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Can someone help me argue my statement that Obama is evil?

Posted on 01/25/2012 4:10:34 AM PST by ladymac

I'm involved with an argument on facebook with a liberal. I need quick facts to back up my hatred of Obama. She says it's all opinions and wants me to give facts. I need help because I don't have time to look up a lot of stuff. Thank you so much!

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1 posted on 01/25/2012 4:10:36 AM PST by ladymac
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To: ladymac
Try here.
2 posted on 01/25/2012 4:13:04 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: ladymac

Using the word “evil” is over the top. You are destined to lose your effort to win that person over...if you ever had a chance.

3 posted on 01/25/2012 4:14:30 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: ladymac

The Ulsterman Report “California”.

4 posted on 01/25/2012 4:15:21 AM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: ladymac

Hatred and no facts? It doesn’t fit well. Take the time to look some things up and start remembering what you read. I wouldn’t encourage your facebook debates. Good luck, though.

5 posted on 01/25/2012 4:15:50 AM PST by healy61
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To: ladymac
Don't let them set the terms of the debate. That is like the person here who wants you to site the source for everything you write. Then the source you provide is dismissed also.

You cannot prove through anything you write that Obama is evil. All you can do is cite his views, programs, and effects. Don't fight the battle with their rules.

6 posted on 01/25/2012 4:16:08 AM PST by Luke21
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To: ladymac

Stop arguing that he’s evil. You can’t prove that with facts. You can, however, with facts prove that his policies have failed.

7 posted on 01/25/2012 4:16:32 AM PST by USNA74
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To: ladymac

Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood Links Deserve Second Look Chris Carter
11 Jun 2009

“The Speech” delivered by Barack Obama may have been intended to strengthen ties with the Muslim community, but it also served to add another chapter to Obama’s troubling history with the world’s oldest international terrorist organization – the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Islamic revivalist movement Muslim Brotherhood (MB), founded in 1928 by the Egyptian schoolteacher Hassan Al-Banna, seeks to establish a global Islamic Caliphate ruled by Shari’ah law. MB has spawned such terrorist groups as Hamas – which is actually the Palestinian chapter of MB – Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Al Qaeda. Despite being officially outlawed in Egypt, MB politicians – who run as independents – account for 88 seats, or just over 20% of Egypt’s parliament. In addition, MB has either founded or is linked to most major U.S. Muslim organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim Students Association (MSA), the Muslim American Society, and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The MB denounced violence back in the 1970’s and now claim that they stand for democratic reform, but they support suicide bombings and are tied to international terrorist attacks.

At least ten MB members – including Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, the head of MB’s parliamentary bloc – were invited to attend the speech at Cairo University. The Obama administration claims that invitations were sent out exclusively by Egypt’s Cairo and Al-Azhar Universities. However according to the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Egyptian daily Al-Masyroon reported that the invitations were “extended at the request of U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Margaret Scobey.”

Reporters questioned Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough whether or not MB members were invited by the administration, but McDonough would not give an answer.

“I can tell you that invitations have gone out to the full range of actors in Egyptian political society,” responded McDonough. Apparently to the Obama administration the “full range of actors” includes those who see suicide bombing as “the greatest of all sorts of Jihad in the Cause of Allah.”

It is disturbing that McDonough would not deny inviting members from the organization whose founder said, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” One can only imagine that a Christian or Jewish supremacist group set on world domination would not be invited to attend, so why should a Muslim group get a free pass?

McDonough’s reaction is even more disturbing when you consider the 1991 MB memo on organizing members in North America that said all members “must understand their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within, and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

The MB, CAIR, and ISNA all praised Obama’s speech and welcomed the new approach. Part of this “new approach” is Obama’s promise to ease the ability of Muslims to give zakat, or the Islamic duty of charitable donations. The ISNA said in a statement that they “applaud the President’s recognition of the problems Muslim American charities have been having and the hardship that resulted from the ‘rules on charitable giving’ by federal agencies. We welcome his commitment to ensure that Muslim Americans can fulfill their zakat duty, a religious obligation to provide the needy with financial support.”

Contrary to Obama’s (and ISNA’s) claim, however, there are no rules making it “harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation.” What rules are in place are laws prohibiting material support to terrorist groups. As we recently witnessed in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) trial, zakat is used to finance terrorism. HLF – considered the largest Muslim charity group in the U.S. – sent at least $12.4 million to the MB-linked Hamas. In fact, Shari’ah Law mandates that a portion of zakat goes towards financing jihad.

Yousef al-Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of MB, wrote in 1999 that “Declaring holy war to save … Muslim lands is an Islamic duty, and fighting for such purposes in those occupied territories is the Way of Allah for which zakat must be spent.” As of this April, 27 Islamic charity groups – including the three largest in the U.S. – had either been indicted or designated as sponsors of terrorism by the Treasury Department. Obama’s promise may have pleased MB, but opening the door for American dollars to finance jihad is abhorrent.

The president even stated that he would be working with the MB-linked Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) on fighting polio. While fighting polio is a worthy cause, working alongside an organization that could seek to imprison or execute those who speak against Islam is not. The OIC is is the same organization that has been seeking a United Nations ban on “defamation of religions” which is a treaty that will silence any speech deemed defamatory by Islam – the only religion specifically mentioned in the treaty. For example: if a Christian in Pakistan is asked whether Muhammad is a prophet – and responds “no” – the Christian is guilty of blasphemy. According to Pakistan’s Shari’ah court, the punishment for blasphemy is death. The plan is derived from the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, which states “that all rights are subject to Shari’ah law, and makes Shari’ah law the only source of reference for human rights.” Despite the fact that Obama calls himself a “committed Christian,” it is inconceivable that he would work alongside a 57-nation Christian alliance that silenced free speech and sought the death penalty for members of other religions for denying the divinity of Jesus Christ.

During Obama’s 2008 campaign, his Muslim outreach coordinator had to step down after less than two weeks on the job. Mazen Asbahi previously sat on a board of Allied Assets Advisors Fund (AAAF) along with Jamal Said, the imam of a Chicago mosque that supports Hamas. AAAF is a subsidiary of North American Islamic Trust (NAIT), which was founded by MB. Both Said and NAIT are unindicted co-conspirators in the HLF trial. In addition, Asbahi was formerly a leader in the MSA while attending the University of Michigan, and had joined four other MB-linked organizations. Asbahi stepped down after he was exposed by the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report.

The Obama campaign had to cut ties with Robert Malley, a member of Obama’s Middle East advisory council, when the Times of London disclosed that Malley was in regular contact with members of Hamas. Malley was involved with the terrorist group through his role at the George Soros-funded “conflict resolution think tank,” the International Crisis Group. Malley’s father Simon was a personal friend of the late Yasser Arafat – a MB member – and Robert wrote several op-ed pieces with former Arafat adviser Hussein Agha.

“He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future,” said an Obama spokesman when Malley was cut in May, but Malley was apparently back in Obama’s good graces when he was dispatched by the president-elect to meet with Syrian leaders following the election in November.

In a 2004 fatwa, Qardawi stated that Muslims killed in action against American troops in Iraq are martyrs “given their good intentions since they consider these invading troops an enemy within their territories but without their will.” As Commander-in-Chief of the forces whose death the MB is advocating, it defies reason that this administration should be working alongside them on so many levels.

Scott Wheeler, the Director of the National Republican Trust summed it up: “The American people did not vote for President Barack Hussein Obama to make peace with Muslim terrorists.”

8 posted on 01/25/2012 4:18:31 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ladymac

Muslim Brotherhood: Obama is a Muslim Brother Quote #

How are Barack Hussein Obama, the global Muslim Brotherhood (MB) network, the Black Panther Party (BPP), the Black Liberation Army (BLA), Black Liberation theology, the Weather Underground (WU), the anti-Apartheid movement, and Kenyan and American politics all interconnected?

El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) was assassinated nearly 46 years ago, on Feb. 21, 1965, because of his attempt to internationalize the African American struggle for self-determination.

Malcolm would have been 86 years old on May 19, 2011. Africans in New York City have made a pilgrimage to Malcolm’s gravesite every year since Feb. 21, 1966. While it is unlikely that U.S. President Barack Obama will acknowledge Malcolm’s joining the ancestors, people from Cape Town to Nova Scotia and Brazil to Brixton definitely will.

Unlike other U.S. presidents, President Obama knows who Malcolm was and what he stands for. Like many males with African roots, President Obama was moved by Malcolm’s life story. A cursory reading of his autobiography, “Dreams from My Father,” will prove this point.

President Obama has real African roots. He is a member of the Luo people of East Africa. The Luo are an ethnic group in Kenya, Eastern Uganda and Northern Tanzania. The Luo are the third largest ethnic group (13 percent) in Kenya, after the Kikuyu (20 percent) and the Luhya (17 percent). The Luo and the Kikuyu inherited the bulk of political power in the first years following Kenya’s independence in 1963.

