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Romney: U.S. economy ‘getting better’ under Obama
Washington Monthly ^ | January 23, 2012 | Steve Benen (left-wing blogger)

Posted on 01/23/2012 2:20:24 PM PST by Qbert

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) appeared on “Fox News Sunday” yesterday and argued that President Obama’s policies “have actually made our economy worse.” Then he said it again. And again. All told, the House Republican repeated the claim five times in one interview (and in each instance, host Chris Wallace offered no pushback whatsoever).

For those who care about reality, Boehner’s claim isn’t true. Since the president took office, every aspect of the American economy — job creation, economic growth, manufacturing, the stock market, etc. — has improved considerably. Repeating a lie five times doesn’t make it true.

But what I find especially important about this is the extent to which Mitt Romney, the likely Republican presidential nominee, disagrees with Boehner.

Consider this remarkable exchange between Romney and conservative radio-host Laura Ingraham late last week: (thanks to F.B. for the tip)

INGRAHAM: You’ve also noted that there are signs of improvement on the horizon in the economy. How do you answer the president’s argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying it’s getting better?

ROMNEY: Well, of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after a recession, there is always a recovery. […]

INGRAHAM: Isn’t it a hard argument to make if you’re saying, like, OK, he inherited this recession, he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now, we’re seeing more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn’t that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth.

I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say this may be the most important statement Romney has made since launching his 2012 presidential campaign. Think about it: the likely GOP nominee argued, on the air and on the record, that the economy is getting better under President Obama, and it “happens to be the truth” that Obama took steps to turn the economy around, resulting in more jobs for American workers.

If Laura Ingraham had asked a Democratic ally of the president the same question, she likely would have heard a similar answer.

What’s more, as I noted over a week ago, Romney keeps saying this. He told voters in South Carolina and New Hampshire that under Obama, the economy is “getting better.”

Romney’s message, of course, comes with a catch: he believes the economy is improving, but he doesn’t want the president to get credit for it. But as Ingraham noticed, that’s an argument that will fail miserably.

A month into 2012, the Republican is effectively arguing, “Sure, Obama inherited a deep recession. And sure, he took a bunch of steps to turn the economy around. And sure, we’re now seeing more jobs being created and more economic growth. But vote against him anyway.”

This isn’t just a tough sell; it’s an impossible one.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: ecomonygettingbetter; economy; economybetter; florida; greateconomy; johnboehner; loser; mclameii; obamalovesromney; romney; romney4dnc; romney4obama; romney4romney
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Yep, this is the guy who we're supposed to nominate because he's so wonderful in articulating economic issues...
1 posted on 01/23/2012 2:20:30 PM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Every single debate answer:

“I agree with President Obama, but...”


2 posted on 01/23/2012 2:23:14 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: Jim Robinson

Another reason not to support Romney.


3 posted on 01/23/2012 2:25:22 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Qbert

What Mitt means is...Obama’s people are doing a better job at doctoring the numbers. Real unemployment is around seventeen percent.


4 posted on 01/23/2012 2:25:43 PM PST by kjo
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To: Qbert

As America does worse, Romney and Bain do better.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 2:26:29 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: kjo

That’s exactly what I was going to say. Wait until gas is $5/gallon and we’ll see how good people think Obama’s economy is.


6 posted on 01/23/2012 2:27:06 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Qbert

It IS getting a little better, but it is also an extraordinarily weak recovery in the face of headwinds, a good number of which are inflicted by Obama’s regulations. I would have hoped that Presidential candidate Romney could give a fuller answer.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 2:27:22 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Qbert

Well, no QE3 for you, then, Barak.


8 posted on 01/23/2012 2:28:27 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Qbert

O
M
G


9 posted on 01/23/2012 2:30:06 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Qbert
Romney, this is the answer:

“It's difficult to completely kill the US economy although Obama is giving his all. ObamaCare is a job and economic growth killer. Obama day to day tax policy is an economic growth killer. Obama’s late budgets are economic and job killers. Obama’s energy policy is an economic growth killer. And his Keystone decision is a job killer.”

Romney, get with it. Sheesh!

10 posted on 01/23/2012 2:30:18 PM PST by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et. al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Qbert

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/us-unrecovery


11 posted on 01/23/2012 2:30:25 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Qbert
Romney, this is the answer:

“It's difficult to completely kill the US economy although Obama is giving it his all. ObamaCare is a job and economic growth killer. Obama day to day tax policy is an economic growth killer. Obama’s late budgets are economic and job killers. Obama’s energy policy is an economic growth killer. And his Keystone decision is a job killer.”

Romney, get with it. Sheesh!

12 posted on 01/23/2012 2:30:56 PM PST by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et. al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Qbert

It seems that the “Washington Monthly” has the “Bravo” flag flying! Crude yes but true.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 2:31:28 PM PST by mongo141
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To: Qbert
ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth.

