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BREAKING on Fast and Furious: Arizona Moves to Prosecute Those the Feds Won’t
biggovernment.com ^ | 22 January, 2012 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 01/23/2012 6:44:45 AM PST by marktwain

Nationally, Fast and Furious has entered the vernacular. As a result, Americans of all walks of life now know that the ATF and DOJ oversaw the sale of approximately 2,500 guns to straw purchasers who, in turn, passed them to criminals in Mexico and elsewhere. Moreover, Americans know that the plan from the get-go was to have these guns carried across an international border and passed to criminals whom the ATF then planned to arrest (but they never got around to arresting them because they hadn’t bothered tracing the guns from the point of sale).

Therefore, Americans also know that of the 2,500 guns originally sold, approximately 1,300 are still on the streets and unaccounted for. At least two of these guns were found at Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder scene in December 2010, and Americans increasingly know that while Terry may have been the first American victim, odds are he won’t be the last with such a large number of weapons on the loose.

Lastly, Americans know that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have both denied complicity in Fast and Furious, particularly in the gun-running aspects of it. Throughout the course of denying complicity, Holder has changed his story more than once, Obama has demonstrated confusion over when he first learned about Fast and Furious, and former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke (Arizona) was allowed to retire without charges although he was demonstrably involved in covering up the connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s death.

Perhaps through all this, the one thing the American people have witnessed to a sickening degree is the stark failure to prosecute those involved in Fast and Furious to the full extent of the law. Holder has been handled with kid gloves, Burke is now living a private life, and Obama is not being asked to clear up the many discrepancies in his timeline.

Enter Arizona.

Where the same state that brought you S.B. 1070—the immigration law aimed at allowing the state to do the job the feds won’t do—is set to open their own investigation into Fast and Furious and bring state charges against those the feds have heretofore refused to charge. Andy Tobin, Arizona’s Speaker of the House, will announce tomorrow (Monday, January 23rd) the scope of the investigation, and will call for state investigators to have their findings back to him no later than March 30.

The bottom line: Arizona is about to the do the job the feds won’t do – again.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: atf; az; banglist; corruption; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; fraud; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama
I hope that Arizona does a complete investigation. I predict that a great many people will plead the 5th Amendment.
1 posted on 01/23/2012 6:44:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Sovereign states—Doing the work that the Federal government won’t.


2 posted on 01/23/2012 6:46:36 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: marktwain

I guess from here on out, anyone appearing before ISSA will take the fifth. I wonder who Arizona will indict first.


3 posted on 01/23/2012 6:55:00 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Arm_Bears
-- Sovereign states--Doing the work that the Federal government won't. --

And showing that a complete collapse of the federal government would not be a disaster. The states are there to pick up the pieces; and would probably do a better job of strengthening the country without the parasites in DC.

4 posted on 01/23/2012 6:57:15 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: marktwain

“I predict that a great many people will plead the 5th Amendment.”

And I predict that it will end there. No prosecution of hussein or holder because they are above the law. And they will protect those below them.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 7:01:28 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: marktwain
As I said in October: Link to post:

It seems like everyone is being led around by their noses on this F & F thing and doing too little in getting those involved to flip and turn states evidence in order to avoid prosecution.

There are numerous state laws that cover the type of criminal activities that have taken place in the Department of Justice (DoJ). So much so and to the extent that it would allow states Attorney Generals (AG), County District Attorneys (DA), and city prosecutors to proceed with their own investigations (piggybacking off of Issa/Grassley investigations) and prosecute a number of these people as being accessories to the murder of federal agents and the gun running that occurred within their state and county jurisdiction. There is no type of claim of immunity to prosecution when it develops that the causal effect of a persons malfeasance in office leads to the death of innocent people.

You want to get results and see them spilling their guts, then start filing criminal complaints and watch the plea bargain deals exposing the people responsible. I forget which politician it was that almost exploded and had a nervous breakdown when the suggestion was made to prosecute criminally the actors in F & F! And….. No independent prosecutor until after this upcoming election in order to avoid the appointment of one of Obama's or Holder's cronies. AGs, DAs, and prosecutors ………….. have some balls and just do it! Just do it!

197 posted on October 16, 2011 10:06:31 AM MDT by Old Badger (I still like Palin because she will tell like it is!)

6 posted on 01/23/2012 7:11:37 AM PST by Old Badger (Don't bother me! I still like Palin because she will tell like it is! (Newt too!))
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To: marktwain

“Nationally, Fast and Furious has entered the vernacular.” - Not to those who solely watch NBC News. To those viewers, it still only brings thoughts of a Vin Diesel movie.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 7:23:30 AM PST by Corporate Law
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To: freeangel
No prosecution of hussein or holder because they are above the law
And the brand of RACISTS still hovers and incapacitates those in it's sphere.
8 posted on 01/23/2012 7:24:04 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...

