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Santorum Giving Up on Florida?
The Corner ^ | 1/25/2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 01/25/2012 1:30:33 PM PST by TBBT

From NBC News:

Failing to show early signs of momentum in the Sunshine State, presidential hopeful Rick Santorum on Wednesday signaled he may be cutting out of Florida before the state’s Jan. 31 primary.

Speaking to reporters here, the former Pennsylvania senator said was unsure if he would be in Florida the night of the primary, committing only to campaigning in the state over the next two days. On Saturday, he’ll head home to Virginia for fundraisers and to prepare his tax records which he plans to soon make public.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: santorum; santoruminittowinit; santorumsout
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

He comes across as an argumentative teenager.


101 posted on 01/25/2012 4:45:40 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: throwback

When did congress decide it was the right thing to give people homes they couldn’t afford?


102 posted on 01/25/2012 4:46:37 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: Windflier

If you are trying to get me zotted, forget it. I support Newt since my real favorite, Governor Rick Perry, dropped out.

Don’t EVEN go there!


103 posted on 01/25/2012 4:53:52 PM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: onyx

He does appear whiny and “Mr. Rogers-y”. LOL!

I was hoping for better from him. But onward with Newt.


104 posted on 01/25/2012 4:57:09 PM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: throwback

Sorry. I call ‘em like I see ‘em — and not without ample evidence.

Santorum IS selfish — in his eyes, HE is larger than the cause. He IS immature and he DOES exhibit a lack of wisdom.

While we’re on the topic, allow me to add: he’s whiny.

If commenting on what I have observed upsets your applecart, then let it be.

Don’t pretend that those truths are what sours you on Gingrich, though. Your mind is *already* made up.


105 posted on 01/25/2012 5:01:10 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: bigdirty
"If he stays in it for Florida and knows he has no chance of winning, I’d be willing to bet he’s trying to tank Gingrich and let Romney get the win."

Ande that folks is the only reason Santorum is still in the race. He knows, with certainty, he will not be the POTUS nominee.

He also knows Romney will need a very strong Social Conservative as VP to have any chance of keeping them aboard in a General Election. He hopes to be that Social Conservative.

106 posted on 01/25/2012 5:02:43 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: LUV W
If you are trying to get me zotted, forget it. I support Newt since my real favorite, Governor Rick Perry, dropped out.

I didn't make you post what you did. If you get the zot, it'll be because you crossed Jim Rob's line, not mine.

And I wasn't trying to get you zotted, by the way. I was just miffed about your back-handed knock on Newt. If Santorum is "the last conservative in the race", what does that say about the guy we're all pinning our hopes on?

Sheeesh.....

107 posted on 01/25/2012 5:09:17 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DarthVader; afraidfortherepublic
Well what do we have here another one who does not know the rules!! IBTZ!! The Viking kitties are coming!

Nope. Not your call, DV.

108 posted on 01/25/2012 5:12:19 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I remember that now. It did sound like a script handed to him by the Republican establishment, meant to finish Palin off before she could do them any damage. It’s what I thought at the time, although I sort of let go of the idea partly because Palin herself spoke well of him in the weeks before Iowa.

But it is what it is.


109 posted on 01/25/2012 5:18:11 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: edge10; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; onyx; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; Allegra; Chode; ..

110 posted on 01/25/2012 5:24:07 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Thane_Banquo

HEY!!!!! I resemble that remark!


111 posted on 01/25/2012 5:24:17 PM PST by Freedom_Fighter_2001
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To: TBBT

It’s time for Rick to go. I’m very proud of my candidate for doing the honorable thing and bowing out before South Carolina; now it’s Santorum’s turn. We need to get this thing sewn up so we don’t have to worry about Romney,


112 posted on 01/25/2012 5:41:15 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: houeto

West or Rubicon would be another great choice. Newt couldn’t go wrong with any of them or Walker or Daniels or even the governor from Maine who is doing great.


113 posted on 01/25/2012 5:52:13 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: houeto

West or Rubicon would be another great choice. Newt couldn’t go wrong with any of them or Walker or Daniels or even the governor from Maine who is doing great.


