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Obama: Millionaires should pay at least 30 percent in taxes (Obama paid 25%, Mitt 13%, Buffett 10%)
msnbc ^ | 1/25/2012 | By Michael O'Brien

Posted on 01/25/2012 3:23:15 AM PST by tobyhill

People earning over $1 million per year should pay an effective tax rate of no less than 30 percent, President Obama said in his State of the Union address Tuesday night.

The president laid down one of his most political markers of the annual policy speech by crafting what he called the "Buffett Rule," named after the famous billionaire investor.

"Tax reform should follow the Buffett rule: If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes," Obama said.

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Hey Obama, send your check to the IRS.
1 posted on 01/25/2012 3:23:18 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
"Tax reform should follow the Buffett rule: If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes," Obama said.

I would pay that if I could get the favors Warren Buffett gets from you.

2 posted on 01/25/2012 3:28:53 AM PST by scooby321
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To: tobyhill

The Buffet rule:

Warren Buffett reveals his 2010 income... a paltry $62.9million (and he paid just 10% of that in tax)

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Last updated at 12:57 PM on 13th October 2011

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048535/62-9million-Warren-Buffett-reveals-2010-income.html#ixzz1kT3k4NEA


3 posted on 01/25/2012 3:29:50 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: tobyhill

“The Buffet Rule”?

wtf

Disinherit your kids and park your wealth in tax shelters to minimize your taxable income?

Hire a law firm to dispute a decade’s worth of unpaid taxes with the iRS?


4 posted on 01/25/2012 3:32:32 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: tobyhill

So if investment income, cap gains, and ordinary income are taxed at the same rate, what effect would that have on investment in the US?


5 posted on 01/25/2012 3:33:03 AM PST by Truth29
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To: tobyhill

“Hey Obama, send your check to the IRS.”

A Pox upon Obama and the Obamoids!

The correct response to the Obama “proposal” is:
Reduce the cost of government by restricting government’s actions to those originally specified in the Constitution.

When the ‘Beast of Government’ is once again chained into the carefully created limits clearly defined by the Founders, government will become the minor financial burden is was for most of our history


6 posted on 01/25/2012 3:33:43 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: tobyhill

Let’s call the bluff. Republicans in the House should propose a 30% flat tax on the wealthy ... as part of a unified tax code that counted state and local income taxes, corporate income taxes, payroll taxes, property and sales taxes, and all other assorted taxes and fees against the total. Let 30% be the ceiling in a unifed tax code.


7 posted on 01/25/2012 3:35:45 AM PST by sphinx
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To: tobyhill
Envy made the top ten list, just barely:

I spent most of my childhood wondering why, since I was not susceptible and those I knew who were tempted in that direction only had minor levels of that flaw, so that I misunderstood its damage at full force. It was only once I started interacting with liberals that I understood the full power and evil of envy. As always, God got that one right. As always, those of us who are tempted in that direction need to fight that temptation, not wallow in it.

8 posted on 01/25/2012 3:35:58 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: tobyhill

Right, because it was so much more important for Romney to send in another few seconds worth of interest on the national debt than to make millions of dollars worth of charitable donations.

*sigh*

Why is Obama so stupid?


9 posted on 01/25/2012 3:38:01 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: tobyhill

Is this idiot ever going to stop with this? He’s like a broken record, his whole Presidency has been nothing but “The rich have got to pay their fair share” or “Why is (enter middle class job here) paying a higher tax rate than a millionaire (or Warren Buffet).....He’s like an automaton, plug in his batteries and he repeats this stuff over and over and over and over and over and over.


10 posted on 01/25/2012 3:42:45 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (How ironic that Ann Coulter should write a book called Treason.)
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To: GladesGuru
Obama said he didn't feel he paid his fair share, based on current law, so he can voluntarily give the IRS more or he can quit taking deductions and only take the standard deduction. There's ways he can increase his contributions.

I'm sure Buffett has lawyers he can lend to Obama to show him how to give the IRS more.

11 posted on 01/25/2012 3:44:47 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

By the way, Newt Gingrich’s plan would have us all paying closer to what appears to be the standard millionaire’s rates, ie, 15% or less. Newt wants a personal flat tax of 15% after deductions for us working stiffs and he wants to cut the corporate tax rate down to 12.5%, and eliminate the capital gains tax altogether.

This article claims Buffet pays only 10% on his income and I’ve seen articles stating Romney pays 13%. With Newt’s plan, we damned near pay the same rates. Fair is fair. /s

Of course if Newt gets his way and drastically cuts the income tax, then the federal government can’t live on that and that’s got the establishment in a panic.

