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Senator Rand Paul Detained By the TSA
Human Events ^ | 01/23/2012 | John Hayward

Posted on 01/23/2012 12:12:45 PM PST by neverdem

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Senator Rand Paul was on his way from his home in Bowling Green, Kentucky to Washington, D.C. Monday morning, when he caused some kind of “anomaly” in a body scanner at the airport in Nashville. Agents of the Transportation Security Agency declared that he would have to submit to one of those legendary full-body pat-downs, but before a single rubber glove had snapped into place, Senator Paul refused. He wanted a new scan instead, but the TSA agents really had their hearts set on that pat-down.

This ended with Senator Paul parked in a cubicle while his plane took off. The TSA insists he was not “detained,” according to a CBS News report. Perhaps Paul exclaimed that he wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition, and the Comfy Chair had to be dragged out.

Coincidentally – it has to be a coincidence, right? – both Rand Paul and his father, congressman and Presidential candidate Ron Paul, have been very critical of the TSA, and enhanced pat-downs in particular, as CBS News notes:

In a June 2011 hearing, Paul told TSA administrator John Pistole, "I think you ought to get rid of the random pat-downs. The American public is unhappy with them, they're unhappy with the invasiveness of them."

After reports surfaced of young children getting intense, random pat-downs, Paul said in the hearing, "It just really just shows that no one is thinking... We need to be doing better police work and doing less of the universal giving up of our freedom to live our life the way we would like to live our life."

He suggested there should be a "trusted traveler" program in which people who travel frequently and are known to be not a threat, like congressmen, don't have to be searched...

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 112th; 4thamendment; paul; randpaul; randpauldetained; rights; ronpaul; tsa
There's a video at the source.
1 posted on 01/23/2012 12:12:50 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

And apparently the White House is siding with the TSA.:

“White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday that he didn’t have any reaction to Paul’s “police state” comments.

But Carney sided with the TSA saying, “I think it is absolutely essential that we take necessary actions to ensure that air travel is safe.”

I guess that isn’t the first time the White House has failed to recognize the Constitution:

Article 1, Section 6:
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


2 posted on 01/23/2012 12:17:16 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: neverdem

TSA would never have tried this crap with crazy Cindy McKinney. She would have jacked their asses up.


3 posted on 01/23/2012 12:17:24 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Independent" and "moderate" voters are overrated.)
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To: neverdem
He suggested there should be a "trusted traveler" program in which people who travel frequently and are known to be not a threat, like congressmen, don't have to be searched...

But most congressmen ARE a threat--not the bombing kind, but the taxing, regulating, spending kind who are destroying our country. I have no sympathy for any congresscritter who gets caught in the same trap inflicted on the rest of us.

4 posted on 01/23/2012 12:18:18 PM PST by American Quilter
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To: American Quilter
I have no sympathy for any congresscritter who gets caught in the same trap inflicted on the rest of us.

Exactly - just guessing here but I think most of them didn't get the ironic lesson of "Animal Farm" in middle school. Perhaps it's time for a re-read...

5 posted on 01/23/2012 12:22:38 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: newheart

Hell, the WH and DHS/Napolitano have probably put out a standing, secret order to harass GOP pols, particularly the alleged conservative ones.


6 posted on 01/23/2012 12:25:06 PM PST by izzatzo (All in for Newt.)
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To: neverdem

Great. I’m scheduled to fly out of Nahville tomorrow. I expect the TSA to be on their best (worst) behavior in order to prove they were not engaged in Congressional profiing - they’ll treat everyone badly.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 12:26:28 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: neverdem

A second scan, or at most a private visual inspection of the problem spot, should have sufficed. As well as declaring all congressmen and the president to be trusted travelers anyhow. All this is being done to stretch out the pretense of supposed impartiality so they can’t be accused of concentrating at the only known threat thus far, i.e. Mooses.


8 posted on 01/23/2012 12:27:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: newheart

The TSA and their boss in the White House could not possibly care less about the Constitution!


9 posted on 01/23/2012 12:28:41 PM PST by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: American Quilter
But most congressmen ARE a threat...

