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Gingrich Space Plan Promises the Moon, Literally: Lunar Base by 2020
Space.com ^ | 25 January 2012 Time: 07:07 PM ET | Mike Wall

Posted on 01/26/2012 7:36:33 AM PST by The_Victor

The United States will have a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020 if Newt Gingrich is in charge, the Republican presidential hopeful announced today (Jan. 25).

Gingrich laid out this goal during a speech in the city of Cocoa, on Florida's Space Coast. He also said that near-Earth space would be bustling with commercial activity by 2020, and that America would possess a next-generation propulsion system by then, allowing the nation to get astronauts to Mars quickly and efficiently.

"By the end of my second term, we will have the first permanent base on the moon, and it will be American," Gingrich said.

The former Speaker of the House made no apologies for the boldness of his amibitions, which depend primarily on the emergence of a vibrant commercial spaceflight industry. He said the U.S. space program needs a kick in the pants like the one President John F. Kennedy gave it in 1961, when he promised to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade.

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bhonasa; biggovtconservative; catastrophism; fl2012; livingdocument; nasa; newt2012; space
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1 posted on 01/26/2012 7:36:36 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor

Newt- NASA - Moonbase

Obama - NASA - Muslim outreach

Any questions?


2 posted on 01/26/2012 7:43:07 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: The_Victor

I agree with this proposal wholeheartedly.

Historically, exploration and colonization has lead to some of the greatest increases in national wealth. Recapturing a lead in space can only help this country.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 7:44:30 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: The_Victor
2010 if Newt had his way:



2010 because the Democrats got their way:

4 posted on 01/26/2012 7:45:19 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: The_Victor

1000% backing this plan!

LLS


5 posted on 01/26/2012 7:45:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Recession: You have no job* Depression: I have no job* Recovery: obama has no job!)
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To: The_Victor

Great. Love it. Nothing wrong with appealing to folk’s dreams and ambitions, even their fantasies, so long as you aren’t asking them to pay for your own without giving them a choice in the matter. Involvement in such a plan would excite me, as I’m sure it would many others.

Actually thought the details he gave here on the idea showed a very considered and well-thought-out approach to this topic: it’s clearly something he’s reflected very carefully on. Enormous potential and opportunity in this field for so many aspects of business and industry.

Have to admit I’m just a tad worried what the MSM may make of this in their write-ups, though. I can see some of the ridiculous headlines already...


6 posted on 01/26/2012 7:45:56 AM PST by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: ILS21R
The United States will have a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020 if Newt Gingrich is in charge Any questions?

Why does anyone assume that spending our tax money on a lunar base is a good thing? It's just another boondoggle - a form of corporate welfare no different than the green energy fiasco of 0bama.

7 posted on 01/26/2012 7:46:49 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: The_Victor

If I learned anything from reading Heinlein, I learned the importance of controlling the high ground....


8 posted on 01/26/2012 7:46:58 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: The_Victor
It won't happen because NASA has forgotten how to build Saturn V rockets or their modern equivalents.

The Lost Art of the Saturn V

9 posted on 01/26/2012 7:47:17 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Eepsy
If I learned anything from reading Heinlein, I learned the importance of controlling the high ground....

Heinlein wrote FICTION. If you learned anything from him it should be how to write.

10 posted on 01/26/2012 7:48:54 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I haven’t heard all he has to say about his proposed space program, but it is my understanding that he is wanting to give free enterprise and the private sector more of a seat at the table vis a vis funding.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 7:49:43 AM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: Eepsy

That, and “an armed society is a polite society”.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 7:51:43 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: from occupied ga

Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures-Ralph Waldo Emerson


13 posted on 01/26/2012 7:53:39 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: TEXOKIE

If it is PRIVATELY FUNDED, then I’m all for it. As long as the taxpayers aren’t expected to foot the bill space exploration is fine. Let those who want to spend fortunes for no tangible return put their money up and I’ll cheer them and hope they get something out of it.


14 posted on 01/26/2012 7:54:07 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
Either we beat the chicoms and ivan there or we literally live under them. You do not want that reality to come to pass. Some of us learned from the cold war... here is a plan that a great man had, "WE WIN... THEY LOSE!". Reagan

LLS

15 posted on 01/26/2012 7:54:07 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Recession: You have no job* Depression: I have no job* Recovery: obama has no job!)
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To: The_Victor

Good. I’ll have somewhere to move when our government collapses under its massive debt.

Just a thought- is this right wing engineering that Newt supposedly deplores?


16 posted on 01/26/2012 7:55:14 AM PST by almcbean
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To: LibLieSlayer

People also laughed at Reagan for proposing “Star Wars.”


17 posted on 01/26/2012 7:56:27 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Either we beat the chicoms and ivan there or we literally live under them

Not true. Did you examine the physics and economics of it or is this just something you got from reading science fiction? Do you have any idea what the cost of a moon base would be?

18 posted on 01/26/2012 7:57:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: The_Victor

Are all you moonbase supporters going to step up and say “raise our taxes” or do you want to borrow money for this also?