Tables turning ping.


9 posted on 01/23/2012 7:28:49 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Old Badger
I think there are grounds to indict Holder in Arizona. I would love to hear Holder try to tell a jury in Arizona that lying is a state of mind.

'Lying,' Holder Says, 'Has to Do With Your State of Mind'

10 posted on 01/23/2012 7:29:23 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Cboldt

You got that 100% correct.


11 posted on 01/23/2012 7:30:05 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: marktwain

And the DOJ sues.

Sorry - thank you for playing.


12 posted on 01/23/2012 8:11:11 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: marktwain

I don’t know if they can.

Sovereign immunity.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 8:24:51 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marktwain

Re ‘Americans from all walks of life know’ -

Major fallacy. Americans who get their news from the lib media know NOTHING about Fast & Furious.

I have friends and relatives who have never heard of it. And if it makes Obama look bad, they don’t want to.

Don’t assume everyone knows what we know. They don’t and they want to stay that way. Find me a midwestern state newspaper that mentions it anywhere on the first page - I bet you won’t be able to. I am pretty sure the Dayton Daily has never mentioned it, if it has, it is buried somewhere.

I occasionally send lib friends articles about things that I know they will never know about otherwise. Mostly it just ticks them off (at me). They get their news from Politico and think Media Matters is the final authority.

You know how we conservatives just make things up.


14 posted on 01/23/2012 8:33:18 AM PST by SusaninOhio (So)
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To: marktwain


15 posted on 01/23/2012 8:55:06 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Old Badger

I’ve said the same here before.... indict each federal employee responsible by NAME personally on STATE statutes for reckless criminal endangerment and collusion to hide state crimes. Tag their asses personally and make it stick. The key is to do this under existing STATE statutes for state crimes.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 8:59:06 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks for the ping/.


17 posted on 01/23/2012 9:37:49 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: marktwain
Good for Arizona! Bravo! This may be the way to go. Sunlight is an excellent disinfectant!

Personally I would like to Arizona shine a powerful enough strobe light up Obummer's a$$ it makes his head flash like a freaking neon sign. And Holder needs to be holding intense lets-get-acquanted sessions with a 300 lb guy named Bubba deep within the confines of Leavenworth Prison.

18 posted on 01/23/2012 10:33:52 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: SusaninOhio; marktwain
Major fallacy. Americans who get their news from the lib media know NOTHING about Fast & Furious.

A thread here on FR reported that NBC Nightly News had not carried one story about Fast & Furious during the entire year of 2011.

I emailed the local NBC affiliate asking them how many times stories about F & F had been aired on their station.

Their reply:

One time on a Thursday afternoon in November, they gave the date and time.

It was on their early edition of the evening news, due to the time slot that newscast does not have high ratings.

You nailed it. Americans who get their news from the lib media know NOTHING about Fast & Furious.

19 posted on 01/23/2012 11:17:50 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: TYVets

NBC ran the total number of US Soldiers killed in the wars NIGHTLY on the Evening News, for two years, until election night 2008.

That STOPPED on election night, and they have only mentioned it THREE TIMES in the last three years!!


20 posted on 01/23/2012 11:32:49 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: marktwain
...Americans know that the plan from the get-go was to have these guns carried across an international border and passed to criminals whom the ATF then planned to arrest (but they never got around to arresting them because they hadn’t bothered tracing the guns from the point of sale).

That is completely false. They had no plan to ever arrest anyone. Field agents who wanted to interdict some of these guns before they got over the border were adamantly told to stand down. Here is the testimony of four ATF agents to that fact.

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

These agents all testify that they were ordered to let them go.

21 posted on 01/23/2012 11:56:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: tcrlaf
NBC ran the total number of US Soldiers killed in the wars NIGHTLY on the Evening News, for two years, until election night 2008.

That STOPPED on election night, and they have only mentioned it THREE TIMES in the last three years!!

They copied what the Walter Cronkite and the Dan Rather types did on CBS News during the late 1960's and early 1970's.

Nixon had Vietnam all but won. The MSM and a Democrat Congress turned it into a defeat.

Yet Nixon is the one that has been vilified by the MSM.

22 posted on 01/23/2012 12:20:44 PM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Enterprise

bump


23 posted on 01/23/2012 12:47:51 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

24 posted on 01/23/2012 12:55:06 PM PST by GraceG
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To: marktwain

the obama admin lets guns go to the drug cartels, which in turn kill hundreds of people and kills border agents, which in turn the obama admin gets caught but now the DOJ, the top law enforcement which was behind this now pleads the 5th and the MSM say they’;re not bias and shocked that people on the right are fed up of them

WHAT A CROCK ALL OF THIS IS.