When Malcolm visited Africa in 1964, he visited Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. It was during that trip that he met with Kenyan President Jomo Kenyatta. At this time (1964-1966) Obama’s Uncle, Jaramogi Ajuma Oginga ODINGA (b. 1911 d. Jan. 20, 1994), was the Vice President of Kenya. On the same trip, Malcolm also visited Ugandan President Dr. Milton Obote and President Julius K. Nyerere and Muhammad Babu of Tanzania. Babu, Malcolm and Leroi Jones (now Amiri Baraka) held a meeting during this period in New York City. Malcolm talked about meeting President Kenyatta and it was clear he was also acquainted with Kenya’s Vice President, Obama’s Uncle, Oginga ODINGA.
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BLA member, co-conspirator with Weather Underground members in the Brink’s Robbery (Oct. 1981, NY), Muslim Black nationalist, and self-proclaimed NEW AFRICAN Prisoner of War, Sekou Mgobogi Abdullah ODINGA (born Nathaniel Burns) was greatly influenced by the writings of Malcolm X (a.k.a. El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz). According to the Black Panther Party, Malcolm X was assassinated because he attempted to internationalize the AFRICAN American struggle for self-determination. Until very recently, detractors of Malcolm X have been led to believe that he was assassinated because he preached RACISM, BLACK SUPREMACY, ANTI-SEMITISM, and VIOLENCE.
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In 1970, the BLA sent ODINGA to Algeria to help set up the international section of the BLACK PANTHER PARTY (BPP). After a split in the BLACK PANTHER PARTY caused by the FBI’s counterintelligence program (COINTELPRO) occurred, ODINGA decided to come back to the U.S. to continue “the struggle” which he did until his capture in October of 1981. ODINGA is presently serving out a 40-year prison sentence in Florence, CO for his role in the Brink’s Robbery. ODINGA said the following about the BLA’s motivation for their involvement in the Brink’s Robbery. ODINGA’s organization [the BLA] was “fighting for the liberation and self-determination of black people in this country.” ODINGA testified that the killings were suitable because the three victims had interfered with the “EXPROPRIATION”. In ODINGA’s view, the theft of money was morally justified because those funds “were robbed through the slave labor that was forced on them and their ancestors.”
Sekou Odinga, in Can’t Jail the Spirit, 4th edition, March 1998
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On Sept. 21, 1981, the office of the Eastern Rugby Union (ERU) in Schenectady, New York was bombed. The bombing was related to the fact that the ERU was the chief sponsor of a three-game American tour by the South AFRICAN (under Apartheid) national rugby team, the Springboks. In an article written by the associated press published Oct. 22, 1981, authorities specified that the bombing of the office was linked to the radical Weather Underground (WU) group.
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On Sept. 26, 1981, a group of anti-Apartheid protesters from New York, members of whom belonged to the Weather Underground (WU) (or WU splinter groups) showed up at John F. Kennedy Airport to protest the departure of the Springboks, back to South AFRICA. The group of protestors were: Timothy Blunk (“Blonk”), Donna Borup, Margot Pelletier, Mary (“Marcy”) Patten, and Eve Rosahn. An article which appeared in Newsday gives the clearest description of the violent acid-throwing incident at the airport and named the protestors. Of the protestors who were named, Blunk, Rosahn, and Borup have been shown to be members of the WU.

Newsday, Monday, September 28, 1981, Nassau Edition, page 7

October 20, 1981, members of the WU and the Black Liberation Army (BLA) were together involved with pulling off the Brinks Robbery. In this incident, robbers ambushed a Brink’s armored car at a shopping plaza in Nanuet (Rockland County) NY. In the course of the robbery and the attempts to escape, the robbers killed one Brinks guard and two police officers. BLA members involved in the Brink’s Robbery included Jeral Wayne Williams (a.k.a. Mutulu Shakur), Donald Weems (a.k.a. Kuwasi Balagoon), Samuel Smith, Nathaniel Burns (a.k.a. Sekou Mgobogi Abdullah ODINGA), Cecilio “Chui” Ferguson, and Samuel Brown (a.k.a. Solomon Bouines). WU members involved in the brinks Robbery, and who now belong to the May 19th Communist Organization, include David Gilbert (father of Kathy Boudin’s son), Samuel Brown, Judith Alice Clark, Kathy Boudin, Marilyn Buck, and Susan Lisa Rosenberg who drove the getaway car.
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Newsday, Monday, September 28, 1981, Nassau Edition, page 7

In 1984, after living as a fugitive for two years, Susan Rosenberg was arrested with an accomplice while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons from a car into a New Jersey storage locker. Her accomplice was WU member Timothy Blunk who was among those at the anti-Apartheid attack on the South AFRICAN rugby team at JFK airport in Sept. of 1981.
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In 1984, Kathy Boudin was convicted of felony murder for her participation in the Brinks Robbery. Boudin’s great-uncle was Louis Boudonovitch Boudin, a Marxist theorist. Her father, attorney Leonard Boudin, represented such controversial clients as Fidel Castro. Due to her incarceration, between 1984 and 2003, Boudin’s son, Chesa Boudin, was raised by fellow WU members and co-founders, Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn. (Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn launched OBAMA’s political career when they held his first political fundraiser in their living room in Chicago.) Boudin became a public health expert while in prison. She was paroled from prison in 2003.
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In 1987, Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, a Black Muslim, Black nationalist, an outspoken enemy of Israel, and mentor to Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton was approached to raise money to fund OBAMA’s Law School education at Harvard. Fellow BPP founding member, Bobby Seale, was asked to write a letter of recommendation to Harvard Law on OBAMA’s behalf. Al-mansour enlisted Percy Sutton in the fund raising effort for OBAMA. Percy Sutton was a New York (Manhattan) Assemblyman and had served as an attorney for Malcom X (El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz). At the time Al-Mansour enlisted Percy Sutton’s assistance in the fund raising, he was working for one of the world’s richest men, mega-billionaire Prince Al-Waleed (Al-Walid) bin Talal of the Saudi royal family and cousin of Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden.

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Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
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Video proof of Percy Sutton’s and Al Mansour’s connections to the Harvard tuition paid for Obama:

The Arab name taken by BLA member and WU co-conspirator, Nathaniel Burns, upon his conversion to Islam, was Sekou Mgobogi Abdullah ODINGA. The name ODINGA refers to Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s uncle, Jaramogi Ajuma Oginga ODINGA (b. 1911 d. Jan. 20, 1994), who was the Vice President of Kenya in the Jomo Kenyatta administration (1964-1966). The Kenyatta regime was one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in AFRICA. Malcom X met with Kenyan President Jomo Kenyatta on a trip he took to AFRICA in 1964 on which he visited Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. These three AFRICAN countries happen to be nations in which the AFRICAN OBAMA/ODINGA Luo tribe has its greatest representation. The Arab name Abdullah was taken by BLA member and WU co-conspirator, Nathaniel Burns, in honor of the leader of radical Muslim extremists in Kenya, Shiekh Abdullah Abdi.
Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s grandfather, Hussein Onyango OBAMA (b. 1895 d. 1979), visited Europe and India, and afterward lived for a time in Zanzibar where he converted from Christianity to Islam. Hussein Onyango OBAMA was tried on charges of political sedition and membership in a banned organization, the Kenya Land Freedom Army, for his involvement in the Kenyan independence movement (the Mau Mau uprising) and was jailed by the British for two years beginning in 1949 in Kenya’s Kamiti Prison.
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Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s father, Barack Hussein OBAMA I (b. April 4, 1936 d. Nov. 24, 1982) was awarded a scholarship to study economics through an agency organized by prominent Kenyan nationalist politician, Thomas Joseph Odhiambo Mboya. Obama Sr. completed an undergraduate degree in economics at the University of Hawaii at Manoa and a graduate degree at Harvard. When OBAMA Sr. returned to Kenya in 1965, his brother-in-law, Jaramogi Ajuma Oginga ODINGA, was the Vice President of the country (1964-1966). OBAMA Sr. went to work for an oil company, then landed a position as an economist in the Kenyan Ministry of Transport, and eventually became the Chief Economist for the Kenyan Ministry of Finance.
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Also, in 1965, OBAMA Sr. published an article entitled “Problems Facing Our Socialism” in the East Africa Journal. The article harshly criticized then Kenyan President Kenyatta’s blueprint for national planning, “African Socialism and Its Applicability to Planning in Kenya.” President Kenyatta’s plan had been devised by Tom Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development. Because the economic plan OBAMA Sr. published was critical of that of Kenyan government, President Kenyatta destroyed OBAMA Sr.’s career. Obama Sr.’s mentor, Tom Mboya, was the founder of the Nairobi People’s Congress Party, a key figure in the formation of the Kenya African National Union (KANU), and the Minister of Economic Planning and Development at the time of his death. Mboya led the delegation that framed the Kenyan constitution and negotiated Kenyan independence. He later served as an MP from Nairobi and in two cabinet positions. In July of 1969, when Pres. Kenyatta became frustrated with Vice Pres. ODINGA decided that ODINGA needed to be replaced, and tapped Mboya for the position, Mboya was immediately assassinated.
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Barack Hussein OBAMA Sr. was the Uncle of current radical Kenyan Marxist, Raila Amollo ODINGA (“Your Agent for Change”). Raila Amollo ODINGA’s father and OBAMA’s Uncle (and former Kenyan Vice President), Oginga ODINGA led the Communist opposition during the Cold War and was supported by the Soviet Union. His son, Raila Amollo ODINGA (b. 1945), was educated in Communist East Germany (Magdeburg University, 1970). Raila Amolla ODINGA (Orange Democratic Party) is Barack Hussein OBAMA II’s first cousin and he is the current Prime Minister of Kenya. In 1982, Raila Amolla ODINGA was implicated in a failed coup against then Kenyan President Daniel Arap Moi. Raila Amolla ODINGA’s eldest son is named after Fidel Castro and his daughter is named for Winnie Mandela.

