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Hmm, you can't prosecute someone for forgetting something. It's easy to forget a seldom used passphrase as I know from personal experience.
1 posted on 01/24/2012 12:06:10 AM PST by LibWhacker
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You don’t have a right to prevent the government from spying on you.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 12:08:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Sounds like the Brits and King George have come back after two hundred odd years. “Into the hoosegow until you remember where you put that key!”


3 posted on 01/24/2012 12:10:45 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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well, what are they gonna do if you decline to comply? torture the passwords out of you?


6 posted on 01/24/2012 12:16:30 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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simple solution: 2 passwords

one to unlock... one to wipe

seriously though, so much for not incriminating yourself


10 posted on 01/24/2012 12:25:58 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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Fricosu doesn’t sound in particular like any angel, but this sounds like overkill in this case. She submitted forged documents — who cares if she made them on the laptop or farmed it out to China? Nail her on the forged documents she submitted.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 12:30:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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This will lead to the development of phoney "frying" passwords.

The cops take your laptop, you give them a password.

Instead of the real data getting decrypted, it either gets scrambled or rendered innocuous.

13 posted on 01/24/2012 12:44:38 AM PST by SlargTarg
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Siege heil!

Jawol, comrade, you MUST comply!

‘F any court that rules against our clearly elucidated constitutional rights.
The tendency to support LE even when they are WRONG is NOT conservative, it is short sighted, and smacks of cowardice.

I thought Gov. Org. already forced the PGP programmers to give them a master key?


19 posted on 01/24/2012 12:47:54 AM PST by Loyal Sedition
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Here is a business idea.

Someone sets up a company called Foreign Encryption Services (FES) in a foreign country like Russia, out of reach of the US courts. Anyone who wants to avoid turning their data over just needs to sign a license to FES that will exclusively and completely and irrevocably sell all of the content of their hard drives, clouds, phones, personal computers etc etc to FES. For $20 a month, FES will lease access to that content and the drives/cloud/phone etc back to you, encrypted. FES will provide you a key only if you certify that you are not facing any civil or criminal penalty. If you should be indicted, or sued, or compelled in any way by any court to turn over data, you are in violation of our agreement and FES will cease to provide you encryption keys and block your access to the data.

So even if the court compelled you, you couldn’t do it because 1) it isn’t yours (it belongs to FES) and 2) to give it would be to force a breach of contract with FES and 3) you don’t have they key to unlock it even if you did own it and didn’t face civil penalties for turning it over.

I sure don’t want to create ideas that will help criminals and pedophiles, and I understand the need for law and order, but in this day and age where data and ideas can be licensed, where stuff can be stored remotely and accessed remotely etc, the court is behind the times. This can be prevented by those who want to prevent it.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 12:56:40 AM PST by monkeyshine
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Interesting issue that, depending on how it is handled, can end up having a real impact on freedoms. Especially as the world as we know it continues to become more and more digitized. For instance, if you have sensitive material stored in the Cloud, can you limit access to it from a legal perspective?

Another interesting thing about this case is just how far encryption technology has advanced (as in, advanced in what is available to ordinary citizens and not just military cyphers working on cryptography). There used to be a time that having a 'password' meant nothing, and for the vast majority of people that still applies. However, nowadays it is possible to get a proper encryption program that can make it very difficult for someone to access your files (they can still do so, but it would be quite the task for the vast majority of entities that would be seeking to do so). Hence this case.

I wonder if some FReeper knows how far the technology available to the public has gone. With more and more information being stored in the Cloud one can expect such technology to get better.

26 posted on 01/24/2012 1:22:17 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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If you own a safe, do you have to provide the combination for it to the government if they demand it?

If you don’t provide it can they legally put you in jail as a result. This is no different.

If past law doesn’t allow forcing the combination out of you by threat of jail then this will fail in the supreme court because it is no different.


27 posted on 01/24/2012 1:23:51 AM PST by DB
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If they find 20 pounds of cocaine in someones house and find their computer, does the drugs found become enough of a reason to compel giving up your password to find out your connections and other information?
To me this is like in the old days finding a loan sharks book of coded numbers.
They could with a warrant break your door in.
Maybe after evidence is found they can get a warrant and force giving up the code before having it broken into by specialists.

I think it is more about severe crime versus non crimes for me in this issue.

29 posted on 01/24/2012 1:30:59 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The solution: using TrueCrypt or any similar program, encrypt the entire drive, and then (still using the encryption program) create a “hidden” encrypted volume on the drive for things you don’t want just anyone to find. “Decrypting” merely means you have given the “key” to the processor so it can interpret the encrypted data on the drive. The drive is not suddenly readable to all. The “hidden” volume will look the same as empty space on the drive. Since it is indistinguishable from empty space, there is no way for the government to prove you have anything hidden on the drive.

This should, in theory, work. However, there is always the possibility that the government holds “back doors” to the publicly available encryption algorithms that will allow them to detect any double-encrypted files. Also, this will not guard against them “unwinding” the encryption, though whether that would reveal any hidden volumes might be debatable.


30 posted on 01/24/2012 1:37:41 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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What’s worse is that this isn’t some lib activist judge. This guy was appointed by W.


32 posted on 01/24/2012 1:49:28 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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Extensive list of countries and their crypto laws:

http://rechten.uvt.nl/koops/cryptolaw/


34 posted on 01/24/2012 1:53:52 AM PST by expat1000
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We need the format button called decrypt.


40 posted on 01/24/2012 2:23:29 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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Although none of us have anything to hide, there is no need to “at the least”, leave your deleted files available for anyone to bring back to life. As some of you know, deleted files go to your recycle bin to be permanently deleted at a future time unless you delete by using the “shift+delete method that bypasses the recycle bin. None of these files are ever really deleted, but sent to your free space on the drive. Most drives anymore have hundreds of gigabytes of free space at any given time leaving all your deleted files in tact for recovery.
ANSWER - Glary Utilities Free Edition - This program wipes your free space clean and should be run often, as it not only cleans up your past, but your puter will run faster when these Junk Deleted files go bye bye. Directions: Download “Glary Utilities” - Link included below from cnet. Open program and choose File Shredder - then choose “Wipe Free Space” and let ‘er rip. :-)
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43 posted on 01/24/2012 2:34:08 AM PST by Chance Hart
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Gee, let's see: Face contempt of court which what, get's you a short stay in the pokey, or hand over incriminating evidence to the Feebs which could land you in the big house for years?

Duh! Decisions, decisions!

BTW, I think this judge is dead wrong.

44 posted on 01/24/2012 2:37:54 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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This chaps my hide!

Plausible deniability is your friend.

You can use the possibility of surveillance to position “facts” that when discovered protect you.

A word to the wise......


46 posted on 01/24/2012 2:52:13 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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I’ll tell them the truth...I dont know how the darn thing works.

(I do however have 3 boys, without whom I would be using an abacus)


56 posted on 01/24/2012 3:52:31 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Ping for later.


60 posted on 01/24/2012 4:14:52 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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