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How to Deport 10-20 Million Illegal Aliens (Self-Deportation)
humanevents.com ^ | 05/18/2006 | Ian de Silva

Posted on 01/24/2012 10:50:32 AM PST by VU4G10

For those who doubt that a strict enforcement regime will induce self-repatriation, consider what happened in the wake of the Special Registration program set up after 9/11. Under that program, foreigners from some countries were told they must register with the nearest immigration office or risk certain deportation if caught. Among Pakistanis, for instance, about 1,500 who were here illegally (on expired visas etc.) were caught and deported. Word spread. Before long, some 15,000 illegal Pakistanis hightailed out of the country on their own. They knew that formal deportation would decapitate their ability to obtain a visa in the future.

Needless to say, if illegal Pakistanis could self-repatriate to far-away Pakistan, it makes no sense to say that illegal Mexicans could not self-repatriate to next-door Mexico. The lesson here is that when you enforce the law against a thousand illegal aliens, word spreads, and 10,000 others begin packing their bags on their own.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; deportation; invasion

1 posted on 01/24/2012 10:50:38 AM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10
And six years later, here we still are.

A REAL e-verify program, with actual work-site enforcement, will solve this serious problem. You don't even have to arrest and deport the illegals you catch (that's a logistical nightmare), just fine the employer $2,000 the first time around and $5,000 there after, for each illegal they employ.

Dry up those jobs and the illegals will deport themselves.

Instead of trying to end birth-right citizenship (which we SHOULD do, but it'll take quite a while) just don't give the parents a work visa.

Nothing could be easier.

2 posted on 01/24/2012 11:09:57 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: VU4G10

What happened to our Alien Registration Law? Why not require all aliens-—legal and illegal to register or face immediate deportation if detected?


3 posted on 01/24/2012 11:10:58 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: VU4G10

Tell all Red Necks that an Illegal Alien helped kill Dale Earhardt and put a “No Bag” Limit on ‘em and WATCH ‘em RUN back accros the border!


4 posted on 01/24/2012 11:14:01 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: VU4G10

It really isn’t that difficult to deter most foreign nationals from living here illegally if you just impose a few dis-incentives.

1. Show proof that you were born here with a valid BC in order to obtain a passport, driver’s license, stat id card, or a voter registration card. Also require proof of id when voting.

2. Eliminate ALL forms of welfare, aid, and government handouts to illegal aliens.

3. Make it easy for police departments to check on citizenship status or visa status when an individual is stopped for a violation.

Those three suggestions would drive a good majority back to their own countries of origin.


5 posted on 01/24/2012 11:15:04 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes, that would do it.


6 posted on 01/24/2012 11:17:10 AM PST by SuzyQue (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: South Hawthorne

Someone put Obama through E-Verify and he didn’t pass.

Obama Informed of ‘E-Verify’ Notice of Mismatch
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2785764/posts


7 posted on 01/24/2012 11:17:54 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: VU4G10
THEYWILLCOME
8 posted on 01/24/2012 11:19:04 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: All
It could work, if the "ESTABLISHMENT" wanted to take care of the problem... but THEY DON'T WANT TO!!!... get it?"

ID cards, and hefty penalties for companies who brake the rules WOULD DO THE TRICK. A year later (until RESULTS can be verified), the creation of a viable "work program" for foreigners who want to take advantage of it. (i.e a Time limit, say 4 years, only on the jobs that Americans "don't want to do," maintain a clean record, LEARN ENGLISH... or only take those who know English already, etc, etc, etc

YES, IT COULD BE DONE... but the "Establishment" does not want to do it... and they are the ones who buy the politicians... and you DO know, about POLITICIANS, don't you?... :)

Lastly, do you see why we should TIME LIMIT these crooks???? (congress/senate).. if two terms is good for the president of the U.S. why could not the same rule apply to the other crooks?... why not?

9 posted on 01/24/2012 11:25:08 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: South Hawthorne

It’s not going to happen because our legislatures on all levels are whores of whoever pays for their (re)election campaigns. And that largely means lawyers and businesspeople, including those who profit off of illegals.