The Kenya Connection [Barack Obama, Raila Odinga]
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The Prime Ministership is a position created for Raila Amollo ODINGA in a coalition government that he demanded when he refused to concede the Dec. 27, 2007 Kenyan Presidential election to the incumbent, Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki. On Dec. 30, 2007, the chairman of the Kenyan election commission declared Raila Amollo ODINGA’s opponent, incumbent Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki, the winner of the Presidential election by a margin of about 230,000 votes. Raila Amollo ODINGA disputed the result. In the wake of the contested presidential election, ODINGA ordered fellow Luo tribal members and other supporters to riot to show their allegiance to him. In a particularly blood-thirsty fashion, ODINGA’s followers killed hundreds of members of their political opposition, the Kikuyu tribe, including 50 who were Pentecostal Christians. These Christians were burned to death in their church and were comprised primarily of women and children. Other Kikuyu victims were hacked to death. In all, during the post-election chaos, more than 1000 Christian churches were destroyed (Christians number 25 million in Kenya and Muslims number 3.5 million).

“Book links OBAMA to massacre of Christians”
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“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
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The Kenya Connection [Barack Obama, Raila Odinga]
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After a post-electoral crisis ensued that resulted in the deaths of 1,500 people and the displacement of 600,000 more, Raila Amollo ODINGA agreed to stop the violence in exchange for being named Kenya’s Prime Minister. During the election season, when Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election as Kenyan President became doubtful, Raila Amollo ODINGA promised: (a) to go easy on suspected Islamic terrorists if elected, (b) to halt the transfer of suspected Islamic terrorists to other countries for interrogation, and (c) on August 29, 2007, Raila Amollo ODINGA entered into a formal agreement, the Memorandum of Understanding, with radical Muslim extremist (AL SHABAAB) Sheikh Abdullah Abdi of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLF) whose followers are known to be part of AL QAEDA terrorist cells in Kenya. The Memorandum stated that if the radical Muslims in OBAMA/ODINGA’s district in Kenya (the (AL SHABAAB) helped Raila Amollo ODINGA gain power, once President he would instate Islamic Sharia law. As the AL SHABAAB radical Islamic extremists demanded of ODINGA (OBAMA’s choice for Presidential candidate and family member), the push for Islamic courts and Sharia law is happening in Kenya, a development that was publicized in the U.S. on February 11, 2010.

“OBAMA-backed ally forged pact with radical Muslims”
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“Push for Islamic Courts in Kenya Alarms Christians”
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“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
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“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
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Barack Hussein OBAMA II gave almost 1 million dollars to his cousin Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election bid under the name “Friends of OBAMA”. On August 26 and 27th, 2006 at several political rallies in Nairobi and at several stops in his father’s native region of Kenya, OBAMA openly campaigned extensively in person with Raila Amollo ODINGA. This was done during OBAMA’s 2006 Senate “fact-finding visit” to Kenya, South AFRICA, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, and Chad. OBAMA made this trip while a sitting U.S. Senator from the state of Illinois, a congressional delegation of one. OBAMA’s bias for his first cousin and fellow Luo, Raila Amollo ODINGA, was so blatant that a Kenya government spokesman denounced OBAMA during his visit as Raila’s “stooge.” While campaigning in northeast Kenya for Raila Amollo ODINGA, collaborator with radical Islamic extremists, the AL SHABAAB, OBAMA was photographed as a SOMALI elder, in full Muslim regalia. This is especially troubling for the following reasons. AL QAEDA has been working with SOMALI radical Islamic extremists and radical Islamic extremist SOMALI Kenyans inside Kenya since the early 1990s. In fact, southern SOMALIA is where the threat of terrorism and support for Islamic extremism is the greatest.

“Proof OBAMA backed ODINGA”
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“OBAMA and ODINGA: The True Story”
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“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
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“BO Campaigned for Kenya Muslim Terrorist”
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Ironically, on August 28, 2006, while in Kenya, OBAMA gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he informed the citizens of the Kenyan nation that ethnic-based (Luo, Kikuyu, Kamba and Maasi ethnic tribes) politics must stop because freedom is jeopardized by public corruption. Kenyans vote along tribal lines with the winners, from the more populous groups, handing out patronage only to members of their own tribe.

“Senator rebukes Kenya’s corruption”
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This action, OBAMA supporting his cousin Raila Amollo ODINGA’s election to the Kenyan Presidency, while ODINGA is being supported by radical Islamic extremists, the AL SHABAAB, was, in fact, aiding and abetting our enemy, radical Muslim extremists, such as AL QAEDA. Thus, OBAMA committed a treasonous act. It is a treasonous act because although cooperation between AL QAEDA and the AL SHABAAB is relatively recent, AL QAEDA has been working with SOMALI radical Islamic extremists and radical Islamic extremist ethnic SOMALI Kenyans inside Kenya since the early 1990s. According to U.S. intelligence reports, bin Laden sent Islamic extremists to Somalia (which borders Kenya) in 1991-1992 to help the SOMALI Islamic radical group al-Ittihad al-Islamiya (Islamic Unity, or AIAI) to organize an armed militia, establish schools and clinics, and prepare to seize power. One of the most grievous unintended consequences of the U.S. intervention in SOMALIA was that U.S. peacekeeping forces became a lightning rod for terrorist attacks from bin Laden’s terrorists and their SOMALI allies. AL QAEDA’s first known terrorist attack against Americans was the December 1992 bombing of a hotel in Aden, Yemen, used by American soldiers en route to Somalia to participate in the relief operations.

“OBAMA’s shocking AL QAEDA link”
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Somalia and al-Qaeda: Implications for the War on Terrorism
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One must remember that AL QAEDA is supported by a global Islamic network called the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) which in Arabic is called the al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun. An 18-page strategy paper of the Muslim Brotherhood dated Oct. 25, 1991 is entitled, “Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” This strategy paper was authored by Mohamed Akram, who was a key Ikhwan leader in the U.S. at the time. Akram is now the Secretary General of the International al-Quds Foundation in Lebanon as well as Director of the al-Quds International Institute.

An overview of the MB’s strategic goal in North America is as follows:

The Ikhwan [Salafist mujahideen branch of the MB] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.

Current Trends in Islamic Ideology, Vol. 6
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Thus, patriotic Americans must remain vigilant. “In wholly sharia-based countries such as Iran, Sudan, and Saudi Arabia, there is little distinction between religion and state, leaving no room for liberal democracy. The institution of elections might be maintained, but this will inevitably be an illiberal system without dissent, individuation, or critical thinking.”

Current Trends in Islamic Ideology, Vol. 6
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Many of those who are members of the Muslim Brotherhood USA are Arabs in America, while some are Arab-Americans. The Black Muslim Brotherhood in the USA is a branch of the MB USA and includes a number of Black Liberationist ministers such as Obama’s minister in Chicago, Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ, and some members of their congregations. Members of the MB USA and the Black Muslim Brotherhood (in the form of the Black Panther Party and the Black liberation Army and various other groups) can be radical Islamic Extremists in the sense that they desire more power, and this, in turn, requires the economic and political systems in America to be changed.

One must also remember that OBAMA’s family on both sides (OBAMA and ODINGA) is rooted in the sociopolitical tumult of the last 60 years leading up to Kenya’s break from great Britain and its attempts to be a powerful player on the African and worldwide stage. And. with a President of the USA and a Vice President of Kenya in the family OBAMAs and ODINGAs in Kenya, the USA, and points elsewhere would have to be heady with a skewed sense of empowerment.

Lastly, what effect has the emergence of OBAMA and his ideology had on Black Americans? One perspective is available by reading articles that are posted on the
Black Educator website. The mission of the website is stated as:

“News, analysis, resources and documents that help us advance ‘Education for Liberation’. In addition, we provide critical analysis of racism and CAPITALISM
in all their ugly forms.”