That's just completely unacceptable for anyone with half a brain.

14 posted on 01/23/2012 2:31:31 PM PST by Track9 (The revolution IS brewing..)
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To: Qbert
Good Lord.

Romney is talking out of both sides now. I wonder if Rush will take him to task like he did with Newt.

15 posted on 01/23/2012 2:32:37 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: Kennard

The economy is not recovering. It’s a dead cat bounce. The real unemployment rate is continually hidden, the real estate market remains in the dumps, and gas prices still remain far too high. If Romney isn’t capable of articulating the reasons why Obama needs to go, then he will be a disaster as nominee. That is the real contrast between Romney and Gingrich that voters are viewing in the debates. They don’t want another “I’ll reach across the aisle” candidate like McCain.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 2:33:03 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I don’t think it is getting better. I think we’re learning how to live with it. We’re getting used to a bad economy.

Do the higher employment numbers of last month exclude seasonal employment? I don’t know. But I do know that if the company that just bought the plant where I work decides to lay me off, I have very few employment opportunities in my field of work.


17 posted on 01/23/2012 2:34:15 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Qbert

The economy has recovered. However, it is in spite of Obama (who has ushered in significant roadblocks in regulations, et al), not because of him.

The first thing we have to do is be honest.

While the overall economy has gotten better (though modestly) the financial condition of our country has gotten much worse... $4.5T in new debt, no budget since Obama was sworn in, worsening credit rating... et al.


18 posted on 01/23/2012 2:34:35 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

"It IS getting a little better, but it is also an extraordinarily weak recovery in the face of headwinds, a good number of which are inflicted by Obama’s regulations."

In any number or piece of data that they point to to say that the economy is supposedly improving in the temporary, you can just as easily point to 5-10 other things that show that it is getting demonstrably worse- especially in the long-term.

Even the supposed "great" drop in the unemployment rate... caused by no longer counting 315,000 people.

19 posted on 01/23/2012 2:36:20 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Below is the actual quote before it was trimmed fror effect:

ROMNEY: “Have you got a better one, Laura? [laughter] It just happens to be the truth.... at some point it’s going to get better, but I don’t think President Obama’s helping it.”

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Why-Newt/(page)/2


20 posted on 01/23/2012 2:38:20 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Qbert

Newt has picked the real fight... at his victory speech in SC on Saturday, he spoke of the two America’s, the one in which we all know and believe in and the one that Obama is trying to create... in the image of socialism by way of Saul Alinsky. If you only argue economy, you may wind up supporting an economy that eventually begins to work, but under the auspices socialism.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 2:39:00 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Qbert

South Carolina, with 10% unemployment and an active target for anti-business gov’t interference, felt otherwise.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 2:41:59 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Qbert; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; MEG33; ...
Romney = Obama-lite Obama!!
23 posted on 01/23/2012 2:42:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: pgyanke

Here in the bay area the cost of living has increased 18% in the past three years. My spouse and I are paid less than we were three years ago. In all, our spending power is in a deficit. But neither of us are represented in the unemployment numbers.


24 posted on 01/23/2012 2:45:19 PM PST by Thidwick
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To: Jim Robinson

“”Romney = Obama-lite Obama!””

RoBAMney.


25 posted on 01/23/2012 2:46:25 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: Qbert

Go Newt!


26 posted on 01/23/2012 2:47:06 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: Qbert

This is really pathetic. What planet does this guy live on? It is so painfully obvious that he is the WRONG guy for the job right now...amazing that the Republic establishment doesn’t get it. We are so far ahead of them it’s astounding. Guess that’s what happens when you only talk to your beltway buddies...like an echo chamber.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 2:47:11 PM PST by madmominct
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To: Qbert

Romney walked right into it. Don’t EVER let him loose alone in a two-holer outdoor toilet. Because we already know what will happen.


28 posted on 01/23/2012 2:47:12 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

"Below is the actual quote before it was trimmed fror effect:

ROMNEY: “Have you got a better one, Laura? [laughter] It just happens to be the truth.... at some point it’s going to get better, but I don’t think President Obama’s helping it.”

Thanks- it looks like some selective editing on leftist Steve Benen's part. Nonetheless, as the article you link to mentioned, it still is a very weak argument on Romney's part- in an area that is supposed to be his forte. (And on top of it, I wouldn't put it past the Dems using it out of context in ads if he's the nominee, and justify it by saying that he took Obama "out of context" in his ad a few months ago)

29 posted on 01/23/2012 2:48:01 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

I can just see this in round the clock Obama ads and ads thanking Romney for helping design Obamacare. This guy is a terrible candidate.


30 posted on 01/23/2012 2:48:01 PM PST by Howdyneighbor
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To: Qbert

I showed this to someone and he accused this left wing blogger of making it up. Does anyone remember hearing this interview? Or have a link to the transcript?

Thanks.


