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Mitch Daniels Delivers Terrific Speech
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | January 25, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 01/25/2012 11:58:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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RUSH: You know, the response to the State of the Union last night is getting more positive reaction than the State of the Union speech itself. Mitch Daniels. And I have to tell you, other than his opening when he started, I said, "Oh, no, no, no, please." Then I started thanking God that nobody was watching 'cause it's a response that's, you know, 15 minutes after the State of the Union speech. But after he got through the open, it was good. It was really, really good. Mitch Daniels was really, really good in his response last night. Take away the first minute and a half, I was having panic attack in the first minute and a half, talking about how much we have to respect and love the presidency and respect and love Obama. He's a nice guy and all that sort of stuff.

But then, after getting that, that was perfunctory as it turned out, after getting that out of the way, he was called an extremist, he didn't use the word liar, but Mitch Daniels called Obama a liar in the classiest way I've ever heard it done. He called him pro-poverty. He articulated conservatism pretty well, really did. And at the end of it -- I knew this was gonna happen, too. I knew this was gonna happen. They went to the Fox All-Stars, and they went to Dr. Krauthammer of Krauthammer online.com, or Krauthammer review, whatever it is. And he said that there are no doubt people sighing with desire or something after watching Mitch Daniels. I guarantee you that out there in the Republican establishment there were people, kind of like what Madonna was doing when JFK Jr. married Carolyn Bessette, "Oh, no, what if? If only me." I guarantee you, the Republican establishment right now is trying to figure out a way to make it happen.

Remember, before the State of the Union show, we had a story on Monday, the headline story was "Establishment hoping to find a way to get Mitch Daniels back in the game." Well, I know his wife said no, but things change. I'm not predicting it. In fact, the unconventional wisdom is that it can't happen, it's unlikely to happen. It's way too late now anyway as a matter of law within the party, party rules, not so much law, party rules, the delegates are pledged. But there are people holding out hope. There were people holding out hope there would be anybody but Romney or Gingrich before last night. Now in Mitch Daniels' response, I got Cookie working on putting together some bites for you in case you'd missed it and didn't hear it.

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RUSH: Let's listen to some Mitch Daniels sound bites. He did the response. This has created... Oh, you cannot imagine what's going on in the Republican establishment since last night into this morning and up to the present. There is... I don't quite know how to describe it. It's not quite buyer's remorse. There's just, "Oh, what if! Oh, if only," and then, "How can we maneuver things to get rid of these guys that are currently running and get this guy to say yes?"

There is such a mixture of disappointment yet anticipation and excitement about what could have been. It is near orgasmic on the establishment side. This is, "If we only ran..." (interruption) Well, but, see, when to look at... (interruption) No, no, no. It's not, "If we only ran a conservative." The Republican establishment doesn't look at Daniels as a conservative. It's why the speech was good but they don't look at him as a conservative. They look at him as a one of them, a moderate. They see him as a moderate. He's strong conservative on budget matters, but outside of that? "No, no, he's not an extremist racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe who appeals to the NASCAR hicks who are pro-life." (interruption)

Well, he called Obama an "extremist" but he did in a polite way after praising Obama first. Now, here's how Mitch Daniels opened. We don't have that. I'm gonna read that to you. When he started I said, "Oh, no! Oh, no." But when he got this out of the way, it turned around. Here was his open. He said, "The status of loyal opposition imposes on those out of power some serious responsibilities: To show respect for the presidency and its occupant, to express agreement where it exists. Republicans tonight salute our president, for instance, for his aggressive pursuit of the murderers of 9/11 and for bravely backing long-overdue changes in public education.

"I personally would add to that list admiration for the strong family commitment that he and the first lady have displayed to a nation sorely needing such examples," and you're probably thinking, if you haven't heard the rest, "Oh, my gosh! Rush was right. The Republican Party actually thinks the only way they've got to win this thing is by praising Obama, 'cause the independents love Obama, and he's personally popular. He's revered and loved, and if we criticize Obama, the independents are going to go running away." So that paragraph that I just read to you, that was the outreach to the independents -- and what followed was anything but what you just heard.

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RUSH: Let's go to the Mitch Daniels sound bites now. Remember how he ended his open. You could say that this is a slap at Newt Gingrich. "I would personally add to that list of admiration the strong family commitment that the president and the first lady have displayed to a nation sorely needing such examples." That is what has made some Republicans think that Mitch Daniels might actually be changing his mind and that that was a slap at Newt. So we'll see. So you heard me read the open. Here is some of what else Mitch Daniels said.

