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Rand Paulís Pat-Down Standoff With TSA in Nashville Ends
ABC News ^ | Jan 23, 2012 10:33am | Sunlen Miller

Posted on 01/23/2012 3:06:21 PM PST by Texas Fossil

By Sunlen Miller @sunlenmiller

Rand Paul’s Pat-Down Standoff With TSA in Nashville Ends

Sen. Rand Paul told his communications director this morning he was being detained by TSA at the Nashville airport.

The Twitter account associated with Paul staffer Moira Bagley, @moirabagley, tweeted around 10 a.m., ET, “Just got a call from @senrandpaul. He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”

A TSA spokesman disputed that Paul was ever “detained.” But he was not granted access to the secure area of the airport when he tried to board a flight Monday morning.

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TSA says he was not "detained", but he did miss his flight.

The Constitution states clearly that House & Senate members are immune to normal arrest going and coming from Sessions.

Of course the Constitution is not held in high regards by Obozo.

The White House (no statement who spoke) has stated that the TSA was correct to detain Senator Paul.

MY, MY, My if there were ever a rogue agency that needed castrating it is TSA. Along with several others.

1 posted on 01/23/2012 3:06:33 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

I think it was Robert Gibbs who spoke for the White House, according to another source.


2 posted on 01/23/2012 3:08:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Texas Fossil

DemonCraps are immune to DUI when in Congress!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/04/politics/main1590041.shtml


3 posted on 01/23/2012 3:15:35 PM PST by omega4179 (Internet ID:FU░&#BO)
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To: Texas Fossil
The TSA contends that once you enter the screening area, you must complete the screening. They won't allow you to refuse some aspect of screening, and then return to the non-secured area.

Of course, this is their "policy", which is completely contrary to any law I know about. I've read of people being detained, and "real" law enforcement being called. But, I believe that several people have continued to refuse, and law enforcement ultimately escorted them out -- because the sworn officers know the TSA has no authority to perform a search once it is no longer voluntary.

I suspect this is what happened to Rand Paul.

4 posted on 01/23/2012 3:15:50 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Texas Fossil

the very same TSA who said they never strip searched two old ladies, the same TSA who then admitted they had but they said sorry but never.

That TSA do we mean?


5 posted on 01/23/2012 3:15:53 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: manc

“That TSA do we mean?”

Butches SS troops!


6 posted on 01/23/2012 3:19:09 PM PST by mongo141
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To: justlurking

What about immunity for normal arrest when on Senate business.

This is being vindictive toward outspoken Senators. Obozo would do that.....

And he has demonstrated his contempt for the Chains of the Constitution.

He thinks he was elected King, and he is not even a Burger King.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 3:22:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Cicero

Thanks.

Thought Robert (Baghdad Bob) Gibbs had been replaced, was long gone.


8 posted on 01/23/2012 3:25:50 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

If I remember correctly, the ex-Grand Wizard Klansman in the Senate carried a pocket copy of the Constitution which was used for avoiding speeding tickets.

So, how is the TSA right on this one, Mr _resident?


9 posted on 01/23/2012 3:32:05 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Texas Fossil

I recently saw (on an FR thread) a pic of Zero picking his nose so he is more like the Booger King, don’t you think?


10 posted on 01/23/2012 3:36:23 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

Yep.


11 posted on 01/23/2012 3:39:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

I don’t care if the Constitution says he cannot be arrested to or from attending Congress. He wasn’t arrested. And he’s not above the rest of us when it means getting on public air transportation. But he can do something about it.


12 posted on 01/23/2012 3:40:18 PM PST by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Texas Fossil

disgusting!!!

Gestapo tactics already.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 3:41:18 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Dryman

Yep, that is correct and he was pretty well schooled on the Constitution.

Now that you mention it, I just saw this over on twitter.

RT @TSAgov #TSA Statement: @SenRandPaul was caught at security carrying a pocket Constitution. This is a known handbook for terrorism.

Appropriate?? hee hee hee


14 posted on 01/23/2012 3:42:32 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: theDentist

What is the difference between being “detained” and being “arrested”?


15 posted on 01/23/2012 3:44:27 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

I’m sure one of the questions in tonight’s NBC “debate” will be:

So, Mr. Speaker, what do you think of the White House’s reaction to the TSA having a sitting senator removed from the secure area of the airport by police for refusing to be molested by federal government agents?

BWAHAHAHAHA. As if.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 3:44:55 PM PST by glock rocks (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html)
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To: manc

Speak of the devil... It didn’t take them long to rear their good little Commie prison camp heads again...


