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Obama Administration 'Rigging' US Census By Counting Illegal Aliens (Desperation Alert!)
The Church Report ^ | January 22, 2012 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 01/22/2012 1:00:48 PM PST by NYer

The Barack Obama administration is quietly in the process of rigging use of the US Census of 2010, which deliberately counted millions of illegal aliens, for the purpose of restructuring the apportionment of the US House of Representatives. Accordingly, as candidates for Governor and Lieutenant Governor of one of the negatively affected states (Montana), Mr. Bob Fanning and I have joined with several others in becoming amici curiae in a pending federal lawsuit brought by the State of Louisiana against the US Secretary of Commerce, et al., which was filed January, 13, 2012 in the United States Supreme Court.

What has happened is, the US Census Bureau erroneously claims that it “‘is required by the U.S. Constitution count everyone living in this country, regardless of immigration or citizenship status.’” Accordingly, they have counted millions of illegal aliens in the 2010 Census and are using those figures to apportion the US House of Representatives. If this egregious misinterpretation of the US Constitution is allowed to stand, five states (Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, and Ohio) will lose representation in the US Congress to which they are lawfully entitled, while three states (California, Texas, and Florida) will be awarded additional representation in the US Congress to which they are not lawfully entitled. And, of course, this will also directly impact the makeup of the Electoral College, which ultimately elects the President of the United States.

Of course, this manipulation of the 2010 US Census also impacts the election of the US President, as those states that are granted more seats in the US Congress are also granted more votes in the Electoral College as the Electoral College is composed of a “Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress. . . .” (Article. II. Section. I. Clause. 2. US Constitution). And, as everyone knows, under the US Constitution, it is the Electoral College that ultimately elects the President of the United States. Thus, the states of Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, and Ohio, will be unjustly denied their lawful votes in the Electoral College, while California, Texas, and Florida, are being unjustly granted unlawful votes in the Electoral College. Would it not be extraordinary if the margin by which President Obama is re-elected in the Electoral College would be provided by the manipulation of the census data under his control? Again, this would be an outrage!

In essence, the Obama administration is rigging the US Census to steal a congressional seat from the State of Montana. This rigging will keep Montana from having a second congressional representative. If the illegals in California, Texas, and Florida are not included, then Montana will receive two congressional seats and four electoral votes. Under Obama’s rigging plan, Montana will continue to have only one congressional seat and three electoral votes.

Considering the major media and even most “conservative” talking heads have said virtually nothing about this monstrous misallocation of constitutional government is just the latest example of how truly out of touch the people who are entrusted to inform the American people really are.

The plaintiff in this case is the State of Louisiana, which has now been joined and supported by amici U.S. Border Control, U.S. Border Control Foundation, U.S. Justice Foundation, Institute on the Constitution, Gun Owners of America, Inc., Gun Owners Foundation, English First, English First Foundation, Conservative Legal Defense and Education Fund, The Lincoln Institute for Research and Education, Public Advocate of the United States, Policy Analysis Center, Virginia Del. Bob Marshall, Oklahoma Rep. Charles Key, Maryland Del. Don Dwyer, Washington Rep. Matt Shea, Wyoming Sen. Kit Jennings, as well as Candidate for Governor of Montana, Bob Fanning, and Candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Montana, Chuck Baldwin.

Attorneys filing this brief before the US Supreme Court are Herbert W. Titus, William J. Olson, John S. Miles, Jeremiah L. Morgan (of the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C. of Vienna, Virginia) and Gary G. Kreep (of the U.S. Justice Foundation).

As citizens of the State of Montana, and as candidates for Governor and Lieutenant Governor of the State of Montana, Bob Fanning and I are outraged at this unconstitutional manipulation of the 2010 US Census, and the subsequent unconstitutional and unlawful misapportionment of the US House of Representatives. We are further outraged that our own governor, Brian Schweitzer (the incumbent Democrat governor who is term-limited out of office after the completion of his current term) has done nothing to prevent the people of the State of Montana from being denied the rightful seating of an additional US House member from the Montana delegation to Washington, D.C. He has not served as Montana’s watchman, to make certain that our State is being treated fairly by the Obama administration. Louisiana has been forced to go it alone, as the only State willing to bring this challenge. By not joining the lawsuit against the Obama administration, what Governor Schweitzer in essence is doing is allowing illegal aliens to deny the due representation of the citizens of Montana in Washington, D.C. This is an outrage!

