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Money for Santorum
RedState ^ | 22 January 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 01/21/2012 10:53:47 PM PST by gogogodzilla

I can confirm tonight from multiple sources that phone calls are in fact occurring between Republicans in Washington and among evangelical leaders to raise money for Rick Santorum rapidly.

The sources tell me that this is not for a Santorum win, though the evangelicals I spoke to continue to hope it is possible. This is to stop Newt Gingrich. One evangelical leader I spoke to said, “If Newt wins, we won’t be able to make family values an issue in the general.” One lobbyist I spoke to said, “They [the GOP leaders in DC] are really nervous about Gingrich and they think he’d be a disaster. The best way to shut him down is to prop up Rick.”

Florida is going to get interesting.


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I didn't see this posted.

It looks like Santorum is playing spoiler because evangelicals want social issues to be the top priority.

1 posted on 01/21/2012 10:53:55 PM PST by gogogodzilla
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To: gogogodzilla
The sources tell me that this is not for a Santorum win, though the evangelicals I spoke to continue to hope it is possible. This is to stop Newt Gingrich. One evangelical leader I spoke to said, “If Newt wins, we won’t be able to make family values an issue in the general.”

What in the Hell? Do they think that a pro-abortion Romney will be better for "family values"?????
2 posted on 01/21/2012 10:55:46 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: gogogodzilla

Which is dumb. You can play the morality game all day long while you’re starving to death.


3 posted on 01/21/2012 10:56:58 PM PST by TheZMan (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2794639/posts)
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To: gogogodzilla

They want to shut this down?
http://www.newt.org/solutions/protecting-life-and-religious-liberty


4 posted on 01/21/2012 10:57:10 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: gogogodzilla

It’s the economy, stupid!

(gogododzilla, stupid not directed at you :)


5 posted on 01/21/2012 10:58:18 PM PST by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: gogogodzilla

This sure can’t be all Evangelicals, because Evangelicals right now are Newt’s strength, and Romney’s weakness.

80 percent of South Carolina GOP voters identified themselves as Protestants. Their vote breakdown was:
* 42% Gingrich;
* 27% Romney;
* 17% Santorum;
* 12% Paul.

13 percent of South Carolina voters identified themselves as Roman Catholic. Their vote breakdown was:
* 37% Gingrich;
* 29% Romney;
* 15% Santorum;
* 10% Paul.

When you split out the Evangelicals/born agains within the Protestant vote, they voted:
* 44% Gingrich;
* 22% Romney;
* 21% Santorum;
* 13% Paul.


6 posted on 01/21/2012 10:59:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: gogogodzilla

Let’s wait and see. What you are saying doesn’t make sense. I am a Santorum fan but right now, Newt is running as a conservative, mentioning his family all the time. I don’t think hurting Newt at this point will help conservatism or family values.

Some insiders might know other shoes to drop against Gingrich, but Newt has weathered the attacks very well so far.

Let the race continue fair and square. I’m glad Santorum did well. Let them campaign. No one is “closer to Gd than thee” so let’s not have a religious war between them.


7 posted on 01/21/2012 11:00:13 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Explorer89

If it was just about the economy then we would have no problem voting for the business guy who supports gay pride and taxpayer supported abortions.


8 posted on 01/21/2012 11:00:13 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: gogogodzilla

It looks like the RINOs in Washington want to use their cocktail party and country club money to try to blunt Mitt’s main competition. It would not matter whether they were social conservatives or fiscal conservatives. Who ever can help Mitt by taking out his main competition (Gingrich) will be flooded with money.

The elites are afraid of Newt. But they know Romney is too weak a candidate to fight him off alone.

You would think that evangelicals would know better than to take the blood money.

You would think the elites would realize how weak this makes Mitt look.


9 posted on 01/21/2012 11:00:49 PM PST by Waryone (Mitt Romney, the father of gay marriage and socialized medicine in the US, is a lying socialist)
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To: Explorer89

Exactly. Family values take care of themselves, especially in a good economy.