DANIELS: As Republicans, our first concern is for those waiting tonight to begin or resume the climb up life's ladder. We do not accept that ours will ever be a nation of haves and have-nots. We must always be a nation of haves and soon-to-haves.

RUSH: Here he rips Obama's extremism.

DANIELS: The extremism that stifles the development of homegrown energy or cancels a perfectly safe pipeline that would employ tens of thousands, or jacks up consumer utility bills for no improvement in either human health or world temperature, is a pro-poverty policy. It must be replaced by a passionate pro-growth approach that breaks all ties and calls all close ones in favor of private sector jobs that restore opportunity for all and generate the public revenues to pay our bills. That means a dramatically simpler tax system of fewer loopholes and lower rates, a pause in the mindless piling on of expensive new regulations that devour dollars that otherwise could be used to hire somebody. It means maximizing on the new domestic energy technologies that are the best break our economy's gotten in years.

RUSH: The extremism that stifles the development of homegrown energy cancels a perfectly safe pipeline that would employ tens of thousands. He called that extremism. Jacks up consumer utility bills for no improvement in either human health or world temperature is a pro-poverty policy. He called Obama a liar in one of the most creative ways. "The president has to know what he's saying tonight isn't true." After praising him for being great on family values, he says, "The president has to know that what he says tonight just isn't true," and he said it very effectively. Here he defends the Republican Congress.

DANIELS: It's not fair and it's not true for the president to attack Republicans in Congress as obstacles on these questions. They and they alone have passed bills to reduce borrowing, reform entitlements, and encourage new job creation, only to be shot down time and time again by the president and his Democratic Senate allies.

RUSH: Who's defending the Republicans in Congress? There's nobody. They don't even defend themselves. Mitch Daniels did last night. And here he calls out Obama for dividing the nation.

DANIELS: No feature of the Obama presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favor with some Americans by castigating others. As in previous moments of national danger, we Americans are all in the same boat. If we drift, quarreling and paralyzed over a Niagara of debt, we will all suffer, regardless of income, race, gender, or other category. If we fail to shift to a pro-jobs, pro-growth economic policy, there will never be enough public revenue to pay for our safety net, national security, or whatever size government we decide to have.

RUSH: And here he says Republicans stand for the individual against the state.

DANIELS: 2012 must be the year we prove the doubters wrong. The year we strike out boldly, not nearly to avert national bankruptcy, but to say to a new generation that America is still the world's premiere land of opportunity. Republicans will speak for those who believe in the dignity and capacity of the individual citizen; who believe that government is meant to serve the people rather than supervise them; who trust Americans enough to tell them the plain truth about the fix we are in and to lay before them a specific, credible program of change big enough to meet the emergency we are facing.

RUSH: That's Indiana Governor, Mitch Daniels, and just some of his remarks in his response last night. The whole thing, front-to-back, in continuity was really good, and one of the things that he counters here, this individual against the state, I can't tell you how important it is with Obama out there saying teamwork is what made this country great. Teamwork? Man, that is one of the biggest openings any Republican has had to run against Democrats in a long, long time, in an instructional, educational, factual, informative way. This country was established so the individual would triumph over government. It limited what government could do to constrain individual liberty and freedom. And Obama just spits that aside, "No, no, no, teamwork, government working with people."

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RUSH: Now, here is the Mitch Daniels statement that you haven't heard yet in which he calls Obama a liar in one of the most creative ways. He comes very close to calling him a liar. In one of the most creative ways I've heard.

DANIELS: On these evenings, presidents naturally seek to find the sunny side of our national condition. But when President Obama claims that "the state of our union" is anything but grave, he must know in his heart that this is not true. The president did not cause the economic and fiscal crises that continue in America tonight, but he was elected on a promise to fix them, and he cannot claim that the last three years have made things anything but worse.

RUSH: Well, there is no denying that. There is literally no denying it -- and it was so powerfully stated coming off that 90-minute State of the Union Show of the president's.

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1 posted on 01/25/2012 11:58:16 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yawn.


2 posted on 01/25/2012 11:59:42 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kaslin
Too many conservatives confuse Daniel's moderate style with moderate substance.

If you look at the substance of what he's done, he's more conservative than any of the three remaining in the race.

3 posted on 01/25/2012 12:03:03 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I agree. Newt talks tough, but after his initial success he lost his support in Congress, and not just RINO’s! Daniels isn’t dynamic but we talk about actions not words (Obama & Clinton), well review Daniels record in Indiana and he has done it!!!