Well, surprise, surprise. Newt also wants to gut the federal government too. Strip it of its unconstitutional socialist welfare programs and ship them all back to the states and the people where they can either control them locally or shut them down!

He also wants to privatize social security and medicare, phase them out, and eliminate the payroll taxes.

This is Reagan on steroids.

We’re talking major economic boom here!!


12 posted on 01/25/2012 3:47:29 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: tobyhill

The last time these jerkweeds tossed a hissie over millionaires “not paying their fair share”, they instituted the Alternative Minimum Tax.

I’ve had to deal with that monstrosity every year for the past four or five, and I’m sure as hell no millionaire.

Whatever these clowns want to do, at whatever income level they claim they’re going to target, you can bet your bottom dollar (if you’ve still got it after April 15) that it’ll drift down to the middle class - without that revenue, they really can’t confiscate at the levels they want.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 3:54:45 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Jim Robinson

If we didn’t have the Obamazombied Americans they would figure out that 15% flat tax is the fair tax.

The whole SOTU was about more welfare to buy votes.

I think Obama fears going up against Newt more than Ole Mittens because Newt strips Obama of any argument about “fair share”.


15 posted on 01/25/2012 4:02:30 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: Pollster1
I spent most of my childhood wondering why, since I was not susceptible and those I knew who were tempted in that direction only had minor levels of that flaw, so that I misunderstood its damage at full force. It was only once I started interacting with liberals that I understood the full power and evil of envy. As always, God got that one right. As always, those of us who are tempted in that direction need to fight that temptation, not wallow in it.

You make a good point and I had the same experience. As a kid, I never understood the covet thing. Why would I want something that is someone else's? It didn't make sense to me THEN, but as you put it, it didn't make sense until I met liberals.

16 posted on 01/25/2012 4:04:07 AM PST by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks tobyhill.


17 posted on 01/25/2012 4:08:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: justice14
Give 30 Billion to the Gates Foundation instead of paying the death tax.

So after your death you can change social Polices like Plan Parenthood, Population Control, Open Borders and many other leftist causes like the Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller have been doing for decades.

18 posted on 01/25/2012 4:10:43 AM PST by scooby321
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To: Jim Robinson

Buffett’s rate is closer to 1%.

Most of his income is “unrealized capital gains”. And the combined federal-state-local rate on “unrealized capital gains” is 0%. Since he is moving these assets into charitable trusts where they will never be taxed, almost all of his income will never be taxed. (except the taxes at the source, the corporate taxes.)

The DEMS would never dare to tax folks like Buffett.


19 posted on 01/25/2012 4:18:45 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: tobyhill

The INCOME tax is the biggest lie. In essence, it’s a paycheck tax. Rich men don’t get paychecks. They have wealth.

Wealth is not taxed the same as income. An increase in the rates for income will not affect the rich who have vast amounts of wealth in various trust funds and then consume things from the trust fund.

The rest of us have to have jobs where we get paid, i.e., our labor is exchanged for money. We consume things from that money. The government takes from that money first; their cut. Then what’s left over is ours to pay bills, mortgage, buy food, clothes, gas for the car, et., etc.

A rich man lives in a mansion paid for by his trust fund. The limo he rides in is owned not by him, but by the trust fund. The limo driver is not his employee, but rather works for the trust fund. A fancy dinner at the mansion? The food is bought by the trust fund and the chef is paid by the trust fund.

Why would a rich man need an “income”?

On the other hand, a small business owner sells stuff, goods or services, for money. That money is considered income by the government. Even if he uses that income to restock items, pay staff, buy equipment, replace faulty equipment, pay insurance, etc, it’s still all income. Make a million on your small business but pay out $950,000 in expenses?

Guess what? You’re a millionaire. And Obama is gunning for more of your money. So what do you do? Well, that new hire? Hit the road Jack! One more on 99 weeks of unemployment, one more not paying taxes. The economy gets worse. You have to let more workers go.

You see my point. This is hurting, not helping.

How do we get the word out to those who don’t understand this?

When I explain it so to my non-political firends the light bulb goes on over their heads and they start to understand what a mistake an “income” tax is, especially in regards to the wealthy versus the small business owneres.

We all need to do a better job explaining this!


20 posted on 01/25/2012 4:18:45 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: mvpel

Corrolary:

Why are people who vote for zero so stupid?

FUBO!