19 posted on 01/26/2012 7:58:17 AM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: from occupied ga

That’s what they said after we bought Alaska after we just lost over 100,000 people and billions(in today’s money) of dollars fighting a civil war.


20 posted on 01/26/2012 7:58:40 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: ari-freedom

“Appetite is the best pickle.” Ben Franklin.


21 posted on 01/26/2012 7:59:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga; All

From the above article:

“The former Speaker of the House made no apologies for the boldness of his amibitions, WHICH DEPEND PRIMARILY ON THE EMERGENCE OF A VIBRANT COMMERCIAL SPACEFLIGHT INDUSTRY. (Caps mine, texokie) He said the U.S. space program needs a kick in the pants like the one President John F. Kennedy gave it in 1961, when he promised to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade.”


22 posted on 01/26/2012 7:59:24 AM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: The_Victor

Colonization of the moon or Mars would be pointless and ruinously expensive — unless you’re an aerospace contractor, of course. Human life does not prosper over long periods in zero-G. There are no resources out there that can be economically harvested. Science can be conducted far more economically and extensively if life support for human flag-wavers is not required.

These adventures are very exciting, especially for those who stand to make a buck from them, but in large measure they’re a distraction from real and pressing business at home that needs taking care of.

Better than a new war is about all I can say for it.


23 posted on 01/26/2012 7:59:48 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Either we beat the chicoms and ivan there or we literally live under them. You do not want that reality to come to pass. Some of us learned from the cold war... here is a plan that a great man had, "WE WIN... THEY LOSE!". Reagan

I have a hunch if this comes to fruition, the Russians and ChiComs will have a role, I cannot see it entirely being an American project.

24 posted on 01/26/2012 8:00:48 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: VanDeKoik

So you’re equating the moon to Alaska? (Remember the devil is in the details)


25 posted on 01/26/2012 8:01:48 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
It's just another boondoggle - a form of corporate welfare no different than the green energy fiasco of 0bama.

You're wrong. In addition to new discoveries, fantastic technology is designed to support space missions. Technology that carries over to the masses and is used and enjoyed by the world today.

26 posted on 01/26/2012 8:02:01 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: Romulus

We have a permanent manned space station in space (thanks to Reagan and those who followed in his footsteps). We could have the same thing, except it would be on the moon.


27 posted on 01/26/2012 8:03:44 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: The_Victor
Gingrich Calls for Permanent Lunar Colony

Gingrich talks Space with Industry Leaders

28 posted on 01/26/2012 8:04:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TEXOKIE

I interpret his quote as meaning that he wants the taxpayers to dump billions into the aerospace industry. “kick in the pants.”


29 posted on 01/26/2012 8:04:29 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I wish more FReepers knew what limited government and enumerated powers meant.


30 posted on 01/26/2012 8:07:21 AM PST by running_dog_lackey
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To: The_Victor
"All your moonbase are belong to us!"


31 posted on 01/26/2012 8:08:36 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: The_Victor

Oh yeah, Florida, NASA, pander. Well Newt is a good politician. If it was Arkansas, it would be chicken farms on the moon. I’m getting too cynical, I need to go away. I’m sure I’ll get a second on that.


32 posted on 01/26/2012 8:08:36 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: throwback

“Oh yeah, Florida, NASA, pander. Well Newt is a good politician.”

He’s been saying this for years if you were paying any attention.


33 posted on 01/26/2012 8:10:25 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: from occupied ga

Yes.

Both are/were seen as wastelands of no value. In the beginning, going to Alaska might as well have been going to the moon.

Either could have/can be left to the Russians or another power, which in the case of Alaska would have caused us all types of grief in the 20th century.

Both has/can lead to billions in resources and economic expansion for the U.S..


34 posted on 01/26/2012 8:11:07 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: The_Victor

How about we go to the moon again after we pay off our debts? I dont fancy borrowing more money at interest from the Chinese to fund their millitary expansion.


35 posted on 01/26/2012 8:12:39 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: The_Victor
I thought Bachmann's <$2.00/gal gas was a much more reasonable, practical and achievable objective.

When Ceasar pays off all his debt, then he can have some monumentally cool play money. As of now, there is no technology outside of geosynchronous orbit that makes the cost of getting there profitable.

36 posted on 01/26/2012 8:13:21 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: ILS21R
fantastic technology is designed to support space missions. Technology that carries over to the masses and is used and enjoyed by the world today.

Again, not true. The only technology that was developed specifically for space missions was large rocket engines. and "the masses" don't use these. In fact most of the electronics were adapted from comercial products. If you have specific examples please list them - oh and I don't consider Tang to be all that big a deal.

Another thing that you're assuming is that technology requires government incentives and taxpayer funding to advance. The is a false assumption. I guarantee you that things like the iPhone and iPad were done WITHOUT government funding and do not owe anything to any government lab. In fact be taking vast sums out of the free market and directing them to a specific governmental goal will greatly SLOW the pace of commercial technology development.