Exactly right. There should be "security" at each house/senate entrance thru which each congresscritter must pass. Before they enter, they must show a valid constitution, and sign a form stating that while in the day's session, they swear, under the penalty of perjury, to uphold every aspect of it.

10 posted on 01/23/2012 12:29:12 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: Martin Tell

Hey the Tennessee state troopers might get a bit uppity with DC cars like they do with New York staters right now. (Which even if it wasn’t asinine, it’s overkill because many New York staters have little or nothing to do with the policies of the Big Apple.)


11 posted on 01/23/2012 12:30:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: neverdem
He suggested there should be a "trusted traveler" program in which people who travel frequently and are known to be not a threat, like congressmen, don't have to be searched...

There is. If you sign up for Global Entry (at the US Customs), you'll be eligible for the TSA's "pre-check" pilot.

Global Entry gives you the option to skip the lines at passport control and use a device similar to an ATM to enter the US on return. You also get expedited handling after you get your baggage. Note: this is for returning to the US on an international flight. But, if you enroll in that, you can now get some extra benefits:

Delta and American are currently participating in a TSA pilot to provide expedited screening for people that enter their Global Entry ID number in their traveler profile on the airline's website.

It's only at a few security checkpoints in Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, and Las Vegas (others are being added). If you pass the pre-check, you go through a separate security line that is essentially pre-9/11:

In both Global Entry and TSA pre-check, you still have the possibility to be randomly selected for the usual screening. So, it's not a permanent exemption.

Yes, it costs money: $100 every 5 years. But, for those of us that fly every week, it's priceless.

12 posted on 01/23/2012 12:31:21 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: American Quilter
If I were Boehner (who is not a Senator, but has great authority over the Capitol Building when it comes to security), I'd order up a scanner and a mobile "body search booth" to be in place tomorrow evening when Obama an his enctourage come to the House Chamber for the State of the Union.

Have every one of them go through the system.

Those who set off the beepers get sent to a cloakroom for detention pending patdown.

This could take hours!

13 posted on 01/23/2012 12:33:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I like that idea!


14 posted on 01/23/2012 12:36:14 PM PST by Docs Galore
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To: neverdem

Rand jumped the shark when he decided to actually back his nutcase father as a real candidate for POTUS.
He knows that Ru doesn’t have a bat’s chance in h*ll of winning and did it anyway.

Familial loyalty?
He could have “recused” himself and certainly didn’t have to appear on stage with him, clapping and cheering in the background. I’ve lost respect for Rand.


15 posted on 01/23/2012 12:36:56 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: muawiyah

That’s a good idea.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 12:42:20 PM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: muawiyah
BTTT!

I have forwarded this idea to Boehner's office! I also forwarded to my Representative's and Senator's offices!
17 posted on 01/23/2012 12:43:53 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: newheart
Furthermore, Per US Code 40103, Sovereignty and use of airspace, right up front and clear as daylight: 2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. Not a privilege (what self-serving individual invented that?) but a right!
18 posted on 01/23/2012 12:52:23 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: ArmyTeach
Furthermore, Per US Code 40103, Sovereignty and use of airspace, right up front and clear as daylight: 2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace. Not a privilege (what self-serving individual invented that?) but a right!

There are also several supreme court decisions describing our right to travel. The fact is though, that ultimately, if you do not submit, they will kill you, and not have a rough nights sleep over it. FedGov long ago passed the point where this country could realistically be described as "free".

19 posted on 01/23/2012 1:33:23 PM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: neverdem

Paul got treated like everyone else and that upset him. Too bad.


20 posted on 01/23/2012 1:34:39 PM PST by Hacklehead (Winchester 52, because everyone needs a 22 rimfire that weighs 12 pounds.)
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To: zeugma

Unfortunately, that’s the bottom line, isn’t it.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 1:38:20 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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22 posted on 01/23/2012 1:43:46 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: newheart

There is a VERY important reason for that clause as well... Do you know if Rand Paul specifically mentioned that section of the Constitution? It would be wise for him to do so. Was there a vote, or even a meeting that he missed as a result of this “custodial detention” of a sitting Congressman? The reason the section exists is so that politicians can’t trump up inane charges against each other to prevent testimony or votes on specific issues in Congress.

