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Who Won the Florida NBC GOP Debate? Newt Gingrich First, Ron Paul Second, Mitt Romney Last
PolicyMic ^ | 24 Jan 12 | Chris Miles

Posted on 01/24/2012 5:55:37 AM PST by xzins

Are we watching the meltdown of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney?

Fending off pointed attacks by fellow GOP candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum ... Romney looked ...flustered, stiff, and at times just babbled

In comparison, Gingrich looked like he still had all the momentum from Saturday’s South Carolina primary win. He calmly answered questions ...(snip)

The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions, ...

...After his 12-point South Carolina win, Gingrich has surged ahead in the Florida polls, leading 41% to the former Massachusetts governor's 32%.

Still, Romney does expected to win Florida. Almost 200,000 absentee ballots have already been cast in the state... favor Romney. ...

But as Gingrich showed ... debate very much matters.

One point Gingrich hammered Romney on was his tax rate. Gingrich forced Romney to announce that he will release his tax records on Tuesday. ...He reaps millions of dollars a year from his former work at Bain Capital, though, maintains a low tax bracket. Gingrich in comparison pays a 31% tax rate.

Romney blasted Gingrich for his work at mortgage giant Freddie Mac, but ignored his own financial links to the organization.

...snip...Romney, though, had as much as $500,000 invested in Freddie Mac. All GOP candidates have blamed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for contributing to the housing crisis that helped to drag the nation into the Great Recession.

Ahead of next week’s Florida primary, Gingrich looks like he is gaining incredible steam. Romney — shell-shocked ...— looks like he’s out of answers.

And it might be a two-man race soon. In Florida, Rick Santorum is currently polling 11% ...

Monday’s debate turned out to be the slug fest most pundits thought it would be, with Gingrich the last man standing.

(Excerpt) Read more at policymic.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; election; gingrich; romneytruthfile; sc2012
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1 posted on 01/24/2012 5:55:44 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

here’s the money quote

“Romney, though, had as much as $500,000 invested in Freddie Mac”

ROFL


2 posted on 01/24/2012 5:59:00 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: xzins

Obama won.
He’s President, and no one bothered to mention him hardly.


3 posted on 01/24/2012 5:59:54 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: xzins
The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions

I'm not surprised. The mainstream media reporters are a bunch of chihuahuas who are not used to people who bite back. They're not going to take the risk until they figure out how to do it and make Newt look bad instead of embarrassing themselves.

4 posted on 01/24/2012 6:02:53 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
If the rat media ever went after Obama with even 1/10 of the vitriol they use on conservatives, Obama would be left a quivering mass of goo.
5 posted on 01/24/2012 6:03:10 AM PST by JPG (Matters at which the foolish laugh and at whose consequences the prudent weep.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I agree that Obama did not directly come up.

However, since Romney is Obama-lite, Obama was right in the thick of it.


6 posted on 01/24/2012 6:05:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

I have viewed each debate as “the big dog with the little dogs nipping at his heals”.

Normally it’s been Romney as the big dog and all the others as nipping at him.

Last night was as significant change, Newt was the big dog and the others nipping at his heals.

I believe it’s much more effective when talking about what the candidate WOULD do, not like Santorium: I did, I did, I did......

It is certainly getting interesting!!!

GO REPUBS!

PS: can anyone tell me (as I’ve missed it) did Santorium actually sandbag Michele Bachman in Iowa and what happened?


7 posted on 01/24/2012 6:06:47 AM PST by conservativesister
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To: TexasFreeper2009

In addition to Romney’s personal 500,000, I wonder how much Bain had invested in Freddie/Fannie?


8 posted on 01/24/2012 6:07:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions, ... .

This proves somewhat that objecting to the premises of silly and inconsequential debate questions cowers the questioners themselves.

No one wanted to tee Newt up last night.

9 posted on 01/24/2012 6:07:47 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: xzins

I don’t agree Romney babbled, but I think he tired out. On the last question about conservatism he seemed to be falling asleep. I credit Brian Williams for inducing narcolepsy.


10 posted on 01/24/2012 6:12:19 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: xzins
Romney 8.0 , the ultra unconservative and RNME's Obama minime,
utterly FAILED in the debate and came off quite small,
petty and nasty.

Rumor is that RNME and Soros are assembling a Romney 9.0.



11 posted on 01/24/2012 6:12:43 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins

I’m solidly in the Newtist camp but he struck out last night.