4 posted on 01/25/2012 12:05:06 PM PST by shoedog
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To: Kaslin
It was a great speech. I admire the person who wrote it. What struck me was how unimpressive Daniels is considering all this fawning by the pundits and the establishment. I contrasted Daniels delivery with the debates of the existing candidates, and came away thinking the existing candidates are pretty dang good at arguing points with much more passion than Daniels showed and I expect than Obama will either. All of the Republicans have been in scrimmage practice every day while Obama has been relaxing in the sun.
5 posted on 01/25/2012 12:06:14 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Kaslin

It would have been more effective had Rush read Mitch’s remarks instead of using the sound bites.

Mitch just drones and makes every valuable thing he had to say sound dull and passionless.


6 posted on 01/25/2012 12:07:04 PM PST by altura
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To: Kaslin; P-Marlowe; wmfights

I vehemently disagree. That was a pedestrian delivery of a pre-written speech.

If he were in a preaching class, at best I’d give it 7 out of 10....a low C.

Just another post SOTU suit with no real fire.

Rush is off his game here trying to play both ends against the middle.


7 posted on 01/25/2012 12:07:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Mitch Daniels is no conservative. You’ve been on FR three months and learned nothing.


8 posted on 01/25/2012 12:07:17 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Kaslin
Sorry, but I almost fell asleep as this guy droned on and on. Should have had someone with a little fire in his belly blast this illegal alien for telling all those lies.

Just to see this illegal alien strutting around in front of the cameras makes me sick to my stomach. Both he (Obambi), and the dummycrat party know that he is NOT the president because of his illegal alien status, and it breaks my heart to see him puking all over our government and everything that it stood for.

Again, there was no fire in the belly at all after this pathetic State of the Union speech by that monster.

9 posted on 01/25/2012 12:10:55 PM PST by laweeks
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To: Kaslin
Yawn, and yawn again.

"Speech" was broadcast on WCOW, Aimes, IA, KTQZ, Prescott, AZ, and KOOO, Corvalis, OR (on a pirate station).

Full text was also carried in the "Daily What" out of Cour de Lane, ID, the "Weekly Snooze" in Defunct, MN, and the wonderful if slightly biased "Top's Courier" in Wherever, ND.

As stated....yawn.

10 posted on 01/25/2012 12:11:44 PM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: Kaslin
Remind me again why he decided NOT to run for president. Wasn't there something in his personal life that would not have held up under scrutiny? I am not trying to pass ugly innuendos, just looking for facts. I remember hearing something but I can't remember what.

HOWEVER, all of the establishment commentators keep telling us that Newt will have trouble getting the nomination because of the 2 or 3 ballots that he isn't on and his “lack of organization and ground game”. How in the world could we possibly keep talking about bringing in someone new?! And if the Republican party knows what good for it, it will NOT bring us a smokey room, brokered convention candidate that did not receive a SINGLE cast ballot.

11 posted on 01/25/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by georgiagirl_pam (Step One: SECURE YOUR DOOR! (it will give you time to get your gun!) mysafedoor.com)
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To: Timber Rattler

Was Rush watching the same reply speech I was? His delivery was awful. He made a weird wide-eye gesture every time he tried emphasize a phrase. I can’t take it. Isn’t there anyone in the GOP who can make a friggin’ speech?


12 posted on 01/25/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by vortigern
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To: shoedog

It’s too late for Mitch.

We need to decide which one of the candidates we like and support him.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 12:12:42 PM PST by altura
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To: Kaslin

I agree with Rush.
There was steel in his speech. It was well constructed and communicated the real need to begin to reunite the country and reject class envy.

Mitch messed up in some of his early speeches but what he’s done fighting for Right to Work in Indiana is very positive.


14 posted on 01/25/2012 12:16:13 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Kaslin

yea what ever.
Some of it good but delivered as usual wit no passion, no emotion and looked like a robot to turn people off and to sleep.

Mitch now being put out there incase Newt beats Romney, typical establishment crap.

Why the hell can’t the establishment get out of the beltway and the north east and see what we in the real world really want.

Surely there has to be someone who can give a speech with passion, drive and emotion not the usual crap we see on the floor like McConnell


15 posted on 01/25/2012 12:18:53 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: SatinDoll
Mitch Daniels is no conservative. You’ve been on FR three months and learned nothing.

Let's talk about who knows what about Daniels for a minute. I'm a Hoosier. I hope you are too. Daniels is one of the few that talks more moderate and ACTS more conservative. He reduced and leveled property taxes, Lowered business taxes, has resisted state legislation regulating businesses (smoking, etc.), he sued the fed for Chrystler bond holder dismissal, he sued the fed over obamacare.