It is a gross misinterpretation of the US Constitution to claim that the US Census is supposed to “count everyone living in this country.” Article. I. Section. I. Clause 3. as amended by Section. 2. of the 14th Amendment authorizes “a targeted decennial census of the ‘respective numbers’ of ‘the People’ of the several States, not a wholesale count of the numbers of persons found ‘living’ in the United States.” The term “the People” is a technical term used in the U.S. Constitution to refer to the polity, that is, the people who constituted the government and who are legal citizens of the nation. Only by such a tailored count can the constitutionally-authorized decennial census serve the purpose for which that census has been required–the apportionment of representation of the people of the several states in the U.S. House of Representatives.

“It is manifestly untrue that the decennial census ordained by the Constitution is to be taken without regard to a person’s ‘immigration or citizenship status.’ The decennial census is conducted for the apportionment of representation in the House of Representatives, the members of which are ‘chosen every second Year by the People of the several States.’ (Article. I. Section. 2. Clause. 1. US Constitution). The first sentence of the 14th Amendment establishes a symbiotic relationship between a person’s United States citizenship and that person’s State citizenship. Thus, whether a person is part of ‘the People’ of a State is largely, if not exclusively, dictated by a person’s ‘immigration or citizenship status.’ Any census that ignores that connection is fatally flawed.”

In the afore-mentioned lawsuit, we are asking the US Supreme Court to preserve the integrity of the US House of Representatives and Electoral College.

I can tell you that the people who want to disassemble constitutional government in this country are hoping that no one notices what the Obama administration is doing to manipulate the 2010 US Census to unlawfully reconstruct the US House of Representatives and Electoral College. Well, I can tell you, Bob Fanning and I (along with the other amici curiae supporting Louisiana in this lawsuit) are not going to let that happen!

I will be holding a press conference to blow the whistle on what is taking place to deny the people of the State of Montana (along with the people of the states of Louisiana, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio) their lawful representation in Washington, D.C. I am also using the influence and outreach of this column to alert the American people as to how the Obama administration is attempting to manipulate the US House of Representatives and Electoral College.

It is more than interesting also that the “anointed” establishment neocon Republican Montana gubernatorial candidate, Rick Hill, has, himself, not even bothered to alert the people of Montana to this travesty. Why not? Rick is a career politician who once served in the US House of Representatives from Montana. One would think he would want to protect the people of the State of Montana from this outrage. But he has said nothing! Plus, have you heard anything about this from any of the “conservative” talking heads on FOX News? No you haven’t! Why not? Why is it left to this column to alert you to this gross violation of constitutional government?

Therefore, I unashamedly appeal to readers to help Bob and I carry this fight to preserve the integrity of the US House of Representative and the Electoral College to the US Supreme Court. Please go to our web site at:

I also highly encourage readers to visit the web site of the law firm filing this brief. William J. Olson, Herbert Titus, et al., have been at the front lines in helping to defend constitutional government for longer than many of us have been alive. Bill Olson and Herb Titus have defended a sizeable number of patriot organizations and individuals against federal usurpation for decades. I don’t know of another law firm with the credentials and track record of fighting for constitutional government, Second Amendment rights, and individual liberty anywhere in the country than the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C.

To learn more about this lawsuit and the Olson law firm, go to:

Link

In the meantime, each of us should be using our individual and collective sphere of influence to trumpet this attempted travesty as loudly as possible! I especially encourage readers in the states of Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, and Ohio to demand of every elected public office holder in their respective states to use every means possible to defend the lawful rights of their states to proper representation in the US House of Representatives and the Electoral College. The people of America simply must not allow this flagrant manipulation of the 2010 US Census to take place! If the Obama administration gets by with this now, think how the states’ representation in Congress will be abused in the future.


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1 posted on 01/22/2012 1:00:59 PM PST by NYer
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To: wagglebee; Nachum

Please rally your troops!


2 posted on 01/22/2012 1:02:11 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

The 2010 “census” will go down in history as one of the biggest hoaxes and scams ever perpetrated on the American people by the U.S. Government.


3 posted on 01/22/2012 1:03:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Independent" and "moderate" voters are overrated.)
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To: NYer

instdems


4 posted on 01/22/2012 1:06:48 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: NYer

Montana should demand that international tourists be counted as residents.


5 posted on 01/22/2012 1:09:00 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: NYer; Jim Robinson; onyx; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AFA-Michigan; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Abathar; ...
Special Ping!

Every failing dictator in the history of the world has tried a "last gasp" act of desperation to try to retain power.