31 posted on 01/23/2012 2:49:33 PM PST by DManA
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To: Chgogal

I’d vote for you. You have the sense to know how to frame the argument. Romney - not so much!!


32 posted on 01/23/2012 2:51:57 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier arriving tonight in Hawaii from his tour in Afghanistan.)
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To: Qbert
“Sure, Obama inherited a deep recession. And sure, he took a bunch of steps to turn the economy around. And sure, we’re now seeing more jobs being created and more economic growth. But vote against him anyway.”


33 posted on 01/23/2012 2:52:13 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Qbert; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; MEG33; ...

McLame: “ Nothing to fear about Obama.”

Mitt: “Obama’s economy is getting better.”

Way to fight, boys!! Better stock up on Viagra!!

We are the resistance!!

Rebellion is on!!

Join or die!!

Don’t tread on me!!


34 posted on 01/23/2012 2:52:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: Qbert

And their are people here that are STILL confused on the idea of needing to beat this guy???????


35 posted on 01/23/2012 2:53:35 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Qbert
Romney does not understand the economy.

He has never been a businessman.

He has always been a corporate raider.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 2:54:36 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Qbert
[. . .it still is a very weak argument on Romney's part- in an area that is supposed to be his forte.]

I agree 100 percent. There are more comprehensive answers to Laura's question from FReepers on this post.

37 posted on 01/23/2012 2:55:14 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Qbert

Here is a clip of the unedited interview. Doesn’t sound quit so bad when you listen to it:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/288736/ingraham-challenges-romney-message-brian-bolduc


38 posted on 01/23/2012 2:55:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: Qbert; onyx

I guess this pompous assshat hasn’t bought gas or been grocery shopping in the last three years.

FUMR.

When does the clown drive the tank and go pheasant hunting?


39 posted on 01/23/2012 2:55:58 PM PST by glock rocks (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html)
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To: Jim Robinson
Romney = Obama-lite Obama!!

Youbetcha !

And according to the system clock in here, I'm replying to yours before you posted it !

40 posted on 01/23/2012 2:56:26 PM PST by tomkat (Newt/Sarah '12)
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To: Qbert
Mitt Romney: Of Course The Economy Is Getting Better (2:41 min.)

This link goes right to the interview without have to listen to Rachel Maddow and it is shorter.

41 posted on 01/23/2012 3:00:33 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: DManA; Jim Robinson

"I showed this to someone and he accused this left wing blogger of making it up. Does anyone remember hearing this interview? Or have a link to the transcript?"

See comment 20- it appears that the left-wing blogger chopped off the last part in the interview where Romney added that he "didn't think Obama was helping". Still- if this is the best Romney can come up with, this is pretty pathetic.

42 posted on 01/23/2012 3:03:37 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

If it’s getting better, then why should we vote for ya, Guvnor, the change might just screw the wonderful Obama economy up.


43 posted on 01/23/2012 3:05:46 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Qbert
Since the president took office, every aspect of the American economy — job creation, economic growth, manufacturing, the stock market, etc. — has improved considerably.

Tinfoil for everyone!!!!!!!

44 posted on 01/23/2012 3:06:30 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Qbert

45 posted on 01/23/2012 3:06:35 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Qbert

No mitt No way!!!!


46 posted on 01/23/2012 3:08:07 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Qbert

“And sure, we’re now seeing more jobs being created and more economic growth.”

Sooo... I guess I can put my house on the market and get the same 750K for it as I could have gotten pre-obama?

Idiot!


47 posted on 01/23/2012 3:11:41 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Chgogal
"It's difficult to completely kill the US economy although Obama is giving his all"

Luckily, Zero's 'all' isn't very much.

48 posted on 01/23/2012 3:12:37 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Qbert

....exactly which galaxy does this east coast twit inhabit?

Or has he just got his head jammed up his bum so far that he can’t even detect daylight anymore?

I live and work in South central Montana, which we’ve been told is really, truly recession-proof and livin’ high, mostly because of all the energy development (Bakken Field is 300 miles east, “our” piece of Keystone is just a tad bit closer).

Bullsh**.

The company I work for is the last one remaining out of five that were here in ‘08, our job schedule beyond the first of April (normally our busy time) was real skimpy BEFORE The 0 started dithering around with Keystone, and went to absolutely jack-point-zip-diddly-sh** nothing as soon as the Great Proclamation last week.

My best guess right now is that I’ll be out of a job when the company finally folds up just about time to send in my taxes.

Maybe I should have everybody here send our tax bills to the Washington Weekly to pay, since they’ve got such a hot deal going. \sarc


49 posted on 01/23/2012 3:12:54 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet ((361 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; TheOldLady; musicman; STARWISE; MEG33; deoetdoctrinae; ...

The contrast between Romney and Newt could not be more stark. Go Newt!


50 posted on 01/23/2012 3:13:52 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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