25 posted on 01/23/2012 1:13:33 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: SusaninOhio

you got that right.

Most people I come across have no clue about this and reply”well I’ve not heard about this on the news are you sure?”

The MSM have a lot to answer for and for the DOJ the top or supposed top law enforcement to to do this and then take the 5th shows how corrupted this admin is but of course the MSM will ignore this as they always do when it makes the left look bad and the public never gets to know about it and the left keep their agenda going slowly but surely.


26 posted on 01/23/2012 1:17:04 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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27 posted on 01/23/2012 1:20:19 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TYVets

most of the left have no clue what is going on , the black community are totally clueless, the liberals know a little and Dems in general mainly union hacks get their news from their union flyers and posters in the work place .

The left in general are just thick and not informed due to them getting news from media matters, huff post, NBC, MSNBC, union hacks, KOS, DU, NY Times etc.

Then they all stay in their circles and tell each other how smart they are.
It’s when they get out of the circle they find it shocking that people have a different view to them.


28 posted on 01/23/2012 1:21:49 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: marktwain

Now countries hate the USA more than under George W., and there are states in our OWN COUNTRY that are gradually working their way there:

Arizona, Texas, Alabama...others?

Picture a 2nd Obama term —how many more, then...?


29 posted on 01/23/2012 3:23:03 PM PST by gaijin
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To: manc
It’s when they get out of the circle they find it shocking that people have a different view to them.

Very true

The same thing can me said of me, when I get out of the information circle.

Many are really ill informed and many others just do not care.

I believe that is why we have the President we have now.

30 posted on 01/23/2012 3:34:18 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: marktwain

Prayers for all those in Arizona. If only other states would vocally back them on this necessity. If Congress can’t bring charges, then the State of Arizona has a definite right to do so - especially considering it is their citizens being directly targeted by the gangs outfitted by the Federal Gov’t.


31 posted on 01/23/2012 3:48:31 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: Irish Eyes

my kids were invited to a kids party and so I took them.

We arrived and saw the small boy alone crying outside, my kids went and played with him and we went in side the house.

There were 3 couples, very elitist types.

All they could do was to tell each other how smart they all were and she asked about my accent to which I told her where it is from.
She refused to believe me and actually questioned me

I turned round and said well the last time I was there my accent is the same as everyone else.

Another woman there was asking about England to which I replied Europe is very easy to travel as countries are very close etc.
She tried to give the impression that she had been to France etc.

I heard all of this and asked how was Paris.
“Great but she did not see much as she wanted to .” She said.

I then found out she had only stayed in the airport and never left it.

All of these people are fakes who all try to eat, drink, act , live all the same and then tell each other how smart they are, how they are self educated,etc.

They truly are pathetic.

I guarantee that right now over on their sites they are telling each other how smart they are, and how others are stupid.


32 posted on 01/23/2012 3:51:12 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: manc

Another woman there was asking about England to which I replied Europe is very easy to travel as countries are very close etc.
She tried to give the impression that she had been to France etc.

I heard all of this and asked how was Paris.
“Great but she did not see much as she wanted to .” She said.

I then found out she had only stayed in the airport and never left it.

All of these people are fakes who all try to eat, drink, act , live all the same and then tell each other how smart they are, how they are self educated,etc.
____________________________________

So true I have seen the very same thing myself . On one hand it is pretty funny to listen to them. Then I remember these people vote.


33 posted on 01/23/2012 3:59:20 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
I didn't play their game and say the usual stuff of "o my did you" or "wow that is great you really did a good job" You know those usual lines some say to suck up. Well my wife got a call later in the week saying that I had said things to this woman which were insulting etc. My wife asked what did I say and the woman refused to say what I was supposed to have said. Seems this woman told the host, the kids mother who invited us a pack of lies about me. it goes to show how the loons on the left act when one does not make them feel as important as they think they are.
34 posted on 01/23/2012 4:04:45 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: redgolum
I don’t know if they can.

Sovereign immunity.


It think they can. When you violate criminal law, you no longer can claim immunity because you have stepped out of your Federal immunity protection. No Federal funds can be expended to protect your ass so Holder's henchmen can not defend the violators. Matter of fact, a number of DOJ lawyers also need to be indicted. There were AUSAs and ATF violations, possibly ICE and FBI, in Arizona so Arizona should have subject matter and personal jurisdiction over these violations.

35 posted on 01/24/2012 6:53:10 AM PST by iontheball
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