6 posted on 01/22/2012 1:13:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

Why is every word and motion of his hand AGAINST America????


7 posted on 01/22/2012 1:13:44 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: LtKerst
Why is every word and motion of his hand AGAINST America????


8 posted on 01/22/2012 1:17:33 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: NYer
Nothing much new from the communists King Obama Administration. All Democrats are communists and corrupt.
9 posted on 01/22/2012 1:19:50 PM PST by Logical me
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To: NYer

Nothing surprises me anymore. I’m trying not to become numb from all the craziness that keeps mounting from the left. It’s a non stop attack on America.


10 posted on 01/22/2012 1:21:42 PM PST by FishinTX
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To: NYer
Democrats desperately need these illegal aliens in their party, as their voting constituency has declined substantially in the last thirty nine years, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

How many million future Democrats do you think have been flushed down the commode since Roe V. Wade was decided in 1973?

11 posted on 01/22/2012 1:29:32 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: NYer
I've been saying it all along that the 30 million illegals in America translates into some 50 house seats and they'll be primarily democrat.

I tried but I think its too late for America.

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12 posted on 01/22/2012 1:30:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The 2010 “census” will go down in history as one of the biggest hoaxes and scams ever perpetrated on the American people by the U.S. Government.

I filled in the "how many in household" box and nothing more.

Some time later two people showed up and asked me if they could ask more questions, I explained I did my Constitutional duties and would provide nothing more. They understood and walked away.

No muss, no fuss.

13 posted on 01/22/2012 1:32:35 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: FishinTX

From the left hell, the FReeper favorite for president is the most open border candidate left in the race.


14 posted on 01/22/2012 1:32:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
‘swhy we escorted the census taker off our property and filed a trespassing complaint with the sheriff.
15 posted on 01/22/2012 1:34:02 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: LtKerst; Cheerio
Why is every word and motion of his hand AGAINST America????

Because he hates America and all that it represents. Who do you think is behind the "Occupy" movement? and ... why? What better way to turn citizens against each other than through envy. Yet he has no compunctions about enjoying his privileged position.

Let's take a look at the trips Obama has made. In 2009, he made 25 trips outside the US; in 2010, 9 and in 2011, 10. What about the Obama family vacations? The family's December 2011 vacation to Hawaii cost US taxpayers a whopping $4 million!!! Running up the cost is the fact that, as he often does, he sent his wife an children ahead of him on a separate aircraft. Obama’s round-trip flight to Hawaii on Air Force One is estimated to be the largest expense associated with the vacation. According to the Air Force, it apparently costs $181,757 per flight hour to run the nation’s most secure (and probably its most lavish) aircraft. Since his inauguration in January 2009, Obama has played more than 90 rounds of golf! I don't play golf but I understand it is an expensive sport.

He cannot run his election campaign on his record as president. The only solution is to use his mainstream media supporters to take down the opposing candidates, one at a time. Failing that, the ploy becomes one of planting doubt in the voter's mind about the qualities of such candidates. Yet, what do we actually know about Obama. Where are his tax records? Where is his original birth certificate? Where are his education credentials?

16 posted on 01/22/2012 1:40:53 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: cripplecreek
From the left hell, the FReeper favorite for president is the most open border candidate left in the race.

While I'm not too keen on some of Newt's immigration proposals, what other choice do we have?

A viable one that is?

17 posted on 01/22/2012 1:43:25 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: cripplecreek
Some how the other part of my post did't post.

Where has Gingrich said he is for open borders?

18 posted on 01/22/2012 1:46:00 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you, dear wagglebee! I will save to read later, but Chuck Baldin is often suspect. I hope his information is correct.


19 posted on 01/22/2012 1:46:32 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

He hasn’t. Do you really think Jim would be supporting him were he not satisified with Gingrich’s immigration policies?


20 posted on 01/22/2012 1:50:19 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: cripplecreek

Still marching to Glenn Beck’s tune. Pity.


21 posted on 01/22/2012 1:51:47 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

When you sell your soul the cost is high.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2833684/posts


22 posted on 01/22/2012 1:52:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Who could ever forget Clinton's proposal to use Statistical Analysis instead of actually counting.

The Borders were open for a reason, and is was never about cheap labor, but about assured voting block, to guarantee a Socialist state.

Maybe we should remember the Republicans that outright helped i this destruction, but we won't. (R) is the word.