He’s in FL for heaven’s sake, doesn’t he know that many older voters — and many ARE older — don’t use computers? They just watch the tv. Referring them to his website is worse than useless. He had the audience right there, that was the time to answer the question and trounce Romney for saying “resigned in disgrace” over and over and over again. :(

Many younger voters too, insofar as they bother to vote, are too busy to check out his website and explore the tedious cuneiform records of the 1990’s.

Nobody, but nobody, tuned in to obtain a link to a website.

And what answers he gave on the spot were spotty.


12 posted on 01/24/2012 6:13:16 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: conservativesister

Newt was the poll leader last night, so all were nipping at him. I thought his calm answers were superb. I thought his deflection of terribly complicated issues of ethics charges and his speakership was right on target.

It simply isn’t possible to explain 7 dozen partisan charges in one sound bite, other than to say that Romney lies and here’s the documentation at Newt.org.

The moderators intentionally took the crowd out of the debate, so I think being the good debater he is, Newt evaluated the situation and answered differently than he would have had he been able to get a crowd boost.

That’s the sign of an experienced debater.


13 posted on 01/24/2012 6:13:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
The debate last night was the perfect example of why you can't win on defense. Newt may not have run the table the way we have become accustomed to, but because Mitt scored no points a field goal was enough for the win. Romney had nothing. His answers were scripted and uninspired. He was like a Disney robot going the motions of a campaign.
14 posted on 01/24/2012 6:15:55 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Lady Lucky

I disagree, LL. I think he did exactly what needed to be done.

There were some 7 dozen charges, and it’s impossible to deal with all that in one sound bite EXCEPT to say that Romney lies, which he said, and here’s the truth of a complicated subject at newt.org

If he had tried to get down in the weeds on those multitude of charges, it would have been impossible in a 60 second soundbite. He handled it correctly.


15 posted on 01/24/2012 6:17:40 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Williams

Romney accomplished his mission. He put the words “resigned in disgrace” in people’s heads.

Gingrich did nothing to remove it. “Resigned in disgrace” is not a label you can flick off your sleeve.


16 posted on 01/24/2012 6:17:51 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: xzins
To the charge of "resigned in disgrace," Newt pleaded nolo contendere -- and we all know how that flies.
17 posted on 01/24/2012 6:20:08 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: xzins

It was a dud. The audience was asleep because it was an anticlimax to the SC debate. I hope the next one is better.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 6:20:53 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yeah, Brian Williams did a GREAT job of making sure the debate was about personal attacks, and not the issues. He sprinkled two or three issue questions in there, but generally, just let Romney and Gingrich spar.


19 posted on 01/24/2012 6:21:21 AM PST by cincinnati65 (We've been taken for a ride - by Wall Street and Washington DC - Welcome to Amerika!)
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To: Lady Lucky

Again, I disagree.

“Resigned in disgrace” is obviously not so, since Newt Gingrich is standing there the winner of the S Carolina debate.

He did not resign in disgrace, he resigned as part of political gamesmanship and a group of near-sighted republicans.

Now, is it best to get in the weeds defending your speakership, or is it best to deflect it and respond via education?

I choose the latter in THIS case.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 6:23:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: GonzoGOP
He was like a Disney robot going the motions of a campaign.

Speaking of robots, R2D2 has more of a likeability factor than Mitt.

21 posted on 01/24/2012 6:24:14 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Earthdweller
It was a dud. The audience was asleep

A lot of that was intentional. Newt used a prevent defense, scored some himself, and deflected any passes by his opponents.

I think it Newt won by his opponents not winning.

22 posted on 01/24/2012 6:26:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Lady Lucky

If this charge came from someone with any degree of credibility, it might have more effect. But coming from Romney, it will have no effect whatever. It won’t slow Newt down or deflect him from his course, and it is unlikely to change anyone’s mind.

On the other hand it does make Romney look even smaller and pettier than before, if that’s possible. I didn’t see the debate but I have seen Romney leveling charges at Newt in other recent fora, and he looks like a ninth grade weenie who has been turned down for a date by a girl who is going out with his best friend instead.

IOW, like a loser with a big “L” tattooed on his forehead.


23 posted on 01/24/2012 6:28:31 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: xzins

What I noticed about the debate is that there were four people present, but only two were given full opportunity to participate. Of those two, I saw a lot of sniping and very little substance.


24 posted on 01/24/2012 6:29:15 AM PST by daisy mae for the usa
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To: xzins
Romney looked particularly sweaty last night. He is just so smarmy.
25 posted on 01/24/2012 6:29:15 AM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: MissMagnolia
Speaking of robots, R2D2 has more of a likeability factor than Mitt.