17 posted on 01/23/2012 3:48:35 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Texas Fossil

None. He could have left the airport any time he wished.
But he isn’t going to the planes until he gets the once over like the rest of us.


18 posted on 01/23/2012 3:49:37 PM PST by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Texas Fossil

The communist brutes detain a sitting United States senator. Wow.

And so it begins.

I am about to take a 2200 mile drive to pick up my dad and bring him back for a neurological work up in my town, rather than subject him to the unconstitutional search and privacy violation that is US air travel.

I will carry a pistol or two if I want, and a pocket knife, and a diet coke.

Bin Ladin won the war on terror. Now we have terror. In spades.


19 posted on 01/23/2012 3:52:33 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: theDentist
And he’s not above the rest of us when it means getting on public air transportation.

Actually as a Senator he should be. Imagine - just imagine - holding up a Senator when a contentious vote was in the offing. The Vice President gets to break ties. If a Senator can't be trusted not to blow up an airplane, who can be?

20 posted on 01/23/2012 3:54:40 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Texas Fossil
TSA = The Sanduskying of America.
21 posted on 01/23/2012 3:55:23 PM PST by mkjessup (I support the *NEWTerizer* - the only candidate who WILL Kick 0bama's AZZ!!)
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To: theDentist

He was held incommunicado for an hour and a half and missed business in Congress. Sounds like an arrest to me.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 3:55:58 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: glorgau

The congress and the president created this system, let them submit themselves to it like their fellow citizens do.


23 posted on 01/23/2012 3:57:14 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: John Semmens

All sorts of good material here.


24 posted on 01/23/2012 3:57:35 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Borax Queen
and they want to form a union. Hopefully they'll be disbanded soon under Newt or who ever gets it and private companies come in with ex marines etc who know the score about security. I saw a photo on here once which had an elderly nun , a nun of all people being searched by a muslim lady. Now correct me if i am wrong but elderly nuns are not much of a threat but I am betting this muslim woman stopped the nun for spite.
25 posted on 01/23/2012 3:58:15 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Texas Fossil
What about immunity for normal arrest when on Senate business.

On another thread about this, a poster wrote that Rand Paul typically "dresses down" when traveling, so that he isn't as recognizable. I'm curious if he even identified himself as a US Senator, and if anyone at the TSA checkpoint was knowledgeable enough to recognize him or even his name.

Even the TSA is smart enough to realize the political fallout from harassing a US Senator. They got a huge black eye back in 2004 because Ted Kennedy was stopped repeatedly because he had a name similar to "T. Kennedy" on the secret "no-fly" list. I believe it eventually led to the "redress number" system where you can get certification that you aren't the person on the no-fly list, even though you have the same name.

BTW, there is a similar law in Texas. Every legislative session, the Texas Dept. of Public Safety issued a "blue card" to every Texas legislator. It identified them as someone that the DPS should not detain. I don't know if other law enforcement agencies honored it.

However, I don't think the DPS issues it any longer. There were some abuses of the card years ago, and I think a legislator that was DWI went on to be involved in a serious accident after the DPS didn't detain him. But, I may be misremembering it....

26 posted on 01/23/2012 4:08:24 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Texas Fossil

Sorry, did I say that. I meant the current jerk.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 4:09:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: theDentist
None. He could have left the airport any time he wished.

Not according to the TSA. They claim that once you submit to the screening, you must complete it.

What really happens when you refuse: they call local law enforcement. You wait until they get there. Then, local law enforcement escorts you back to the non-secured area.

The TSA has no authority to detain you, but they do. The cops know this, and that's why you leave immediately after they arrive.

28 posted on 01/23/2012 4:13:30 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: All; theDentist
I read earlier Senator Paul had already been through the body scanner. This was an effort to grope him too.

For those curious, Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:

...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

29 posted on 01/23/2012 4:14:18 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path... do the right thing, Rick!)
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"A TSA spokesman disputed that Paul was ever “detained.”

Liars. They denied strip searching two elderly women, then were forced to admit they had wrongly strip frisked them. Frickin' a-holes.

30 posted on 01/23/2012 4:15:12 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: theDentist
He wasn’t arrested.

Let's just say you and I have a different definition of "arrested" and leave it at that.

31 posted on 01/23/2012 4:17:10 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: theDentist
And he’s not above the rest of us when it means getting on public air transportation.

Whatever.

NONE OF US should put up with this crap!