We were in a deficit budget situation when he came to office. We are now in a budget surplus situation. He cut state government in everything from government autos to education budets.

Have you heard the latest? Indiana will become a Right to Work state soon. Democrats have been fleeing the state for two years to avoid it.

What say you of his being a moderate?

16 posted on 01/25/2012 12:21:33 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: vortigern

said the same.
The speech was like those on the floor, no passion, no emotion, boring, .

For crying out loud there has to be someone with character, passion, emotion and fire in their belly to give a speech and not just sound like a drone.


17 posted on 01/25/2012 12:21:55 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: vortigern

said the same.
The speech was like those on the floor, no passion, no emotion, boring, .

For crying out loud there has to be someone with character, passion, emotion and fire in their belly to give a speech and not just sound like a drone or someone who is not interested in what they are reading.


18 posted on 01/25/2012 12:22:11 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: throwback

Agreed with #5. He is not a charasmatic speaker. He is not a dynamic personality. His actions are more conservative than his words.

I’m not convinced he would do well in a presidential election. But he is a great governor.


19 posted on 01/25/2012 12:23:25 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Kaslin

Rush is a RINO. Yeah the content of the speech was excellent but Daniels got no applause from the non audience, he didn’t swear fealty to Newt, he had no mediots to use as foils and he wasn’t juggling 4 balls while dressed as a clown.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 12:25:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: vortigern

Apparently there is no one in the GOP who is willing to run for president and who would be a candidate everyone would like, if not love.

Mitch’s wife didn’t want him to run. Haven’t heard why, but I understand that’s the reason.

I’m seeing a lot of buyer’s remorse here on Free Republic now that we’ve decided to go with Newt.

It’s ironic and mildly satisfying to me, as I supported Rick Perry, who—out of all the original candidates— was the only one with true credentials to run for president.

He was destroyed with hate here on Free Republic and wasn’t warmly received by the general public, probably because he was a Texan and people related him to Bush. He’s much more conservative than Bush.

But when he dropped out and endorsed Gingrich, I moved over to Gingrich. He has a lot of faults but also a lot of virtues.

When you consider the field we started with:

Cain - a nasty man with no record to run on except being a nice man which he turned out not to be. A joke as a candidate.

Bachmann - a lovely lady who self-destructed in hysteria over Gardisal.

Rick Santorum - a loser who was looking for work after an inglorious defeat for senator. Hadn’t done much since so president seemed like a good idea.

Mitch Romney - good businessman who decided he’d like to run the country. conceived the idea of government run healthcare.

Ron Paul - nothing needs to be said. He didn’t run to win, but just to get his ideas out there.

Rick Perry - perfect candidate that nobody wanted.

And so, we’re left with Newt.

Deal with it everybody.


21 posted on 01/25/2012 12:27:51 PM PST by altura
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To: jwalsh07

Cute. Even clever.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 12:28:04 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: vortigern
Isn’t there anyone in the GOP who can make a friggin’ speech?


23 posted on 01/25/2012 12:33:17 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kaslin

Of course, Rush, the Response is getting more attention than the SOTU address.....by that one-third of the Republicans who are said to want Newt derailed and to cut Romney loose and impose Daniels the Other Equally Moderate.


24 posted on 01/25/2012 12:33:18 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: Kaslin
The president did not cause the economic and fiscal crises that continue in America tonight,

Not true. He was a part of the problem as a member of the U.S. Senate, especially as part of the majority from 2006-2008. That is where our problems truly began, although they existed before this, too.

25 posted on 01/25/2012 12:34:05 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: altura

I see your list. My condolences on Perry for you.

I think I would still rather have Cain over either Gingrich or Romney. I am shaken by his apparent character flaw. I feel fooled a little bit. But still think he would be grounded in some honest values.


26 posted on 01/25/2012 12:35:17 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Kaslin

I am happy his wife allowed him to speak. I guess. Whatever.


27 posted on 01/25/2012 12:37:03 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: jwalsh07

No. Rush is a staunch conservative. He’s very far from being a rino.

Call him a rino if you want because he isn’t going all out for your candidate.

There are a couple or three reasons for this. One, there are things about Newt that are unsettling. Let’s just admit it.

Two, and more important, Rush and Mark Davis have a deathly fear of Newt doing something to self destruct and give Obama the presidency.

We all know he’s capable of doing just that. Let’s pray he doesn’t.


28 posted on 01/25/2012 12:38:25 PM PST by altura
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To: Kaslin

Was that Mitch Daniels? I thought is was Tim Pawlenty or maybe Evan Bye. I get the milk toast “moderates” all mixed up.