I liked R2D2. He was cute, fixed thins, always had the right tool on hand, and was useful in emergencies. Mitt Romney is C3P0. Talks too much, says too little of value, panics in an emergency and you applaud when he is ripped to bits.
26 posted on 01/24/2012 6:30:44 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: xzins

The morning takeaway from the anti-Newt crowd seems to be that unlike Carolina, he couldn’t generate enough red meat to evoke applause from the audience.

Of course, they fail to mention the audience was told several times they would be removed if they responded to the candidates.


27 posted on 01/24/2012 6:31:00 AM PST by Paraclete
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To: Lady Lucky
Romney accomplished his mission. He put the words “resigned in disgrace” in people’s heads. Gingrich did nothing to remove it.

There's much time to counter that jab. Like maybe how come Romney isn't still governor of Mass? Don't misunderestimate Newt. He's in the zone right now.

28 posted on 01/24/2012 6:32:27 AM PST by McGruff (Newter Romney!)
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To: Earthdweller

The point of this debate was to try to get Newt angry after unloading all the dirt on him. Angry Newt would just scare the folks.


29 posted on 01/24/2012 6:32:42 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You can thank the stupid moderator for that. What I saw wasn't even a debate, it was stupid questions and cat fights.

Very poorly run, which is I am sure what NBC wanted so that no one could watch the thing.

And telling the audience that they can't react? What kind of audience agrees that a couple of media interns get to dictate their reaction?

Suckfest all the way around.

30 posted on 01/24/2012 6:33:45 AM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: Lady Lucky
-- "Resigned in disgrace" is not a label you can flick off your sleeve. --

Newt has another debate to remedy the deficiency that you see. Romney, however, failed to name names while Newt did (which Congressmen did Newt approach, Romney?), so Romney came off as making unsubstantiated accusations.

I agree with you that many, if not most of the viewers are ignorant. Absent being spoon fed a rebuttal, they'll have to go with their gut, if they are choosing between Romney and Newt. In other words, to those people, the facts really don't matter at all - all that matters is their impression.

31 posted on 01/24/2012 6:35:58 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: xzins

Disgrace? Newt helped bring about a republican surge for America and it continued after he was was shown the door. Hastert didn’t have newts fight or vision. Romney’s term as governor ended a long republican trend in MA, again no fight or vision.


32 posted on 01/24/2012 6:37:00 AM PST by cnsmom (csmom)
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To: teenyelliott

Yeah, I realize NBCs Brian Williams is to blame, but so is Newt and the audience for playing along with that charade. If Newt were on his game, he could have overwhelmed Williams and the crowd would have been with him.

But in fairness, no one is on their A game every day.


33 posted on 01/24/2012 6:37:18 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: xzins

Last night was as exhausting as visiting a boring old aunt who keeps the thermostat set on 90. She tells you a story about her cat that died several years ago for the tenth time as she serves you warm lemonaid in what appears to be dirty glasses.
You can’t wait to get outta there.


34 posted on 01/24/2012 6:37:18 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Lady Lucky
-- To the charge of "resigned in disgrace," Newt pleaded nolo contendere ... --

My recollection is that he briefly recounted his rationale for resigning his post; and that rationale was not one that amounts to a disgraceful reason.

35 posted on 01/24/2012 6:40:54 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: xzins

I disagree. If your opponent launches an attack on you that is impossible for you to defend against, then by definition you’ve lost. Newt needs to look back to why he lost Iowa, because he’s going down the same path.

There are two ways to answer those attacks, disprove the claims, or simply say that’s not true and then spin it around to launch a series of attacks back at Romney. There were openings to attack Romney on his governorship and on his tenure at Bain Capital to spin the focus back on him and Newt didn’t take them. “I’m going to stay positive and not attack Governor Romney” is what lost in Iowa. Newt can’t unilaterally disengage from the fight. At this point attacking Romney serves as a demonstration to the voters of how he will attack Obama and that’s what voters want to see.


36 posted on 01/24/2012 6:41:02 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: JediJones
-- Newt can't unilaterally disengage from the fight. --

He didn't disengage.

I will not chase Romney's misinformation. He just said about four things that were false and you can check on my website. This is the worst kind of trivial politics. We have an ad where Huckabee and McCain talk about how Romney can't tell the truth. ...

Wait a second, he just went on and on and on. He is a terrible historian. The vote on the ethics committee was in January 1997 and I asked the Republicans to vote YES to get it behind us. We took control of the House in 40 years and the Democrats were bitter. The only thing we did wrong was that I didn't pay one fine but then I paid it and I wanted it behind us. We had four balanced budgets after that vote. You ought to do is stop and look at those facts. We won the House for the third time in 1998 but the margin was not big enough. In 2006 when you chaired the Governor's association we lost governorship so as a party builder I have the record and you don't.