114 posted on 01/25/2012 5:52:22 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: JDW11235

Rick needs to give it up and get out. Its over for him.


115 posted on 01/25/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: livius

I agree on all points. I have long believed him to be a stalking horse for Romney. He obviously knows he cannot win. Perry wanted to get out, and probably has a deal with Gingrich, so I expected him to leave. Santorum probably didn’t get the deal he wanted from Gingrich (or indeed, was more probably offered no deal, and is angry). It could just be pride though. When he and Newt argued the last debate (or the one before, I don’t watch them the night they come on, I hate commercials), he seemed to take it personally that he has no chance of winning. He certainly has shown contempt for anyone and everyone, so I don’t think he can endorse someone and remain credible at this point! We’ll see, I guess. He may be too busy doing his taxes at home, lol.

I think that whether or not he endorses Romney won’t matter. One candidate or another is going to get pummeled out of the race. I’m not absolutely sure it will be Romney, but I think it probable. He’s less popular, and less well known. Arguably he has worse positions that Gingrich, but he wasn’t in government as long to rack up the same length of record, so it’s easier for him to spin that record to the general public. So help me I am tired of hearing him talk about the olympics. I neither care about the olympics, nor care that he keeps saying he “saved” them. Who cares? Most of the country doesn’t, that’s for sure. But when you have a small (and questionable record), I guess you have to fill in the resume’ gaps with something.


116 posted on 01/25/2012 6:15:38 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Windflier

Doesn’t say much about him, but he seems to be the only thing standing between us and Myth.

I will have my opinion and I think JimRob can live with it. I’m not ANTI-Newt...I just wished for a more consistent conservative. I was for Sarah, and Bachmann, and Perry before they bowed out. There aren’t many choices left.

Just don’t threaten me.


117 posted on 01/25/2012 6:32:44 PM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: JDW11235

I agree, I don’t think it will matter whether Santorum endorses anyone or not.

As for Romney, he may not have any national record, but he does have a state record, and you’ll notice he doesn’t say much about it.


118 posted on 01/25/2012 6:40:53 PM PST by livius
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To: fortheDeclaration

“No one wants Santorum in the VP slot.”

Whoa! Speaking for everyone, are you?


119 posted on 01/25/2012 6:42:30 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Gingrich/Santorum 2012!)
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To: livius

Oh, I know that. I’m just saying, it’s a short one. Less than even a 1 term senator. Just imagine the unspinnable record he’d have if he’d been in there several terms!


120 posted on 01/25/2012 6:53:06 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: LUV W
Just don’t threaten me.

You need to knock that off. I never threatened you.

121 posted on 01/25/2012 6:57:18 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: edge10; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; onyx; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; Allegra; Chode; ..

You Have Failed Free Republic For The Last Time!!

122 posted on 01/25/2012 6:58:24 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: DarthVader

Ruh-roh...do I see it comin’??


123 posted on 01/25/2012 7:00:50 PM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: JDW11235

That’s true. The Myth Machine would be running day and night trying to make the records vanish.


124 posted on 01/25/2012 7:08:35 PM PST by livius
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To: Jedidah
how soon Gingrich next implodes.

When did that happen? How does one know when it happens. Tell us about it.

125 posted on 01/25/2012 7:11:40 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Finny

Back in the Palin days I thought West would make a great VP for her - the next day he comes out with a derogatory remark about the TP. After that, I don’t even consider him anymore. I know Newt did mentioned him as a possible VP. I hope not. I don’t decide a candidate on looks - that’s liberal - like they did swarming after clinton and the dope we have now.


126 posted on 01/25/2012 7:27:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: beandog

Not a problem, have done it myself


127 posted on 01/25/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Windflier

Ron Paul was right when he said Santorum fooled a lot of people into believing he’s a conservative. Thanks for the link.


128 posted on 01/25/2012 7:49:58 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
I don’t decide a candidate on looks ...

I hope you know that I don't, either! {^) No, be assured that my tongue was planted firmly in-cheek when I wrote the post. Certainly West is handsome -- but that should have no bearing on one's decision whether to support him. I was just making a joke.