As the song goes “It’s better to burn out than fade away” I support NEWT purely because he is the only one willing to oratorically tear Obama limb from limb.


29 posted on 01/25/2012 12:39:11 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: altura; vortigern

Daniels wife divorced or left him leaving the children with him for two years before they were reunited. She quashed his nomination run and he obliged. (I believe this is close, as I would have to be refreshed also on the details of the story.)


30 posted on 01/25/2012 12:40:58 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: altura

I was being facetious, I agree with Rush and mucof what you just wrote btw.


31 posted on 01/25/2012 12:41:34 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Zathras

“I agree with Rush.
There was steel in his speech. It was well constructed and communicated the real need to begin to reunite the country and reject class envy.”

Huh? I thought RUSH believed in defeating the enemy not “uniting the country” (i.e. compromise)

Nice try establishment but there aint gonna be a draft mitch movement anytime soon


32 posted on 01/25/2012 12:41:56 PM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Tenacious 1

thanks. My condolences to the country for making the mistake of rejecting him.

And my condolences to you for putting your trust in somebody who betrayed it.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 12:42:09 PM PST by altura
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To: SatinDoll
Under Daniel's leadership, Indiana has decertified state employee unions, has adopted the most pro-life abortion restrictions in America, has adopted the most expansive school voucher program in America, has turned in deficit accumulated under the prior Democrat administrations into a surplus and is about to adopt a right to work law. When an Indianapolis federal judge ordered the state legislature to stop opening every session with a prayer, Daniels publicly chastised him (and, with the Republican Attorney General, successfully got the order overruled). Some politicians are show horses, some are work horses. Daniels is a work horse.
34 posted on 01/25/2012 12:46:25 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: xzins

“Rush is off his game here trying to play both ends against the middle.”

Rush is hedging bets or doing prep work.

Immediately after Gingrich gutted Romney in SC, the muttering begins about a brokered convention and Mitch Daniels being that brokered candidate. The GOP nomenklatura had better check with Mrs. Daniels to see if she will allow Mitch to come outside and play.

The media cannot unmake Rush. His audience can. He may no longer care.


35 posted on 01/25/2012 12:48:29 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Daniels was a part of the Bush admin, the budget director, actually. He did not provide a very conservative record when in Washington based on how the spending increased during his time in D.C. If he is loved by the moderates, that is a big, red flag, as well. Indiana isn't Washington. His record in Indiana might be a good one, but his previous time in D.C. suggests that we wouldn't see the same thing from a President Daniels. I would vote for him if he was the guy since defeating Obama is my only goal. But I would have no illusions about the kind of presidency we would get from Daniels. He would be OK I'm sure, like Bush, but just OK.
36 posted on 01/25/2012 12:51:56 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

I won’t argue what kind of a president Daniels would make. I’m honestly not sure. Indiana is a conservative state. He has a large majority of conservative legislature and Hoosier citizens in general. It’s not that hard to do the right thing if you are a real conservative in IN.

That said, he is a man whose actions are more impressive than his words. For instance, last year, he did not want to press the Right to Work issue first. Well, it did get pressed. This year, true to his promise, Katie bar the door.

He is unassuming, has a great conservative track record in IN but is lacking any carisma, fire and brimstone that might inspire.

I might support Daniels over Gingrich or Romney given the choice.


37 posted on 01/25/2012 12:59:07 PM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: Kaslin
Daniels was flaccid and insipid.

Herman Cain should have given the GOP reply !

I'm glad he gave the TEA PARTY reply !


38 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:21 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Kaslin
From the transcript of Gov Daniels remarks:

"There is a second item on our national must-do list: we must unite to save the safety net. Medicare and Social Security have served us well, and that must continue. But after half and three quarters of a century respectively, it's not surprising that they need some repairs. We can preserve them unchanged and untouched for those now in or near retirement, but we must fashion a new, affordable safety net so future Americans are protected, too.

"Decades ago, for instance, we could afford to send millionaires pension checks and pay medical bills for even the wealthiest among us. Now, we can't, so the dollars we have should be devoted to those who need them most.

"The mortal enemies of Social Security and Medicare are those who, in contempt of the plain arithmetic, continue to mislead Americans that we should change nothing. Listening to them much longer will mean that these proud programs implode, and take the American economy with them. It will mean that coming generations are denied the jobs they need in their youth and the protection they deserve in their later years.

THIS IS UNMASKED UNRESTRAINED CALL TO TURN SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE INTO A REDISTRIBUTIONIST PROGRESSIVE TAX REGIME. THIS IS PURE SOCIALISM.

