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Newt Gingrich on self-deportation "Romney shows no concern for 'Humanity' of illegals"
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Posted on 01/25/2012 9:45:33 AM PST by VU4G10

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To: Lady Lucky

Newt proposing amnesty will only encourage more illegal immigration and only make a very bad problem worse. No talk, no proposals until the border is secured and the laws are being enforced, period. Newt will regret proposing amnesty for illegals.


51 posted on 01/25/2012 12:26:13 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Lady Lucky

I just read it again at your recommendation. Pie in the sky BS, the end of the excellent E-verify program and amnesty.

No thanks.

Management at FR would like us to refrain from knocking Newt for the time being so I’ll decline further responding on this subject.


52 posted on 01/25/2012 12:37:42 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: dforest

I know and rightly so. I was one of the those doing the excoriating.


53 posted on 01/25/2012 12:40:07 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: jpsb

He is NOT proposing amnesty. Read it at newt.org.


54 posted on 01/25/2012 12:42:09 PM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: Jane Long

To be accurate, he said that Romney lived in a world of “Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million a year income with no work”.

Romney has offshore accounts. On the other hand, I don’t like the suggestion that people who earn dividends and capital gains on their investments “do no work”. That is definitely OWS language, not conservative language. Conservatives have never been against enojoying the fruits of your labors.

If Gingrich was attacking any other republican this way, it would be easier to complain about it.


55 posted on 01/25/2012 12:44:20 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: free me

“Management at FR would like us to refrain from knocking Newt for the time being so I’ll decline further responding on this subject.”

My response to Newts position on immigration is the same as management’s: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2811255/posts?page=52#52


56 posted on 01/25/2012 12:47:23 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Parley Baer


“This is the 10% of [Newt’s] immigration policy I don’t care for.”

I don’t care for the 80% part.

80% of new immigrant citizens vote for the Democratic Party.


57 posted on 01/25/2012 12:50:05 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Prokopton

I believe, because it hurts to think otherwise, that most Freepers understand they are making a profound sacrifice supporting Newt Gingrich. The goal is laudable — stop Mitt Romney. I wish they’d just admit that this is what drives the argument, rather than trying to justify the unjustifiable statements.

Hell, even when I was at my most adamant in defending Romney back in 2008, I never once told anybody else they were wrong to vote against him, or faulted them for not believing what Romney was saying. Whoever we pick is going to be a flawed candidate, as CONSERVATIVE Mark Steyn said yesterday on Rush’s show, and we just have to accept that, but it does us no good to deny it and pretend otherwise.

I’ve never seen conservatives so excited about defending a guy based on what he did back in 1983, while ignoring the past 3 years, or what was said last week. On the other hand, I wasn’t here in 2000 when apparently there were big fights over George Bush.


58 posted on 01/25/2012 12:50:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lady Lucky

I was all over this issue the first time Newt brought it up and cratered in the polls. Enforcement now, secure the border now, then once that is done maybe we can talk. This is bedrock conservative principles. If Newt wants to lose conservatives there is no better way to do that then proposing amnesty for illegals before enforcement is even tried. Newt voted for the 86 amnesty, which was sold as a ONE TIME ONLY amnesty and now without ever trying enforcing our laws he wants another amnesty? I think not.


59 posted on 01/25/2012 12:51:25 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Lady Lucky

Actually, in this thread, conservatives seem more to be complaining that Gingrich is calling them inhumane, not that he disagrees with them.

Gingrich may have a rational plan. That doesn’t mean he has to attack those who disagree with him as being inhumane, or call them “anti-immigrant” as if they don’t like any foreigners.


60 posted on 01/25/2012 12:56:18 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: icwhatudo

I’m with you!

Alas, management’s position has become more refined lately:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2837709/posts

It’s the least I can do to comply, as I owe him for giving us FR.


61 posted on 01/25/2012 12:56:51 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: free me

Don’t feel bad, I did too.


62 posted on 01/25/2012 12:57:01 PM PST by dforest
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To: ml/nj
All those concerned for the "humanity of illegals," should be looking to run a boat service between the US an Bangladesh, and maybe sharing all their food with the people after they get off the boat. They're human too.

