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Teacher: It's a feeling of us vs. them
Odessa American ^ | 1/22/12 | Cayler Ballinger

Posted on 01/22/2012 11:22:38 AM PST by Nachum

Cleaning out years of projects and student art from her classroom was an emotional process for Teri Cowan, but she felt it was her only choice. Cowan worked for the Ector County Independent School District for 23 years, 13 of those years teaching Advanced Placement and International Baccalaureate sophomore English at Odessa High School. She was teacher of the year for the 2010-11 school year at the high school and secondary teacher of the year for ECISD for the 1995-96 school year. As well as volunteering as the National Honor Society, prom and class council sponsors. Tuesday, Jan. 17, was

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To: GeronL
It’s still a union in all but name

On what do you base your assertion. They have no collective bargaining, no direct input on administrative decisions, participation is voluntaryand their only leverage is in the political arena. In your world how do they qualify as a union in all but the name?

101 posted on 01/22/2012 9:49:42 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: wintertime

See post #1 and join the group.


102 posted on 01/22/2012 9:52:49 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: wintertime

My apology for the typo.

Please see post #100.


103 posted on 01/22/2012 9:53:54 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: netmilsmom

Please feel free to impart your wealth of knowledge and wisdom in response to post #101.


104 posted on 01/22/2012 9:57:21 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: GeronL

something about new software and having to enter student data and lessons into it.

She came off as whiny - but the whole software thing does sound like a waste of time.

The problems with our schools have nothing to do with whether or not kid’s info is accessible on the computer.
I think “progressive” educators love to brag about how tech-savvy they’ve become....but in the end it’s a crock.


105 posted on 01/22/2012 9:59:08 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Clara Lou

in our state - it’s the state ed. lovelies who are handing down the orders and expecting everyone to hop to it.
Their grasp of....reality...is limited.


106 posted on 01/22/2012 10:01:01 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: wintertime
Unfortunately for you this is still a free country and when you make ignorant comments I will feel free to refute them. Also unfortunately for you, your refusal to debate says much more about YOU and the weakness of your position.

Now I asked you why you don't rail against the Police and Fire Departments which are also members of public unions.

Why you don't rail against the police who enforce the laws of the "leftist" government?

Please respond I am sure many people want o know how you can maintain such a hypocritical stance.

107 posted on 01/23/2012 2:15:24 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: Lancey Howard
Lancy I agree with your points, which is why I teach in a rural district. and I have tried to have rational conversations with the Ron Paul fringe elements on these threads. I have tried to explain to them that in the cities that there is a certain percentage that come from single parent homes that simply can't home school, or in may two parent homes that both parents need to work just to keep a roof over their head. Sadly they simply won't engage in rational discussion. I am all in favor of charter schools, home schools, and vouchers, I feel that competition will only improve ALL schools.
108 posted on 01/23/2012 2:22:07 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: CMAC51; netmilsmom; wintertime; metmom
Your ignorance was in blaming a non-existent union.

CMAC51, you will find that the three FReepers I co-pinged NEVER ever let the facts get in their way.

Thank you for helping to put them in their place.

109 posted on 01/23/2012 2:27:08 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: verga; CMAC51

CMAC51 spelled “ignorance” wrong.

At a certain point (probably before you call someone a Nazi), you stop digging your grave.


110 posted on 01/23/2012 5:45:19 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: CMAC51; netmilsmom
You already demonstrated your ingnorance, do you really want to advance to stupidity?

You showed her real good.......

***sigh***

111 posted on 01/23/2012 6:50:08 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Nachum; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; ...

ping


112 posted on 01/23/2012 7:03:21 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: GeronL

Lots of testimonials at the site for this teacher. Too bad you won’t see them...


113 posted on 01/23/2012 7:25:42 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: metmom

Well, on this thread I’m ingnorant and a nazi.

Sometimes, ya just can’t make this stuff up.


