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Debate Winner: Mitch Daniels [So Says Weekly Standard Editor, Bill Kristol]
Weekly Standard ^ | January 23, 2012 | WILLIAM KRISTOL

Posted on 01/23/2012 9:27:41 PM PST by Steelfish

Debate Winner: Mitch Daniels JAN 23, 2012

BY WILLIAM KRISTOL

I’ve got to think Monday night’s debate further swelled the groundswell of support for Mitch Daniels. The liveliest part of the debate was at the beginning, when Mitt went after Newt—and Republicans all over America watched with fascinated horror at the thought that these are the two GOP frontrunners.

The only spectacle in American politics more off-putting than Newt Gingrich in self-righteous defense mode is Mitt Romney in self-righteous attack mode. I thought Mitt’s attacks were somewhat more dishonest than Newt’s defenses were disingenuous, but it was good to move on to the rest of the debate, where little further damage was done.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billkrystol; flaprimary; kristol; mitchdaniels; newt; rinocoup; romney
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1 posted on 01/23/2012 9:27:48 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

“I’ve got to think Monday night’s debate further swelled the groundswell of support for Mitch Daniels.”

Um....groundswell? Really? Where?


2 posted on 01/23/2012 9:30:27 PM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Steelfish

yep, Mitch will be so much better than Santorum and even better than Newt.


3 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:17 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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...and Republicans all over America watched with fascinated horror at the thought that these are the two GOP frontrunners.

William you just pulled that one out of your ass!

4 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:21 PM PST by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: Steelfish

Mitch Daniels?

Inane.


5 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:33 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: Grunthor
Um....groundswell? Really? Where?

In the mind of Kristol.

6 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:33 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Steelfish

Lol, what? I barely know who Mitch Daniels is, aside from him being some establishment hack.


7 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:44 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Grunthor

You read my mind. “Groundswell,” only in Kristol’s mind


8 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:44 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Now we have the smartest people in the room making a mess of things... sheesh...


9 posted on 01/23/2012 9:32:57 PM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Steelfish
As I posted on the Twit----Oh Pluueezzzz..The wet dream of the Pubbie elites has to answer to his wife or the country-who do you think will win that 1?
10 posted on 01/23/2012 9:33:23 PM PST by hatfieldmccoy (It's not racism..... it's probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: Steelfish

The most damaging moment from tonight’s debate wasn’t the flurry of accusations by Romney against Gingrich, but the moment when Gingrich explained that the $1.6 million was the payment to the full company, and his pay was only about $35,000 a year. He then turned it around and asked Romney if all the millions that Bain Capital grossed when he ran it went into his pocket, and Romney snapped back, “That’s irrelevant.” Well, no, it isn’t. That was exactly the point they were talking about. It made it sound as if the guy who’s claiming he should be President because of his vast business experience doesn’t know the difference between gross and net. Romney’s answer was so obviously bad, the audience audibly laughed at it.

It’s one thing when part of the audience boos or doesn’t applaud you. That could happen to anyone expressing a strong opinion. But you’re in deep doo-doo when they start laughing at you.


11 posted on 01/23/2012 9:35:06 PM PST by HHFi
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To: Steelfish

Mitch Daniels? Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4T3tMkjRig


12 posted on 01/23/2012 9:35:06 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: Steelfish

And again, the establishment pundits don’t have a clue.

Newt may not be pretty, but like Andrew Jackson, he’s a bull with a message, and Americans are listening.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 9:35:16 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Steelfish
WILLIAM KRISTOL

Hey, go check out that web site Mitch has up-Join my cause to have a brokered convention. I think he has 1,400 names signed up last night. Big Ground swell. Okay.

14 posted on 01/23/2012 9:35:34 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: Steelfish

Yeah, if by Mitch Daniels you mean Sarah Palin.


15 posted on 01/23/2012 9:35:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: HHFi
He then turned it around and asked Romney if all the millions that Bain Capital grossed when he ran it went into his pocket, and Romney snapped back, “That’s irrelevant.”

When that happened my wife said "I thought Romney knew what he was talking about when it came to business stuff. Even I know the answer to that!"

16 posted on 01/23/2012 9:37:37 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes


17 posted on 01/23/2012 9:39:08 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Steelfish

Mitch Daniels, where do you stand on the Iran issue? Just a minute,let me check with my wife.


18 posted on 01/23/2012 9:39:56 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Steelfish
Oh, now isn't this convenient! Wow, what a surprise; an establishment media type just happens to have an epiphany that some moderate, go along, to get along RINO type like Mitch Daniels is the winner in tonight's debate. Sorry, but this is cute by half! We see right through this Bull Shite! Trying to pull a switch-a-roo from Mittens to Mitch!