And Gov Daniels, Rush Limbaugh, dozens of other blowhard pundits, and hundreds of freepers have openly applauded this stance.

I do not understand how FR's community has fallen so far from the fundamental values of traditional conservative political thought. Turning the UK equivalent of Social Security into a Progressive redistributionist scheme was a step too far for even the hardened Socialists of new Labour during the Blair/Brown/Cook/Milliband eras.

Can anyone chime in on this?

39 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:35 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Timber Rattler

Agreed.


40 posted on 01/25/2012 1:07:57 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: SatinDoll
Mitch Daniels is no conservative. You’ve been on FR three months and learned nothing.

Well, I did learn to count, which is more than I can say for your "three months" comment. What happened? Run out of fingers or something?

I also learned to make more than ipse dixit "is not" arguments. Daniels ended public employee unions out on the very first day he took office. Indiana has the lowest number of public employees per capita in the entire country. He has privatized some state operations, moved to a medical savings account program for state employees to give more choice and to save the State money, and last year, reformed education to give more school choice. Read about that if you'd like to:

http://www.studentsfirst.org/blog/entry/ed-reform-in-indiana/#

Oh, and this year, he's pushing to make Indiana the first Great Lakes state to adopt Right to Work, doing something no other Republican Governor in any of those states has done. What non-conservative does those kind of things?

btw, regarding the date joined, there was a problem with my password for my original ID that JR couldn't fix. My old screename was XJarhead, and I joined back in November 2000. So congratulations -- you've got me by 9 months or so. I bow to your superiority for belonging to a message board for longer than me.

41 posted on 01/25/2012 1:08:07 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: JerseyHighlander

Great points. The speech was horrible! I took it further on another thread:

“The status of ‘loyal opposition’ imposes on those out of power some serious responsibilities: to show respect for the Presidency and its occupant,

DON’T CALL HIM A SOCIALIST YOU TEA PARTY EXTREMIST!

to express agreement where it exists.

OBAMA ISN’T ALL BAD

Republicans tonight salute our President

SECOND SENTENCE OF THE SO CALLED REBUTTAL AND HERE I AM SALUTING OBAMA!

I personally would add to that list admiration for the strong family commitment that he and the First Lady have displayed to a nation sorely needing such examples.

NICE SHOT AT NEWT FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT

The President did not cause the economic and fiscal crises that continue in America tonight.

HE WAS IN THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AT THE TIME, AND HIS ALLIES IN THE HOUSE HAD JUST TAKEN OVER WHEN THE SHIITE HIT THE FAN. SHIITE CAUSED BY COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS AND LIBERALS FORCING BANKS TO MAKE LOANS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT PAY THEM BACK

nearly half of all persons under 30, did not go to work today.

CONSIDERING 1/2 OF ALL PEOPLE UNDER 30 ARE BETWEEN 1-15 YEARS OLD.....

“In three short years, an unprecedented explosion of spending, with borrowed money, has added trillions to an already unaffordable national debt.

NO MENTION OF HOW THE EXPLOSION STARTED IN JAN 2007 WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TOOK BACK CONGRESS

“As Republicans our first concern is for those waiting tonight to begin or resume the climb up life’s ladder. We do not accept that ours will ever be a nation of haves and have nots; we must always be a nation of haves and soon to haves.

AS REPUBLICANS, OUR FIRST CONCERN IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE-OBAMA IS GUTTING OUR MILITARY.

“In our economic stagnation and indebtedness, we are only a short distance behind Greece, Spain, and other European countries now facing economic catastrophe.

AND OTHER “SOCIALIST” COUNTRIES

But ours is a fortunate land. Because the world uses our dollar for trade...

INDIA IS NOW PAYING FOR OIL WITH GOLD AND OTHER NATIONS ARE ABOUT TO AS WELL. QE2 IS ABOUT TO COME HOME TO ROOST.

“So 2012 is a year of true opportunity, maybe our last, to restore an America of hope and upward mobility, and greater equality.

YES, EQUALITY! THATS WHAT A CONSERVATIVES NEED TO WORRY ABOUT /S

The challenges aren’t matters of ideology, or party preference;

BS

“The routes back to an America of

“That means a dramatically simpler tax system of fewer loopholes and lower rates.

WE”RE COMING FOR THAT HOME MORTGAGE DEDUCTION BARABARA!

“There is a second item on our national must-do list: we must unite to save the safety net.

#1 EQUALITY
#2 SAFETY NET

IS THIS THE GOP PLATFORM OF THE DNC’s?