114 posted on 01/23/2012 7:33:18 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: FryingPan101

pics on Sodahead

115 posted on 01/23/2012 7:56:11 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: CMAC51; netmilsmom
I had surgery recently. If the directors of the hospital had insisted that the surgeon and anesthesiologists do surgery in rooms that were unworkable, with computers with “glitches”,and poorly trained operating room administrators and technicians, my surgeon and the anesthesiologist would have refused to cooperate. If the administrators had insisted on surgical or anesthesiology methods that were ineffective or harmful, my surgeon and anesthesiologist would have canceled the surgery. And....They would have moved their medical and surgical practices to another hospital.

Why? Answer: They are professionals.

So?....Yes, teachers ( who claim to be professionals) **are** responsible for cooperating with unworkable systems and teaching methods that they **know** are ineffective and even hurtful to children.

As for you bigoted remarks about immigrants, my experience is completely different. My husband and I were asked to work with the Spanish speaking congregation of our denomination in our county. ( We are fluent in Spanish). Immigrant parents care deeply about education.

The parents in our congregation are appalled that their children are not learning to read. How could they? The government schools are using whole word methods. These kids, being very bright, quickly learn the 300 or so sight words in these programs but soon hit a wall in the third grade. The new-new-”discovery” math has even the Anglo parents befuddled.

The Spanish speaking parents beg that their children repeat the year so they can learn English before moving on, but the government school thugs ( teachers cooperating) insist that they not only attempt to learn English ( in “bilingual” classes) but the next year's new work as well. Not only is this ghettoizing of children into bilingual classes and staying on grade level ineffective, it is hurtful! The teachers know it, too but everyday they**willingly** cooperate with and implement this educational malpractice.

Fundamentally, our Spanish parents are shocked when they learn that their children are not being taught by the same highly effective “mud-hut” methods of instruction ( and discipline) that they enjoyed in their home countries.

Fundamentally, after having worked with Anglo and Spanish speaking cub scouts for more than 3 years, I have concluded the following:

The **only** children in this county who are getting an education are being homeschooled or “afterschooled” by parents, friends, of the family, church tutors, or privately paid tutors. Those who are not homeschooled or afterschooled will be functionally illiterate and innumerate.

Finally, personally, I don't know how teachers could willingly agree to force a child to think and reason godlessly. Many children are in the government schools by compulsion ( by law)! Our nation's schools are ( by law) godlessly secular humanist. Simply to cooperate in the classroom, read the texts, and complete assignments the child must think and reason godlessly. How could it be otherwise? Why would any teacher cooperate with forcing a child to do that?

116 posted on 01/23/2012 8:42:21 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Clara Lou
I concur with this teacher’s comments. My career as a Texas teacher ends with this school year. I’ve had it with know-nothing school boards, underqualified-but-overpaid superintendents, idiot principals and their unrealistic, CYA demands on teachers. I’ve had it with the federal government’s nose in the tent.

Teachers (at least in Texas) are being driven out by demands made on them. You’d have to be out of your mind to go into teaching. I told my daughter in-law not even to consider the field of education.

My wife will also be retiring in disgust as a special ed teacher here in Texas at the end of this school year. Your post is spot on. The amount of CYA BS bureaucracy that helps drive No Child Left Behind/ESL/TEKS- STAAR ad nausea makes it damned near impossible for teachers to actually teach excellence anymore. Texas public schools are little more than minimum security prisons for kids to attend and receive their primary indoctrination before attending advanced indoctrination in universities.

117 posted on 01/23/2012 9:02:59 AM PST by TADSLOS (Gingrich-Palin FTW!)
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To: netmilsmom; wintertime
Well, on this thread I’m ingnorant and a nazi.

Well, you can't help it and either can I.

After all, we ARE products of the public education system.

For all they disparage homeschoolers, what the educrats fail to realize is that virtually all homsechool parents to about this point in time DID the homeschooling and were not the homeschooled.

Virtually all of us were products of the public education system and any deficiencies we display can be rightly laid at the feet of their public education system which they so vehemently defend.

And that's why we decided to homsehool. At least our eyes have been opened to what's really going on and we're trying to spare our children the same fate.

My poor ingnorant homeschooled daughter just pulled a 4.0 for her spring semester in grad school.

My youngest is so far ahead in her sophomore year, that she looks to be able to start grad level courses well before she graduates with her UNDERGRAD degree. And that was after switching colleges after her first year and having to catch up in her area of major.