And all those principled conservatives who are against socialism should endorse only the candidate who proposed to end all govt freebies IMMEDIATELY. No more public education, Medicare, Social Security, welfare, foreign aid, nothing that is redistributed from the taxpayer to the recipient who didn't earn it. If such a candidate could be found, and elected, the country would go up in flames. But the country be damned, let's have a principled conservative with zero tolerance for socialism. None of that gradualist crap! Let the ideal and the perfect be the enemy of the good.

While we're at it let's take another page from the febrile French Revolution, wear funny hats and transport the aliens in tumbrel carts.

63 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:03 PM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: free me

Agreed. This is Jim’s site and he has made his decision. We don’t have to agree, but we do have to obey the rules that he sets. I hope we can stop Romney and if Newt is the only one who can do it than I’m on board (holding my nose).


64 posted on 01/25/2012 1:05:28 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: dforest; DoughtyOne; Pan_Yans Wife

Now I am really confused, is there a PAC funded by illegals or something? :)


65 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:51 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: VU4G10

Remember that Reagan gave blanket amnesty.. there is this desire of Republicans to supply an excess labor pool to suppress wages and of democrats to import votes.. we are done guys..

BTW newt keeps talking about the illegals that went to your church.. that is IF you are RC ..cause in cal they are host to as many illegals as they can fill the pews with.. so this is an Rc position


66 posted on 01/25/2012 1:09:15 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sickoflibs

I doubt it, but desperation makes for some strange bedfellows.

Once the desperation sets in, you start to make feel good excuses for abandoning one principle after another until you become all that you don’t like.

It kind of works like that.


67 posted on 01/25/2012 1:17:56 PM PST by dforest
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To: VU4G10

If Newt doesn’t stop pandering to illegals, I will sit out the election, if he is the nominee. I will NOT support another candidate who supports illegals-PERIOD!

This includes ANY candidate of any party.


68 posted on 01/25/2012 1:18:56 PM PST by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: lakewood conservative
“I am proud to say I support none of this lot of Republican hacks we have right now before us”

Unfortunately, I (almost) completely agree. I will vote for the Republican nominee (unless it is Ron Paul), but as of now my energies will be focused on the down-ticket races.

69 posted on 01/25/2012 1:42:36 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: dforest; DoughtyOne; Pan_Yans Wife

The “Undocumented American workers for Change” PAC ???


70 posted on 01/25/2012 1:42:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: dforest; DoughtyOne; Pan_Yans Wife

The “Undocumented American workers for Change” PAC ???


71 posted on 01/25/2012 1:42:49 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: dforest; DoughtyOne; Pan_Yans Wife

The “Undocumented American workers for Change” PAC ???


72 posted on 01/25/2012 1:42:56 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: dforest

Then I was in good company.


73 posted on 01/25/2012 1:47:18 PM PST by free me (heartless=no humanity)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I believe, because it hurts to think otherwise, that most Freepers understand they are making a profound sacrifice supporting Newt Gingrich. The goal is laudable — stop Mitt Romney. I wish they’d just admit that this is what drives the argument, rather than trying to justify the unjustifiable statements.

I agree. Some appear to have the need to be supporting a "great" candidate with positive attributes that would fill a book when they are actually supporting a very flawed "survivor" who would not have passed the laugh test a year ago. As you said, supporting Gingrich because he is better than Romney is an understandable position, to make him into a "conservative" savior is not.

74 posted on 01/25/2012 1:56:37 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: BillyBoy; cripplecreek; fieldmarshaldj; Liz; Impy; South40; AuH2ORepublican; Darren McCarty

Wow, this position is to the left of Romney.


75 posted on 01/25/2012 3:49:24 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: jpsb

I have to agree.

I will vote for the one who is least soft on illegal immigration.

The candidates should save their soft spot for legal immigrants, who followed the law and stood in line, some for many years, for the privilege of American citizenship.


76 posted on 01/25/2012 4:14:17 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Character Counts)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You have taken a very reasonable position.

Still, I wish all of the flaws of all of the candidates were open for honest discussion.


77 posted on 01/25/2012 4:17:49 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Character Counts)
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To: RnMomof7

This is not a universal Catholic position on immigration.

The Catholic Church teaches that we must engage in commutative and distributive acts of justice.

It is unjust to accept those who have broken the laws of the land to get here and stay here.