The Black Educator website also displays a clock and a quote from Malcolm X which reads, “Time will tell…”

In light of the Black Educator website’s stated mission, commentary written by S. E. Anderson that accompanied an article written just last year (Feb. 15, 2010) is worthy of attention and is re-printed in its entirety below:

Sun, Feb 14, 2010

NOTE: The late Black sociologist, E. Franklin Frazier, is turning over his grave everyday. When he published “The Black Bourgeoisie,” he hoped that Blackfolk would take heed and struggle not to become sucked up into the capitalist vortex of individualism, greed and false patriotism. Following him shortly thereafter was his student, Dr Nathan Hare with a scathing book: “The Black Anglo Saxons”. It further warned us of the dangers of a rising Black middleclass full of itself and pampered by those white capitalist rulers of the 60’s and 70’s. It is clear now, some 40 to 50 years later that many of us did not take a serious listen to either of the Brothers!

Now we are stuck with a Congressional Black Carcass hellbent on sucking up to the worst of Big Corporate America for some chumpchange in their individual pockets and nanoprestige while 95% of Black America worsens under depression conditions.

To make matters worse, we have a Black president who not only ignores the CBC, but ignores the worsening plight of Black America. And rationalizes this dismissal of our particular plight by harking back to that other “charismatic” prez- JFK. Obama believes- as John F Kennedy said back in 1963- “The rising tide (of economic recovery) lifts all boats (including Blackfolks’ boat).” Prez Obama is using this concept as his centerpiece for quelling Black anger/dissent among his more concerned Black elements– including, ironically, Jesse Jackson.
For it was the young Jesse Jackson who responded to JFK by saying that Blackfolk’s boat was full of holes at the bottom of the economic sea.

It is clear that we have no option but to continue to fight for Reparations, Liberation and the death of Capitalism- no matter how Black its face.

Re: Muslim Brotherhood: Obama is a Muslim Brother

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Obama Administration Lifts Ban on Muslim Brotherhood Leader
Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, January 28, 2011, 8:33 PM
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Now why would he do that, Muslims have infiltrated our government and military, it is only a matter of time

9 posted on 01/25/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ladymac
He appointed two pro-abortion judges to the Supreme Court—if you are arguing pure evil, evil that can only come from some supreme entity of evil, the ultimate evil that an American president has the power to commit—it doesn't get any more evil than that.
10 posted on 01/25/2012 4:19:01 AM PST by Happy Rain ("The TSA" teaching fed thugs to oppress and the oppressed to get used to it.")
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To: ladymac

Obama , culturally never was an American as he carries many chips on his shoulder and as we see from his old culture at many levels. He feels for his Kenyan identity, he feels for his muslim identity, and he feels his angst against white and America....

On top of it, Obama is a Muslim wanabe or Wahabe, I call him a ghazi.

“One of the prettiest sounds on earth” is the Muslim call to prayer at sunset.
Barack Hussein Obama as quoted by Nicholas D. Kristof in the New York Times - March 6, 2007

• The FIRST thing Obama did as a newly elected Illinois State Senator was to attempt to declare a Muslim holiday. Obama sponsored Bill SR0110 in the 90th General Assembly to declare November 1, 1997 to be Islamic Community Center Day. It did not pass.

• His biological father was a Muslim.

• Because his biological father was a Muslim the Islam world thinks he is a Muslim.

• His stepfather was a Muslim.

• As a child Barry was enrolled in school as a Muslim in Jakarta Indonesia. An Indonesian Madrasa.
• Barack Hussein Obama’s first and middle names are Arabic Muslim names.
Barack was the name for Mohammad’s horse. Husein, enough said.

• Obama recited the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer, which includes a vow of fidelity to Islam, in flawless Arabic on a radio program. - Nikolos Kristoff, NYTs, 3-06-07 (***this one is a gottcha moment***)

• On that same program he said he thinks the call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on earth.”

• Obama belonged to Rev. Wright’s (a former Muslim) church for twenty years. Many congregants are Muslims.

• Obama’s said that the U.S. is “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.”

• Obama holds Muslim celebrations in the WH but canceled the National Day of Prayer.

• President Obama’s religious adviser, Eboo Patel, once deemed the United States “the ideal place for the renewal of Islam.”

• Obama does not give gifts on Christmas.

• Obama doesn’t celebrate his birthday.

• Obama falsely attributes Muslim participation in the founding of America.

• Obama required that the cross be covered when he gave a speech at Notre Dame.

• Christian symbol covered up during Obama’s Georgetown speech

• Obama’s first major speech in office was a “Muslim outreach” speech in Cairo Egypt.

• “The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV.

• Obama gave strong support to the Cordoba House community center and mosque to be built at the Ground Zero site of Sep. 11, 2001 at a dinner celebrating the day’s end of the first day of Ramadan at the WH.

• Obama tasked NASA with a mission of “Muslim outreach.”

• Obama referred to his faith as “my Muslim faith” gaffe in an interview with George Stephanopolous.

• Pushes Islamic freedom of religion but not Jewish or Christian freedoms. Several weeks ago he told Israel NOT to build settlements in East Jerusalem. But OK to build that Mosque at Ground Zero.

All this brings on a interesting question... how can America have any struggle against Islam, or protect herself with the most powerful muslim in the world sitting in the White House?

Be wary, wary aware ....and wary, wary afraid...get prepared for more creeping sharia...more than what is coming out of the White House today

11 posted on 01/25/2012 4:19:31 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ladymac

Sunday, June 26, 2011
OBAMA GAFFES I & II (juxtaposed to attacks on PALIN)
By Eric the Red

It’s supposed to be common knowledge that Sarah Palin is stupid, right? Why? Palin-haters can’t tell us. There’s no actual data to back that up, other than out-of-context statements, completely made up quotes and purported “gotcha” moments.

These debunked gaffes then get transported instantaneously throught the leftosphere from Daily Kos to the NY Times to to MSNBC to the script writing rooms of “Saturday Night Live” and around and around again.

All this before the slightest bit of fact checking even starts—if it ever takes place at all.

Remember the “Bush Doctrine” thing? Sarah got it wrong in her interview with Charlie Gibson in September, 2008—or did she?

Charles Krauthammer, the very coiner of the phrase “Bush Doctrine,” corrects both Gibson and the heretofore unapologetic Times:

“At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of ‘anticipatory self-defense.’”

— New York Times, Sept. 12

Informed her? Rubbish.

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.
He asked Palin, “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, “In what respect, Charlie?”

Sensing his “gotcha” moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine “is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense.”

Wrong. …
Strike one.

At a Tea Party Express event last October, Sarah said, “party like it’s 1773.” This sent the leftocracy in a jaw-dropping tizzy. “1773???” thought Markos “Kos” Moulitsas, PBS’s Gwen Ifill, and everyone in between.

Only an idiot wouldn’t know the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776!

Except Stupid Sarah wasn’t referencing the Declaration; she was referencing the Boston Tea Party, which occurred in … wait for it: 1773.

Strike two.

Just this past month the leftocracy thoight they nailed Stupid Sarah when she retold a part of the history of Paul Revere’s ride. Everyone in the Democrat-media complex thought she got it wrong.

Except she got it right; all her critics were wrong. To the LA Times’ credit, they corroborated Sarah’s account. Some of her earlier laughing critics ignored the correction, others actually surmised Sarah got it right by accident. Whatever.

Strike three.

And many strikes in between.

Sarah Palin is like the Road Runner and her jealous, hateful detractors Democrat-media complex are all Wile E. Coyote. Always thinking, “All right, now we got her! Look, see how stupid she is!? We told you she’s an idiot!”

And then the self-lit bomb explodes in their faces. They’re left standing there with a “WTF?” look on their blackened, hair-singed faces, while Sarah races past them unscathed going, “Beep beep!”

The irony of all this is that for most of the Palin-bashers, their idea of an absolute brilliant God-like genius is President Obama.

But the funny thing is that there is just as little evidence of Barack Obama’s “intelligence” as there is of Sarah Palin’s stupidity. In fact, if liberals actually lived in a reality-based world rather than in their fantasy “liberals are smart and good; conservatives are stupid and evil” world, they would realize that Sarah Palin actually knows what the hell she’s talking about, while Barack Obama is a complete idiot with a capital I.

And to drive this point home, “Mr. Pinko” at released a fantastic video montage roughly entitled “Sarah Palin is an IDIOT” but actually documenting over 9 minutes of the stupidest most embarrassing gaffes of the Genius-in-Chief himself.

Anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is too stupid and unserious to be POTUS has no business whatsoever wanting Barack Obama anywhere near Washington, D.C. While many of the gaffes are in the video above, some are not. Some letters are for people who are regular bashers of Sarah Palin, but vocal worshipers of President Golden Calf.

ABC’s of Barack Obama’s Complete and Untter Stupidity

A is for Austrian, which Obama thinks is a language.

B is for breathalyzer, which is what Obama mistakenly called an inhaler for asthma. Incidently, he did immediately correct himself, replacing “breathalyzer” with “inhalator.”

