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League defends decision not to review Evans non-catch (Ravens Robbed)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/ ^

Posted on 01/22/2012 6:13:37 PM PST by 11th_VA

Posted by Mike Florio on January 22, 2012, 7:47 PM EST

Reuters Shortly before Ravens kicker Billy Cundiff did his best Gary Anderson impersonation (to the chagrin of Matt Birk), Ravens receiver Lee Evans had the ball in his hands, in the end zone. But Patriots defensive back Sterling Moore knocked the ball out of Evans’ hands, and the ruling on the field was that the would-be touchdown pass was incomplete.

Though it wasn’t a scoring play, fewer than two minutes remained in the game. Thus, the decision (or not) to review the play was to be initiated by the replay assistant in the booth. Even though the slow-motion angle shown by CBS seemed to suggest that it may have been a catch, the replay assistant didn’t instruct referee Alberto Riveron to take a look via the on-field portable TV on wheels.

As to whether a catch was made, the standard is simple. From Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 3: “If a player controls the ball while in the end zone, both feet, or any part of his body other than his hands, must be completely on the ground before losing control, or the pass is incomplete.”

There’s no Calvin Johnson component. No requirement of a football move. Possession plus two feet down equals a catch, and a touchdown.

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I'm not a big Ravens fan, but holy crap - this play was a TD. Shame on the refs ...
1 posted on 01/22/2012 6:13:44 PM PST by 11th_VA
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2 posted on 01/22/2012 6:15:28 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 11th_VA
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3 posted on 01/22/2012 6:17:59 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: 11th_VA
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4 posted on 01/22/2012 6:18:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 11th_VA
I'm not a big Ravens fan, but holy crap - this play was a TD.

That's why the teams play so hard for home field advantage.

5 posted on 01/22/2012 6:19:53 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 11th_VA

Losers Rule Number One; When you lose, blame the refs.


6 posted on 01/22/2012 6:22:58 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: 11th_VA

If they start fining ref’s for bad calls .....


7 posted on 01/22/2012 6:23:34 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: 11th_VA
Until recently it would have been a TD, no brainer. But they have this odd rule now that for a completion you have to "complete the football play" or some such gobbledygook. And despite that other rule, yes it holds for scoring plays as well.

Too bad, I hate to see the drooling psychopathic Belly-Upchuck get a win he didn't earn.

8 posted on 01/22/2012 6:24:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 11th_VA

All one can do is shake their head. He had the ball in his hand for two or three steps.


9 posted on 01/22/2012 6:25:06 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: 11th_VA

Could the Ravens coach have initiate a challenge?


10 posted on 01/22/2012 6:25:39 PM PST by rawhide
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To: cripplecreek
What's that about? What is the white rectangle in the picture?
11 posted on 01/22/2012 6:26:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 11th_VA
He didn't have possession with both feet down. At the very least, there isn't anything there that would justify overturning the call.

Borderline calls can go either way. That's why I don't complain about them. If you put yourself in a position to lose by a borderline call, blame yourself.

12 posted on 01/22/2012 6:26:19 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: 11th_VA

We wuz robbed!


13 posted on 01/22/2012 6:26:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: shelterguy

Who are you gonna believe - your eyes or the lying refs?


14 posted on 01/22/2012 6:26:44 PM PST by sauropod (You can elect tyranny - Marc Levin)
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To: hinckley buzzard

They were feeling each other’s fingers.

Too sexy for tv.


15 posted on 01/22/2012 6:27:59 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: 11th_VA

who cares about the NFL or NBA anymore....nothing but a bunch of worthless thugs....while Rome burns.

jock sniffs need to get a life.


16 posted on 01/22/2012 6:28:13 PM PST by Hammerhead
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To: 11th_VA

Looked to me the receiver did not have control of the ball. Correct ruling.


17 posted on 01/22/2012 6:28:46 PM PST by rawhide
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To: 11th_VA

If that was a Brady to Wexler pass.....

TOUChDOWN!!!!!!!!!


18 posted on 01/22/2012 6:29:14 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: 11th_VA

I have no dog in this fight - IMHO no catch. Watching it at full speed, he did not have it. I don’t think the play by play guys even gave the call a second thought, or questioned it in any way.


