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Atty Says School Threatened, Punished Boy Who Opposed Gay Adoption
FoxNews ^ | 1/24/12 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 01/24/2012 1:27:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants

A 15-year-old Wisconsin boy who wrote an op-ed opposing gay adoptions was censored, threatened with suspension and called ignorant by the superintendent of the Shawano School District, according to an attorney representing the child.

Mathew Staver, the founder of the Liberty Counsel, sent a letter to Superintendent Todd Carlson demanding an apology for “Its unconstitutional and irrational censorship and humiliation” of Brandon Wegner.

Wegner, a student at Shawano High School, was asked to write an op-ed for the school newspaper about whether gays should be allowed to adopt. Wegner, who is a Christian, wrote in opposition. Another student wrote in favor of allowing gays to adopt.

Wegner used Bible passages to defend his argument, including Scripture that called homosexuality a sin.

After the op-ed was published, a gay couple whose child attend s the high school, complained.

The school immediately issued an apology – stating Wegner’s opinion was a “form of bullying and disrespect.”

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This really burns my butt. DARING to say that sodomy is wrong is "bullying" yet using the threat of suspension and name calling is ACCEPTABLE? GRRRRR!
1 posted on 01/24/2012 1:27:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It used to be that people like that were cordially invited to leave town...by sundown.

Guess we’re just a pack of wussies now.


2 posted on 01/24/2012 1:30:50 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

And I had to listen to an hour of idiots on Howe Carr’s program claiming that Tim Thomas’s refusal to attend the WH pr stunt was disrespectful. All the while I’m thinking, don’t you see the blatant and willful disrespect coming from the libtards towards us.. get a grip. These people deserve nothing but contempt. Howe never does have the stones to tell them to get lost. Too bad.


3 posted on 01/24/2012 1:35:15 PM PST by Track9 (The revolution IS brewing..)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“You will be punished for your bigoted opinions!” screamed Head Bigot!


5 posted on 01/24/2012 1:37:07 PM PST by Thidwick
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To: Blood of Tyrants
a gay couple whose child attend s the high school, complained.

Their child? It's biological history in the making.

But once again, we see the talk of tolerance go out the window when the gay thought police are called in.

6 posted on 01/24/2012 1:40:23 PM PST by relictele (Green energy is neither)
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To: dsc
Guess we’re just a pack of wussies now

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WUSS_EPIDEMIC

7 posted on 01/24/2012 1:40:39 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; metmom

Two words...home school.


8 posted on 01/24/2012 1:47:18 PM PST by rightly_dividing (ICor. 15:1-4)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This really burns my butt. DARING to say that sodomy is wrong is "bullying" yet using the threat of suspension and name calling is ACCEPTABLE? GRRRRR!

Don't you know? "Bullying" means opposing homosexual activism.

Using one's superior position of strength and/or power to threaten, intimidate, and humiliate someone weaker than you, as the school administrators did to this student, is something else.

See also the new definitions created by the left of "rape" (intercourse that the woman later regrets) or "racism" (opposing preferential treatment for protected races.)

9 posted on 01/24/2012 1:47:18 PM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When people are trying to hide the Truth, they have to silence all opposing opinions. That Western Civilization has condemned sodomy as a dysfunctional, vile act since Christianity became the paradigm-—to put the vile child sacrifices, pederasty and homosexuality “in the closet” so to say.

Since the radical homosexuals want to normalize the behavior they have to do it in the classroom, when the children are younger and they have “plastic minds”.

It should be illegal to teach “sodomy is a right”. It is not. It is against Natural Law—the basis of our Jurisprudence in this country. We have Natural Rights From God-—not Rights from Satan.

I would sue any school that promotes such a vile evil behavior and lies and calls it “good” and a “right”. It is a lie.

All homosexuality is about child abuse. All homosexual societies are based in Man/boy sex——the Ancient Greeks and Romans, the Samurai, today muslims esp. Afghanistan.
The behavior is learned and the schools are grooming your boys to like fecal material. The Sanduskys who lead the radical homosexual movement want the young boys.

The following is the worldview they are trying to force on the future generation. Make sure you read the comments to see what type of world these people want—they want a culture where women are treated like cattle and breeders and boys are for lust. They also had child sacrifice-—oh, ya—we returned to that already....:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rJLLV7U-XY


10 posted on 01/24/2012 1:48:26 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

so this was a point / counter point where one side is not allowed?

the school official should be fired simply for calling a student stupid period.

The homosexual with the sex partner should be exposed for destroying a child’s life.

fwiw religion should never be used in this fight because mere faith conceades logic and reason to the proponents of homosexual special rights.


11 posted on 01/24/2012 1:52:44 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s pretty obvious who the REAL bully is!!!! And it’s NOT young Mathew Staver!!!!