Medicare and Social Security have served us well

AS HAS THE POST OFFICE, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND INNER CITY MAYORS

“Decades ago, for instance, we could afford to send millionaires pension checks and pay medical bills for even the wealthiest among us. Now, we can’t, so the dollars we have should be devoted to those who need them most.

WE LIED. THAT MONEY WE TOLD YOU YEARS AGO THAT WAS GOING TO YOUR GOVERNMENT RETIREMENT ACCOUNT WAS REALLY JUST AN ADDITIONAL TAX SO WE CAN GIVE YOUR MONEY TO OTHERS

stop sending the wealthy benefits they do not need, and stop providing them so many tax preferences that distort our economy and do little or nothing to foster growth.

IS THIS THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE OR THE PRESIDENTS SPEECH?

“It’s not fair and it’s not true for the President to attack Republicans in Congress as obstacles on these questions. They and they alone have passed bills to reduce borrowing, reform entitlements, and encourage new job creation, only to be shot down time and time again by the President and his Democratic Senate allies.

NO MENTION, AGAIN, OF THE DEMOCRAT CAPTURE OF THE HOUSE IN THE 2006 ELECTIONS. “FANNY AND FREDDY ARE NOT IN TROUBLE!”-BARNEY FRANK

“This year, it falls to Republicans to level with our fellow citizens about this reality: if we fail to act to grow the private sector and save the safety net, nothing else will matter much.

SAVE THE SAFETY NET! CHARGE!

“No feature of the Obama Presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favor with some Americans by castigating others.

LIKE DANIELS IS DOING WITH THE WEALTHY ABOVE

As in previous moments of national danger, we Americans are all in the same boat. If we drift, quarreling and paralyzed, over a Niagara of debt, we will all suffer, regardless of income, race, gender, or other category.

I’D LIKE TO SAY SEXUAL PREFERENCE BUT THIS CODE WORD WILL DO

If we fail to shift to a pro-jobs, pro-growth economic policy, there will never be enough public revenue to pay for our safety net, national security, or whatever size government we decide to have.

THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT HAS DECLARED SAVING THE SAFETY NET (FEDERAL FREE MONEY PROGRAMS) IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN NATIONAL SECURITY. HOPEFULLY THIS IDIOT WILL BE KEPT OFF THE SUPER COMMITTEE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT SHOULD BE CUT.

We will speak the language of unity.

SHUT UP YOU TEA PARTY EXTREMISTS!

Let us rebuild our finances, and the safety net, and reopen the door to the stairway upward; any other disagreements we may have can wait.

LET THE ILLEGALS INVADE, SCREW NATIONAL SECURITY, SCREW THE UNBORN, LET THE HOMOSEXUALS MARRY....BUT SAVE THE FREE MONEY PROGRAMS!

“In word and deed, the President and his allies tell us that we just cannot handle ourselves in this complex, perilous world without their benevolent protection. Left to ourselves, we might pick the wrong health insurance, the wrong mortgage, the wrong school for our kids; why, unless they stop us, we might pick the wrong light bulb!

JUST LIKE THE REPUBLICANS WHO CAVED ON THAT BILL IN EXCHANGE FOR A PROMISE TO TEMPORARILY NOT ENFORCE THE NEW LIGHT BULB BAN, DANIELS SEEMS TO THINK THIS LITTLE BONE WILL WIN HIM POINTS. “OH, HE IS SUCH A CONSERVATIVE! IM SO GLAD THE GOP WILL STAND UP FOR MY LIGHT BULB CHOICES!”

“A second view, which I admit some Republicans also seem to hold, is that we Americans are no longer up to the job of self-government.

I ADMIT, AGAIN, THAT WE SUCK

We can’t do the simple math that proves the unaffordability of today’s safety net programs

BUT SAVING THEM IS MY #1 PRIORITY!

We will allow ourselves to be pitted one against the other, blaming our neighbor for troubles worldwide trends or our own government has caused.

WE ARE SO WRONG TO BLAME THE LEFT

“2012 must be the year we prove the doubters wrong. The year we strike out boldly not merely to avert national bankruptcy but to say to a new generation that America is still the world’s premier land of opportunity.

OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND USE OUR “FREE MONEY” SAFETY NET THAT IS MY #1 PRIORITY

Republicans will speak for those who believe in the dignity and capacity of the individual citizen

BUT 2 DAYS AFTER THE 150,000+ MARCH FOR LIFE IN DC I WON’T EVEN USE A CODE WORD FOR THE UNBORN (LIKE I DID FOR HOMOSEXUALS)

to lay before them a specific, credible program of change big enough to meet the emergency we are facing.

