations is wacko. Of course they are all set to vote for Zero again.

46 posted on 01/21/2012 11:06:48 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Subculture of Americans prepares for civilization's collapse

So now being prepared and self-reliant gets you labelled as being in a "subculture," whereas those on the rooftops of N'awlins during Katrina were just poor victims of George Bush, who didn't like them to begin with.

47 posted on 01/21/2012 11:10:41 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: PzLdr
"The three on the left of the picture will."

I believe that those "three" are really one.

48 posted on 01/21/2012 11:14:42 AM PST by matthew fuller (Mitt is not a used car salesman- he's an aborted fetus salesman! http://www.stopstericycle.com/)
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To: cuban leaf

It’s very possible, especially if obamma incites his people to rioting, etc. I was a boy scout.
Where abouts in Seattle did you live?


49 posted on 01/21/2012 11:16:49 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Mercer Island, then Kent, then renton, then bellevue, then Mercer Island, then Kent, then Renton and finally Bellevue (factoria) in anticipation of my move out here. I actually lived in the apartments just south of T-Mobile corporate. It is because the last five years I worked there. For the last year and a half I walked to work every day. Five minutes from door to desk.

Now I drive 50 minutes, but on deserted two lane highways at 70-80 mph. I love my commute, but I’m burnin’ through my car.


50 posted on 01/21/2012 11:28:09 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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