Why should anyone show any respect for the sodomite activists and their “human rightser” supporters, when they do everything possible to destroy our country and our entire civilization. That goes DOUBLE for Soros and the other super-rich humaniterrorists, who back not only gaysbians, but also muslims and feminazis, and who run the disastrous obama Administration.

Ordinary Americans—as well as Serbs, Israelis, Russians, and many others—are the ones being BULLIED by this conspiracy of evil. It’s time to fight back HARD!!!!


12 posted on 01/24/2012 1:54:13 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

first he is opposed to homosexuals raising children and thinks kids are better off with a mother and a father as it has been for generations.

Secondly he did the right thing as we are talking about men who love to put it in where the crap comes out of or a woman who has to wear a strap on to pretend she is a man.

Thirdly this is bullying and hate by the left yet again and their intolerance and hate are done every day and I am surprised that a network would actually post this as they usually defend this sort of crap and hate by the left


13 posted on 01/24/2012 1:57:01 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: savagesusie

well said.

There is nothing natural or normal about homosexuality no matter how many times these activists sue, or put it on the movies etc.

Good for this kid and I hope that his family now go after the school, the school board for their intolerance, hate and bigotry.


14 posted on 01/24/2012 2:00:50 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: wagglebee

Ping thought you might be interested in how the homosexuals and the left show their intolerance, their hate and their bigotry yet again towards the majority of this country.


15 posted on 01/24/2012 2:02:54 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Sue the school and sue the homosexual “couple” for instigating against the student. An apology is not enough.


16 posted on 01/24/2012 2:03:43 PM PST by goldi
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Shawano School District
218 County Road B
Shawano, Wisconsin 54166
Phone: (715)526-3194 or Todd Carlson specifically @ (715) 526-3194 ext. 8008


17 posted on 01/24/2012 2:10:27 PM PST by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

Guess this Wisconsin superintendent of schools had to do something “for the cause” other than being a Scott Walker basher like many of his colleagues in Wisconsin public education.


18 posted on 01/24/2012 2:18:36 PM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Any OPINION that varies from liberal orthodoxy must be crushed!


19 posted on 01/24/2012 2:21:32 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Teflonic
I would assume that rational people in the County will know how to vote, the next time there is a school tax levy on the ballot.

William Flax

20 posted on 01/24/2012 2:21:57 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: dsc

I thought the kid was from here in Mexifornia because starting 2012, every kid in grade-school is mandated to be taught FAG studies as per the new laws of 2012.


21 posted on 01/24/2012 2:22:30 PM PST by max americana (Buttcrack Obama is an idiot)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Another day in Obamaland....


22 posted on 01/24/2012 2:26:41 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Pushing the homofacist agenda in schools is the bullying. Allowing perverts in is the disrespect to all decent peoples.


23 posted on 01/24/2012 2:28:03 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Tzar

Once, in a time long ago, America had something called Free Speech—its gone now—destroyed by PC and the tyranny of the left. Let us hope that a day will come when no words will be outlawed and all opinions welcome.


24 posted on 01/24/2012 2:31:01 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: longtermmemmory

“fwiw religion should never be used in this fight because mere faith conceades logic and reason to the proponents of homosexual special rights.”

Semantically, I agree; “religion” should never be utilized in such a battle; my butt puckers up whenever I read or hear anyone arguing from a purely religious perspective, because religion is so very often just a thin veneer of churchishness pasted over a whole lot of ignorance.

Eschew religion in favor of righteousness, however, and you’ve got a whole ‘nother thing, entirely.

Righteous faith is no concession to either logic or reason. As such, it is not a losing proposition to show up at the OK Corral with Righteousness in the holster on your right, and Logic in the holster on your left. It’s no guarantee that there’ll be no enemies standing when the smoke clears, but the exchange will be long remembered by any that are able to leave under their own power.

One reason stories like this crop up is that folks like the School Sup. have no ammo to battle against an argument that couples Logic and Righteousness; all that’s left for them is to spew piss and vinegar; their signature cocktail. Whenever I see that happen, I know the score without anybody saying another word.

“If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that barks the loudest is the one you hit.”

Bull’s eye, Mr. Wegner.


25 posted on 01/24/2012 2:38:22 PM PST by HKMk23 (YHVH NEVER PLAYS DEFENSE)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade; manc; savagesusie; max americana; Tzimisce; SECURE AMERICA; Ohioan; ...

“...Once, in a time long ago, America had something called Free Speech...”

and “...Let us hope that a day will come when no words will be outlawed and all opinions welcome....”

We had it because men stood up and FORCED it to happen, at gunpoint.

There’s no “day coming” - you have to MAKE it happen. It doesn’t just magically appear out of the kindness of people’s hearts.