Sure, what failures homeschoolers are..... /s

118 posted on 01/23/2012 10:44:43 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wintertime
As for you bigoted remarks about immigrants, my experience is completely different. My husband and I were asked to work with the Spanish speaking congregation of our denomination in our county. ( We are fluent in Spanish). Immigrant parents care deeply about education.

The parents in our congregation are appalled that their children are not learning to read. How could they? The government schools are using whole word methods. These kids, being very bright, quickly learn the 300 or so sight words in these programs but soon hit a wall in the third grade. The new-new-”discovery” math has even the Anglo parents befuddled.

The Spanish speaking parents beg that their children repeat the year so they can learn English before moving on, but the government school thugs ( teachers cooperating) insist that they not only attempt to learn English ( in “bilingual” classes) but the next year's new work as well. Not only is this ghettoizing of children into bilingual classes and staying on grade level ineffective, it is hurtful! The teachers know it, too but everyday they**willingly** cooperate with and implement this educational malpractice.

Fundamentally, our Spanish parents are shocked when they learn that their children are not being taught by the same highly effective “mud-hut” methods of instruction ( and discipline) that they enjoyed in their home countries.

I have no idea of your location so I do not know what type of Hispanic community you are dealing with. In Texas, there are definately Hispanic families very focused on their education. However, they are not the norm. Too many believe education for girls is a waste of time. Too many will not participate in conferences or even respond to notes or inquiries. It is not bigotry, it is basic fact. My wife is a Reading Specialist and is therefore involved in the remedial conferences and review. So she is completey aware of who is constructively involved and who is actually creating an impediment to improvement. It is the Hispanic community that insists on English as a Second Language programs

Phonics is the basis for reading education in Texas. It has been since the recommendations of the Perot commission were adopted.

Why? Answer: They are professionals.

How ridiculously niave. Surgeons and anathesiologist are at the top of the food chain. They have economic clout. Talk to the nurses and emergency care pesonell and see what they deal with. They are professionals yet they deal with understaffing, questionable equipment and glitchy computer systems. Better yet, talk to the ER staff of a county hospital and see what they have to work through. Your example is meaningless since you ignore econimics in the situation.

119 posted on 01/23/2012 10:46:03 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: metmom

Typos are a capital crime now?


120 posted on 01/23/2012 10:49:00 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: netmilsmom

Much more important to attack typos than deal with fact?


121 posted on 01/23/2012 10:50:33 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: netmilsmom

Much more important to attack typos than deal with fact?


122 posted on 01/23/2012 10:50:46 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: netmilsmom

Much more important to attack typos than deal with fact?


123 posted on 01/23/2012 10:51:04 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51
. Too many will not participate in conferences or even respond to notes or inquiries.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Why? Because they are smart! They have figured it out.

I have **never** been to a parent teacher or principal conference that wasn't a complete waste of my life!!! ( I wish I could have that time back.)

Teachers and principals are not going to hold a child back while they are immersed in an **English**only classroom. Teachers and principals are NOT going to abandon whole word or the “New-new-new discovery Math programs. They are NOT going to issue vouchers so that the child can escape the non-stop godless indoctrination.

And this statement is very cute! “Phonics is the **basis** for reading education in Texas.”

Translation: There is some phonics thrown in haphazardly to pacify and fool the masses. It is a phonics program or it is not. “Based” on phonics likely isn't phonics.

As for bigotry toward ER nurses: I see them every day for IV infusions. They are highly professional. The medicines are always there, mixed property, and ready to go. The IV pump machines **always** work **perfectly**. Every room that I have been placed has been immaculate. They offer me juice, soda, water, crackers. The staff has been friendly and I have been seen on time every time.

124 posted on 01/23/2012 11:15:00 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: CMAC51

Fact
The three-yearly OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which compares the knowledge and skills of 15-year-olds in 70 countries around the world, ranked the United States 14th out of 34 OECD countries for reading skills, 17th for science and a below-average 25th for mathematics.

We need to do something different. We need to educate our kids. We need to stop paying the retirement and healthcare of past teachers until we get back to our past ratings as the best schools in the US. We need to take the best of you and ditch the rest. Not every teacher is bad, but it is rare to find one that will place any blame on their co-workers. I have teachers in my family, I’ve taught, I’ve known many of you.

