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Who Won the Florida NBC GOP Debate? Newt Gingrich First, Ron Paul Second, Mitt Romney Last
PolicyMic ^ | 24 Jan 12 | Chris Miles

Posted on 01/24/2012 5:55:37 AM PST by xzins

Are we watching the meltdown of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney?

Fending off pointed attacks by fellow GOP candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum ... Romney looked ...flustered, stiff, and at times just babbled

In comparison, Gingrich looked like he still had all the momentum from Saturday’s South Carolina primary win. He calmly answered questions ...(snip)

The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions, ...

...After his 12-point South Carolina win, Gingrich has surged ahead in the Florida polls, leading 41% to the former Massachusetts governor's 32%.

Still, Romney does expected to win Florida. Almost 200,000 absentee ballots have already been cast in the state... favor Romney. ...

But as Gingrich showed ... debate very much matters.

One point Gingrich hammered Romney on was his tax rate. Gingrich forced Romney to announce that he will release his tax records on Tuesday. ...He reaps millions of dollars a year from his former work at Bain Capital, though, maintains a low tax bracket. Gingrich in comparison pays a 31% tax rate.

Romney blasted Gingrich for his work at mortgage giant Freddie Mac, but ignored his own financial links to the organization.

...snip...Romney, though, had as much as $500,000 invested in Freddie Mac. All GOP candidates have blamed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for contributing to the housing crisis that helped to drag the nation into the Great Recession.

Ahead of next week’s Florida primary, Gingrich looks like he is gaining incredible steam. Romney — shell-shocked ...— looks like he’s out of answers.

And it might be a two-man race soon. In Florida, Rick Santorum is currently polling 11% ...

Monday’s debate turned out to be the slug fest most pundits thought it would be, with Gingrich the last man standing.

(Excerpt) Read more at policymic.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; election; gingrich; romneytruthfile; sc2012
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To: Leep

Sounds like you have an aunt you don’t like very much. LOL


51 posted on 01/24/2012 6:58:32 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: Lady Lucky

I do agree with you about the knowledge of the average voter. I’ve watched too many who didn’t know their current vice president when shown a picture.

However, those voters are purely poll driven when not yet involved in the election. So, with Newt up, then they go with the guy at the top.

Even in terms of Romney’s so-called advantage with absentee voters and early voting, Newt was up about the same time that voting began. I don’t think it’s a given that Florida absentees are going for Romney.

The only news at all about Romney the past 2 weeks has been about how badly he’s been doing and how well Gingrich has been doing.


52 posted on 01/24/2012 6:58:37 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

Resignations seem to be something Sarah and Newt have in common....Sometimes it’s better to walk away from a loaded unfair fight, and be alive to fight another day.

Retreat, Reconnect and Reload


53 posted on 01/24/2012 6:59:33 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Lady Lucky

Hadn’t thought about that, LL.
Good point.

We should contact the Newt people when stuff like this happens. I’ll try to put this on the Contact Us email section on Newt.org.


54 posted on 01/24/2012 7:07:27 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: hoosiermama

Excellent point, hoosiermama. The unfair lawsuits against Palin would have bankrupted her, and there was no relief in Alaska law. She had to pay for them and not the state.

In Gingrich’s case, the deck was stacked given that the moderate republicans had joined with the liberals to attack their Speaker...one of their own.

I believe this group was led by Boehner and others. And we all know that Boehner is a pure, immovable fiscal conservative. /sarcasm


55 posted on 01/24/2012 7:07:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: teenyelliott
Hey Drudge, could you be more misleading???

Yes, he can and has. Drudge = Coulter, they are a team and are out to destroy Newt. It was sickening on O'Reilly last night when O'Reilly told Coulter there was nothing new in the ABC ex-wife interview, and then Coulter claimed they had to bring it up in the debate because it was "on Drudge" and therefore was a big story. (barf)

56 posted on 01/24/2012 7:07:44 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"And we're going to serve notice on future debates, we won't tolerate it. We're just not going to allow that to happen. That's wrong. The media doesn't control free speech. People ought to be allowed to applaud if they want to. It was almost silly."

YEAH! Newt quote form Fox and Friends this morning.

57 posted on 01/24/2012 7:09:33 AM PST by teenyelliott (Obama warned if he loses the election it could herald a new, painful era of self-reliance)
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To: Pollster1

The biggest surprise in the debate: Gingrich was not asked about his personal transgressions, ...
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I thought that was funny.

After seeing the ass whipping Newt gave in the last debate, no one wanted to face that.LOL


58 posted on 01/24/2012 7:11:03 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cboldt; Lady Lucky
Newt gave the website address with information so the MSM would pick it up. If they don't he will point their deficiency out at the next debate.