23 posted on 01/22/2012 1:52:00 PM PST by itsahoot (You are no longer a person, you are now a Unit when you need health care.)
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To: FishinTX

Communist Goals (1963) http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


24 posted on 01/22/2012 1:56:30 PM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: onyx; cripplecreek
He hasn’t. Do you really think Jim would be supporting him were he not satisified with Gingrich’s immigration policies?

No I don't, but the way things move so fast ya never know what you might have missed.

Was just sent this link by Cripplecreek, and haven't had a chance to read trough yet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2833684/posts

25 posted on 01/22/2012 1:57:48 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll have to read through that when time permits...something just came up and I’ve got to go..

Thanks for sending me the link!


26 posted on 01/22/2012 2:02:16 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Endorsement and support by a Miami group that will work for his win in Florida. The hysterical crowd wants to make it an them against us thang.


27 posted on 01/22/2012 2:08:46 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: NYer
I disagree with this article's interpretation of the constititution, and it seems a clear reading of the text shows that the article is in error.

In the citation the article gives, we find:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons
Note that they give an exception to "free Persons" -- "excluding Indians not taxed". Indians not taxed were not "citizens". But they felt they had to exclude them, which means that without the exclusion, the term "free Persons" would have included Indians.

Then they say "3/5th of all other Persons". This is slaves -- which means slaves were considered "Persons". Slaves were clearly not citizens, and most were not born here, so they were immigrants.

Persons therefore cannot have a "special meaning" in the constitution of "citizens".

The 14th amendment doesn't change that:

counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed
All they did was remove the "3/5ths" part. They didn't change what "persons" meant, or suggest that persons had to be citizens.

In fact, the entire 3/5ths compromise proves the article wrong. Why did we need a "compromise"? Why not just ignore slaves? The south wanted them counted for apportionment, so they got them "partly counted".

28 posted on 01/22/2012 2:17:30 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: onyx

Right, because we wouldn’t possibly support a non-perfect candidate in order to stop Romney.

You can rationally argue Gingrich as the best way to stop Romney. Don’t try to sell Gingrich as the best conservative candidate.

BTW, I don’t think Gingrich is for open borders, but that’s because “open borders” is a misnomer many people use when they mean “soft on illegals in the country”.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 2:23:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You can rationally argue Gingrich as the best way to stop Romney. Don’t try to sell Gingrich as the best conservative candidate.

Gingrich is the best conservative candidate by far and he has the record and experience to prove it!

You really don't want to argue against Gingrich.

30 posted on 01/22/2012 2:31:35 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You can rationally argue Gingrich as the best way to stop Romney. Don’t try to sell Gingrich as the best conservative candidate.

Gingrich is the best conservative candidate by far and he has the record and experience to prove it!

You really don't want to argue against Gingrich.

31 posted on 01/22/2012 2:32:00 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

And the Census continues, they send out a detailed questionnaire, a quarter of a million of them every month. I have been threatened with large fines and prison time by several callers. I asked to be sent those parts of the law that authorized what they are doing. The forth time I asked they finally sent that which authorizes the census every ten years. They apparently think I’m stupid. I no longer take their calls. The census bureau has called eight times in the last two days. If they show up on my property I will call the sheriff to report trespassers and greet them with shotgun in hand, if they don’t leave posthaste I will use said gun.


32 posted on 01/22/2012 2:41:01 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I did the same thing and they kept stopping by and calling. One time a census worker was walking around our back yard looking in my detached office and sheds, so I pointed a 12-guage at her. While I don't think she will return, she probably had to change her pants right away. The look on her face when I pointed that double-barrel at her... priceless.

Actually we had multiple census workers in our backyard over the past 11 years. They continued to call and said I was paranoid for not providing all the requested information. Eventually I disconnected the phone they kept calling. Haven't seen any census workers in a couple of years.

33 posted on 01/22/2012 2:45:17 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The 2010 “census” will go down in history as one of the biggest hoaxes and scams ever perpetrated on the American people by the U.S. Government.————

No, the second biggest, the first was the Obama, Pelosi and Reid Trillion dollar bailouts, and the ‘we have to pass it so you can see what’s in it’ death panels bill.


34 posted on 01/22/2012 2:53:41 PM PST by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Twenty seven pages of questions from how many rooms/bedrooms, baths, sinks, vehicles. Where you work, when do you start to work, how long to get to work, what kind of work, how is your pay. total pay, how many sources, how much to the penny from each. They want to know if you are latino and then split that more than a dozen ways. They want to know if you are blind, dumb or stupid. If disabled how disabled, how long disabled ETC.