Or the schools can implode as they are doing right now. Look up Garfield Heights, Ohio.

You see, I already bought my curriculum this year and MI has recently passed Virtual Charters into the mix. I know women who are getting a nice baby sitting business going. They’ll be watching other kids while moms work and the students attend Michigan Virtual Academy. It doesn’t take a BA in education to do it either. While teachers point fingers, parents are working things out.


125 posted on 01/23/2012 11:19:34 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: metmom

>>Virtually all of us were products of the public education system and any deficiencies we display can be rightly laid at the feet of their public education system which they so vehemently defend.

And that’s why we decided to homsehool. At least our eyes have been opened to what’s really going on and we’re trying to spare our children the same fate.<<

Amen.


126 posted on 01/23/2012 11:28:02 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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127 posted on 01/23/2012 1:28:12 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: CMAC51; netmilsmom
Typos are a capital crime now?

It's a pretty silly mistake to make when one is a public educator telling a homeschool parent that she's ignorant, advancing to stupidity.

If you're going to throw around pejorative like that, expect a reaction if you're not going to be perfect in your posting.

Homeschoolers have little tolerance for criticism from the public education eestablishment for the job we're doing when we put out a superior product for less an investment of time and money, and without the *benefit* of having a *teaching* degree. (Although that's a whole 'nother issue)

128 posted on 01/23/2012 2:12:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CMAC51; netmilsmom
Much more important to attack typos than deal with fact?

Don't start with the personal attacks then.

129 posted on 01/23/2012 2:15:14 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: netmilsmom
Please note, I am not defending the Educational System of Texas. It has backslid miserably since the late 90's. I am defending the teachers who were falsely indicted as the root cause.

We need to educate our kids. We need to stop paying the retirement and healthcare of past teachers until we get back to our past ratings as the best schools in the US.

The Teachers fully fund their retirement account through payroll deduction. The TEA negotiates favorable insurance rates for retirees. The retirees pay the premium. So taxpayers are not paying for retired teachers in Texas.

Not every teacher is bad, but it is rare to find one that will place any blame on their co-workers.

Again I do not know your location or environment, however your statement may incorrect for the Texas School Systems I have had contact with. Teachers are critical of both the commitment and performance of their peers. Texas teachers also are subject to observations where their performance is critically reviewed and included as part of their annual summative. I qualify it as may, since my level of contact is limited to the school districts my children attended or that my wife was employed.

You see, I already bought my curriculum this year and MI has recently passed Virtual Charters into the mix.

Ah, location is revealed. I spent my first 27 years in Michigan so I better understand your position. My sister in law is a retired teacher and I used to play weekend basketball and softball with several teachers and elementary principals so I am well aware of the problems of the 70's and it would seem things got worse over the years.

Having experienced the environments of both Texas and Michigan I can unequivocally state the problems in Texas are not the problems in Michigan, both structurally and financially. Of the two, if given the task, I would prefer the problems in Texas as a starting point.

130 posted on 01/23/2012 2:31:28 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: wintertime
Why? Because they are smart! They have figured it out. I have **never** been to a parent teacher or principal conference that wasn't a complete waste of my life!!! ( I wish I could have that time back.)

These conferences involve administration, the teacher and a specialist like my wife. They are for the purpose of determining the remedial action and support that will be made available to the student. Any parent that feels this is a waste of time only demonstrates my original report. For a fifth grader, they are vital since in Texas a fifth grader cannot be promoted if they fail the required tests. If a suitable corrective action plan is approved at the "waste of time" conference the student may be conditionally promoted if they follow the plan.

And this statement is very cute! “Phonics is the **basis** for reading education in Texas.” Translation: There is some phonics thrown in haphazardly to pacify and fool the masses. It is a phonics program or it is not. “Based” on phonics likely isn't phonics.

Let me restate to remove any doubt. Phonics is the foundation for reading education in Texas. End of Story!

As for bigotry toward ER nurses: I see them every day for IV infusions. They are highly professional. The medicines are always there, mixed property, and ready to go. The IV pump machines **always** work **perfectly**. Every room that I have been placed has been immaculate. They offer me juice, soda, water, crackers. The staff has been friendly and I have been seen on time every time.