So far they are pointing out that Willard has 500,000 invested in F & F and that one of his bundlers was a lobbyist for F&F.....Better coming from the media then Newt having to appear defensive.

59 posted on 01/24/2012 7:11:37 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: pfony1

I’d like to know how Romney got IN the governor’s mansion in Massachusetts!
Last night I went around the web looking for something firm on the subject of Romney’s residence. There’s talk of him using a basement mailing address in MA for voting purposes, talk of a difference between tax return residence and voter registration residence...talk of him spending a great deal of time in CA where he bought a residence...likewise a residence in NH...and talk of not having met the residency requirement for the governorship...talk about — well, talk about nailing jello to the wall.


60 posted on 01/24/2012 7:11:40 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Paraclete
they fail to mention the audience was told several times they would be removed if they responded to the candidates.

I didn't know that and it explains why it was so quiet. Whose is the control freak?

61 posted on 01/24/2012 7:13:50 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Lady Lucky

I am an older voter and I spend a lot of time on the computer, Much of it right here.

I would bet that many here in Free Republic are retired and spending a lot of time here.


62 posted on 01/24/2012 7:15:09 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cboldt
Romney came off as making unsubstantiated accusations.

True. He was spewing so furiously, I thought he was doing an impression of an Irish Setter on a car roof.

63 posted on 01/24/2012 7:17:10 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Lady Lucky

You miss the point. My Father is 82 and is a computer nerd. Dont classify most retired as computer bafoons.

Most people that dont have computers and dont understand the issues are not watching the debates either.


64 posted on 01/24/2012 7:17:33 AM PST by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: xzins

The debate was not available to watch in many areas. I would not worry
to much about this debate 1/2 the population could not watch. I live in
CA.(unfortunately) and I could not get the debate. Tried like the dickens
to get it on several different sites with no luck. My information came from
following all of your posts (by the way thank-you all). As far as this debate
was concerned very few sheeple saw it!!!!!


65 posted on 01/24/2012 7:17:44 AM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Baseballguy

Kindly refrain from attempting to put words in my fingers. I didn’t call the retired “bafoons” of any sort, computer or otherwise.


66 posted on 01/24/2012 7:20:11 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Kit cat

republican debates

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/


67 posted on 01/24/2012 7:21:03 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: xzins
And it might be a two-man race soon. In Florida, Rick Santorum is currently polling 11% ...

I suspect since the majority of the public focus

68 posted on 01/24/2012 7:21:35 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: xzins
And it might be a two-man race soon. In Florida, Rick Santorum is currently polling 11% ...

I suspect since the majority of the public focus on the dueling Mitt/Newt causes a similar focus on undecideds - with Mitt/Newt in mind, they choose between the two, leaving Santorum in the dust. Should be good for Newt.

69 posted on 01/24/2012 7:22:59 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: C210N

Newt would be wise to get with Santorum. I’ve always also liked Santorum, so I would be happy to see him as a VP selection or in some cabinet position.


70 posted on 01/24/2012 7:28:03 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Lady Lucky
-- He was spewing so furiously, I thought he was doing an impression of an Irish Setter on a car roof. --

At 70 MPH. One false or misleading accusation after another.

I have no idea how much of the viewing audience caught the details of Newt's rebuttal; or even the "You're a liar" gist of Newt's rebuttal. But if Romney thinks last night was the end of it, as in getting the last word in, he's mistaken. Romney's investments with Fannie Mae will come out, and so he too benefited from bad government policy of bailout.

Not that my gut feeling on election politics is reliable - Lord knows my history on that is negative - but my sense is that Romney is going to take another beating, this time in the FL primary. HE has no up-side potential. It's all down hill from here. It'll be Romney trying to recover from being a disgrace; and Newt will move on to discuss how his policies will benefit the nation, should he obtain the presidency.

71 posted on 01/24/2012 7:28:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TexasFreeper2009

here’s the money quote

“Still, Romney does expected to win Florida”


72 posted on 01/24/2012 7:33:47 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: xzins

Agree with you... just like Newt made similarly good moves with Sarah and Bolton (well, at the time it was... but since, John has gone awry).


73 posted on 01/24/2012 7:38:16 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: Cboldt

Indeed, Romney may get bruised in FL and he really can’t afford to lose any more of his chrome.

Post-debate I heard commentators discussing his deficiencies in a way that indicated the scales have begun to fall from their eyes. Mr. Thirty Percent is looking less inevitable by the minute. But Newt must continue to shoot and stake the zombie until the Sunshine State comes through.


74 posted on 01/24/2012 7:41:39 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Cboldt

There was a crawler on FOX during the debate about his 500,000 investment in F &F

This AM information about a staff member or the like being a lobbyist for F&F has hit the internet....just a matter of time until it gets bigger.

