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Video: White House sides with TSA in Rand Paul patdown ("The passenger was not detained")
Hotair ^ | 01/23/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/23/2012 6:13:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The worst part of this is Jay Carney's vaguely creepy insistence on using bureaucracy lingo in referring to Paul throughout as "the passenger". That's actually a nifty reflection of TSA's philosophy of treating fliers equally badly so long as they're treated equally. We're all random passengers, none of us any more or less a security risk than anyone else. If someone flying in from Saudi Arabia has to submit to a patdown because he set off the scanner, than darn it, a U.S. senator on his way to speak at a rally on the Mall has to submit too. (The perfect cover story for a hijacking plot.) One of these days Janet Napolitano is going to get detained in a TSA snafu and then at last we’ll have achieved the perfect security-theater clusterfark.

Contrary to Carney’s talking points, Paul says he was in fact detained:

“If you’re told you can’t leave, does that count as detention?” Paul asked.

“I tried to leave the cubicle to speak to one of the TSA people and I was barked at: ‘Do not leave the cubicle!’ So, that, to me sounds like I’m being asked not to leave the cubicle. It sounds a little bit like I’m being detained.”…

“But, they’re wasting time, I think, by doing this. Instead of targeting people who meet a risk profile for terrorism, what they’re doing is they’re just doing these random things. But, I think it’s a waste of time and it’s insulting to put people through a body pat down when they have not shown any risk.”

He offered to go back through the scanner to prove that the “anomaly” that showed up the first time wasn’t really there, which TSA finally agreed to — after two hours of arguing. Ah well: If you support creating a “trusted traveler” program, this screw-up is the best PR you’ll ever have short of, say, Oprah getting arrested for trying to carry shampoo on in an overhead bag. (I know, I know, Oprah doesn’t fly commercial.) Exit question: Is detaining Rand Paul while on his way to Washington unconstitutional?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: randpaul; randpauldetained; tsa

1 posted on 01/23/2012 6:13:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Shoot, Paul should have walked off, and then when they came to grab him let them know the law, and if they insisted then when back at Congress started a bill to impeach the bastards.


2 posted on 01/23/2012 6:17:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He offered to go back through the scanner to prove that the “anomaly” that showed up the first time wasn’t really there, which TSA finally agreed to — after two hours of arguing.

I'm sure the two hours of jacking a US Senator around made their day, week, and month.

Paul should have pulled a "Do you know who I am?" Jon Cary deal on them. THAT would have got some action.

3 posted on 01/23/2012 6:22:53 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Paul should have walked off

They probably would have tasered him.

4 posted on 01/23/2012 6:28:03 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained. But this Administration doesn’t give a damn about the Constitution.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 6:28:25 PM PST by Haiku Guy (As soon as Romney / Is not "inevitable" / He drops like a stone)
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To: SeekAndFind

The TSA detains a US Senator en route to Washington, who has identified himself and is unarmed.

Sounds like a scene out of a movie about revolution.


6 posted on 01/23/2012 6:28:25 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: SeekAndFind

It is rare ANYWHERE to be able to get a cop in the field to admit he’s detaining you.

They simply refuse to answer the question, while continuing to refuse to permit you to leave.

Later when they write the report they say you volunteered to remain where they asked you to be.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 6:28:25 PM PST by gaijin
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To: SeekAndFind

The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained. But this Administration doesn’t give a damn about the Constitution.


8 posted on 01/23/2012 6:28:59 PM PST by Haiku Guy (As soon as Romney / Is not "inevitable" / He drops like a stone)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s Rand’s bad luck he isn’t Muslim like his father.


9 posted on 01/23/2012 6:32:46 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: FlyingEagle
There's a really good reason here for REQUIRING US Senators to be armed while traveling by air.

It's to defend themselves from TSA geeks!

Or, maybe have them accompanied by a Marine Corps fire team.

10 posted on 01/23/2012 6:35:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
Welcome to the USSA, comrades.

What else do you expect to happen, after we elected a communist traitor mole?


11 posted on 01/23/2012 6:58:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: gaijin
It is rare ANYWHERE to be able to get a cop in the field to admit he’s detaining you. They simply refuse to answer the question, while continuing to refuse to permit you to leave.

Or to put it in more real life terms 'Am I under arrest?' - 'DO YOU WANT TO BE UNDER ARREST?'

12 posted on 01/23/2012 6:59:45 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Haiku Guy
The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained. But this Administration doesn’t give a damn about the Constitution.

Indeed.

They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same;
Art. I, Sec. 6, Constitution for the United States.

But they've already said it was a Non-detention detention, and I guess they could say it was breach of the peace. I'd have liked to have been a fly in the wall.. Say all those places are under video surveillance, he should subpena the video and then release it on his Senate Website. :)

13 posted on 01/23/2012 7:04:32 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Haiku Guy
The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained. But this Administration doesn’t give a damn about the Constitution.