C is for corpsman, which Obama pronounced as “corPSe man” twice in the same speech.

D is for the set of 25 DVD’s Obama gave to British PM Gordon Brown in March, 2009—a lame gift in and of itself—which couldn’t be played in a British DVD player because they were the wrong region. (Can you imagine if George W. Bush did that???)

E is for Europe, which Obama thinks is a country, not a continent.

F is for Fifty-seven, which is the number of U.S. states the most brilliant man ever to be POTUS says he’s been to. That was in May, 2008, so it’s possible Obama’s been to more than 57 states by now.

G is for Skip Gates, the black Harvard professor who exposed the racial chip on his shoulder when he was apprehended by a white Cambridge police officer for breaking into what turned out to be his own house. When asked to comment on it by the media, Obama exhibited his supposed brilliance in law by saying that he didn’t know all the facts, then immediately concluding that the police officer acted stupidly.

H is for Haaaavard. Apparently Obama is so brilliant and prolific that Harvard has his transcripts and written works under lock and key. How’s that for transparency?

I is for inefficiencies. In July, 2009, while selling the disastrous government-run health (s)care bill that has since been shoved down our throats, Obama said, “The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.” Whoops.

I is also for Israel. In July, 2008, Obama said, “Let me be absolutely clear: Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s.” OMG, could you imagine if Sarah Palin said something like that!?” Actually, at the time of the 2008 election, MSNBC’s David Shuster reported about a McCain aide who blogged that Palin didn’t know that Africa was a continent. But by the time the story went viral, it turned out the blogger was not a McCain aide and the Palin-Africa story was a hoax. But remember, it’s Fox that’s a crappy lying “news” source.

J is for Joe Biden. Anyone who would pick this glittering jewel of colossal ignorance to be Vice President—a man who said J-O-B-S was a three-letter word, who told a man in the audience to stand up before realizing he was in a wheelchair, and who explained to an incurious Katie Couric that when the stock market crashed, FDR (who was not president at the time) got on TV (which was not invented) to address the American people—is by all measures himself a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance.

K is for Karl Benz, inventor of the first gasoline-powered automobile in 1885-86 in Germany. Our genius president apparently did not know this. When addressing in his first address to Congress in February, 2009, said, “I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”

L is for Emma Lazarus, author of “The New Colossus” poem which is engraved on the pedastal of the Statue of Liberty. In a speech at American University last July the purported smartest POTUS in U.S. history not only screwed up the poem, but also royally messed up on the history of the poem and of the Statue of Liberty.

I’ll bet you didn’t even know the Karl Benz or Emma Lazarus gaffes? But I’ll bet you do know about Sarah Palin messing up the history of Paul Revere, right? See how the Obama-worshiping mainstream media works?

And that brings us to …

M is for the Mainstream Media.

As documented by many, such as Bernard Goldberg, the liberal MSM has been in the tank for Obama since he appeared on the national stage. If you don’t know most or even some of the gaffes listed above, you can thank the Obama-ass-kissing media for that.

They are the reason these huge whoppers by Obama have been hidden while tiniest little misstatement from Sarah Palin is amplified to the hilt and paraded as evidence of the woman’s stupidity.

Also, because the MSM have been cheerleaders not only for Obama but for all his failed policies—from the Stimulus Bill to QE/QE2 to his takeover of GM and Chrysler to Obama(Doesn’t) Care to Cash for Clunkers to his Middle East foreign policy—they are just as stupid and clownish as the president they so admire.

M is also for Memorial Day.

On that day in 2008, Obama gave a speech during which he said he saw many of the honored fallen heroes in the audience: “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes—and I see many of them in the audience here today—our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”

Apparently embarrassed by the claim that he sees dead people, his trusty official campaign blogger erased this gaffe from his website. As Aaron Klein reported at WND, the website transcript reads: “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes, our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”

And with that, we continue our ABC’s of Obama gaffes and epic fails:

N is for nittaly lions, which is what President Genius called Penn State’s mascot. (It’s supposed to be nittany lions.)

O is for Olympics.

President Genius took the time to fly himself and his massive ego to Copenhagen in order to personally make a pitch for Chicago as the site of the 2016 Olympics. The International Olympic Committee was apparently so impressed that Chicago didn’t even make the final cut. How do you say “egg on face” in Danish?

P is for profit and earning ratios.

That is what the “smartest president evah” said at a meeting with British PM Gordon Brown in March, 2009. What he presumably meant to say was “price to earnings (P/E) ratio.” It is Econ 101 and if George W. Bush or Sarah Palin said this it would be national news for weeks.

This is the man in charge of the economy of the entire nation, folks. It would almost be like thinking the U.S. Constitution contains the right to abortion, the separation of church and state, and the ability to impose government-run health (s)care via the commerce clause.

Oh, wait ...

Q is for quantative easing (and Q.E. 2!), which has been argued to be a disastrous dollar-destroying idea. Among the most prominent economists against Q.E. was Nobel-Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz. Q.E.2 was even less popular.

Q is also for cinco de quatro!

This was the phrase uttered by the nation’s most brilliant president—who chastises Americans for supposedly being averse to learning foreign languages—when trying to say in Spanish “Fifth of May”.

R is for Otto Raddatz, an Illinois businessman whose name The One invoked while pushing government-run health (s)care in September, 2009.

According to Obama, Raddatz had died earlier that year because his insurance company denied life-saving treatment and pulled his coverage. In truth, while Mr. Raddatz’s treatment (a stem stell transplant) was delayed, the insurance company never dropped him. The treatment he did receive extended his life another three-and-a-half years. So either President Brilliant got all his facts wrong and misspoke or he misrepresented the facts like a sleazy lawyer in order to sell his Obama(doesn’t)Care. You decide.

S is for Sanford and Son.

A week before The One was elected he referenced the 70’s black sitcom “Sanford and Son.” Attempting to channel Foxx’s character Fred Sanford having one of his famous fake heart attacks, Obama yelled, “I’m comin’ to join you, Weezy.” Umm, that would be Elizabeth, genius. Weezy is from “The Jeffersons.”

How in the world can a black guy mess up “Sanford and Son” and “The Jeffersons”!?

If a white Republican like Sarah Palin made that error, they would accused not only of stupidity but also of racism for not knowing enough about black sitcoms. I could just see Maureen Dowd at her little word processor at the NY Times building typing: “To Sarah Palin, all those black T.V. shows look the same to her.”

T is for Teleprompter, without which Obama’s shows his inability to string together two complete sentences.

It is also an electronic mask without which Obama’s radical America-hatred, Marxism-socialism, terrorist-sympathizing anti-Semitism is exposed for all the world to see.

T is also for tornado.

While campaigning in May 2007 he said, “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died—an entire town destroyed.” The actual death count: 12.

U is for umbrella.

Nuf said. Imagine if this was Bush?

V is for The View.

Every morning on ABC TV viewers are treated by three ultra-liberal women (and one quasi-conservative—you know, for balance) gushing like giddy schoolgirls about the smartest president the universe has ever known.

When it comes to their treatment of Sarah Palin, however, suddenly they’re the bitches from “Mean Girls.” Seriously, almost nowhere on TV is there such uninformed, unfettered hate and vitriol. But for some strange reason these cackling hens are feted by the media and Hollywood.

W is for wee-wee’d up.

Nobody ever really made a big deal about this, but think about it: What the &*#$ is this phrase supposed to even mean???

Sorry, don’t have anything for X, Y, Z, but if you have any ideas, please share!

12 posted on 01/25/2012 4:20:09 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ladymac

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

Communism and Obama

The now obvious takeover of the American economy by a Socialist entity is complete. With the majority of the United States Senate voting in favor of a government takeover of our health care system sounds the death knell for American Capitalism and American freedom, and most specifically: American Health Care.

With the new Government Health Care hostile takeover, Americans will lose the ability to choose their own specific options for a plan that fits their budget, and instead will be told by the government what is acceptable for health care coverage by any insurance policy.

If your employer is providing this policy through shared payments through your company’s payroll, your employer will be fined if that policy or plan does not match the government mandates as defined by the new government control. Your employer will be fined thousands of dollars for each employee who is not covered under the plan that your employer voluntarily introduced in the first place for your benefit. This is regardless of whether you are happy with your present coverage or not, the government will determine what is appropriate for you and will demand that you pay the higher fees and premiums necessary to fund the new policy.

Due to this cost increase to existing policies with a fine per employee for each infraction, companies will find it cheaper to eliminate their health care plans entirely and refer their employees to seek out their own personal policy or inform them of a government sponsored health care insurance policy. The individual company that does this will still face the fines for not providing health care for their employees, but that total amount of the fines is smaller than the actual costs of paying the employer benefits amount added to the imposed fines for policies that the government decides is lacking in government approved health care coverage.

If you choose to not have insurance due to your budget or belief that you will not need catastrophic health care for personal reasons, you will be in violation of the law and will be facing a government mandated arrest and several thousand dollars worth of fines to force you to pay for government health care.