129 posted on 01/25/2012 7:53:09 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Friendofgeorge
That's his mo from what I'm seeing - to cut down the other person. I think he's stalking for Mitt because he deliberately lied about Newt. Trashing Sarah back then immediately after she stepped down as AK Governor he already was on the mitt team, IMO. What business is it of his that she was only interested in speaking fees (I paraphrase ) how she runs her life or makes her money. She's in demand, he or Mitt wasn't. Trying to paint a derogatory picture for Mitt's sake. Mr goody two shoes has serious character flaws. Anything he's done was to look good, not that he is good, IMO.
130 posted on 01/25/2012 8:14:47 PM PST by presently no screen name
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Santorum heading home to VIRGINIA

and that ladies and gentlemen is one reason he lost his position as SENATOR OF PENNSYLVANIA..

He was living in Virginia at his last election also and we voters knew he had moved from his rented home here and was schooling his kids in Virginia..

SERVE THE STATE IN WHICH YOU LIVE...LIVE IN THE STATE YOU SERVE..

Same for Gabby Giffords, she served ARIZONA and lived with her husband in TEXAS...

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS???

131 posted on 01/25/2012 8:17:56 PM PST by haircutter
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To: presently no screen name
Ron Paul was right when he said Santorum fooled a lot of people into believing he’s a conservative.

I didn't catch it when Ron Paul said that, but he's right. Rick Santorum is a big government 'conservative'. He's convinced a lot of conservatives that he's got the right Tea Party credentials to be our standard bearer, but those people haven't taken a close look at his actual record.

There's no way you can square that record with the Framers' principles of a small, limited, constitutional government.

132 posted on 01/25/2012 8:18:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JDW11235

santorum’s votes go to newt!!!


133 posted on 01/25/2012 8:24:50 PM PST by tpuskett
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To: presently no screen name

My popcorn is ready. All we can do is watch the show and see what happens.


134 posted on 01/25/2012 8:26:13 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: reasonisfaith
That's Sarah - she doesn't speak badly of those who trashed her.

I believe she trusts in "Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. Romans 12:19

"It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them." Deut 32:35

135 posted on 01/25/2012 8:35:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jedidah

You said explode next - that means there already was one. I asked what was it - what did it look like.


136 posted on 01/25/2012 8:37:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Windflier

Paul said it two? debates ago. I thought Paul was acting political at the time but he was right - I found out tonight through a link posted that listed how he voted - NO way is he conservative. Newt’s record is more conservative. The last of the conservative candidates, my ***!


137 posted on 01/25/2012 8:45:42 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Windflier
"Rick Santorum is a big government 'conservative'.

Santorum is a social conservative and he was one of the steadiest social conservative in the Senate. Social conservatives tend to be big government people. They are more interested in promoting what they (correctly) think is our traditional cultural values than they are in saving tax payers money or limiting the growth of government. I think all conservatives need a little bit of social conservative in them, certainly enough to be strongly pro life, but to much social con is not a good thing and leads to socialism, for all the right reasons of course. Santorum was close to being a good all around conservative, it is to bad he was so poorly lead by the spend spend spend GOP of the Bush era. He had great potential.

138 posted on 01/25/2012 8:49:32 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Windflier

DUH! It was the link you posted! I think I’ll take that as a sign I’m done for the night. It was good info though. Thanks!


139 posted on 01/25/2012 8:53:11 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: jpsb
Santorum is a social conservative and he was one of the steadiest social conservative in the Senate. Social conservatives tend to be big government people. They are more interested in promoting what they (correctly) think is our traditional cultural values than they are in saving tax payers money or limiting the growth of government.

Unfortunately for Rick Santorum, he couldn't have picked a worse time in our history to be a big government guy - even if his motivations for being so are somewhat noble.

Rick should have spent more time with the Tea Party rebellion, to get a sense of what it is the people are demanding at this time. It sure isn't bigger, more intrusive, more expensive government, that's for damn sure.

No, the people have more and more adopted the mindset of the Framers on social issues. Those problems are best left up to the people, or the states. The federal government needs to be stripped back to its original constitutional constraints, and be re-oriented to its original duties and purposes.