21 posted on 01/25/2012 4:20:55 AM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Truth29

How about taxing munis and Treasury bonds? Talk about the law of unintended consequences.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 4:21:26 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: tobyhill

What a freakin joke. And if millionaires paid 30% in tax, we’d still have an annual deficit of $1 trillion dollars. The issue is S-P-E-N-D-I-N-G. SPENDING. SPENDING. SPENDING. We can’t afford Obama’s insane level of spending even if millionaires paid 50% in taxes. We couldn’t even afford Bush’s spending binge. We have to get back to the spending levels of 2000. We have to reform entitlements. If we don’t, we need a huge MIDDLE CLASS tax hike to pay for it all. Period. The days of the middle class getting a free ride on the rich are over.


23 posted on 01/25/2012 4:31:41 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: tobyhill
This call is a joke. It's a one liner that means nothing and is going no where...which is why he uses it. It's directed at non-millionaires.

The tax on taxable income of $100,000 for a married couple is $17,244.

Now Obama didn't produce any jobs or tax money with his income but Buffet did and his money produces additional tax elsewhere.

24 posted on 01/25/2012 4:33:03 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Truth29

Capital gains shouldn’t be taxed at all. ‘Course I’m a radical.


25 posted on 01/25/2012 5:00:06 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Graybeard58

The bonanza of untapped revenue is the poor who pay no taxes.

Fairness requires all to pay. Being poor is no excuse


26 posted on 01/25/2012 5:03:04 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: silverleaf

The “Buffett Rule” might have more credibility if Buffett actually followed it. And WTF is Warren Buffett anyway to speak for his fellow millionaires/billionaires?


28 posted on 01/25/2012 5:05:18 AM PST by rbg81
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To: bert

The bonanza of untapped revenue is the poor who pay no taxes.


Not only do they pay no taxes, they get credits. Basically, they make $$ from filing their taxes.


29 posted on 01/25/2012 5:06:37 AM PST by rbg81
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To: mvpel
Why is Obama so stupid?

He's not stupid. In the absence of a broad-based societal morality, envy is popular.

30 posted on 01/25/2012 5:07:59 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

In Obama-speak “rich” is the codeword for privileged, imperiialistic whites, and 30% will erase their sins in his church of “fairness”. FUBO!!!


31 posted on 01/25/2012 5:11:12 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: tobyhill
Until Americans demand that politicians recognize that the government is not entitled to ANY of their money, this practice of telling you how much you're going to get to keep of your hard earned money, will continue. While everyone’s arguing over percentage points, this fact is slipping away and the government is subliminally programming everyone into slavery.
32 posted on 01/25/2012 5:11:29 AM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: bert

Why is it when they want to discourage behavior, they tax it? Except for income taxes. Let’s discourage being poor and encourage climbing out of one income category to the next.

We don’t beat children for learning to walk.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 5:13:19 AM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Make a million on your small business but pay out $950,000 in expenses?

My now deceased b-i-l was a small business owner, in that he owned 3 semi trucks and employed 2 drivers other than himself, my wife helped him with his books and taxes for years, even though b-i-l was a C.P.A. himself, he just didn't have time to do it all.

He grossed enormous amounts of money and you can probably guess the rest of the story, he paid out enormous amounts in taxes and complying with 49 different sets of state laws plus federal laws and regulations, plus salaries and benefits for his 2 employees, who in many years netted more income than he did. These are the pockets the liberals like Obama want to get in even deeper yet.

34 posted on 01/25/2012 5:16:02 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: tobyhill
How is this "Equal Treatment Under the Law"????

WHERE in the U.S. Constitution does it say that some have to support all the parasites who pay nothing, but vote for those who will get them handouts?

You don't pay any income taxes or property taxes, you have no dog in the fight, and you don't vote.

Those who earn income, all pay the same rate, period. You want more "net income", work harder, and you'll have it. Success cannot be penalized to benefit the lackluster parasites who procreate and are NOT required to support their offspring (except via taxpayer handouts).

35 posted on 01/25/2012 5:16:09 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Truth29

They don’t get it. They just don’t get it.


36 posted on 01/25/2012 5:17:25 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Alas Babylon!
The government takes from that money first; their cut.

Funny, doesn't God ask for our first fruits?

37 posted on 01/25/2012 5:23:52 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

Barry: we micturate on your fuzzy pate.


38 posted on 01/25/2012 5:26:08 AM PST by aruanan
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To: tobyhill

The tax rates show how dumb your pols are.


