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NRA-Backed Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax Passes Unanimously in U.S. Senate...
NRA ^ | 08/06/2010

Posted on 01/23/2012 2:29:20 PM PST by mnehring

NRA-Backed Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax Passes Unanimously in U.S. Senate -- Bill Passed in U.S. House by 412-6 Vote in June

By unanimous consent, the U.S. Senate on Thursday passed H.R. 5552 -- the Firearms Excise Tax Improvement Act -- sponsored by Congressmen Ron Kind (D-WI) and Paul Ryan (R-WI). S. 632, its Senate companion, was sponsored by Senators Max Baucus (D-MT) and Mike Crapo (R-ID).

“I would like to thank Senators Baucus and Crapo for their leadership in helping secure passage of this measure,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist. "Firearm and ammunition manufacturers were unfairly mandated to pay their excise taxes biweekly while all other manufacturers paid their taxes quarterly. This was an undue burden on the industry. In addition to being equitable, the change to a quarterly excise tax payment schedule will allow manufacturers to reinvest funds into researching and developing new products, purchasing new manufacturing machinery and creating jobs without establishing a new tax, adding to the burgeoning federal deficit, or using any bailout money.”

The Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated that this legislation will create a net revenue increase of $4 million over ten years. Accordingly, S. 632 will increase funding for wildlife conservation through the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund. The Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund, established by enactment of federal legislation in 1937, authorizes the development of wildlife restoration projects across the country. This legislation will neither raise taxes nor exempt firearm and ammunition manufacturers from paying federal excise taxes into the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund.

H.R. 5552, the House companion of S. 632, passed in the U.S. House of Representatives on June 29 by 412-6 margin with only a handful of congressmen -- John Conyers (D-MI), Sam Farr (D-CA), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Jerry Nadler (D-NY), Ron Paul (R-TX) and Maxine Waters (D-CA) -- voting against this common-sense measure. To view this roll call vote, click on: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll400.xml.

The bill now goes to the President for his signature.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; nra; rino; ronpaul
Did you know that Ron Paul was the ONLY Republican siding with liberals to unfairly force firearms and ammunition manufacturers to pay taxes BIWEEKLY instead of QUARTERLY like every other manufacturer?
1 posted on 01/23/2012 2:29:27 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
Winning The Future?

What taxes are placed on Canadian and Mexican Ammo Sales?

2 posted on 01/23/2012 2:32:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mnehring

” The Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund, established by enactment of federal legislation in 1937, “

‘There is nothing so permanent as a temporary Government program” — Ronald Reagan


3 posted on 01/23/2012 2:35:55 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: mnehring

Well Ron Paul keeps proving he is a complete Rat. His bunch keeps sending fancy fliers, I use them unread to start the fire in the wood stove in my shop. Works great, bulls**t will start a fire.


4 posted on 01/23/2012 2:38:14 PM PST by mongo141
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To: mnehring

Considering he’s the most solidly pro-2nd around, I’m sure he had a reason.

There have been more than a few NRA-backed measures over the years that I wish never had passed. This isn’t necessarily one of them.

Also, I believe that imported ammo and guns are subject to the same excise tax.

Q: is a 10% tax on a fundamental rights an “infringment”?


5 posted on 01/23/2012 2:40:27 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: mnehring

too late, my latest additions ship this week.

and ammo....no worries for at least 10 years....


6 posted on 01/23/2012 2:40:27 PM PST by G Larry (We need Bare Knuckles Newt to fight this battle.)
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To: mnehring

The NRA backed this? I guess it is another of their “give a little to get a little” excuses. Who the hell is running the NRA anyhow? Did I see Paul Ryan’s name on this legislation?


7 posted on 01/23/2012 2:44:06 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Beelzebubba

In addressing your question, ask yourself if democraps would tolerate a 10% excise tax on any and all abortions? The progressive dead-souls consider the right to kill an alive unborn child to be a fundamental right ...


8 posted on 01/23/2012 2:47:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jukeman

another no read comment?


9 posted on 01/23/2012 2:49:33 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Jukeman
I believe this relieved an unfair practice that of making firearms manufactures pay the tax every two weeks. They now pay them like every other manufacturer quarterly. It is not a new or increased tax but it should save a little cash for those manufacturers.
10 posted on 01/23/2012 2:49:53 PM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: mnehring

Ok, I guess this looks like an improvement over how things were. But it still remains a question mark for me.


11 posted on 01/23/2012 2:50:21 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: G Larry

too late, my latest additions ship this week.


The manufacturer pays the same tax, but they only need to send a check 4 times a year, instead of 26. It’s a bookkeeping convenience.


12 posted on 01/23/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Jukeman

It didn’t impose a new tax, it changed when they had to send in the money, to make it the same as other excise tax collections.

I’m guessing there is some sort of interest rate involved, such that by waiting 3 months the government gets a little extra money, but 4 million over 10 years is a rather small amount of extra money.

And I’d guess Ron Paul opposed it because he probably opposes having ANY excise tax, and therefore wouldn’t vote to change the date of collection because that would implicitly accept the notion of an excise tax. It’s how he thinks, and so long as it makes no difference in passing a bill, he has that luxury. If he had actually caused this fix to fail, I would bet he wouldn’t have voted this way.

I say that because he voted to oppose the payroll tax holiday when it didn’t matter, but when his lone objection would have stopped them from passing it last Christmas, he pointedly stayed out of town rather than making that objection.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 2:52:49 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 95B30

I see that now. I jump every time I see tax. My mistake.