If you have an expensive coverage plan already, one where you already have full coverage and can well afford the payments, you will be facing a tax because the new government takeover of healthcare has declared your health care plan to be excessive and they will impose a tax upon your policy and plan and premiums.

In any government run health care system, there is rationing of health care, an intentional rationing of who gets care and when and is independent of the severity of your health condition. While in some cases, a more severe case or condition may expedite health care, the original waiting period to be diagnosed for your condition will be increased to an unhealthy length of time as evidenced in Canada and England.

In this new government controlled health care system, the existing Medicare and Medicaid programs will see a $500 Billion decrease in funding, forcing Medicare and Medicaid to cut costs wherever possible to meet budgets. No one is stupid enough to think that this will not result in fewer services to the infirm and the elderly. Handicapped persons who rely upon Medicare and Medicaid will see their benefits reduced to ensure the financial budget is not overstressed. The elderly will face reduced health care to the point where lifesaving health care will be refused unless someone from the government authorizes your personal health care based upon a government defined definition of what diseases or conditions will be treated based on the present Medicare and Medicaid budget.

In this new government mandated takeover of our health care system, there is what has been termed “Death Panels.” Under the new government takeover of health care, women’s health is severely compromised by the new government refusal to allow coverage for mammograms for women under the age of 50. Men themselves have internal issues that require intrusive procedures such as sygmoid-oscopys which can detect early stages of cancer and this is surely next on their list to restrict an age limit as to when there is health care coverage for such procedures. In a town hall meeting where he face a friendly question from a woman named Jane Sturm, Obama was asked if Mrs. Sturm’s mother would be allowed to receive a pacemaker at age 100 like her mother already did, and Obama ended his obtuse answer by telling her that some people are just going to have to take a pain killer:

This health care bill is the icing on the socialist cake. They will make you pay for it but you won’t get to eat it. I wrote this opinion below in February of 2009. Add in to your thoughts when you read it, that on December 24, 2009, at 0712 E.S.T., our nation became Socialist when they had their 51st vote for Health Care.

May God Have Mercy on America.

Subject: Points to ponder about our new President: Somber reading

As Marines, we did NOT swear an oath to the President in the first sentence, we swore it to the Constitution. Our founding fathers made clear distinctions between the 3 powers of government: Executive, Legislative, and Judicial.

While the President leads, he has the Congress to enact laws and the Court to make sure the law is upheld. For ANY of those three to go AGAINST the Constitution, that is treason itself.

Bush’s enactment of the Patriot Act was to save our country, while Clinton’s spying on her domestic enemies by acquiring over 1800 FBI files on private American citizens was treasonous, illegal, and laughed away as a silly mistake, just like Democrats not paying taxes and becoming Treasury Secretary. To be so bold and blatant against the laws of the country, and to have a political party defend these criminalities is treason in itself.

Our founding fathers gave us the SECOND AMENDMENT for just that reason, that if our government ever became so tyrannical, we the people would have the power to overthrow it if need be, by force, by arms, with guns.

The greatest problem here is the absolute hypocrisy of democrats when it comes to politicians upholding the law. Example: Scooter Libby did NOT reveal Valerie Plame’s name to the media, Democrat Richard Armitage did and the special counsel knew that on the 3rd day of the trial from Robert Novak, yet the Special Counsel pushed and pushed until he found Libby make a mis-statement so he could hang someone in the Bush administration for something.

That is a complete political abuse of power. When we compare the crimes of the Clinton administration against Bush, Bush is a boy scout, yet Bush never prosecuted Clinton for sending missile technology to China in exchange for campaign donations, never prosecuted Clinton for allowing Iran to arm the KLA in Serbia against UN resolutions while the rest of the world was stunned, never prosecuted Clinton for allowing the war against Serbia in the first place since it was the Serbs fighting against MUSLIMS who were slaughtering Serbs that started the whole thing over there.

The list goes on.

It is the Democrats who had over a dozen personnel who were known Soviet Spies in the Roosevelt Administration, proven by the Venona papers;

The democrats who defended Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for decades after their execution only to have their other spy friend and conspirator, Morton Sobell, admit on his death bed 3 months ago that they actually did it;,0,864776.story

And not just nuclear secrets, too, but according to the article cited: “Not only did they try their best to give the Soviets top atomic secrets from the Manhattan Project, they succeeded in handing over top military data on sonar and on radar that was used by the Russians to shoot down American planes in the Korean and Vietnam wars.” Books have been written about the democrat’s complicity with Soviet policies and plans by men such as John Stormer,

FDR’s reckless economics and corruption detailed by John Flynn

This dalliance with Communism is also Obama’s favorite topic apparently.

The democrat platform is almost identical to the Communist Party Goals:

The democrats want to take over your 401K...ITS YOUR MONEY:

Obama supporters flew the Soviet Flag in DC when protesting:

Obama plainly stated that he will allow a company to build a coal plant, but that he intends to cause them such absurd costs to keep it environmentally friendly that it will intentionally bankrupt the company trying to build it:

Audio of Obama declaring he wants to redistribute the wealth JUST LIKE COMMUNISTS do:

The Democrats SOCIALISTS had a dinner where Obama was lead speaker:

Internet Archives confirmed Obama was a member of the openly Socialist NEW PARTY of Illinois in 1996:

Obama’s economic team says they want to create jobs that intentionally exclude White males:

Democrat Barney Frank has openly called for a cap on all wages of all Americans, regardless of them being an employee or owner of a company, yet did not suggest a cap on Senators or Congressmen:

Obama lied to the Illinois Court system when he was asked if he ever went by any other name. His real name was Barry Soetoro in Indonesia:

While campaigning in New Hampshire, Obama cancelled the singing of the national Anthem to make room for more ‘speakers’:

Obama clearly said he wants a Civilian Security force as well funded as the Military.

That is what every secret police force ever started like in all dictatorships, such as: Nicaragua: Ortega’s “Councils of Citizen Power”; Cuba: Fidel’s “Committees For Defense of the Revolution”; Panama: Noriega’s “Dignity Battalions”; Venezuela Chavez’s “Popular Defense Units”; Haiti Papa Doc’s National Security Volunteers, commonly called the Tonton Macoutes; China Mao’s Red Guards; Iran: Ayatollah’s Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution; USSR: Soviet Komsomol or “Communist Union of Youth”:

Recent documents and proclamations of his own President-Elect status show his agenda is similar to Soviet/Nazi history in their control and organization of the youth and the population. The following is a Communist Youth program information found here:

”Of all other tasks, some of the outstanding ones are outlined. The widest degree of activity of the youth in the class struggles of the day is imperative, it goes without saying. Nevertheless, it would be a decidedly short-sighted and opportunistic approach if the communist youth movement allowed itself to be involved, under pressure or pretexts of all sorts, in all kinds of routine activity, and to be made into a wagging or running tail of other bodies, political, trade union, etc. in order to achieve a name for ”activities”. There are some, perhaps, who believe that this very routine work, doing some of the distasteful work for the adult comrades, is the task of the youth. But it is in the communist youth organization that the youth (young worker or student) must make their major opportunity to learn thoroughly the fundamental principles and theory of the communist movement, its history, etc. in order really to be prepared for intelligent participation and leadership, at a later period, in the adult organization, the Party. It has to be said plainly that in the adult organization, the opportunities are often too limited for serious and necessary study by the ranks. Lack of time and the need to carry through numberless concrete tasks after working hours are the main reasons therefore.

The adult members have to place a great reliance, perhaps too much, on experience and the theoretical back-ground can or should to a large degree be obtained by the youth in the years they are apart of the communist youth organization. This knowledge, coupled with their activities otherwise, will serve as a strong safeguard against opportunism and adventurism. In the above sense, the slogan of Clarity and Action sums up the attitude of the communist youth. While stressing education and class struggle activity, a youth movement, communist or otherwise, cannot live by these alone, especially so if the communist youth organization is to attract the wider strata of the youth to its own banner or around its bona-fide sympathetic auxiliary bodies. Social, sport, and cultural activities need to be systematically developed. The youth movement needs to build its dramatic and musical groups and like mediums which attract the youth. It can be done; who says otherwise needlessly narrows the possibilities for rallying youth elements to the communist cause through diverse methods. Particularly must the communist youth foster a broad workers’ sport movement of which it must be a guiding participant. The insidious and malevolent influence of the bourgeois sport movements, both professional and amateur is immense, and systematic efforts are required to counter-act this influence on the mass of American youth. A general social and cultural life, in addition to the basic tasks outlined before, ill tend to attract young workers and students around us. If the new forces are approached sympathetically, made to realize our genuineness, they will either join the communist youth organization, or at least remain sympathetic, even if not ready to accept the entire outlook of Communism. Numerous other tasks for the youth can be posed, but space forbids.”