What SHOULD happen is that every single, normal married couple with children in that school should organize quietly, then pick a day and show up in front of that Superintendent’s house, and DEMAND loudly and forcefully that he come out and make a public apology to the kid, on camera, with microphones. For that matter, show up in front of EVERY school board member’s house and FORCE the issue. Stay in the public part of the street or sidewalk, not the private property.

If the media won’t support it, bring your OWN and post it out here, guerrilla media style and send it viral.

If the leftards can show up at a banker’s house like they did some months back, we should use the same tactics on them. There’s MORE of us.

And then the same thing should happen at the school board meeting - only this time DEMAND that this assclown be removed from any position of authority over your children.

You DO pay the taxes that support these assh*les after all.

DO something more than just write a letter; they don’t give a SH*T about letters of protest.

Be an ACTIVE “activist” for what you believe in, or this will just keep happening over and over again.

Stand up. You only have the rights you’re willing to fight for.


26 posted on 01/24/2012 2:52:45 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Welcome to the USSA, you hater.


27 posted on 01/24/2012 3:11:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Homosexuality is wrong.


28 posted on 01/24/2012 3:14:18 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (I)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The school immediately issued an apology – stating Wegner’s opinion was a “form of bullying and disrespect.”

Where's the ACLU? Whether I'd agree with the text of his op-ed or not, this clearly violates the student's rights. It was an op ed, by request, it was presented side-by-side with a contrary view. This tramples across three 1st amendment areas: freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.

The gay couple who complained are bigoted bullies.

29 posted on 01/24/2012 3:21:44 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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30 posted on 01/24/2012 3:29:53 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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31 posted on 01/24/2012 4:32:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

More “outcome-based education”.

This young man doesn’t exhibit the correct “outcome”, so it’s back to the classroom for more Skinnerian psy-ops.


32 posted on 01/24/2012 4:47:33 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Blood of Tyrants
In a few short years, the children in this high school will be parents themselves. When they send their kids off to their government assigned godless school, these young parents will see this homosexual indoctrination as being a normal part of “school”.

Honestly, I fear for this nation. I doubt we will survive another generation if we do not shut down the godless government schools.

If government schools aren't razed to the ground, the foundations dug up, and the ground plowed and salted, then at least we should perform an exorcism and sell the buildings to the highest bidder. Most would make good prisons.

33 posted on 01/24/2012 5:05:51 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

to Liberty Counsel: Don’t think about legal action, TAKE IT NOW. Sue the superintendent and make him take a course in the Constitution, esp. the First Amendment. Then show him the unemployment line.

Don’t talk about doing something, DO IT! Words are meaningless unless attached to action.


34 posted on 01/24/2012 5:10:09 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Waitaminnit...the student was ASKED to write an article in a point-counterpoint article. Every school newspaper I’ve ever known has a faculty advisor AND the school administration almost always has the final say so on anything that might be considered controversial. And it’s the *student* who is facing the fire from the Not-so-super Superintendent?

Leaving aside the kid’s right to his own opinion, why is he getting the guff when it was both someone else who solicited him to write the article and probably several faculty/admin types who gave it the go ahead? (Other than the fact the student isn’t a part of the teacher’s union, of course...)


35 posted on 01/24/2012 5:54:06 PM PST by DemforBush (Are you any better off than you were $6 trillion ago?)
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To: savagesusie
It should be illegal to teach “sodomy is a right”. It is not. It is against Natural Law—the basis of our Jurisprudence in this country. We have Natural Rights From God-—not Rights from Satan.

This is such a fantasticlly screwed up and conflated statement that I don't need to remark on the rest of your derivative comments.

The "natural law" that is the basis of "our Jurisprudence in this country" is the relationship between the sovereign people and their derived, dependent government, rather than the legitimacy of the people being derived from government grant. THAT is "Natural Rights."

What you Bible thumpers rarely grasp is what the Founders struggled so mightily to protect YOU from - the unintended legal consequences of your quest for religious control. Because (for example), if you take body ownership and relations away from adults and give it to state-mpowered religious authorities who present lists of acceptable behaviors, what you don't get - bu the LEFT DOES - is that it does NOT matter what is on your list. You get that? It doesn't MATTER. For tyranny to take root, the PRINCIPLE of the government seizing authority over body ownership is what matters. Form THAT you get socialism, communism, Hillarycare/Obamacare, school lockdown, TSA rapes, and everything else - and all they had to do is fire up your disgust at gays to get it!

The Left is the ENEMY. Why - did you ever ask yourself, WHY the Left always supports homosexuality? Do you actually believe it's because all Leftists are homosexual? NO! It's the PRINCIPLE of the loss of AUTONOMY they're after, so they support those you love to hate and loathe.