This is much more serious in the case of Rand Paul than a violation of his basic 4th Amendment Rights - what he seems to be complaining about on behalf of all Americans which I am definitely grateful for.

I’m sure he doesn’t want to appear to be singling himself out for special treatment - however, according to the Constitution as an elected member of Congress those ARE his rights accorded to him in order to assure the performance of his duties of office. They had no right to prevent him from boarding that plane unless they could prove he committed a felony. Of course, had he refused to sit where they told him I suppose they could argue that it was a “breach of peace” on his part.

Anyway, I do think Rand Paul should make special note of the allocations made for Congressmen in regards to the law as written in the Constitution, alongside his complaints on behalf of his constituents.


23 posted on 01/23/2012 2:07:43 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: neverdem

I guess Senator Paul wasn’t able to attend the March for Life because of this. Or maybe that was this reason this happened?


24 posted on 01/23/2012 2:08:05 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: justlurking
You don't have to be in the Global Entry program to participate in the TSA Passenger Pre-screening initiative test.. American Airlines Frequent flyers were invited a few month ago by email to volunteer for the test. The airline provided TSA with all the information they had on you and TSA made the selection.

American started the test on January 17 at LAX and I was diverted to the old Pre-9/11, Pre-shoe bomber inspection: leave the belt, shoes and jacket on. Unfortunately, fewer than 1% of frequent flyers signed up, so this morning one of the lines was for the Pre-screen and everyone else was queued up in the line with the X-ray.

They really need to publicize this more before they decide the program doesn't work.

25 posted on 01/23/2012 2:08:44 PM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: justlurking
You don't have to be in the Global Entry program to participate in the TSA Passenger Pre-screening initiative test.. American Airlines Frequent flyers were invited a few month ago by email to volunteer for the test. The airline provided TSA with all the information they had on you and TSA made the selection.

American started the test on January 17 at LAX and I was diverted to the old Pre-9/11, Pre-shoe bomber inspection: leave the belt, shoes and jacket on. Unfortunately, fewer than 1% of frequent flyers signed up, so this morning one of the lines was for the Pre-screen and everyone else was queued up in the line with the X-ray.

They really need to publicize this more before they decide the program doesn't work.

26 posted on 01/23/2012 2:11:31 PM PST by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Procyon; justlurking

Yes. The newest version of “your papers, please,” circa 2012. See how easy it is to be maneuvered into accepting government control in exchange for not being inconvenienced?


27 posted on 01/23/2012 2:21:30 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: American Quilter
I have no sympathy for any congresscritter who gets caught in the same trap inflicted on the rest of us.

This particular congresscritter happens to be a fierce and vocal critic of TSA procedures; last year, during a Senate hearing, he grilled TSA Administrator John Pistole for the way a 6 yr old girl was groped by the TSA. He wasn't expecting special treatment. He expects, as a citizen, NOT to be subjected to police state tactics which have never once snagged an actual terrorist.

28 posted on 01/23/2012 2:36:06 PM PST by giotto
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To: newheart
"But Carney sided with the TSA saying, “I think it is absolutely essential that we take necessary actions to ensure that air travel is safe.”

It is my dearest hope that once this regime is ousted and Carney is traveling as a private citizen, he gets a full body cavity search. To ensure that air travel is safe, of course.

29 posted on 01/23/2012 2:41:54 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mountain Mary

What does your hatred of Ron Paul have to do with the topic, i.e., a US citizen being detained for refusing to be groped by TSA agents?


30 posted on 01/23/2012 2:46:19 PM PST by giotto
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To: Procyon
You don't have to be in the Global Entry program to participate in the TSA Passenger Pre-screening initiative test.. American Airlines Frequent flyers were invited a few month ago by email to volunteer for the test.

Yes, this is another way to participate. Unfortunately, I hadn't reached the necessary milestone (in flight miles) last year to participate this way.

I forgot that AA just started at LAX. There are also a couple of other airports (and airlines) starting pilots later this year.

They really need to publicize this more before they decide the program doesn't work.