10 posted on 01/21/2012 11:01:16 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: TheZMan
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36
11 posted on 01/21/2012 11:02:16 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: gogogodzilla
One lobbyist I spoke to said, “They [the GOP leaders in DC] are really nervous about Gingrich and they think he’d be a disaster. The best way to shut him down is to prop up Rick.”

and end up with Romney.

12 posted on 01/21/2012 11:03:53 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: Yaelle

This is from RedState and Eric Erickson. He’s got an inside line into GOP politics.


13 posted on 01/21/2012 11:03:57 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Well, that’s just nuts. Newt is a Christian. He’s confessed his sins, repented, asked for forgiveness and seeks redemption. I have full faith in his sincerity. Torpedoing Newt at this time will deliver the nomination to Romney and the election to Obama. How great can that be?


14 posted on 01/21/2012 11:05:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: gogogodzilla

FURS


15 posted on 01/21/2012 11:05:13 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: gogogodzilla
Why in the world would the family values voter take a chance to allow Mitt (he's weak on pro life) in or Obama back in? They have to vote for what's best for the nation. Once the economy is working again, the family values will take care of itself. imo.
16 posted on 01/21/2012 11:05:45 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: gogogodzilla

Santorum won Iowa and came in only 10 points behind Romney in South Carolina. After what happened to Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain...it might be good to have one more parachute on hand in case Newt is next to stumble.


17 posted on 01/21/2012 11:05:45 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: gogogodzilla

Any Evangelical who thinks family issues is going to be the driving force behind this election is an idiot.

It’s going to be jobs, debt, economic performance, and the military.

All strong points with Newt.


18 posted on 01/21/2012 11:08:17 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: gogogodzilla

We need to win over the santorum voters that can be won over and marginalize those that can not which means Rick Santorum needs to be mitigated, not eliminated. I want Santorum to stay in for a while. It gives us the opportunity to win over as many of his supporters as possible without immediately offending all of them and sending them teary eyed and angry into the Romney camp.


19 posted on 01/21/2012 11:08:52 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: icwhatudo

I agree but they shouldn’t try to bring Newt down in order to help Santorum. They both agree on the same social conservative issues. The only reason why Newt would be a ‘problem’ for social conservatives is if his personal history was brought up in a destructive way, not because of his positions.


20 posted on 01/21/2012 11:10:02 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: icwhatudo

If Santorum were to take a rational hint and drop out, these primaries could pretty much be over and Newt could wrap up FL with ease.

Instead Santorum’s being a sanctimonious POS and sticking in as the spoiler. I’m seriously beginning to hate Santorum for being so selfish.


21 posted on 01/21/2012 11:10:53 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: af_vet_rr

Don’t be silly. This has nothing to do with evangelicals. This is all beltway. Even the story is planted to stir up doubt among Newt’s coalition. He has united low income workers, evangelicals and fiscal conservatives, the same way Reagan did. Now the elites are scared to death. So they have their media put out an article apparently showing the largest faction, the only faction with a candidate in the race besides Gingrich, working with the devil to defeat Newt.

These evangelicals are probably the same sell outs that told people to vote for Romney. They are trying to split the conservatives into small factions. Don’t take the bait.

I don’t have a horse in this race. They are all loaded with problems. I just know that Mitt and his slimy elite friends are the worse.


22 posted on 01/21/2012 11:11:03 PM PST by Waryone (Mitt Romney, the father of gay marriage and socialized medicine in the US, is a lying socialist)
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To: Jim Robinson

It *is* nuts. But if RedState and Erick Erickson are posting it, then it’s safe to say that it is happening.

Which ought to make us think about the goal of evangelicals in this election.


For it’s telling me that they honestly don’t give a flying rat’s @ss about a small-government... or a healthy, growing economy.


23 posted on 01/21/2012 11:11:13 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

I wonder if what’s really happening is that these “evangelical leaders” are being asked by the GOP establishment to be money launderers to funnel money to Santorum without it looking like he’s getting money from the establishment, but getting it from evangelicals. While the launderers gets to keep part of this money for their role.


24 posted on 01/21/2012 11:12:25 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: gogogodzilla

‘One evangelical leader I spoke to said, “If Newt wins, we won’t be able to make family values an issue in the general.”’