Obama has openly called for a national police force stronger than the American Military:

Obama’s campaign clearly tried to silence dissent of any criticism of Obama while claiming his higher moral authority, going so far as to claiming Obama is THE MESSIAH, and to even threaten to arrest and serve lawsuits against persons who argue against policies proposed by candidate Obama:

When visiting troops overseas, Obama refused to meet with wounded troops in Germany and also Afghanistan, something NO responsible politician would ever do, even if he was just pandering for votes, they would have visited the wounded troops:,1518,567821,00.html

Obama openly praises a racist pastor whose church he attended for over 20 years:

Obama openly makes racist jokes that his white half will be confused as whom to vote for:

Obama’s prayer leaders at his inauguration included someone associated with Islamic terror group HAMAS:

Obama has been publicly supported by known terrorist states and their leaders:
Ali Larijani, the hard-line speaker of the Iranian parliament, Ahmed Yousef from HAMAS, Muammar Gaddafi

Percy Sutton (Malcolm X’s Lawyer) Says Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Advisor Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour:

There were a number of known, public, and extremely violent terrorist organizations that openly endorsed Obama. Would they have endorsed a Republican Conservative?

Mohammed Al-Churbaji, Dad of Obama Fundraiser, worked for Azzam, Bin Laden.

Public supporter of Obama Jodie Evans, co-founder of CODE PINK and a top financier of the Obama for President campaign, openly donated hundreds of thousands of dollars and publicly stated their support for Al Qaeda and insurgent forces in Afghanistan and Iraq:

Obama traveled to Africa and openly campaigned with his cousin, Raila Odinga who lost the election, and whose followers murdered hundreds when he lost and burned down over 100 churches and zero Mosques:

We are dealing with someone who wants to take over our present system of economics and openly said we need to redistribute the wealth of private citizens:

Obama supports destroying our present system of civil rights, and even change our Constitution as he plainly said when he said it was a flawed document.

In conclusion, we are dealing with a man whose associations include but are not limited to the following:

1.) Kenyan opposition candidates whose followers murdered hundreds when he lost and burned down over 100 churches and zero Mosques.

2.) Domestic terrorists who murdered up to 6 Americans in bombings, robberies, shootings and other murders to include Police Officers and the bombing of civilian houses own and occupied by a Lawyer and family who thankfully escaped death that night.

3.) Proven 20 years of association with a racist theologian and the associations that go along with that man and theologian; the standard blame white America first sentiment, regardless of how true it was 150 years ago, the changes made in our own lifetime are disregarded and only demand more.

4.) His own family’s statements of what his supposed moral foundation is and how his own statements declare that he will side with a religion that is historically known to kill their opponents first and refuse to negotiate until their opponents are subdued and begging for mercy.

5.) His campaign received millions of dollars that are untraceable to the original donors, and of the millions that are traceable that came from overseas, a FEDERAL CRIME, and how his campaign removed the Credit Card checking of names and account numbers to verify the credit cards were valid.

6.) His association with known supporters of Islamic Terrorism, of groups known as Hamas and Hizbullah.

7.) Of his party’s refusal to demand he release his personal records for examination by the American people so as to know the candidate better, while they themselves have a history to demand documents from 40 years ago that pertained to President Bush. His party’s refusal to demand the Military records of John Kerry and the College records of Barak Obama are a part of his political party’s hypocrisy.

8.) The re-introduction of THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, a form of censorship written by the Democrats to silence the effects of Talk Radio. NOT ONCE has the Democrat Party ever referred to the massive ideological outnumbering of Liberals to Conservatives in the mainstream media, and only refer to ‘fairness’ when considering Talk Radio and the Internet. Obama staffers have also made statements that they desired a censoring of the Internet.,0,3448325.story

As anyone knows, who has been paying attention, this can only mean Conservative Talk Radio and open Internet communication. Knowing that Obama associate Bill Ayers freely referred to Saul Alinsky, and Knowing that the writings off Saul Alinsky openly promote Communism and radical overthrow, who dedicated his book RULES FOR RADICALS to SATAN only confirms what I call the criminality of this administration.

We all took a vow to protect and defend the Constitution of The United States of America, Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic...Will Obama be a Patriot after all or an enemy of the Constitution is a sad question that the informed can only be saddened to think of the answer.

So, just what is treason then? Overthrowing our entire economic system to one that is proven to have failed worldwide is treason or is it Americanism? Submitting to and apologizing to Islamic terrorists who have repeatedly threatened to KILL US, ME AND YOU if we don’t become Muslim? Is that Treason? or Americanism? Taking ALL YOUR MONEY in the bank to be kept by the government to use as the government sees fit, is that treason or Americanism?

Jim Bancroft
Feb 3, 2009; UPDATED December 25, 2009
USMC 1977-1981

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory
is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and
only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of
victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. WINSTON CHURCHILL

13 posted on 01/25/2012 4:20:28 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: USNA74

The behavior of his DoJ is certainly criminal(Fast and Furious, Philadelphia Black Panthers, Voter ID, etc). Though of course in an argument with a Lefty, Evil is an amorphous concept which twists in any way to suit them so it should be avoided.

14 posted on 01/25/2012 4:20:43 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: ladymac

Sorry for the spam...


15 posted on 01/25/2012 4:20:48 AM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: ladymac

He fought against a law having drs. on hand for late term abortions. Some babies are born alive on “botched” late term abortions and are not given any medical help. They even had a nurse testify before his committee (in Illinois) that the babies born alive are basically thrown in a closet until they die. He wasn’t effected and still voted and voiced his opinion against the drs. being there. If the baby is born alive, too bad for him/her.

Is that evil enough??? Good luck with your liberal friend..

16 posted on 01/25/2012 4:21:09 AM PST by mrsadams
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To: ladymac

You can not argue with a nitwit, all your ammunition is out there, it is hopeless to try.

17 posted on 01/25/2012 4:23:32 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: ladymac

Walking over 2,500 weapons to Mexican drug cartels, abandonment of our borders, prevent the States from protecting their citizens from illegals, counting illegals as citizens in our census, spending that will bankrupt us and reduce our country to Greece, dividing the people into various groups and provoking them to be continually at each other’s throats, purposeful depreciation of our currency, wholesale disregard of our Constitution through executive orders which render him a dictator, opposing voter ID laws, ordering insurance companies to provide “free services,” . . .

A complete list would be many times longer than the charges we listed against George III in our Declaration.

18 posted on 01/25/2012 4:24:13 AM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: ladymac

His past is one big blank. He has spent millions in legal fees ensuring that past remains buried. He seemingly came out of nowhere....from the Chicago Machine....with direct ties to a known terrorist (Bill Ayers) and an America-hating, racist preacher (Rev. Jeremiah Wright). He has known gay contacts/encounters and even admits to some heavy coke use in the past. He lies consistently. He kowtows to our sworn enemies. He embraces Islam while consistently trampling on the Constitution. He clearly loathes everything America stands for and wants to tear it all down....and “rebuild” it in the sick, twisted image of the Alinskyites (by his own admission).

Yes, he’s evil to the core. He’s a fraud, a puppet (Soros and others)....a useful idiot.

19 posted on 01/25/2012 4:24:30 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: ladymac
just listen, SNL alumnus Victoria Jackson says it best
20 posted on 01/25/2012 4:24:38 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Agreed. Anyone who is aware of the concept of “evil” already knows Obama is. You might aim a little lower, perhaps he is “not American” or against “America as founded” - or maybe just go for text book socialist.

21 posted on 01/25/2012 4:33:39 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: ladymac
The “Death Panels” in Obamacare are certainly evil—cost conscious and lack of A conscious liberal bureaucrats determining whether it is “fiscally efficacious” for your grandma to stay alive.

Evil is one moral concept that actually exists in the real world because certain acts and behaviors are so hateful and harmful secular reasoning cannot adequately fathom them.

Misanthropy—the hating of humanity is one of the greatest evils and acting upon this sickness of spirit even worse.

Coldly ending and ending the beginning of human life is the prime directive of evil and Obama is steeped in it.

22 posted on 01/25/2012 4:34:37 AM PST by Happy Rain ("The TSA" teaching fed thugs to oppress and the oppressed to get used to it.")
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To: ladymac

Facts wont help in an argument with a liberal.

23 posted on 01/25/2012 4:36:10 AM PST by libh8er
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To: ladymac

Hink, it’s a waste of your time, nothing you can say will sway them, nothing.

24 posted on 01/25/2012 4:37:04 AM PST by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican elites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: ladymac

just point out how he has ignored the people since getting in like obamacare which most do not want and BTW you can tell them that I’m from the Uk and I know Govt health care and it’;s crap.

Try selling guns to the drug lords, try 5 tril of debt more than Bush in 8 years, try black panthers, try green energy tax payers scam to donors, if they say he’;s mart ask what grades did he get because no one has seen them, no one know much about him , try his book where he said he hung around with black radicals, radicals, chicanos IN ORDER TO NOT BE A SELL OUT .