32 posted on 01/23/2012 4:19:02 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: theDentist

Yes he is. He, in the course of his duty when the Senate is in session, cannot be detained from travelling to and from the Senate. It was placed in the Constitution to prevent people using LEOs to keep lesgislators from appearing to vote. In the course of doing their constitutional duty, they are different.Rand Paul was stopped from entering the secure area and was prevented from leaving the area with the detectors.


33 posted on 01/23/2012 4:19:23 PM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: Texas Fossil; theDentist; Locomotive Breath

Arrest means to stop.

(See: Arresting cable, arrested development)


34 posted on 01/23/2012 4:23:58 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Texas Fossil

If only he was as wise as Maj. ______ DeCoverley in the mess hall when confronted with such nonsense. /obscure


35 posted on 01/23/2012 4:29:51 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

So if a cop arrests me, I can turn around and go home, right?

My point is, he needs to undergo the same searches as the rest of us if he wants to get on an airliner.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 4:36:58 PM PST by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist
U.S. Constitution

Section 6

1: The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.6 They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

37 posted on 01/23/2012 4:38:52 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: newzjunkey

Technically it might not apply because he was going back to attend the March for Life rally and give a speech.


38 posted on 01/23/2012 4:40:35 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: newzjunkey

Very clear, you beat me to it.


39 posted on 01/23/2012 4:42:42 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Fledermaus
be privileged from Arrest...and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

It is a clear violation.

40 posted on 01/23/2012 4:46:13 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: theDentist
So if a cop arrests me, I can turn around and go home, right?

No, you're arrested.

My point is, he needs to undergo the same searches as the rest of us if he wants to get on an airliner.

He's a member of Congress, probably not, But I don't think any of us should be subject to these unConstitutional searches.

41 posted on 01/23/2012 4:47:48 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: manc

Detaining and harassing the infirm, the elderly, the very young, the returning vets, so classy... And the rest are lining up, raising their arms in surrender, going through the cancer machines, anything to please their prison camp guards.

Reparations...

And, I’m sure you’ve heard how it’s no longer a matter of “just don’t fly”....


42 posted on 01/23/2012 4:50:24 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: mass55th

Yes, they are.


43 posted on 01/23/2012 4:56:54 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: justlurking

Original intent both federal and state is to prevent opposition from detaining by law enforcement as a means to change the outcome in a House or Senate vote.

If they are detained and not present they cannot vote.


44 posted on 01/23/2012 4:58:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Borax Queen

Many have become sheep who follow, never question and always want to appear popular.


45 posted on 01/23/2012 5:08:17 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: theDentist

Yes, actually he was arrested. Legally, when you are being detained by a government agent, and are no longer free to leave, that is an “arrest”.
Being arrested in a legal sense doesn’t mean a trip to the jail and charges. It just means that it is not a consensual stop.
If you refuse some TSA action, they will not let you leave. That is an arrest that may or may not end up in charges.


46 posted on 01/23/2012 5:14:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Texas Fossil

“What is the difference between being “detained” and being “arrested”?”

None,,, there are consensual stops where you are free to stop talking and leave. If you want to leave and are told you may not, that is an arrest according to long established USSC rulings.
It confuses many because they associate an “arrest” with being charged with a crime.
If an officer stops you, and says you may not leave, he has just arrested you no matter what new CSI term someone tries to use. Any reason he gives is the legal justification for an “arrest”.


47 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Texas Fossil

Whatever the facts are, I salute Mr. Paul for taking a stand and bringing the light of truth on the TSA. Until the US is willing to stop this PC crap and target the real suspects of the searches, I’m gonna drive.......


48 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: theDentist

I am glad that Rand Paul is fighting this battle. The one thing that leftist totalitarians do is separate people and attack the lone individual so we are all alone and fearful.


49 posted on 01/23/2012 5:22:58 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: theDentist

“So if a cop arrests me, I can turn around and go home, right?”
No, and he can wrestle you, cuff you, Tazer you, etc to keep you from leaving. Arrested means no longer free to leave. A whole set of law swings into action ref your rights, and what the officer may and must do.

For example, the famous Miranda warnings. Two conditions trigger those, you are being questioned, AND you are not free to leave.
If the officer wants to question you,, but would permit you to walk away, Miranda is not required.

Basically, when you are free to leave, you are not arrested. If Rand would have tried to walk, the government agents would have physically detained him for the police. THAT is an arrest.

Another way to think of it is this,, when the Walmart employee wrongly thinks you have stolen something, and tackles you, holding you down till the cops come, you will be suing Walmart for “false arrest”.


50 posted on 01/23/2012 5:33:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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