I doubt that you are dealing with a county funded Hospital. My son, a Paramedic/Firefighter, and my son-in-law, a doctor employed by the county hospital authority who visits facilities throughout the country, both privately funded and county funded, to approve residency and fellowship programs, could paint you a much clearer and less rosy picture.

I hold no bigotry toward ER personnel. I highly respect them and the job they are doing. I also recognize the difference on the food chain between them and Surgeons and Anesthesiologist, my original point.

131 posted on 01/23/2012 2:53:06 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51; metmom

>>I am defending the teachers who were falsely indicted as the root cause.<<

Well actually, I said the Union was against both of us.
Someone who wasn’t looking to pick a fight might have stated that while TX has no union contracts, they have Associations which are on the side of the National Teachers Association and the National Education Association. Then the blame would have gone there.

>>The Teachers fully fund their retirement account through payroll deduction.<<

Current law requires that the state contribution rate
cannot be lower than the member contribution rate.
The current member rate is 6.4%. As a result of a ruling
by the Texas Attorney General, the state contribution
rate for fiscal year 2011 is 6.644%, making the
combined rate 13.044%.
http://www.trs.state.tx.us/about/documents/trs_value_brochure.pdf

Again, the US has slipped far down in education. Texas isn’t in the top 10 of the states. Of course you’ll be less than happy with those who do your job ourselves. We’re not happy with paying for a product that is substandard either.


132 posted on 01/23/2012 2:54:28 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: metmom

Get your facts straight before verbally attacking a group that you obviously know nothing about and there will be no problem.


133 posted on 01/23/2012 2:56:22 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51

>>Ah, location is revealed.<<

Oh, and if you want to see where I’m from, click on my name.
There is a little flag in the corner.


134 posted on 01/23/2012 2:57:59 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: metmom
What would be your opinion of a teacher who graded a paper based on a single typo while totally ignoring the content of the paper?

As an Engineer who's primary activity is writing technical reports, I recognize the importance of structural accuracy and when it is called for. In an informal exchange of information and ideas, I place higher value in the content over inconsequential errors in the form.

Apparently you have overlooked and failed to respond to the information of importance while misinterpreting who you are dealing with all for the purpose of focusing on a typographical error; a practice otherwise known as form over substance. That practice may be acceptable in homeschooling, however it is highly discouraged in the engineering environment.

135 posted on 01/23/2012 3:13:07 PM PST by CMAC51
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To: wintertime
How many times have I offered you a list of students here in your home state to take under your wing and demonstrate the "miracles you can work". Yet every time you refuse, You know your position is untenable because you even refuse to respond to my posts.

How many fabrications and contradictions have I personally caught you in.

And the really great thing is that you are willing to align yourself with anti-Catholic bigots as long as they support your homeschooling agenda.

Really wondering how God is gonna look at that.

136 posted on 01/23/2012 3:15:53 PM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: metmom
Don't start with the personal attacks then.

Here let me help you get the log out of your own eye. How many times have you and your ilk referred to me as a leftist, or useful idiot etc....?

137 posted on 01/23/2012 3:18:49 PM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: verga
This is my second request that you not ping, post, or mail me for the duration of this thread. I will extend the same courtesy to you. ( You have already had you opportunity to have the last word.)

Respectfully,

Wintertime

138 posted on 01/23/2012 3:29:30 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: metmom; wintertime

It’s not as if the students are lucky to be there.


139 posted on 01/23/2012 3:46:42 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Clintonfatigued

It’s not as if the students are lucky to be there.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There are schools in this nation that are soooooo horrific that it would be better for the child never to attend. Really, I mean it.


140 posted on 01/23/2012 4:41:40 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
This is my second request that you not ping, post, or mail me for the duration of this thread. I will extend the same courtesy to you. ( You have already had you opportunity to have the last word.)

When you make outrageous claims I will respond to them, that is the wonderful thing about living in a free country.

If you are afraid to deal with the issues I raise that says much more about you. If you don't want me to respond to your prevarications then don't post.