Then say that in my book puts him as evil for this country because the country is being ignored and fooled and only those who worship him now are being duped

25 posted on 01/25/2012 4:49:32 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: ladymac

The best Obama exposure site on the net.

. The United States Library Of Congress has selected for inclusion in its historic collection of internet materials.

26 posted on 01/25/2012 4:57:19 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: ladymac

The Obama File contains everything we know about Obama
all in one place- and backed up by links.
You need look no further..a researcher’s paradise.

27 posted on 01/25/2012 5:06:22 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

No; the use of the word “evil” is not over the top.

Obama bases his entire approach to government upon a Marxist/socialist theory of class struggle. It is evil in two ways (and I pick only two for brevity’s sake) which are easily explainable and rely upon the “facts” of the policies Obama advances.

Class warfare - Obama preaches that the rich are not entitled to keep the fruits of their labor (or the labor of their wealth). This is envy and evil (”thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s.”). Jesus preached a parable against spiritual envy (Matthew 20:1-16), and likewise it is evil to envy the worldly treasure that others have, let alone base a principal of governance upon it. Of course I have based my objection on Judo-Christian moral precepts but envy is equally condemned by other ethicial systems as unfair and unwise. To forestall a future pointless argument note that the Christian obligation of Charity does NOT equate with progressive taxation in that Charity is, and must be, a voluntary act; an act of free will- otherwise it is meaningless.

The Entitlement Culture. Obama is a proponent of “positive” rights. He advocates a government which guarantees a right to medical care, a right to a living wage, a right to adequate food and a right to shelter. These rights have the inevitiable result of State tax servitude for all those who do work. Slavery is evil and the fact that one labor’s for the unjust enrichment of rich plantation owners or the poor masses makes no difference - it is theft of labor accomplished by the monopoly of State violence and evil.

These two principles are evil in both theory and application. Obama advances both of these openly and is proud of his positions (no argument that he does these things).

28 posted on 01/25/2012 5:16:18 AM PST by Dogrobber
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To: ladymac

Why bother? Zerobots are under a “strong delusion”. Do something productive. Reload more ammo. That is something you may need.

29 posted on 01/25/2012 5:18:13 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ladymac

Hit your friend with the truth...

30 posted on 01/25/2012 5:18:35 AM PST by MeekMom (
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To: ladymac

Give up! Liberals do not have the capacity to independently think, rationalize, analyze, or make decisions by themselves.

Furthermore, they don’t watch or read unfiltered news.

Give up and talk to someone that is not a zombie.

31 posted on 01/25/2012 5:24:52 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: ladymac

Given your lack of time and the obvious lack of intelligence of the libtard you are having a discussion with, I'd keep things very simple ... like posting a copy of the Pee Wee Wee Wee.

32 posted on 01/25/2012 5:28:29 AM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: ladymac

You went down the wrong road with your argument. Arguing whether someone is “evil” is, in fact, an aporia (an argument for which there is no definite conclusion, no right or wrong).

If I were going to argue that he supports an evil agenda, I would simply point to the fact that while he was Senator of IL, he took to the floor not once, not twice, but three times to argue in defense of a piece of legislation that would require doctors who botch an abortion to wheel the living baby on a gurney into a supply closet to force the child of die.

I would then let my opponent try to defend how such an act is not evil.

33 posted on 01/25/2012 5:32:38 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Ron Paul is the Lyndon Larouche of the 21st century.))
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To: ladymac
Those who deny it do not have a proper grasp of the concept of evil and you cannot imbue it upon them. No way to win. You might do better by asking some hypothetical that will suck them into stating they think something is right or wrong and have examples of how Obama goes against their values to reply with - sort of the “gotcha” approach. It will only serve to piss them off, so you still have an unsatisfying "victory".
34 posted on 01/25/2012 5:36:35 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Dogrobber

I believe Obammie the Commie is, in fact, evil.

But, from the perspective of formal logic, it was a bad start to a debate. An aporia is an argument that cannot be settled one way or another because opinion or the unknown enters the debate. Two people arguing whether a third is “good” or “evil” is an aporia.

A better approach from the perspective of formal debate would be to list specific actions that the third person took (that you believe to be evil) and to force your opponent to try to defend them as good. Your opponent will be reluctant to do so, because they will be forced to support what they believe to be evil and will avoid the argument, which will become their weakness.

See my other post for my example using his support of legislation that would require doctors in IL who botch abortions to let a living child starve to death.

35 posted on 01/25/2012 5:37:31 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Ron Paul is the Lyndon Larouche of the 21st century.))
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To: ladymac

“[Montesquieu wrote in Spirit of the Laws, VIII,c.12:] ‘When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.’” — Thomas Jefferson: copied into his Commonplace Book

36 posted on 01/25/2012 5:40:36 AM PST by alrea
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To: gunsequalfreedom; ladymac

“Evil” is over the top in our society, but you can prove how he (and all leftists) are anti-Christian.

You can step through the ten commandments and show how the policies and platform of the left are in diametric opposition to all of God’s commandments.

Start with the easy ones, go from #10 down.
Their whole political ideology is centered around coveting.

37 posted on 01/25/2012 5:41:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ladymac
In this day of internet tracking... Well, most do not care if they are on a "watch list" of some kind...

I will let my argument be this: I choose not to go into great detail on my opinions and beliefs about our current Res-i- dent, for reasons of potential personal security.

38 posted on 01/25/2012 5:46:48 AM PST by txnuke
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To: ladymac

He has increased the national debt more than every president from Washington to Clinton.
That means your children’s children will be paying - literally - for his folly.
That’s pretty evil. Especially as a likely outcome of that situation will be war (the only viable way to resolve untenable national debt is either steal from others on an international scale, or kill the creditors).

39 posted on 01/25/2012 5:51:20 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals:
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To: RaceBannon

Great research here RB

40 posted on 01/25/2012 5:53:26 AM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: ladymac

Play the State of the Union address backwards.

41 posted on 01/25/2012 5:53:56 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: ladymac
Obama channels Sir Winston Churchill....

Churchill to his war cabinet on strategy to defeat the Nazis:

1. Destroy the means of refining and distribution of petroleum.

2. Destroy the means of production and distribution of electricity starting with coal mining.

3. Destroy manufacturing capacity starting with ball bearing factories.

Later he would authorize terrorizing the civilian population starting with fire bombing Dresden.

Obama continues his war on the American people.

42 posted on 01/25/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by spokeshave (Mitt will release his tax returns when 0bambi releases his Birth Certificate and grades)
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To: ladymac

It would be better to argue that Barry’s failed policies are ruining the country.

43 posted on 01/25/2012 5:57:33 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I disagree that what is “evil” is either an opinion or unknowable in practical terms. Evil is objectively definable in everyday language. Killing children is evil. Slavery is evil. An appeal to envy, and the emotions and conflict it generates, is evil.

One significant failing of apologetics, philosophers and logisticians is the tendency to focus on the minutia of argument in disfavor to the obvious - i.e. the trees instead of the forest. Doing this concedes things which need not be conceded; most specifically the objective nature of “evil” rather than a subjective definition. In perfect theoritical argument what is “evil” IS an opinion or objectively unknowable. In the real world it is not.

44 posted on 01/25/2012 6:00:58 AM PST by Dogrobber
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To: ladymac

45 posted on 01/25/2012 6:16:54 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: Dogrobber

Leftists have this pattern (though they’d deny the pattern)

of taking a pattern of behavior, and declaring the behaviors to be unrelated to, or not evidence of, the larger pattern, and declare them to be “isolated incidents”.

46 posted on 01/25/2012 6:18:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Dogrobber

Here’s another way of proving the “evil” of the left.
God’s Law.

You can go through the “Big 10” and easily demonstrate how the left is opposed to all of them.

10 - Liberal ideology and socialism are based on envy.
9 - “you’ll be better off if we take what the rich have”, “you don’t have because they do have”
8 - And we’ll use violence (ie, government) to steal what they have
7 - Adultery? Have at it! Sex Positive!
6 - Don’t kill the convicted murderer, but that innocent baby in the womb? Go for it, you’ll be better off without it (see 9)
5 - Your parents don’t know as much as you and your teachers do. Pay attention to us, not them.
4 - Sabbath Day? What’s that?
3 - @@#$%@#! @#&$*@!!!
2 - hmmmm... do they worship “graven” images? Movie/TV stars perhaps?
1 - is there anything that DOESN’T come before the one true God with these people?

47 posted on 01/25/2012 6:19:13 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ladymac

“Evil” is a religious term, not a political one. Are you arguing religion?

48 posted on 01/25/2012 6:31:00 AM PST by Clara Lou (nObama, noRomney (Obama-lite), noPaul-- Santorum in a pinch)
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To: MrB

Great list!

49 posted on 01/25/2012 6:40:05 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: ladymac
I'm involved with an argument on facebook with a liberal.

Drop it. Even if you "win" with facts it will devolve into juvenile name-calling.

50 posted on 01/25/2012 6:47:53 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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