140 posted on 01/25/2012 9:00:55 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

BTW did you notice how nice Newt and Paul were to one another in the last debate? Complimenting each others position? lol, both are smart operators. Newt does not need a fight with Paul and Paul certainly does not want to see Mitt win Fla. It was fun to watch. Paul was happy to just stand there and be ignored for most of the debate. Newt did not look well or sound well he definitely needs a good nights sleep tonight. I am expecting both Paul and Santorum to lay low tomorrow night. Paul is hoping Newt wins to keep the process going, Santorum is hoping Mitt wins so he can be the not Romney. Should be interesting.


141 posted on 01/25/2012 9:01:22 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Windflier

100% agree, well said.


142 posted on 01/25/2012 9:03:52 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
BTW did you notice how nice Newt and Paul were to one another in the last debate? Complimenting each others position? lol, both are smart operators. Newt does not need a fight with Paul and Paul certainly does not want to see Mitt win Fla. It was fun to watch.

No, I missed the visuals of the last debate. I followed along with the live audio feed, and the thread on FR.

I guess it's to be expected that Gingrich and Paul would find some common ground, with both of their political careers being rooted in the House of Representatives. There's no doubt, they go way back, and have probably been shoulder to shoulder in a whole lot of battles.

Seems that Santo doesn't know who to befriend. I think Paul is the only one he hasn't expended any ammo on, but I don't know that he's got much in common with him. At least Newt and Ron are both very keen on the Constitution, and both have made reverence of that document central to their appeals to the voting public.

143 posted on 01/25/2012 9:22:34 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: presently no screen name

I said “implode,” not “explode.” Learn to read.


144 posted on 01/25/2012 9:26:23 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

I can read - but I didn’t read anything in your post about Mitt, Santorum or Paul IMPLODING - Just Newt.

Why would that be?


145 posted on 01/25/2012 9:49:54 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: mrreaganaut

Pretty much for the Newt supporters.


146 posted on 01/25/2012 9:54:31 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: kidd
"He has two things that Newt Gingrich needs to wrap this election up: (1) 10% of the GOP (2) Pennsylvania"

I hope Santorum stays in the race, and is just conserving cash, but this could be the beginning of the end. If he stays in, he should do well in the midwest and more socially conservative states.

Florida is a lost cause for him at this point.

147 posted on 01/25/2012 11:24:52 PM PST by Left2Right (Starve the Beast!)
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To: Left2Right

“If he stays in, he should do well in the midwest and more socially conservative states.”

He will not do well in the South. Cold and aloof does not play well down here.


148 posted on 01/26/2012 1:02:27 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Preparation ZOT, for prompt relief from annoying romnoids.)
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To: TBBT; All
TBBT, unlike some of the people commenting, you asked some important and valuable questions.

Let's not forget Ron Paul is also largely ignoring Florida.
The reason why is Florida is a winner-take-all state, and it is an extremely expensive media market. Once it became clear the race in Florida was basically a two-person race for the votes of two constituencies, one which generally has been voting for Romney and one which generally has been voting for more aggressively conservative candidates, it made sense for Santorum to largely bow out of Florida and let Gingrich try to rally stricter conservatives to defeat Romney.

That's not admitting defeat; if anything, it's trying to avoid splintering the conservative anti-Romney vote. I would think Freepers would appreciate him for doing that.

Santorum’s core supporters are social conservatives. He has a considerably better chance in the next set of races than he does in Florida under current conditions. Under different circumstances with a win or a better showing in South Carolina, Santorum might have been able to make an aggressive campaign for conservative Cuban votes based on his Roman Catholicism, but I think he sees that he can play no useful role in Florida except splitting votes and making a Romney win more likely.

Obviously Santorum knows that if Gingrich's campaign collapses, he'll be the beneficiary. Even Gingrich's strongest supporters have to acknowledge that given the see-saw way the race has gone so far, Santorum has good reason to wonder if that may happen.

I'd be surprised to see Santorum drop out before Super Tuesday unless he gets offered something by Gingrich.

But then again, everything about this race has been a surprise the whole campaign season.

149 posted on 01/26/2012 1:26:10 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: JDW11235

You only have a problem with Catholics that actually adhere to the doctrine. Got it.


150 posted on 01/26/2012 6:50:09 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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