The sources of bribes were public information before the creation of Superpacs. The Big Money corruption has gone fully underground, now. The rest remains in public view.


10 posted on 01/24/2012 11:26:08 AM PST by warchild9
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To: South Hawthorne

An E-verify that checks SSN against IRS home / work address requirement for all employees. A six month implementation for business to give them time to change processes and record their documentation. Then a INS / IRS cooperation to ensure that each W4 is accompanied by an E-verify confirmation / case number. Then a final 6 months to resolve any descrepancy case numbers.

That gives you 18 months of implementation and enforcement. AFter that, start hitting businesses with tax adjustments based upon failure to comply. Set up a whistle blower number where individuals can report in on e-verify cheats and receive a portion of the penalty as a reward for their whistle blowing.

24 months after the start of this plan, you will make it very difficult for any businss to hire an illegal alien. Only under the table type work will be possible. This will drive a lot of workers out of the country and self deportation will start to happen. Further, word will spread and it will reduce the number that come here in the first place.

For illegals that are here but are arrested for non-violent crimes, have an option for them to work 2 years in a hard labor camp making compressed earth blocks that will be used to build the wall(s) for the southern boarder. Alternatively, teach them how to lay bricks and work on building the wall itself. Give the option of working hard and earning X number of points and then they can be deported to their country of origin. Points will be given for brick production, transportaion, laying, support services such as cooking, laundry etc. Points will be taken away for fighting and other rules infractions.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 11:31:26 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It worked in Alabama, until activist Obama administration folks started interfering. All of the poor illegal children scared to go to school for fear of deportation. Not sure what the status of that in Alabama is, come to think of it. Unemployment numbers went down dramatically, but we barely heard a whisper of it. Go Bama, roll Tide


12 posted on 01/24/2012 11:33:32 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: warchild9

“.....our legislatures on all levels are whores of whoever pays for their (re)election campaigns.”

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And that’s why TERM LIMITS is the perfect solution against the corruption in our government.


13 posted on 01/24/2012 11:35:21 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: South Hawthorne

With all due respect, the heck with a fine. I’d put some real teeth in e-verify, levying fines and jail time to law-breaking employers.


14 posted on 01/24/2012 11:39:03 AM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: momincombatboots

If we are ever able to get a real conservative elected as POTUS as well as having a conservative Congress elected it shouldn’t take much to get it implemented nationally. The laws are pretty much all there but its a matter of enforcing them that is the problem.


15 posted on 01/24/2012 11:39:33 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Oldexpat
What happened to our Alien Registration Law? Why not require all aliens-—legal and illegal to register or face immediate deportation if detected?

You ask a well-intentioned by naive question. Were anyone to try to enforce it, then Funny Ears Obama and SuperNegro Eric Holder would swoop down upon you and start investigations of you at all levels, Then they would demand every document and record you have ever written. Then they would begin snipping at you in the press, going so far as to imply that you are also guilty of corruption, and make certain the press is present when those boxes of documents are carried out into federal vans. Then they would hole little public meetings with the press present, with a corrupt U.S. Attorney's office representative asking questions of you.

How do I know this? This is all exactly what has happened to our Sheriff Joe after he announced that his office would be enforcing the laws regarding finding and handing over illegal aliens for deportation.
16 posted on 01/24/2012 11:40:13 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: 353FMG

The reason term limits won’t work here is the same reason they didn’t work in ancient Rome. (Many of their offices did have limits of terms of various sorts.)

Representatives of the people there saw each office as a stepping-stone to greater office, and better opportunities for power and money. So, a tribune of the plebs, for instance, would step up to the office of censor, or somesuch, with their eye eventually on Senator—and Consul, if they’re really ambitious.

The potential progression here is easy to see: Representative, Senator or Governor, President...then “lobbyist,” which is the office of an insider who hands out bribes to the rest.

The system is broken beyond repair. We plebs just have to accept this.