Indeed.

They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same;
Art. I, Sec. 6, Constitution for the United States.

But they've already said it was a Non-detention detention, and I guess they could say it was breach of the peace. I'd have liked to have been a fly in the wall.. Say all those places are under video surveillance, he should subpena the video and then release it on his Senate Website. :)

14 posted on 01/23/2012 7:04:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: SeekAndFind
Paul's committee assignments:

"Jan 26, 2011 WASHINGTON, D.C. -The U.S. Senate Republicans announced committee assignments for the 112thCongress today. Sen. Rand Paul received placement on four committees: Energy and Natural Resources; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Government Affairs; and Small Business."

Rand Paul IS one of the big bosses ~ a lesser one, but still with the rank.

I think TSA really hurt itself with this one.

15 posted on 01/23/2012 7:07:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

Jay Carney has a very memorable face.

I wonder how he will get along once he is forced to return to private life and no longer enjoys protection by a government good squad. I suspect that he will rapidly lose that smug attitude that he cops.

I look forward to reading about his post White House encounters with the common man that he so clearly despises.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 7:10:09 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Haiku Guy
The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained.

Yes, but what time was Rand detained? I guarantee you that congress was in Recess for at least a half hour prior to at least a half hour post the detention.

Don't believe me? Just ask the white house.

17 posted on 01/23/2012 7:11:23 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: C210N

type fix: “congress was in Recess” should be “senate was in Recess”


18 posted on 01/23/2012 7:12:31 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: nickcarraway; SeekAndFind

It’s Rand’s bad luck he isn’t Muslim like his father. You mean like Obozo’s father and Obozo also. The man is innocent, TSA is guilty. I hope somehow, some way Senator Rand Paul Breaks it off in their ass. Not because he is a Senator, but he is a American born, U.S. citizen. We all know the usual suspects are muslims and converts to Insane, I mean islam. Who else is blowing shit up???


19 posted on 01/23/2012 7:17:24 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: SeekAndFind
One of these days Janet Napolitano is going to get detained in a TSA snafu and then at last we’ll have achieved the perfect security-theater clusterfark.

Fat chance of that happening. I guarantee that she doesn't fly on a commercial carrier.

20 posted on 01/23/2012 7:29:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Haiku Guy

“The Contitution requires that a Member of Congress not be detained. But this Administration doesn’t give a damn about the Constitution.”

I was very surprised that Paul seemed to turn this into a “citizens rights” issue, when he is actually much MORE than a citizen, he is an elected member of the legislative branch, and, to be more specific, MY elected official.

There was, and is, a damn good reason for that paragraph in the Constitution. And, in fact, he WAS delayed and missed some of his duties in his role an elected official. That, it seems, is more than enough.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 7:46:29 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: kingu

“It is rare ANYWHERE to be able to get a cop in the field to admit he’s detaining you. They simply refuse to answer the question, while continuing to refuse to permit you to leave.”

Or to put it in more real life terms ‘Am I under arrest?’ - ‘DO YOU WANT TO BE UNDER ARREST?’

The clock starts ticking when you ask that question. Judges take a very dim view of any time spent with that question unanswered. Of course, with you being tasered and injured while “resisting arrest”, that won’t do you any actual good.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 7:51:11 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems to me that The good Senator should have Mr Carney put on the NO-FLY List, then start hearings on the TSA defunding and abolition.


23 posted on 01/23/2012 7:52:34 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: SeekAndFind

The last time I went through a full body scanner, I was asked to raise my right arm as I exited and the TSA agent peaked into my shirt sleeve. He then told me I was done with the scan.


24 posted on 01/23/2012 9:09:08 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: FlyingEagle

“The TSA detains a US Senator en route to Washington, who has identified himself and is unarmed”

And the uproar over it is less than overwhelming. There is a reason the Constitution states that legislators cannot be detained coming or going from the Capital. Think about it. If somebody who shall remain nameless decided to declare himself president for life. He might just want to keep the legislators from getting to the floor of Congress to pass a resolution to stop him.

I think Rand Paul is making a big mistake by not making a huge stink out of this and the GOP leadership should be doing the same thing. In fact all 100 senators should be screaming bloody murder over it. But they are not which tells you how far advanced our police state really is.


25 posted on 01/23/2012 9:22:36 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do you have any comment to make on what you’ve posted, or have you read the article?


26 posted on 01/24/2012 5:28:34 AM PST by IbJensen (Demint for President, Paul for Treasury Secretary, Apaio For AG)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
From Rand Paul Claims Rigged Machine May Have Led To Airport Ordeal

"Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) says his ordeal with the TSA Monday will result in him submitting a formal request into whether or not the scanners used at airports lie to trigger random pat downs. "...............................
27 posted on 01/24/2012 9:19:05 AM PST by Girlene
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