THE EMERGENCY OF SAVING THE FREE MONEY SAFETY NET

“We will advance our positive suggestions with confidence,

CODE FOR: SHUT UP TEA PARTY

There is nothing wrong with the state of our Union that the American people, addressed as free-born...

IF TAX PAYER FUNDED PLANNED PARENTHOOD DOESN’T KILL THEM FIRST


42 posted on 01/25/2012 1:08:11 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: wilco200

Newt’s rhetoric is entertaining and due, however you need more then rhetoric to be a President. My fear with Newt are founded in his past
1) Thin skin which causes him to get defensive or suck up to press/libs
2) He lost the House Republicans support after a couple years and don’t say it was the RINO’s there were plenty of true conservative Reps that said enough
3) His class warfare rhetoric on Romney is straight from Obama and the Dems!
4) FDR is one of his favorite Presidents and at times his stands sound more big government.

I would still vote for Newt but it wouldn’t be because he is the poster child of a great candidate!. I would much rather take somebody who walks the walk (and I am talking personal character as well, face it Newt is very flawed there) then someone who can give loud rhetoric. Every one forgets, Reagan challenged the press and his opponents, but he didn’t do it snarling the way Newt does.


43 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:55 PM PST by shoedog
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To: icwhatudo

Good assessment, his speech was disgusting.


44 posted on 01/25/2012 1:21:36 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Why are we wasting a thread on a man who seems to be a very good governor but who is not running for president.

And who will not be running for president.

We have two choices now: Santorum or Gingrich.


45 posted on 01/25/2012 1:24:24 PM PST by altura
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To: Mr. Lucky; Tenacious 1; Bruce Campbells Chin

You three are correct when you state Daniels is a Conservative. BUT, not all his decisions are such, and his ability to carry the Conservative argument FORCEFULLY nation-wide is problematic.

Quote of Gov.Mitch Daniels: ““At some stage I just think that if you’re interested in results you should just try to be careful to use words that don’t drive anybody away and if possible just take a chance to be more civil, more likeable than the other guy,..”

Mitch Daniels: Obama not a socialist
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2782833/posts

“...asked...if he thought Obama had pursued socialist policies, Daniels laughed wryly and simply said, “No.”

Note: when Obama attended Occidental College, he was described by fellow students as a “Marxist-Leninist”.

Indiana Supreme Court: citizens have no right to resist unlawful police entry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2720545/posts

“In a move that flies not only in the face of the U.S. Constitution but defies common law dating back to the Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court has ruled that residents of the Hoosier state have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David, writing for the majority, expressed the view that:

“...a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest.”

Note: Mitch Daniels appointed this Judge to Indiana’s Supreme Court.
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Mitch Daniels is no more or less Conservative or electable than Gingrich or Santorum, plus he is late to the primary race and forcing him onto voters at this late date is frankly stupid, as it would be vigorously opposed by those of us Tea Party enthusiasts.


46 posted on 01/25/2012 1:33:18 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: shoedog

For forty years the Democrats held power. The Republicans occasionally were thrown a bone, given cover and some pork to keep their constituents quiet. Meanwhile the congress was enriching themselves at the expense of the nation. The centralized government kept growing and growing…

In 1980 Ronald Reagan is elected President. Newt Gingrich, elected in 1978, joined with others to ally with President Reagan and build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority - the Reagan Revolution - which directly led to the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy

Gingrich becomes Speaker of the House and the Democrats and Republicans panicked! Budget cuts, less pork. For the first time in a very long time the Republicans actually had to govern and take responsibility. The Dems were outnumbered - it should have been easy and, after all, it is what the voters wanted congress to do.

The 1998 budget was scheduled for a $1 Billion cut and congress saw the gravy train leaving the station. No more getting rich at the public’s expense.

So it became “get rid of Newt Gingrich” even to the extent of manufacturing lies about him. He was exonerated of ALL those phony ethics charges, but the media continues to smear him year after year after year.

And now, older and wiser, he is back. And the corrupt in Washington, D.C., are AGAIN trying to save the status quo.

The question is, what are YOU going to do?

So far you’re repeating all the lies the media and Congressional fat cats spout about Newt. They’re pooping in their silk panties at the thought of Gingrich controlling the executive branch.

I suspect you can do better.


47 posted on 01/25/2012 1:45:06 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Yeah, I chime in.

Blah blah blah

48 posted on 01/25/2012 1:46:15 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I totally agree. I like your name, my son is a Bruce Campbell fan.


49 posted on 01/25/2012 1:46:25 PM PST by gattaca (Great things can be accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tenacious 1

Bump


50 posted on 01/25/2012 1:50:21 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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