/By the way, the single lesson history teaches is that nothing changes, because people don’t change. We are the same self-absorbed, ignorant, sports-addled fools as the Romans of the late Republic. And another set will replace us long after this nation is gone to dust.


17 posted on 01/24/2012 11:48:38 AM PST by warchild9
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To: Oldexpat
In the ‘60s there used to be public service announcements on TV reminding aliens to register every year.
18 posted on 01/24/2012 11:55:14 AM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: warchild9
Very interesting point, but I am bit more optimistic. WHY? It's called the INTERNET!.

There was no Internet in Rome or until very recently. We can now band together, compare notes and take action if needed.

Before we were at the mercy of the MSM!... and all the lefty intellectuals... and we just followed but now it's a bit different, don't you think?

19 posted on 01/24/2012 12:03:33 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: ElPatriota

I agree completely about the Internet. I really can’t understand why the Big Money let this cat out of the bag, so to speak.

However, for every aware and awakened citizen who bothers to educate themselves, there are fifty whose principal concerns are televised sports and what toys they can buy next.

Similar proportions doom nations, regardless of the availability of information.

To paraphrase Agent K in “Men In Black”...”individuals can be extraordinary, but people are dumb herd animals.” There are fewer true statements.

/please note that I’m optimistic in the long run for mankind. Every nation buildt is an improvement on the last.


20 posted on 01/24/2012 12:12:49 PM PST by warchild9
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To: ElPatriota

buildt = built

This borrowed laptop is driving me crazy!


21 posted on 01/24/2012 12:13:46 PM PST by warchild9
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To: taxcontrol
You only lost me at the hard labor part, and not because I hadn't once advocated the same thing.

There's two problems: One is that it's going to be hard enough with liberals getting all dewy eyed at the prospect of their dusky hued pets being sent home without forced labor.

Two: A surprisingly large amount of them are women that have children, what are we going to do with them?

If I were King of America, your plan is pretty close to what I'd implement, but for political expediency, I'd just let them deport themselves when they can't find a job.

22 posted on 01/24/2012 12:37:49 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: South Hawthorne

As for issue #1 - yeah that is the Dems. Can’t help you with that one. Perhaps “hard labor” is the wrong term. My thought was a camp where people were required to work in order to earn their way out and back to their own country.

As for #2 - there are substantial number of support activities required to support a labor camp. The general rule of thumb is that there is a requirement for five times the number of actual productive workers to fill support roles. Barraks have to be cleaned and maintained, clothes and laundry has to be washed, food can be grown to feed the population, meals have to be cooked, daycare for the little ones, etc.

That is why the point system. Adjust the points so that the least liked jobs get more points but every job gets some points for their work effort.


23 posted on 01/24/2012 12:55:14 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: ElPatriota

Speaking of learning English...

“...decapitate their ability to obtain a visa...”

It’s embarrassing.


24 posted on 01/24/2012 1:20:40 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: VU4G10
One cannot argue for a WOT while keeping a open border. The borders should have been militarized on 9/11.
25 posted on 01/24/2012 1:22:38 PM PST by Theoria (Vada a bordo, cazzo!)
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To: Oldexpat

What happened to our Alien Registration Law? Why not require all aliens-—legal and illegal to register or face immediate deportation if detected?


Your handle is Oldexpat, so you’re probably at least as old as me. So do you remember the adverts that were all over the three networks every December?

“Aliens! Register now. All aliens must register by (I forget the date) at your local Post Office.” Accompanied by a primitive cartoon of a “resident alien” handing a card in at the P.O. window..

Oh, yeah — let me add: That’s RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyysist!!!


26 posted on 01/24/2012 2:19:23 PM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: dsc
(Sorry for the long post, but it is for everyone out there. I am sure many feel this way)

...“...decapitate their ability to obtain a visa...”...

Agree. You know... I am not what you call a super educated person (w Masters and PHds and the rest), but stupid, I am not. I always suspected there was a reason why the US did not want to control the borders... I was naive at one time, I actually thought that people, Americans, Corporations, sure wanted MONEY like every one else, but NOT at the expense of the "Country." Now I learned that business themselves pushed the last Bush to give Amnesty to illegals... They don't want the BORDER FIXED!... I guess the want the slave labor. But i don't understand how Republicans themselves, do not want to fix the problem and that surprised me!... Especially now that all those job who the illegals did, are gone!... We don't have them even for our own poor people... so why do we want more unskilled labor?