141 posted on 01/23/2012 5:06:27 PM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: wintertime
There are schools in this nation that are soooooo horrific that it would be better for the child never to attend. Really, I mean it.

Then why did you send your children when it was convenient? Why did your children go to public community colleges? Why did you go to a state school? Why have your grandchildren gone to public institutions?

142 posted on 01/23/2012 5:09:54 PM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: wintertime

There is a great download from Grease Monkey called Killfile.

It blocks posters. I’ve used it on a few posters who are so full of themselves, I see no reason to respond to their bile.

And it give you a sweet little Monkey at the top of your browser window. Cutest thing you’ve ever seen. So if you want to dump a pu!z and have them babbling to themselves on a thread, go here.

http://www.greasespot.net/

Install it then go to your add-ons (you have to be using Firefox) and add http://www.freerepublic.com to your Killfile. If you need help PM me.

There is nothing more fun than to see others responding to the jerks that you’ve blocked!


143 posted on 01/23/2012 5:22:16 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom; wintertime
There is nothing more fun than to see others responding to the jerks that you’ve blocked!

Because nothing screams credibility like the inability or unwillingness to defend your position.

144 posted on 01/23/2012 6:31:35 PM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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To: verga

>>Because nothing screams credibility like the inability or unwillingness to defend your position. <<

This from the person who has a truly warranted problem with Anti-Catholics.

None are so blind than those who will not see, none so deaf as those who will not hear. And I live by the “Do not cast pearls before swine” verse. The Lord is bigger than my internet cred.

If you’re reasonable, I’ll talk to you. If you’re a swine, I block you. Simple as that.


145 posted on 01/23/2012 7:20:34 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom

Thank you.


146 posted on 01/23/2012 7:44:20 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: netmilsmom; wintertime; metmom
If you’re reasonable, I’ll talk to you. If you’re a swine, I block you. Simple as that.

I am and have always been more than reasonable. I have openly supported ALL of your ideas to correct problems in the educational system, with the exception of the wholesale destruction of a system that works for 80% of the population.

This from the person who has a truly warranted problem with Anti-Catholics.

And what is wrong with "having a problem" with anti-Catholics? That is a serious question. We are supposed to be willing to defend our faith. If you are not willing to do that why do you call yourself a member?

L:Do you honestly think God is going to look favorably on Wintertime for not taking Metmom to task on her bigoted comments?

147 posted on 01/24/2012 2:14:17 AM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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I have **never** been to a parent teacher or principal conference that wasn't a complete waste of my life!!! ( I wish I could have that time back.)

And I am certain that you never passed this negative attitude on to your children and you taught them to have respect for their elders and those in position of authority.forget parent of the year, you should be parent of the decade or maybe century

148 posted on 01/24/2012 5:00:29 AM PST by verga (Only the ignorant disdain intelligence.)
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>>I am and have always been more than reasonable.<<

Look, when ya call people Nazis, you’re bordering on bovine.
Maybe you need to look inward. Sometimes when you lose friends, and the team is against you, it’s you. I’ve had two run ins with you, including this one, while we have been involved tons of times on the religion forum. Yet, YOU instantly made me “them”. Either you forget who I am or who YOU are.

>>And what is wrong with “having a problem” with anti-Catholics? <<

Well there is your problem, you don’t READ. Look at what you wrote.

“Because nothing screams credibility like the inability or unwillingness to defend your position.”

Look back at my post and see the words “truly warranted problems with Anti-Catholics”. That means you’re right in your problems with them. You can debate in circles with them and get no where. After one has presented one’s case, one is not debating anymore BECAUSE someone isn’t hearing what one has to say. (see that’s in Religion Forum language) I’ve been in tons of circular arguments with people that do nothing, but fall to insults and the near occasion of sin (hint, hint). That’s why I try not to go there. Pearls before Swine and all that, you know.

>>Do you honestly think God is going to look favorably on Wintertime for not taking Metmom to task on her bigoted comments? <<

None of us know the mind of God. Worry about you, FRiend. As for me, Metmom has a problem with my religion but as a Catholic, I have no problem with hers. I can’t change anyone. Neither can any other FReeper.


149 posted on 01/24/2012 5:46:11 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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