I've been telling all the people I work with. Some of them are already enrolled in Global Entry, and didn't realize they could use it for TSA Pre-check.

31 posted on 01/23/2012 2:46:51 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Mountain Mary
I’ve lost respect for Rand.

Oh, for Pete's sake, Mary, it's his Dad. Let's be realistic.

32 posted on 01/23/2012 2:46:51 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: abb; Procyon
Global Entry is a program to expedite me through passport control when I return to the US. Instead of standing in line for up to an hour, I'm on my way in minutes. I usually spend more time waiting on my baggage.

What did I give up in exchange? $100. Nothing else. All of the information on the Global Entry application came straight from my passport. And TSA pre-check is simply an extra benefit.

I don't like the TSA any more than anyone else. But, this is one program that makes sense: they aren't wasting their time on people that they have already screened, repeatedly.

33 posted on 01/23/2012 2:53:44 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: muawiyah

Excellent! I doubt that Boner has the required body parts to do it, but it’s an excellent idea.


34 posted on 01/23/2012 4:46:51 PM PST by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: neverdem

Rinos best realize they have created an intolerable police state monster. The people have had enough of their supidity, corruption and political correctness.

I take it they nabbed a US Senator because there were no snow birds on the flight to keep the agents busy with a strip search?

Rinos should be ashamed of themselves going along with and often creating and pushing this ongoing
Federal crime against the constitution and people of the United States.

Newt should slam Obama for this incompetent outrage known as TSA.


35 posted on 01/23/2012 6:26:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: giotto; BfloGuy

I don’t hate Ron Paul. I just think he is the eccentric uncle and stark raving bat crazy on foreign affairs. And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

As for Rand, he refused to cooperate with the TSA and that’s what caused the whole controversy.ie, he brought it on himself.. I imagine there was a little “Do you have any idea who I am?” going on.
No thanks to both Rand and Ron.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 6:51:16 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: Mountain Mary
So if your 90 yr old grandmother, or your 4 yr old son, or your husband or you were subjected to a full body grope down, including agents putting their hands INSIDE the pants, touching the private parts, and barking orders the whole time, that's just fine with you.

You're just the kind of victim they like: no arguing, no complaints, no sense that your constitutional rights are being violated, to say nothing of your dignity.

Sorry, some of us still expect to be treated like human beings.

37 posted on 01/23/2012 8:23:09 PM PST by giotto
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To: giotto

Rand Paul fueled the controversy himself.
That’s what I’m talking about,,,not the TSA.

Whiners and drama queens/kings like you are a big part of the problem. You’re probably the type who makes a lotta noise but doesn’t do anything about that which bothers you.


38 posted on 01/23/2012 8:56:06 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: Mountain Mary
Rand Paul fueled the controversy himself.

How? By objecting to being treated like a slave? Go-along-to-get-along types like yourself will ensure that all of us will be subjected to increasingly tyranny in the near future. If everyone spoke up like Rand Paul, instead of bowing their heads like sheep about to be sheered, we could go back to merely being wanded, instead of being cooked in the scanner and/or molested by leering goons.

39 posted on 01/23/2012 11:09:45 PM PST by giotto
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To: Mountain Mary

He didn’t do anything more than request to go through the scanner again. A request anyone would make who didn’t want their johnson felt up by some TSA pedo-goon.


40 posted on 01/23/2012 11:16:10 PM PST by kevao
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To: Mountain Mary
Rand Paul fueled the controversy himself.

I'm betting you're one of those people who thinks that having the TSA strip-search you for your own safety actually helps.

If you're that batty, try medication. Feeling safer because the Government gets to feel you up is a sure sign of insanity.

41 posted on 01/24/2012 1:45:49 AM PST by superloser
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To: Mountain Mary

I disagree with you on this. It’s his father. Nutty as some of Ron’s ideas are, I’d have lost respect for Rand had he shunned his father in his run.


42 posted on 01/24/2012 2:23:37 AM PST by Nickname
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To: neverdem

Rand Paul Incident Leads to Ron Paul Fundraiser..

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/24/rand-paul-tsa-detention-leads-to-ron-paul-fundraiser/


43 posted on 01/24/2012 1:22:48 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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