I can understand the DEMS wanting amnesty for illegals...VOTES...Millions of eventual "Democratic" votes... when their children or illegals become American Citizens as many will I am sure.

But what is in it for the Republicans? Do you know?

For instance, i don't believe for one second the US is not "capable" of guarding our borders - Because they are so "vast" as some people want to makes us believe! - With all the technology we have... This should not be a problem. we could use walls/fences where needed, electronics, air surveillance... whatever, just for protection's sake, never mind about the illegals crossing it.

I have never, ever blamed the "illegals" (I have known several of them....all they want to do is work!). I BLAME those interests who want them here but don't want their profiles known

I hope PEOPLE wake up some day and if nothing else, be more aware of the games, politicians play with us. etc etc etc...

Bottom line, this COULD BE FIXED, but some one does not want to do it... The real question, at least in mi mind is, when will the average, regular people catch on to this game politicians and corporations play and begin to ask/demand a SOLUTION to this problem?

Hopefully NEWT will at try to address this problem in the right way, but the idea of taking "All the illegals putting in a train and taking then to the border.." is simply... ridiculous... Many of them will stay here, I guarantee it... but if at least we fixed the problem ONCE AND FOR ALL, then it would be worthwhile.

AND THEN, we should be vigilant and make sure this country protects their borders and control immigration with very tough penalties for businesses or people who brake the rules. But we should expect the US to protect our borders. We have the right to choose whom we want here. Period.

27 posted on 01/24/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: VU4G10

You know that this article is simply a veiled attack on Governor Perry, who’s had a decade to pass some of these measures, but just wasn’t up to it.

So, please, no more Perry attacks, he’s already dropped out.


28 posted on 01/24/2012 2:53:00 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: VU4G10

That’s the ticket. Come here legally or don’t come at all.


29 posted on 01/24/2012 3:40:02 PM PST by veracious
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To: ElPatriota

“For instance, i don’t believe for one second the US is not “capable” of guarding our borders”

I agree that the demonrats see every border crasher as another vote for evil, and *also* that many business owners and managers want the cheap labor they represent.

About that:

1. We have to bear constantly in mind the fact that “Republican” is not the same thing as “conservative.”

2. People who should never be in charge of anything are in charge of practically *everything,* and that seems to include a lot of businesses.


30 posted on 01/24/2012 4:22:19 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: warchild9

“By the way, the single lesson history teaches is that nothing changes, because people don’t change.”

I’m not sure it’s that simple.

It’s worth noting that Rome declined twice but only fell once.

The first time a leader arose and dragged them back from the brink.


31 posted on 01/24/2012 4:27:43 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Caesar built a dictatorship on the ruins of a republic.

That’s building, not rebuilding, and hardly an improvement.

In the long run, we’re improving, but it seems eggs have to be broken along the way, if I can borrow a metaphor.


32 posted on 01/25/2012 12:07:20 PM PST by warchild9
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To: warchild9

>The system is broken beyond repair.<

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I’m afraid that you’re right. That’s why there is very little distinction between the PUBS and the RATS and, at times, voting appears to be meaningless.

The only winners in the game will be the elites in government and the muzzies. When the muzzies take over, the elites hightail it to their villas overseas and deny they were ever Americans.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 1:20:30 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

The Center for Responsive Politics just released a report estimating $6,000,000,000 will be spent on all the elections in the US this year.

Like these people aren’t going to expect something in return for six billion dollars? On what planet?


34 posted on 01/25/2012 2:57:59 PM PST by warchild9
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It really isn't that difficult to make two million dollars. First, get one million dollars. Then...
35 posted on 01/25/2012 6:12:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

LOL! I’ve heard that same thing before from somebody else!


36 posted on 01/25/2012 6:27:26 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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