37 posted on 01/24/2012 6:45:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: xzins

You know it’s not so, I know it’s not so. For reasons I am sure I need not explain to a fellow freeper (ie, a well-informed conservative), I do not have much confidence in the political IQ of the average FL voter.

However, there’s still a week to deal with it. Romney took Newt down in the polls before and must not be given any elbow room to do it again.


38 posted on 01/24/2012 6:45:56 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: teenyelliott

Sure we’ll see some voting shenanigans in favor of Romney.


39 posted on 01/24/2012 6:46:06 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Cboldt

I’d just rather Newt had taken the charges and crammed them up Romney’s fundamental orifice.


40 posted on 01/24/2012 6:48:43 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: teenyelliott

Another thing I’ve noticed about Romney that makes me uncomfortable....he mince-steps when he walks.


41 posted on 01/24/2012 6:48:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: JediJones
There are two ways to answer those attacks, disprove the claims, or simply say that’s not true and then spin it around to launch a series of attacks back at Romney. There were openings to attack Romney on his governorship and on his tenure at Bain Capital to spin the focus back on him and Newt didn’t take them

Yes Newt did respond, he just said that the details were at Newt.org. If you recalled he very clearly said that Romney had just lied 4 times. He also attacked Romney's deficient governorship.

Everything you asked for above was done by Newt.

42 posted on 01/24/2012 6:53:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Lady Lucky
-- I'd just rather Newt had taken the charges and crammed them up Romney's fundamental orifice. --

"Romney can't tell the truth" is about the same as "You're a liar." Romney didn't rebut that charge! He just made up a few more false allegations, and faced similar knockdown. He accused Gingrich of making 1.6 million dollars, to which Gingrich asked about the gross income of Bain Capital. Romney's response was that question was irrelevant. The liar can't even frame and maintain an argument worth a darn!

43 posted on 01/24/2012 6:53:24 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Leep

Leep, By that description, I can see you have been there. Very good. Well put.


44 posted on 01/24/2012 6:53:47 AM PST by depenzz (There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by sword. The other is by debt. John Adam)
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To: xzins

—If he had tried to get down in the weeds on those multitude of charges, it would have been impossible in a 60 second soundbite. He handled it correctly.—

Correct. He is remarkably good on his feet.


45 posted on 01/24/2012 6:54:19 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: TexasFreeper2009
That and Newt pays a 31% rate compared to, I believe, Romney's 13%?

Nothing illegal about either one of their past jobs/income but Romeny sure doesn't come off looking any "cleaner" than Newt in the Freddie Mac area.

Romney just lost his attack talking points!

46 posted on 01/24/2012 6:56:09 AM PST by CAluvdubya (My preferred taglines are not in the running...)
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To: GonzoGOP

Great analogy!


47 posted on 01/24/2012 6:56:19 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Lady Lucky

If Mr. Romney brings that “resigned in disgrace” line up again, Mr. Gingrich can answer him with:

“People tell me that YOU, Governor Romney, “resigned in disgrace” from the Governorship of Massachusetts. You knew you couldn’t win reelection because your popularity had dropped to less than 40%. So you “moved on”, just as I did after Republican “big spenders” in the house formed an unholy alliance with the Democrat “big spenders”.”

“Which is more disgraceful? That my team of patriots brought the GOP to a majority position in the House? Or that your “big spending” ways nearly destroyed the Republican Party in Massachusetts?”


48 posted on 01/24/2012 6:56:47 AM PST by pfony1
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To: McGruff
There's much time to counter that jab.

No, there isn't. Voting started on Saturday. Every day the message war is lost means lost votes. You're right that Newt should've pointed out that Romney was an unpopular one-term governor who declined to run again and lost a Senate race to Ted Kennedy by 17 points. All stuff he's mentioned before. It's funny that both Mitt and Newt seem to get overconfident and perform best when they're in the underdog position, and not so good when they're coming off a win. I thought Santorum had the best answer of the night. He clearly and cleanly laid out a good argument why he would be a better contrast to Obama than the other guys.

49 posted on 01/24/2012 6:57:21 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: Paraclete
The morning takeaway from the anti-Newt crowd seems to be that unlike Carolina, he couldn’t generate enough red meat to evoke applause from the audience. Of course, they fail to mention the audience was told several times they would be removed if they responded to the candidates.

Did you see Drudge's story link???

No Ovations

Hey Drudge, could you be more misleading???

It's a tough deal when you have to fight the opposition as well as your own party.

50 posted on 01/24/2012 6:58:16 AM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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