14 posted on 01/23/2012 2:53:41 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Jukeman

Jukeman, did you read he article? This is a very good thing for ammo manufacturers and I would have been shocked if the NRA had not backed it.

Think of it this way. If you are self employed you must make quarterly estimated income tax deposits. Ammo manufactures that have had to make excise tax deposits every other week will now only have to make them quarterly like most other taxes.


15 posted on 01/23/2012 2:55:14 PM PST by Tomhorn (Wake up and smell the coffee)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I should have read further before I made the leap. I realized my error after the fact but thanks for your explanation.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 2:56:14 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Jukeman

I’ve done it too. But you got to read the article before typing. :o)


17 posted on 01/23/2012 2:57:19 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Jukeman
Ok, I guess this looks like an improvement over how things were. But it still remains a question mark for me.

Ahh. Look at that. You did go back and read it. LOL.

18 posted on 01/23/2012 2:59:12 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Jukeman

4 more apologies and your penance might be done. :o)

(I actually am LMAO. Sorry.)


19 posted on 01/23/2012 3:01:32 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Tomhorn

I jumped to soon to a conclusion and realized my mistake after commenting. I said to myself, “wait a minute, this is good.” Well, just chalk it up to a dithering old man. Sometimes we get caught up in the moment and memories of Charlie’s Angels or some such.


20 posted on 01/23/2012 3:05:09 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Tenacious 1

Well, I think I’ve apologized to everyone on FR now.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 3:13:37 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Beelzebubba

11% for hand guns, FYI.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 3:20:35 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: Beelzebubba
"Q: is a 10% tax on a fundamental rights an “infringement”?"

A .00000001 percent tax is an INFRINGEMENT. So are ALL federal gun laws.

23 posted on 01/23/2012 3:20:35 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Jukeman
The NRA backed this? I guess it is another of their “give a little to get a little” excuses. Who the hell is running the NRA anyhow? Did I see Paul Ryan’s name on this legislation?

Did you even read the article and find out what the bill does? Are you so stupid you can't see this is a good thing for ammo manufacturers?

24 posted on 01/23/2012 3:20:47 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

Yep. Nobody actually reads here anymore....


25 posted on 01/23/2012 3:29:21 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (...And I'm All Out Of Gum.)
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To: calex59

“I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection”.

Thomas Paine


26 posted on 01/23/2012 3:46:07 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Beelzebubba

It’s more than a convenience. The businesses will be able to take advantage of the time value of money and put it to work for them, instead of shipping it off to the feds.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 3:54:59 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Jukeman

Hey! I didn’t get a ‘harumph’ over here. ;^)


28 posted on 01/23/2012 4:07:44 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

I’m about harumphed out but here goes: HARUMPH!
DITTO
DITTO
DITTO!


29 posted on 01/23/2012 4:11:21 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Jukeman

ROTFL With tendonitis creeping into my hands I have become more careful not to make posts that might require a dozen mea culpas to all the people TOO LAZY to read the replies or click on the “replies” button under the post in question. ;^)


30 posted on 01/23/2012 4:15:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: mongo141

Then keep well clear of the White House, because that place must be about to go nuclear with all the BS coming from the Resident.


31 posted on 01/23/2012 4:18:36 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: TigersEye

I feel your pain. Don’t know what got into me. Could be because my bride has been watching the Ophra channel all afternoon about Ryan O’Neill and Farrah Fawcett. Whee! Sometimes you just have to turn a deaf ear, something I’ve learned during 48 years of marriage.


32 posted on 01/23/2012 4:24:15 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Jukeman
I think my pain must be minor compared to that! But there is an opportunity in everything. Time to try out those shooter's ear muffs you gave yourself for Christmas. Or should have. heh
33 posted on 01/23/2012 4:32:06 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is the most Pro 2A candidate, so I am sure he had a reason.


34 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You may be right in your guess that Paul voted against it as a protest against the tax, but there are a couple of other possibilities.

Ron Paul and the NRA have a bit of a history of antagonism because he views them as too eager to compromise and they view him as a nut.

The bill summary suggests another reason or two:

8/16/2010--Public Law. (This measure has not been amended since it was passed by the House on June 29, 2010. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Firearms Excise Tax Improvement Act of 2010 - Amends the Internal Revenue Code to require: (1) excise taxes on recreational equipment to be due and payable on the date for filing the return for such taxes (i.e., quarterly); and (2) the Secretary of the Treasury to assess and collect, in the same manner as delinquent taxes are assessed and collected, mandatory orders of restitution for victims of crime. Increases by 0.25% in the third quarter of 2015 the estimated tax payments of corporations with assets of not less than $1 billion. Provides for compliance of the budgetary effects of this Act with the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2010.

The bolded bit contains a couple of things he might question. What is that 2015 estimated tax payment increase for big corporations doing in there?
35 posted on 01/24/2012 7:28:35 AM PST by publiusF27
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To: Beelzebubba
-- Q: is a 10% tax on a fundamental rights an "infringment"? --

According to SCOTUS, in the 1939 Miller decision, the answer to that is "Yes." The 2nd amendment stands in the way.

36 posted on 01/24/2012 7:32:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Jukeman

So did I, had to read it twice...!


37 posted on 01/24/2012 3:54:10 PM PST by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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