And finally they insist that they do not share any information with other government agencies. RRRRRIIIGHT!


35 posted on 01/22/2012 2:55:40 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: NYer
Clinton did it too.
36 posted on 01/22/2012 2:59:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing popular indenture since 1832.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Clinton did it too.

Of course! And ... he did it while in office! Yet, the msm gave him a pass while they dig deep to interrogate ANY Republican candidate. It's a double standard and we Americans are sick and tired of it.

37 posted on 01/22/2012 3:21:41 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Whats to count? There’s 20 million of ‘em. Isn’t that what we’re always being told? “Living in the shadows, denied access to health care and education by racist Americans’’. Isn’t that how the tune goes?


38 posted on 01/22/2012 3:26:52 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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39 posted on 01/22/2012 3:31:21 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: onyx
Endorsement and support by a Miami group that will work for his win in Florida. The hysterical crowd wants to make it an them against us thang.

Me thinks these people endorse for the opposite effect sometimes, they attempt and succeed at making the truth elusive too often.

Hard to weigh though, have to keep a solid sense of mind in these times.

40 posted on 01/22/2012 3:34:55 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: onyx

Assuming you aren’t playing on the word “candidate”, and are really trying to say that Gingrich is the best conservative who ran for President, you can’t possibly believe that because you supported TWO OTHER CANDIDATES before you came around to Gingrich.

And if we had done a poll in May here at FR, Gingrich wouldn’t have gotten 10% of the vote for “conservative”.


41 posted on 01/22/2012 3:39:10 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NYer

The Census bureau has been using the same methodology including 12 to 20 million illegal aliens and about 10 million Legal Permanent Residents (green card holders.) It has distorted our electoral system as well shifting federal dollars, which are distributed on that basis.


42 posted on 01/22/2012 3:45:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: cripplecreek
CC, I've got to suppport Gingrich on this one. Don't get me wrong, I have many a reservation but the alternative are worse. It's going to be up to us to elect a TP Senate and strnghten the Congress with more TP Conservatives so we can hold his feet to the fire...lest he is temped to stray....

It is what it is, Paul is an idiot, Santorum, as much as he has to offer just isn't it this time....Romney.....no thanks.

So all we have is Newt.

If Newt does 50% of what he says he's going to do, that will be a hugh start, series!

Obama again on the other hand will end this Country as you and I know it.

Yeah, I know, It's not perfect and what we TP's dream of but heck, we have to start some where.

43 posted on 01/22/2012 3:48:10 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; onyx
You can rationally argue Gingrich as the best way to stop Romney. Don’t try to sell Gingrich as the best conservative candidate.

So who is, Paul?

Your post:

You can rationally argue Gingrich as the best way to stop Romney.

Fruedian slip?


44 posted on 01/22/2012 4:02:41 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: FrankR

lol


45 posted on 01/22/2012 5:00:51 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NYer

Might as well add dead people to the census. That’s another demographic that votes 100% for the Democrats.


46 posted on 01/22/2012 5:07:19 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: NYer

Remember that for the first time that The white house took control of the whole Census. The Republicans squabbled for about 5 minutes, and then did nothing about it. As usual.


47 posted on 01/22/2012 6:00:31 PM PST by Revel
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To: NYer

WHAT THE HELL?

Why isn’t everyone with w voice screaming at the top of their lungs about this?

RLTW


48 posted on 01/22/2012 6:03:22 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’m not sure what you meant, but I said what I meant. Clearly, many people are supporting Gingrich because they believe he is the best way to stop Romney, and that is what is important, more important than supporting the most conservative candidate.

But there’s no way he was the most conservative candidate in the race, much less the most conservative person we wanted in the race. He wasn’t even on the RADAR for most conservatives when this race started.

Of the possible and actual candidates, I’d say Gingrich ranks above Paul, Romney, and Huntsman. Maybe also above Roemer. He certainly, in THIS century, has not spoken or acted more conservatively than Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, or Rick Santorum. I’d argue that in this century, he wasn’t more conservative than candidate Tim Pawlenty, or candidate possible Paul Ryan.

Having explained that, I’m not sure how we got into a discussion of Gingrich in an article about the Census.


49 posted on 01/22/2012 6:19:45 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NYer; wagglebee; Nachum; reaganaut; Scoutmaster
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. - Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3, U.S. Constitution

Illegals should count for no more than 3/5 of a person, if they are counted at all.

50 posted on 01/22/2012 6:23:07 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Gingrich/Santorum 2012!)
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