Here's a clue for you Bill “I'm Constipated” Krystal; you and the rest of the establishment types can stick Mitch Daniels, and any other squishy, moderate type straight up your arses...how about that?

The days of the establishment shoving worthless RINOs down our throats is over. We've deemed you irrelevant!

19 posted on 01/23/2012 9:40:06 PM PST by Artcore
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To: HHFi
—> a year. He then turned it around and asked Romney if all the millions that Bain Capital grossed when he ran it went into his pocket, and Romney snapped back, “That’s irrelevant

I was so ticked that Williams would not let them both continue on that subject. Romney only likes regulations when he can make profits or to dance around it. I don't like him. Not because he seem desperate today; he comes across as a fake and fishy businessman.

20 posted on 01/23/2012 9:42:00 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: Grunthor

“Um....groundswell? Really? Where?”

Hey idiot, didn’t you hear the audience chanting MITCH, MITCH, MITCH, all night?

....hmmm, neither did I.

What Trust-Fund Child is really saying is that The ESTABLISHMENT has given up on Romney and now wants Daniels to try to stop us Tea Party animals from taking over.

What I didn’t see in Trust-Fund’s column was any mention of the drug-dealing ring that was run out of Daniels’ apartment while he was in college (which caused him to get arrested). It was a BIG-TIME operation...yet Mitch knew nothing about it? Yea, right.

If Newt is carrying around a lot of baggage, Daniels is carrying around a semi-truck.


21 posted on 01/23/2012 9:42:49 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: txzman

yes! Well, it sounds like Newt did well tonight?? I was not able to hear it.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 9:44:25 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: HHFi

Well gee that will certainly address the $16T debt that will crush the country. Hey I feel better—let’s call it a day and head for the bar......


23 posted on 01/23/2012 9:44:34 PM PST by hatfieldmccoy (It's not racism..... it's probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: Steelfish
MITCH DANIELS '12
CATCH THE WAVE

24 posted on 01/23/2012 9:45:27 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Steelfish

A GOP elitist throwing Romney under the bus. The writing’s on the wall for Mittens now....


25 posted on 01/23/2012 9:45:56 PM PST by kevao
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To: BobL

fun.


26 posted on 01/23/2012 9:45:56 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Steelfish

There’s no groundswell for Daniels outside of the same corridor that shoved Mitt Romney on the world. But I do agree with the disenchantment over these two as frontrunners. If FR wishes to support one of them I’ll respect the site’s wishes. But the reason I gave my first vote in a presidential election to a long shot Republican by the name of Bob Dole is because Clinton and the lengths people went to defend him solely because he suited their poltical needs disgusted me. Character matters and neither of these two or Obama has it.


27 posted on 01/23/2012 9:51:11 PM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: Steelfish

More importantly when is Kristol going to have his Inappropriate Smiling Syndrome problem corrected?


28 posted on 01/23/2012 9:52:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Steelfish

Kristol makes Ann Coulter’s rant seem sane


29 posted on 01/23/2012 9:54:20 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Steelfish

For the last time...

Mitch won’t run, due to the skeletons in his closet.
He would, however, make a helluva good Sec of Commerce, Treasury, or OMB director.


30 posted on 01/23/2012 9:56:19 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Steelfish

That’s Jack Daniels yuh drunk!


31 posted on 01/23/2012 9:58:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Steelfish

A ground swell for another RINO who wants to have a “truce” on social issues? Not hardly.


32 posted on 01/23/2012 9:58:57 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: tcrlaf

Isn’t he the one whose pants wearing wife said no way to his running?


33 posted on 01/23/2012 9:59:27 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Steelfish
I’ve got to think Monday night’s debate further swelled the groundswell of support for Mitch Daniels.

No one except inside the beltway dopes like Kristol are excited by this milquetoast cuckold. Unfortunately for Bill, Mitch's wife makes all the decisions and she doesn't want her OMB hack to play in the big leagues.

34 posted on 01/23/2012 10:00:35 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Steelfish

What happened? Kristol used to be a huge Mittens homer. Is he in love with new RINO now?


35 posted on 01/23/2012 10:00:49 PM PST by GR_Jr. (ABR / AB0 (Anybody but Romney / Anybody but 0bama))
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To: Steelfish

Bill Crystal has lost his mind. They tried to float Mitch in the beginning and the response was tepid at best. He’s about as exciting as watching paint dry.

The GOP establishment is so afraid of someone being elected who will actually attempt to restore the consititutional republic they will do anything to stop it.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 10:05:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Steelfish

FUBK


37 posted on 01/23/2012 10:07:12 PM PST by matthew fuller (Mitt is not a used car salesman- he's an aborted fetus salesman! http://www.stopstericycle.com/)
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To: Steelfish

The clear winner tonight was Rick Perry.