California Catholics have been misled by extreme left-wing Bishops and Cardinals for decades.


78 posted on 01/25/2012 4:22:58 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Character Counts)
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To: lakewood conservative

“Everyday I wonder why in this great country we cannot find a principled conservative who is also a leader.”

My thoughts exactly.


79 posted on 01/25/2012 4:34:42 PM PST by brydic1
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To: VU4G10; Liz; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

My best guess is Newt is talking to Republican Hispanic voters in the next battle Florida with this approach.


80 posted on 01/25/2012 4:45:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Jane Long
Newt is right. "Self-deportation" by someone who has lived here for many years, has family here, and no ties to the former land of his birth, will not "self-deport." That is the kind of static thinking that liberals use when they believe all they have to do to raise more money is raise taxes on rich people--as if rich people are wooden cigar-store Indians who will just stand there and let the gubmint pick their pockets.

They likewise apparently believe someone who has made a life here will just tear it all up and disappear to go to a land they don't even know, just because some flunkie says they have to. Gimme a break.

Now, if you are talking about some footloose kid who just crossed the border some months or a couple years ago, and who has no ties here, and can't find work all of a sudden, then sure, self-deportation will occur, as it has the last couple years. He will pack up and go home to his family until things here improve. But that's not the population we are discussing.

81 posted on 01/25/2012 6:09:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback


82 posted on 01/25/2012 6:10:50 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: sickoflibs; cripplecreek
Is Somos Republicans spanish for "Undocumented American workers for Change PAC"?

Hispanic GOP Group Endorses Gingrich

Hat tip cripplecreek.

83 posted on 01/25/2012 6:28:32 PM PST by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." --Kool-Aid)
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To: lakewood conservative

we do have the talent, they just don’t have the stomach for it and I don’t blame them. The last thing I would want my family to go through is a media colonoscopy and the oppo research interviewing everyone I ever lived with to find out how I failed to tip the paper boy in 1988 and I cheated on a girlfriend in 1990 versus where I stand on issues that people care about.
There is a reason why a Mormon is the favorite of some of the party elites. There is no personal background garbage that will pop-up like DWIs..
The good thing about Newt, Sarah and Hillary for the democrats is that everything that can be said, has been said and they just don’t give a damn.. and the public is tired of it.

It’s sad.


84 posted on 01/25/2012 6:31:09 PM PST by newnhdad (Soylent green is people..)
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To: skaterboy

Yea fence with moat and landmines with warning sign in english!


85 posted on 01/25/2012 7:25:16 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: montag813

The only dreamer is youoooo!


86 posted on 01/25/2012 7:26:36 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: VU4G10

Newt, they are just as human if they are in Mexico and in Mexico they are legal. They need to go home.


87 posted on 01/25/2012 7:34:14 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: sickoflibs; VU4G10; Liz
My best guess is Newt is talking to Republican Hispanic voters in the next battle Florida with this approach.

Makes sense. But in the general election, it would be tougher to convince "less conservative" Hispanics to vote for the GOP. And even more or less "conservative" Hispanics can be tricky. I'll bet Newt and Mitt have Rubio on speed dial.

88 posted on 01/25/2012 8:31:20 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: montag813

Is this a dream?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epqCtkiknyA

and this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec_Nunb6izo

how about Michael Reagan endorsing Newt and Alan West Congressman from Florida. Fred Thompson from Tennessee?


89 posted on 01/25/2012 10:30:32 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: BufordP; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; VU4G10; Liz; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; calcowgirl; ...
Thanks to the answer to my prior posted question:
Now I am really confused, is there a PAC funded by illegals or something? The “Undocumented American workers for Change” PAC ???

Obvious Answer : Hispanic GOP Group Endorses Gingrich

He's pretty easy to read if you know what to look for.

90 posted on 01/25/2012 11:55:11 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; randita; fieldmarshaldj

All I’ll say is I’m for Santorum.

Did you guys see the debate last night? I watched the whole thing. Wolf Blitzer was like a drunk father encouraging his sons to fight.


91 posted on 01/27/2012 5:46:54 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: dalereed

As long as it Rick Perry didn’t say it, I guess it’s OK.


92 posted on 01/27/2012 5:49:36 AM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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