Pretty stupid logic. Christianity requires repentance and reform, not perfection. Even Jimmy Carter understood that. Pity this ‘evangelical leader’ does not.


25 posted on 01/21/2012 11:13:06 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Instead Santorum’s being a sanctimonious POS and sticking in as the spoiler. I’m seriously beginning to hate Santorum for being so selfish.”

Well, everyone was upset at Huckabee for spoiling the race in 2008, handing the nomination to McCain instead of dropping out to support the true conservative in the race: Mitt Romney.

Elections are so strange.


26 posted on 01/21/2012 11:15:13 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: icwhatudo

icwhatudo wrote:
“it might be good to have one more parachute on hand in case Newt is next to stumble.”

You do know what happens when two parachutes get tangled on the way down, do you not? That is what could easily happen if 2nd parachute Rick stays too long. There is nothing the left and DC insiders would like more than to see Newt and Rick plummet to the ground tangled up in each other while Willard lands safely in the middle of the bulls-eye they have taken so much time and effort to paint on the ground for him.


27 posted on 01/21/2012 11:15:28 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: gogogodzilla
It looks like Santorum is playing spoiler because evangelicals want social issues to be the top priority.

How is Rick a spoiler. Voters vote the way they want. Making veiled attacks at Social Conservatives is nonsense. Newt won tonight and that makes it a win for all candidates so far state wise.

28 posted on 01/21/2012 11:15:54 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Truthsearcher

I dunno. It’s a possibility.

As it stands, I’m going to bed, for it’s 0200 here. I figured I’d post this before I hit the hay as I saw it on RedState as I was winding down for the evening.

I’ll get back to everyone tomorrow (or today, considering).

:-P


29 posted on 01/21/2012 11:16:58 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Jonty30

This evangelical agrees on all points with your post.


30 posted on 01/21/2012 11:18:16 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: gogogodzilla
One evangelical leader I spoke to said

If he's actually a leader he can give his name, otherwise the whole report is nothing but hearsay.

31 posted on 01/21/2012 11:19:05 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: gogogodzilla

What? People outside of South Carolina might not be open marriage fans?


32 posted on 01/21/2012 11:21:14 PM PST by byteback
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To: gogogodzilla

Well, you can judge all evangelicals for the actions of a few. I think Newt did very well among evangelicals today.


33 posted on 01/21/2012 11:21:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: ari-freedom

Shrug. I supported Fred Thompson in ‘08.

Now in 2012, we have a real chance in Newt—as evinced by his huge winning margin across the demographic board in SC tonight.

I don’t want turds like Santorum spoiling this punch bowl.


34 posted on 01/21/2012 11:22:13 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: gogogodzilla

I respect Santorum, though I believe and have believed that he cannot be elected president.

Something about his personality fails to inspire, that is just a reality. Something I learned from my younger brother is that he is also viewed as “too conservative” by some for whatever its worth.

People need to understand that this is about defeating Hussein Obama, and for that we need a fighter.

I do not believe that this is a time to die on the hill of idealogical purity and perfection.

This is the time to defeat our homosexual communist muslim racist president.

Let’s roll!


35 posted on 01/21/2012 11:22:13 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Jim Robinson; gogogodzilla

Just nuts is right. Something about this does not add up. The only sense I can make of it is that it’s like a “Monopoly” alliance, where two players team up hoping to take out the common threat (Newt), then duke it out later between themselves (Romney vs Santorum).


36 posted on 01/21/2012 11:25:16 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Psalm 144

I find Evangelicals very level headed, most times.

But these bunch are very much misreading the American mood, in general and, if they think they can win on their pet issues.

I do agree with Evangelicals that wrong values is at the heart of America’s problems. Their just not winnable values, unfortunately.


37 posted on 01/21/2012 11:30:34 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jim Robinson

oops, that’s “Can’t judge.”


38 posted on 01/21/2012 11:30:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Well, that’s just nuts. Newt is a Christian. He’s confessed his sins, repented, asked for forgiveness and seeks redemption. I have full faith in his sincerity. Torpedoing Newt at this time will deliver the nomination to Romney and the election to Obama. How great can that be?”