38 posted on 01/23/2012 10:07:37 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Grunthor

They can forget it; there will be no brokered convention. Either Newt or RINO-Rom will be the GOP nominee; not Mitch Daniels or anyone else.


39 posted on 01/23/2012 10:09:14 PM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: Steelfish

The little smiley faced Bill Kristol obviously is in the anybody but Newt camp just like the rest of the elitist RINO stooges.


40 posted on 01/23/2012 10:11:11 PM PST by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: txzman
"Newt may not be pretty"

Winston Churchill wasn't pretty, either.

41 posted on 01/23/2012 10:11:16 PM PST by matthew fuller (Mitt is not a used car salesman- he's an aborted fetus salesman! http://www.stopstericycle.com/)
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To: skeeter

“More importantly when is Kristol going to have his Inappropriate Smiling Syndrome problem corrected?”

I think they are waiting for a personality donor so they can do the transplant.


42 posted on 01/23/2012 10:11:46 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: Soul Seeker

I agree with Kristol. We are 8-months into this process and it was disheartening to watch those two clowns toss insults at each other for the first 20-minutes of the debate.

I really would like a different choice. I don’t care if it is Daniels, Rubio, Ryan, etc. I just want an adult to step up. Heck, even senor Rick Perry is looking much better at the moment.


43 posted on 01/23/2012 10:12:41 PM PST by SteveAustin
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To: Steelfish
Isn't RINO Mitch too busy trying to increase taxes via the Marketplace Fairness Act to run?

Via HotAir on 1/21/2012:

"Indiana government officials and the nation’s largest online retailer have reached an agreement to begin collecting Indiana sales tax on Internet purchases.

Indiana will become the fourth state to reach such an agreement with Amazon.com, but Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) said he wants federal legislation to address the online sales tax issue.

“The only complete answer to this problem is a federal solution that treats all retailers and all states the same,” said Daniels in a statement.

44 posted on 01/23/2012 10:17:19 PM PST by kara2008
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To: bigbob

Kristol makes Ann Coulter’s rant seem sane
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Ummmmm...... I don’t think so. Ann Coulter was on Bill O’Reilly tonight where she reemphasized that she is an enthusiastic “Romney supporter”. First she pushed the RINO from NJ, Chris Christie. When he decided not to run and endorsed Romney, she got on board. I remember when she was a Conservative; the RINO-b**ch.


45 posted on 01/23/2012 10:21:34 PM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: fabian
yes! Well, it sounds like Newt did well tonight?? I was not able to hear it.

Not really, more like a tie. Romney just threw accusation after accusation at Newt at the beginning who could not get an answer out before Mitt threw another, and then was cut off by Williams going to a commercial. Toward the end he did better when given time to answer, especially the last question as to how difficult it will be to turn the country around from where we are now headed. Sobering.

Interesting that the NBC spin team agreed that Newt sounded and acted more presidential than Romney, mainly because he held back and did not anger or was bombastic. Overall a yawner of a debate.

46 posted on 01/23/2012 10:21:56 PM PST by CedarDave (Donna Brazile: "... we we believe that the weakest candidate ... [is] Mitt Romney.")
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To: HHFi

“It’s one thing when part of the audience boos or doesn’t applaud you. That could happen to anyone expressing a strong opinion. But you’re in deep doo-doo when they start laughing at you.”

Your post is a great observation! I hope many, many others caught that exchange as well. ALSO interesting (and I hope Newt uses it next time) is the large investments Mitt’s made in Fannie and Freddie and his profits from them!


47 posted on 01/23/2012 10:23:36 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: FReepers

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Thanks, pardner

48 posted on 01/23/2012 10:25:19 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: fabian

One thing you — and everyone who watched the debate — missed was any mention by Brian Williams of Barak Obama. You might not think it possible, but tonight NBC held a two-hour presidential debate in which not one single question ever made reference to the incumbent president.


49 posted on 01/23/2012 10:25:37 PM PST by kevao
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To: SteveAustin

For people who knew what the “insults” meant— since they were not insults, they were attempts to establish facts in a debate— not the same thing. No ad hominem occurred. And romney came off looking like the tool of a once good venture firm that charges big bucks to say the obvious. Bain advised obama on obamacare— now there’s a fact worth knowing.

Kristol has no idea what he is talking about. Editor of a truly nothing circulation beltway bandit publication of govt. sponge companies (reminds me of the era of shabby Lincoln had to deal with of govt. grafters). Kristol the son of a communist “convert”. No clue, McCain man. Facts stick around, and pointing them out for real fact checkers is not being insulting, it is pointing out what obama will do to romney (and newt too). Somewhere else on FR there is a pdf link to mcains oppo research on romney. Quite something. McCain is a snake for obama- a sad hostage of marxists.


50 posted on 01/23/2012 10:27:05 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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