19 posted on 01/22/2012 6:29:23 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: rawhide

Not in the last two minutes of a half or game. The NFL booth guy has to buzz the ref on the field that a review is called for.


20 posted on 01/22/2012 6:30:19 PM PST by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: 11th_VA

They oughta take the case to court. Let the courts decide.


21 posted on 01/22/2012 6:30:26 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: 11th_VA

Wow. What a crazy ending. Great game. Baltimore almost beat the heavily favored Patriots (and maybe actually did beat them but for a bad ref call).


22 posted on 01/22/2012 6:30:35 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: hinckley buzzard
Until recently it would have been a TD, no brainer. But they have this odd rule now that for a completion you have to "complete the football play" or some such gobbledygook. And despite that other rule, yes it holds for scoring plays as well.

You are right. The NFL rules are almost retarded. They let you score on a run if you hypothetically break some molecule of a "plane" with the nose of the football for a milli second. Meanwhile, on a thrown ball, you have to damned near take three steps. Very inconsistent and stupid set of rules that only make things more difficult and controversial than they should be. Shame on the NFL for this self inflicted difficulty.

23 posted on 01/22/2012 6:30:36 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: sauropod

I played it back in slo-mo on my DVR. He did not hold the ball for two steps. the ball was loose just before the second foot landed.

It was a good call.......and I wanted the Ravens to win.


24 posted on 01/22/2012 6:31:24 PM PST by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)
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To: rawhide
Could the Ravens coach have initiate a challenge?

No - less than 1 minute left in game

25 posted on 01/22/2012 6:33:10 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my light bulbs !)
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To: 11th_VA
After watching it about a dozen times..... The receiver did not have his second foot down before the ball was knocked out
26 posted on 01/22/2012 6:33:45 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: sauropod

Reminds me of the Redskins from the ‘70s when Mel Grey(?) bobbled the ball in the end zone. I don’t remember if it was a catch or not but it was a blown call.


27 posted on 01/22/2012 6:34:37 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: 11th_VA
The comments from the league (at the link) are correct:
The league disagrees. “The ruling on the field of an incomplete pass was confirmed by the Instant Replay assistant, correctly, and as a result, there was no need to stop the game,” the league said in a statement forwarded to PFT by spokesman Michael Signora. “The receiver did not get his second foot down in the end zone with possession, and as a result, it was an incomplete pass.”

Former V.P. of officiating and current FOX rules analyst Mike Pereira expressed a similar sentiment via text message to PFT. “Clearly not a catch,” Pereira said. “Ball coming out before second foot clearly down. . . . No need to review it because it was clearly incomplete.”

At most, they could have asked for a review, but there was nothing there to justify overturning the on-field call.

Just filling some sports page space.

28 posted on 01/22/2012 6:34:55 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: 11th_VA

I think there is some poetic justice here. I was rather exasperated watching the Ravens beat the Texans last week with zero penalties called against them.

I think the NFL is becoming more and more like pro wrestling where viewing audiences must suspend certain rational beliefs about how penalties and non-calls influence the outcomes so decisively.

I have for 5 years been an increasingly bitter Cowboys fan. I long noticed the increasing of penalties called against the Cowboys since their dynasty years in the 1990s. I reviewed some data this year looking not just at how often they were called but how often their opponents are called.

For some strange reason, teams commit far fewer penalties when they place Dallas.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-penalties-per-game?date=2011-02-07

It would not be hard to create differentials between team/opponent penalty calls. Figure out who has the highest differentials. The refs are definitely shaping the outcomes of these games in my opinion.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 6:35:14 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: 11th_VA

>>I’m not a big Ravens fan, but holy crap - this play was a TD. <<

I am not going to say “not even close” but it was clear that the ball was stripped before both feet were set AND control was established.

The replay will be replayed only about a bazillion times (remember the “music city miracle?)”


30 posted on 01/22/2012 6:35:52 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: 11th_VA

It should’ve been reviewed but not overturned. The slo mo seems to show him losing control before second foot comes down. Evans seemed to agree with the call. Good call ref.