I wouldn’t worry too much about it, this scheme is almost certain to backfire. Rush will likely talk about it along with many other talk radio shows. If voters believe (and even have reports) that Santorum is nothing more than a Romney stalking horse, they will rally to Newt in even greater numbers.


39 posted on 01/21/2012 11:31:55 PM PST by lquist1
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To: Springfield Reformer; Jim Robinson; gogogodzilla; Utmost Certainty

Santorum said tonight he plans to go after Gingrich hard on “character” issues.

Sounds like down and dirty to me.

Romney will be pleased.

I hope Newt smacks the snot out of both of them.


40 posted on 01/21/2012 11:33:24 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: gogogodzilla
So these would be the hypocrites amongst evangelicals ? Wouldn't good Christians accept Newt's repentance ?
41 posted on 01/21/2012 11:35:11 PM PST by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good point. I ought to be more precise in my language.

The article makes it pretty clear that evangical leadership is prioritizing social issues in this election... and have come out saying so. (From the article: “One evangelical leader I spoke to said, “If Newt wins, we won’t be able to make family values an issue in the general.””)

So it stands to reason that those who actively follow them at this point will have the same agenda this election.


42 posted on 01/21/2012 11:36:25 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: onyx
Santorum said tonight he plans to go after Gingrich hard on “character” issues.

Santorum is a filthy, disgusting hypocrite then.
43 posted on 01/21/2012 11:38:21 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: gogogodzilla

Would not be surprised if it was a Romney front.


44 posted on 01/21/2012 11:38:54 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: icwhatudo
Santorum won Iowa-big deal.

Santorum is done.

45 posted on 01/21/2012 11:40:37 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: chris37

“Something about his personality fails to inspire, that is just a reality. Something I learned from my younger brother is that he is also viewed as “too conservative” by some for whatever its worth.”

They are almost equally conservative. But like you said, Newt can inspire, he’s a fighter and the other just meekly raises his hand and says “why not vote for me?”


46 posted on 01/21/2012 11:42:14 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: Jonty30

“I do agree with Evangelicals that wrong values is at the heart of America’s problems. Their just not winnable values, unfortunately.”

My view is that the culture war is not won through legislation. It is won principally through example and persuasion. Frankly, I find some of Gingrich’s personal history inspiring. He is someone who was knocked down, and got up. That shows me another dimension than someone whose butt never forcibly connected with the earth.

Gingrich does not demonstrate perfection, but he does demonstrate resolve, resilience and analysis.


47 posted on 01/21/2012 11:42:31 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: Waryone; gogogodzilla; TheZMan; ansel12; Utmost Certainty
Rick is being used by the GOP. He knows it. At some point ego fades and conscious slips in.
Rick wants the appropriate exit strategy, one that places his (our) core moral values as a plank.
Newt is "stealing" the whole platform, not a plank, from the GOP.
The GOP is promising Rick the moon while covertly pushing his campaign. Newt does not have the machine afforded Romney.
Some high level staffer, a conservative powerhouse or Newt himself will have to approach Rick with the "offer".
Rick feels the appointed Christian Conservative High Ground Candidate. I don't fault him at this point.
Should Newt 2012 present him with a shining exit prior to Florida he should take it.
Again, he is being used. Not pretty.
Merely observations from a Goldwater Conservative.

@icwhatudo

We are no longer at altitude, no stumbling, no ripcords…

48 posted on 01/21/2012 11:43:18 PM PST by bksanders (Â…tagline redacted by SOPA)
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To: onyx

If you didn’t see this article yet, I think it’s interesting and provides a good counterclaim re: questions of Newt’s integrity:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/20/newt-gingrichs-three-marriages-mean-might-make-strong-president-really/


49 posted on 01/21/2012 11:44:57 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: icwhatudo

Yep. I think it’s like speed skating in the Winter Olympics. You keep on skating, no matter how far behind you are, because the people who look like they are way ahead could take a tumble any second, and you will be the last one standing.

I definitely don’t want Ron Paul to be the last skater in the race. Santorum should hang in there.


50 posted on 01/21/2012 11:45:16 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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