37 posted on 01/26/2012 8:13:28 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ari-freedom

A lunar base would be vastly more expensive and hazardous than an earth-orbiting station.


38 posted on 01/26/2012 8:14:02 AM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: from occupied ga

Did you listen to Newt’s speech? Do you understand his remarks about prizes?


39 posted on 01/26/2012 8:14:26 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: from occupied ga

The buggy rolled silently down the ramp. The debris was almost nonexistent at the sixth level, but Lin still found herself stopping every few hundred yards to pick up another body. The cart wasn’t filling up as fast as it had in her first shift. At this rate it would be a full cycle before she could return to her bunk.

At least she no longer recognized any faces.

Lin thought about her little compartment on level two. It had been older, with no personal kitch or bath, but so much larger than the lower level models that forsook all space for privacy. She had had her fill of privacy working the stacks and relished the bustle of the public spaces, the amity of shared meals, and, above all, the ability to stretch out flat and wide on a proper bed. It was all behind the lock, now. THEY were all behind the lock. God only knew what was sleeping in her bed now.


40 posted on 01/26/2012 8:20:53 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: from occupied ga
Heinlein wrote FICTION.

I've never read the very popular and widely beloved Heinlein, but at least I know that good fiction is never just fiction. It delivers truth, as opposed to fact. Indeed, truth can be much clearer in fiction than in fact.

41 posted on 01/26/2012 8:20:55 AM PST by Lady Lucky (A tea party in name only is worse than no tea party at all.)
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To: VanDeKoik

600,000 lost in the civil war.


42 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:38 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: from occupied ga
Again, not true

Again, it is true. I shouldn't have to do the legwork for lazy libs, but here:

"Smoke detectors were first developed and installed aboard the Skylab space station in the 1970s. This technology eventually reached the consumer market, and these devices are now standard household items."

Any idea how many lives smoke detectors have saved?

Read more: Space Inventions Used on Earth | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7350873_space-inventions-used-earth.html#ixzz1ka5qM26I

Now go occupy something.

43 posted on 01/26/2012 8:23:42 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: ari-freedom
Sorry, Newt Gingrich isn't my life. I'll grant you the technology spinoffs from NASA were probably more significant than Facebook.
44 posted on 01/26/2012 8:23:42 AM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: The_Victor

If we could send all the liberal/progressive/commie to the moon, pow zoom, I would definitely support a moon station.
It would be ideal for them. No oil or carbon output.


45 posted on 01/26/2012 8:23:53 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: from occupied ga

I suspect that when it comes to Heinlein, you are illiterate and not really able to comment in a creditable manner. That would mean your post is drivelous blather that costs bandwidth


46 posted on 01/26/2012 8:24:41 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Lady Lucky

Thank you for mentioning the prizes. Of course nobody reads that far, they just want to make fun of someone who wants to go to the moon because it’s such a “waste.” That’s exactly what a liberal would say. Forget about unleashing the ingenuity and genius of the American people.
Nobody remembers that Lindberg flew across the Atlantic to win the $25,000 Orteig Prize. Better to just listen to the RINOS and their small minds as they mock any inspirational idea.


47 posted on 01/26/2012 8:25:58 AM PST by HectorOne
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To: Romulus

The surface of the moon or mars is not zero-G. The resources to be exploited are astronomical both in quantity and value.


48 posted on 01/26/2012 8:26:51 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: ILS21R

“Newt- NASA - Moonbase
Obama - NASA - Muslim outreach
Any questions?”

Yep. I’ve got one.

Where’s the ton of money to pay for this going to come from?

Nice rhetoric from Newt.
It’s a campaign, remember?

(BTW, before you attack me, I’ll be voting for Mr. Gingrinch in the primary and in the general, if he makes it)


49 posted on 01/26/2012 8:27:11 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: VanDeKoik
Both has/can lead to billions in resources and economic expansion for the U.S..

I disagree. You're overlooking several things:

  1. First and foremost is the immense cost of getting anything back from the moon. There is literallly no material substance that could be obtained on the moon that wouldn't be cheaper to obtain right here on earth
  2. Second, WHAT is on the moon anyway? Alaska gave things like gold, oil, fish, timber. Since the moon doesn't have air or life, we can let out fish and timber. Since the latest moon formation theory considers it to be the ejecta from the mantle due to a really large collision early in earth's history, it is unlikely to have much in the way of heavy metals, and I doubt it has much oil, but even if it were composed of crude oil it would not be economically feasible to exploit it. It short to the best of anyone's knowledge it's a ball of rock, and if you want rocks, you can pick them up just about anywhere prety cheaply.
  3. There is the lost opportunity cost. For every dollar spent (or squandered) that is forcibly extracted form the taxpayers, a dollar's worth of something that those selfsame taxpayer actually want isn't manufactured developed or purchased.
In short a taxpayer funded lunar colony is nothing but a giant waste of resources.
50 posted on 01/26/2012 8:27:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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