IIRC It was Stalin who said: “Acuse others of what you are doing yourself”


75 posted on 01/24/2012 7:43:39 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Leep
Last night was as exhausting as visiting a boring old aunt who keeps the thermostat set on 90. She tells you a story about her cat that died several years ago for the tenth time as she serves you warm lemonaid in what appears to be dirty glasses. You can’t wait to get outta there.

CORRECT.

I'm laughing so hard at the truth in this, that I've got to go and shower.

76 posted on 01/24/2012 7:44:45 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: teenyelliott

Problem is that the presidential debates always have the rule that the audience can’t make any noise. It’s probably better that they get practice working under that rule now.


77 posted on 01/24/2012 7:45:51 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: GonzoGOP
"Mitt Romney is C3P0. Talks too much, says too little of value, panics in an emergency and you applaud when he is ripped to bits."

That's funny ...and true at the same time.

78 posted on 01/24/2012 7:46:03 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: xzins

[Still, Romney does expected to win Florida. Almost 200,000 absentee ballots have already been cast in the state... favor Romney. ...]

Bull Crap! The absentee ballots account for only 10% of the expected turnout, which is guaranteed to be very much a near record, if not a record. Many were also cast for Newt.

There will be such a landslide of voters for Newt that all the Romney tricks in the book won’t matter. Newt will smoke him like a cheap power strip.


79 posted on 01/24/2012 7:52:26 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Baseballguy; Lady Lucky
Most people that dont have computers and dont understand the issues are not watching the debates either.

Excellent point !

80 posted on 01/24/2012 8:01:05 AM PST by tomkat (+1 for the white-haired smart guy)
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To: xzins

Last night on his show the Great One, Mark Levin explained all those 80+ false charges against Newt

he and/or his law firm were involved so he has first hand knowledge..


81 posted on 01/24/2012 8:01:23 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I agree. Also iirc, the ballots just started going out. If so, they are going out over the last week or so when Newt was high in the polls and Romney nosediving. And then there’s the S Carolina victory of Newt.

So, I wouldn’t bet that the absentees are lopsided in favor of Romney.


82 posted on 01/24/2012 8:02:00 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Cboldt
My recollection is that he briefly recounted his rationale for resigning his post; and that rationale was not one that amounts to a disgraceful reason.

Loss of confidence in his ability as Speaker (he was poorly slotted there, anyway -- he needed to be throwing grenades, not doing deals). Clinton had roughed him and Dole up on the 1995 government shutdown (when they almost got him to sign their budget, until Tommy Dasschole got Beastwoman to help him break up that outburst of cooperativeness and get nasty instead), Slick had got reelected President, and then he had almost slipped the noose of impeachment by spiking up the black vote 60% in the 1998 by-election, which almost cost the GOP the House, and which the GOP leadership absolutely did not see coming.

If they'd lost the House, there'd have been no impeachment trial -- which was what Clinton was after, and barely missed. Newt, Dick Armey, and Tom Delay should have seen that attempt coming (as someone should have seen Clinton's field-testing "pre-campaign" in summer 1995 coming, which paved the way to his 1996 total win over Bob Dole), and the fact that they didn't showed that the House leadership was falling down and being consistently outmaneuvered by the Clinton machine. With the help of Chinese intelligence (and probably KGB Active Measures, whatever was left of it, when you think about it), so that the fair assessment of GOP leadership back then will have to await the book that elucidates our recent history of Soviet, Chinese, and other outside manipulation of the American political process and government.

83 posted on 01/24/2012 8:03:56 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: teenyelliott

Ron Paul got several moments of applause. Were his peeps forcibly removed?


84 posted on 01/24/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Tennessee Nana

Can you summarize what Levin said? Thanks, TN.


85 posted on 01/24/2012 8:06:27 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: pfony1

I’ll tell you what is “disgraceful”

That Bain during the time Romney was there was involved in the production of porn movies...

Romney claims that he didnt invest any of his own money

but his company did

so Romney and Bain benefitted from the sale of porn

also another porn interprise that Romney endorsed

For years he has been paid by Marriott hotels to be on their board..

Marriott has in room pay-to-view porn movies..


86 posted on 01/24/2012 8:06:34 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ari-freedom
The point of this debate was to try to get Newt angry after unloading all the dirt on him. Angry Newt would just scare the folks.

Very good point, thanks.

Brian Williams has a go at throwing the election? Hmm. Wouldn't be the first time -- remembering Hatey Katie and her Palin interview.

87 posted on 01/24/2012 8:07:12 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Tennessee Nana

Is that information posted on the net anywhere? A transcript perhaps. Rather be able to read and copy it than listen to it.