39 posted on 01/25/2012 5:45:19 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: tobyhill

Like everything any leftists say, this is intended to sound good, with no idea how to implement it, enforce it, or what the other consequences will be.

30% of WHAT, exactly, 0bama, you assclown?


40 posted on 01/25/2012 5:47:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Truth29
A simple change to a system that does not tax capital (investments and their earnings) provided it's kept invested would do wonders.

Then, when an investor converted any of his capital to personal income to purchase food, clothing, shelter, charitable donations or services, tax it the same way you tax any other personal income.

41 posted on 01/25/2012 5:47:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: tobyhill

And then instead of just millionaires, it would be halfies, then quarters, then tenths. But never would it affect the Obama constituents.


42 posted on 01/25/2012 5:52:26 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Pollster1

I just posted on another thread that you can go through the “Big 10” and easily demonstrate how the left is opposed to all of them.

10 - Liberal ideology and socialism are based on envy.
9 - “you’ll be better off if we take what the rich have”, “you don’t have because they do have”
8 - And we’ll use violence (ie, government) to steal what they have
7 - Adultery? Have at it! Sex Positive!
6 - Don’t kill the convicted murderer, but that innocent baby in the womb? Go for it, you’ll be better off without it (see 9)
5 - Your parents don’t know as much as you and your teachers do. Pay attention to us, not them.
4 - Sabbath Day? What’s that?
3 - @@#$%@#! @#&$*@!!!
2 - hmmmm... do they worship “graven” images? Movie/TV stars perhaps?
1 - is there anything that DOESN’T come before the one true God with these people?


43 posted on 01/25/2012 5:53:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Stosh

You simply CAN’T tax the truly wealthy, and that’s not their true target, because they know this fact as well.

They target income earners, who don’t have the means or the information available to avoid getting their income violently confiscated.


44 posted on 01/25/2012 5:54:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: tobyhill

Lib/progs mock the meaning of words like “fair” What they want is the opposite of fair.


45 posted on 01/25/2012 6:01:13 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: tobyhill

On the surface people are going to think that this is reasonable and fair. The problem is that a wealthy person should determine how his or her money is spent and not the government. The government can not be trusted with a penny more than what it needs to run only those services that a government should run.

Otherwise the government will waste money and use it to increase and maintain its power (usually by increasing dependency). It will choose winners and losers in the marketplace.

The federal government is totally out of control. More power needs to be returned to the states.


46 posted on 01/25/2012 6:40:21 AM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: tobyhill

I will continue to invest in my mattress.


47 posted on 01/25/2012 6:43:32 AM PST by OldCountryBoy (You can't make this stuff up!)
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To: Pollster1

Great point, thank you for posting.


48 posted on 01/25/2012 7:08:17 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: scooby321

30% federal income
7.65% Social Security
8-10% state income
7% state sales
+ property taxes and user fees applied by all levels of government.

The current situation has the wage earning producers taxed at total rates of 50% or more while 48% of the population pays zero taxes. After all, it is only fair.

Since Obama wants to make everything fair, I suggest a retroactive windfall profits tax for book authors. After all, how hard can it be to write, “Dreams from my Father” and the “Audacity of Hope”? Unlike the wealthy investor, the political book author has no capital at risk. His fees are 100% profit unless he is paying a ghost writer. Perhaps a reporter will ask him about the source of his wealth. After all is it fair for him to become a millionaire with none of his personal capital at risk?

Wouldn’t it be much “fairer” to pay him by the page? Let’s say five hours per page. Audacity of Hope is 464 pages so he should be entitled to be paid for 2320 hours. The minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. What is a fair hourly rate. Let’s say 5 times the minimum wage or $36.25. Given 2320 hours at $36.25 per hour, Obama’s “fair” wage for his book would be $84,100. Shouldn’t all income he received in royalties above that amount be taxed away under the logic used by Obama? His book royalties are as much “excess profits” as oil royalties received by other wealthy investors. Can’t the Republicans make this case?


49 posted on 01/25/2012 7:38:03 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: scooby321

“Give 30 Billion to the Gates Foundation instead of paying the death tax.
So after your death you can change social Polices like Plan Parenthood, Population Control, Open Borders and many other leftist causes like the Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller have been doing for decades.”

Perhaps we should start taxing these tax exempt foundations and think tanks. Many “nonprofits” make money on their investments or other activities such as leasing property, selling books, consulting, or operating retail stores. Why should “nonprofits” be allowed to generate profits engaging in activities in competition with the private sector but bearing none of the private sector taxation?


50 posted on 01/25/2012 7:53:32 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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