31 posted on 01/22/2012 6:36:46 PM PST by bramps (Once a muslim always a muslim.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

The first picture show the Indian out at first base against the Tigers but the ump called him safe ruining the pitcher’s perfect game. The next day, that ump was behind the plate so the Tigers sent out that same pither with the lineup card before the game. The umpire was extending his hand in a show of apology. He was torn up by his missing the call and the young pitcher was gracious in accepting his apology.


32 posted on 01/22/2012 6:39:09 PM PST by Typelouder
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To: 11th_VA

Um no. Absolutely not a TD. Receiver has to retain possession while making a football move. He did not. Sorry. Go cry in your beer.


33 posted on 01/22/2012 6:40:55 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You couldn’t keep either your team or your coach in Ohio. What’s wrong out there anyway?


34 posted on 01/22/2012 6:40:55 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm not cut out to suffer fools like this.)
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To: shelterguy
Losers Rule Number One; When you lose, blame the refs.

Seems like from time of the 2002 "Snow Job" that the zeebs are deciding more and more games.

35 posted on 01/22/2012 6:42:45 PM PST by Mike Darancette (11/06/2012: Starts "Occupy the White House")
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To: Hammerhead

Panem et circenses.


36 posted on 01/22/2012 6:43:10 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: 11th_VA

If the rule really is 2 feet on the ground with control of the ball, it was clearly a touchdown.

I always thought you had to prove that you could make a “football move”, so if the ball fell out when you hit the ground they’d call it incomplete. I also thought though that once you had the ball in the end zone, once you had it in control it couldn’t be “knocked out”, since you already scored the touchdown at that point.

I was surprised they didn’t review the play at least. Even if they upheld the call, you’d feel they at least had taken a look.


37 posted on 01/22/2012 6:43:29 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: big'ol_freeper

Correct. No TD.


38 posted on 01/22/2012 6:44:18 PM PST by NotSoFreeStater (If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice)
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To: Mike Darancette

Ravens team is full of thugs and that murderer Lewis. Can’t see how anyone could want them to win anything.


39 posted on 01/22/2012 6:45:00 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Popman

Who is this Wexler?


40 posted on 01/22/2012 6:45:07 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm not cut out to suffer fools like this.)
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To: Typelouder

Armondo Gallaraga.

Jim Joyce was the Ump.


41 posted on 01/22/2012 6:46:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Loud Mime

The real missed call was the interference on the next play. The replay clearly showed the that Patriots defender was pushing the raven’s guy at the goal line, which was more than 10 yards downfield, which should have been illegal contact and an automatic 1st down.

They had called illegal contact a couple of series before that, against the Ravens, so it wasn’t like they were “letting them play”.


42 posted on 01/22/2012 6:48:28 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mmogamer

Roger that. Today he is referred to a “future Hall of Famer Ray Lewis”. Never hear anything mentioned about this:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1018274/index.htm


43 posted on 01/22/2012 6:49:55 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm not cut out to suffer fools like this.)
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To: lonestar67

Staubach/Pearson Hail Mary. Vikings robbed.

Cry me a river.


44 posted on 01/22/2012 6:57:45 PM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: 11th_VA

Can’t stand New England, but the call was obviously correct. By the time his second foot came down he was no longer in possession. Plain as day.


45 posted on 01/22/2012 6:57:55 PM PST by wideawake
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To: sauropod
He had the ball in his hand for two or three steps.

No. Caught the ball, first foot hits. Defender hits ball and it was coming out of the receiver's hands just before the second foot hit. He did not have control when the second foot hit.

At first look I agreed with you but upon further review, the pass is incomplete. I think the receiver knew it.

46 posted on 01/22/2012 6:59:35 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: 11th_VA

Meh, receiver did not have control of the ball. Looked like a pretty clear incomplete pass to me. No review would have changed the ruling on the field.


47 posted on 01/22/2012 7:06:49 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: 11th_VA

I thought the pass was clearly incomplete.


48 posted on 01/22/2012 7:11:14 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: 11th_VA

Saw it. It was a TD....period. End of discussion.


49 posted on 01/22/2012 7:12:57 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: shelterguy

It’s not whining. I saw the game, saw the play....including in slo-mo....it WAS a touchdown. The receiver clearly touched the ground in the end zone with BOTH feet before having the ball knocked from his hands by a Patriot defender.

I know football. That, friend, was a touchdown.


50 posted on 01/22/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by RightOnline
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