Newt does not have to become defensive (which is what Romney is trying to set up) if others come out and fight for him....Hope it continues.....Don’t take the bait Newt....Keep Kool


88 posted on 01/24/2012 8:09:50 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: xzins
Fending off pointed attacks by fellow GOP candidates Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum ... Romney looked ...flustered, stiff, and at times just babbled

Before the debate I saw an interview with Romney where he appeared to be almost foaming at the mouth. Newt has him rattled and it showed in last night's debate.

89 posted on 01/24/2012 8:11:48 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Lady Lucky

You know I never even remembered that tacky thought of Romney’s until I just read it here.


90 posted on 01/24/2012 8:11:48 AM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: 6ppc

In one of the posts above, Romney is described as C3PO, the anxious, foppish, mechanical, over-solicitous robot on Star Wars.


91 posted on 01/24/2012 8:17:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

Mark spent a while on it

In essence he said that the ethics charges should never have been bought against Newt in the first place..

he explained that all of the charges were frivolous but they had to work on each one..

Mark got to read all the documents..

As you know Mark is fair and extremely intelligent...

a practicing attorney..

so he knows what he is talking about..

I think it was during the 2nd hour 7-8PM

I was listening online and I closed out the radio page shortly after 8 because the debate was coming up..

You should go to his website and listen to that piece for yourself..


92 posted on 01/24/2012 8:17:51 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Leep

LOL LEEP!!!!!


93 posted on 01/24/2012 8:19:04 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: Cboldt

I didn’t mean he disengaged on every answer, but there was one where he said he didn’t want to attack Romney and another where he said to go look for answers on his web site. Those were the answers I was most worried about. He should have mentioned Romney’s tenure as governor which ranked 47th in job creation and he was too unpopular to run again, the fact that many companies went bankrupt under Romney at Bain, or that he lost the Senate to Kennedy by 17 points.

Romney has this whole package of negative soundbites on Newt he’s repeating over and over until they’re drummed in people’s heads and that’s the kind of stuff Newt has to fire back with. The “governor’s association” attack was weak since most of us don’t know what a “governor’s association” is. Plus the stuff I mentioned above just makes Romney sound worse.


94 posted on 01/24/2012 8:23:07 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: Lady Lucky

and many ARE older — don’t use computers? .......................... LOL LOL!!! You obviously don’t know the seniors down here. My son is out the door to fix a mid 80’s guy’s computer. I’m a senior and we have 3 computers going here. Almost all of the seniors here have email addresses. Go to the senior centers and hear the conversations about what they saw on their computers. After all, it was the seniors that brought the computers into existence. ;^)


95 posted on 01/24/2012 8:27:37 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO YOU ELECT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT!)
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To: JediJones
It was comical, since the first channel I watched this morning was FOX and their comments about the debate were that Newt did poorly, looked tired, etc,,, and that Romney looked good, debated well, won the debate, blah, blah, blah.

Now I see the actual results, have listened to Newt, and see for myself that Newt clearly won again, especially in the context of his best statement, that this debate was focused on “Trivial Politics”, when the nation is falling apart, the economy is failing, the Middle East is a real threat, and all the MSM can obsess over is 15 year old personal issues and these ridiculous Freddie Mac accusations.

Little does the FAUX Snooze network realize, that Newt was once again, hitting deeply on the real issues again, with all the voters listening to the debate. Newts numbers should go even more solidly into 40% as well as increase, in spite of FOX claiming that Romney would gain, as well as Snot Boy, Rick Santorum.

96 posted on 01/24/2012 8:32:26 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: JediJones

The repetition of a single idea is called a meme. Alinsky methods gives instructions on how to use false memes to your benefit. Newt is well aware of the Alinsky method. He has a plan to turn in back on Mitt.

(Remember his mention of Alinsky last week, this week he openly told Mitt he knew what he was up to and it wouldn’t work.....The Kaboom is coming!)


97 posted on 01/24/2012 8:33:38 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: GonzoGOP

[ I liked R2D2. He was cute, fixed thins, always had the right tool on hand, and was useful in emergencies. Mitt Romney is C3P0. Talks too much, says too little of value, panics in an emergency and you applaud when he is ripped to bits. ]

Yeah, with Chewbacca in the white house, who is our Luke Skywalker and Han Solo?

I already know Darth Vader is George Soros, And Glenn Beck can do a decent Yoda Impression....


98 posted on 01/24/2012 8:41:57 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I’m glad to hear it, but unconvinced they’re in the majority. Maybe you could look it up if you care to. :)


99 posted on 01/24/2012 8:43:33 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Venturer
The idea that the older generation hasn't been able to stay engaged is simply laughable. My mother will be 85 in February. She didn't turn on a computer until a little over five hears ago. Although she doesn't "surf the web" she is a part of what I call "an old fart network" that blast emails several internet news articles between each other each and every day.

Sorta funny because I think she believes she has a scoop every time she sends her children something...

100 posted on 01/24/2012 8:45:58 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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