Homosexuals DON'T MATTER. What matters is the RELATIONSHIP between the government and the person. If you can't understand it - ask Hillary. She's VERY clear on the subject, and will gladly explain it to you, once she stops laughing her ass off.

36 posted on 01/24/2012 5:54:19 PM PST by Talisker (Apology accepted, Captain Needa.)
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To: DemforBush

The superintendent was most likely not involved in the decision, and from his/her reaction it is safe to say that they are far left on the political scale. I would be suing because the super BULLIED the student when all he did was what was asked of him.


37 posted on 01/24/2012 6:16:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: jtal

Real bullying of homosexuals occurs at bartime in most gay nightclubs.

Real bullying is the so-called tolerant left pushing an damaging agenda on vulnerable teens.


38 posted on 01/24/2012 6:25:42 PM PST by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: dsc

One example of how the homosexual agenda means the destruction of basic freedoms, such as speech.


39 posted on 01/24/2012 6:59:23 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Talisker; Admin Moderator

“What you Bible thumpers rarely grasp....”

Anti-Christian, anti-family nonsense - you speak like a left wing demoncrate or an extreme libertarian. No one is advocating a theocracy. So, your arguement is agains a straw man.


40 posted on 01/24/2012 7:12:41 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Need to turn the tables and use the old ACLU attack plan.

Sue them for civil rights violation.

Teacher individually and the school itself.


41 posted on 01/24/2012 7:20:25 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: longtermmemmory

Logic and reason conceded to homosexual “rights” proponents?
Huh??? Sodomy doesn’t mix with logic and reason anymore than it does with Biblical morality.


42 posted on 01/24/2012 8:26:47 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Isn’t policing someone’s conscience a “form of bullying and disrespect.”


43 posted on 01/25/2012 4:16:43 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Talisker

Excellent and well said.


44 posted on 01/25/2012 4:22:04 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Sola Veritas

Not so. There are plenty of Big Government Christians who would tell you how to live and think and delightedly so. It’s to your benefit.

Note that you immediately call for a Mod (FR local sheriff) in the face of a superior and every effective argument.


45 posted on 01/25/2012 4:23:48 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: savagesusie
It should be illegal to teach “sodomy is a right”. It is not. It is against Natural Law—the basis of our Jurisprudence in this country. We have Natural Rights From God-—not Rights from Satan.

Well said!

This is why America's laws referred to sodomy as "a crime against nature" and not merely "something we don't like".
46 posted on 01/25/2012 4:44:46 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Talisker

Strange argument to make when you consider the fact that the same Founders who fought against tyranny and big government also legislated against sodomy. Perhaps they didn’t understand that prohibiting “crimes against nature” violated the proper relationship between government and the people?

What they did understand - and what religiophobic “conservatives” fail to - is that the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God are inescapable. The same Natural Law that grants to mankind the rights to life, etc. and blesses nations which adhere to it, also destroys nations which rebel against it.

You think we can just pick and choose which parts of Natural Law to follow and which to reject, and still be safe from any consequences? Fighting against “socialism, communism, Hillarycare/Obamacare, school lockdown, TSA rapes, and everything else” while ignoring the wickedness running rampant is like thinking a wholesome meal will counter the effects of poison.


47 posted on 01/25/2012 5:30:50 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 1010RD; All

“Note that you immediately call for a Mod (FR local sheriff) in the face of a superior and every effective argument.”

I called for the moderator because the speaker was using left-wing (demoncat) and extreme libertarian arguments. As I understand Jim Robinson, that isn’t supposed to take place of FR. Plus, he was using the pejorative “Bible-Thumper” to describe a poster. This is NOT supposed to be a forum for bashing Bible believing Christians. The poster expressed his views based upon the Bible and was castigated for it. I normally wouldn’t enter on of these “frays” because they go nowhere fast. When the secular mindset meets the Christian one, there is going to be friction.

When a student can’t even, upon solicitation, express their Christian viewpoint in a High School newspaper in a point counter point format without it causing an uproar. Something is terribly wrong in this country.

I don’t want to “force” a person with a secular viewpoint to accept “Christianity” - that is a choice. However, I do expect them to avoid unnecessary insults (AKA Bible Thumper). They don’t belong here. His argument, about the meaning of “natural law” would have been better received without the superfluous insults intended to express disdain. Personal insults are NOT allowed here.


48 posted on 01/25/2012 5:50:10 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We used to call this FELONY EXTORTION, Why hasn’t this CRIMINAL BEEN ARRESTED???


49 posted on 01/25/2012 8:25:13 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok

It is bullying creeps like the super that make the spineless moderates bow under the mere threat of political correctness.


50 posted on 01/25/2012 1:36:40 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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