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Today, I returned to the abortion clinic where I aborted my babies 12 years ago
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/26/12 | Kelly Clinger

Posted on 01/26/2012 10:53:52 AM PST by wagglebee

Note: Kelly Clinger, a performer and former backup singer for the pop star Britney Spears, had two abortions when she was in her early twenties. She blogs about her pro-life activities here.

January 26, 2012 (KellyClinger.com) - This morning I returned to the clinic where I had my abortions 12 years ago to pray for and plead with moms not to make the decision I made so many years ago.

As I pulled into a parking spot, I sat in the car for a minute and closed my eyes. I wanted to pray that I wouldn’t fall apart; but before I could utter a word, a movie began playing in my head. I could see that hurting, desperate 23-year-old girl who pulled into this very same parking spot in 2000. And suddenly I remembered it all:

Every room in that building.

The faces of the nurses.

The pictures of angel’s wings on the ceiling.

I remembered tripping on my way to the car because I was drugged and crying uncontrollably.

I even remembered the abortionist’s hands.

Perhaps I was being naïve, but I wasn’t prepared for the flood of emotions that came.

I also didn’t expect to be overcome with compassion for the mothers and fathers who were arriving one after the other and were convinced that killing their child was their only choice. I could tangibly sense the despair and the hopelessness they felt. I remember it so well.

I spoke with Robert and Lucia. They are both 18-years-old, and Robert just enlisted in the military. He said his father abandoned him and if they have a child now, he wouldn’t be around to take care of the baby. Lucia didn’t say much, but her heart was not soft to hear what we had to say. We asked Robert how he could take a vow to defend America and then his first act as a Marine was going to be taking the life of his own child. He came out of the clinic several times and heard our pleas. But he chose death for his child.

I spoke with Beverly who already has four children and said the child in her womb had no heartbeat. I told her we would take her to the hospital around the corner to be sure, but she refused. She even looked right at me as said, “I know that God creates life.” She came out many times to smoke and would cry at the truth of my words. But she chose death for her child.

Matt and I talked to a young couple that looked to be about four months along in their pregnancy. They are both atheists and at first they were cussing at us and saying they weren’t going to listen. After awhile, however, they seemed to begin to soften a bit. She told us that the doctor told her she was too small to bear children and she would die in childbirth. We offered to take her to a high-risk OB/GYN to find out what the problem was, but just as she began to talk to us, her boyfriend grabbed her and took her in. Forty-five minutes later, she came out stumbling and groggy as her boyfriend opened the car door for her. I couldn’t help but think “So now you decide to be a gentleman? You are about forty-five minutes too late.” They chose death for their child.

Of the forty-six women who walked into this abortion clinic today, two chose life. I know that heaven rejoices because those two babies were saved, but I wanted to do more.

At one point, one of the sidewalk counselors was pleading with the girls from outside the window. “You know that girl you were when you walked in that door? If you kill your child, you will never be that girl again.”

I began to weep…grieving that Kelly.

But then I felt such an immense sense of gratitude. While I will never be that Kelly, I am a new creation. I remembered Ephesians 2. I was dead in my sins, but because of His great love for me, God, who is rich in mercy, made me alive with Christ even when I was dead in transgressions.


Me and my hero, John,
who pleads for the babies every day.

As I left, I tried driving through my tears. How do you get past the heaviness that you feel for the babies and for the women who will suffer depression, addiction, suicidal thoughts, and lifelong regret?

However, once I stopped crying, I became very angry…like Jesus-turning-over-tables angry. My friend John, who prays outside of this clinic every day, said that he cannot get one church to support him. He wasn’t even talking about financial support…he was talking about prayer support, sending people to pray, anything.

This infuriates me.

Honestly, this makes me never want to step foot in a church again.

There are hundreds of churches within a 15-mile radius of this Orlando abortion clinic. While they are updating their offices, paying for sound systems, and preaching their fluffy messages, babies are dying…over 3000 a day.

Friends, hear me, we must shake off our dullness and be SILENT NO MORE…and STAGNANT no more!

I am angry with pastors who never mention abortion and will not lend a hand to people like my friend, John. I am angry with those who think that writing a check is enough and never think about actually doing anything for the unborn.

I am angry with Christians who do nothing to stand for the least of these and still call themselves Christians.

GOD.HAVE.MERCY.


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I am angry with pastors who never mention abortion and will not lend a hand to people like my friend, John. I am angry with those who think that writing a check is enough and never think about actually doing anything for the unborn.

I am angry with Christians who do nothing to stand for the least of these and still call themselves Christians.

Until abortion is ended, NONE of us will have done enough.

1 posted on 01/26/2012 10:54:03 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/26/2012 10:54:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/26/2012 10:57:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

What a courageous lady! She is so right about churches today.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 11:03:16 AM PST by AnnGora (I'm suing my tagline for sexual harrassment.)
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To: wagglebee

I do not accept abortionist who have “realized” the error of their ways. This trash aborted 2 kids and now that she is suddenly calling for life we appluad her? Negative. Now that the act is done, she is suddenly pro life...I am very not convinced her and other abortionist wouldn’t again kill their unborn if the opportunity presented themselves. By telling them we accept them, we are kind of perpetuating the problem ourselves. Having a murderer speak on our behalf on this issue infuriates me. The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 11:14:34 AM PST by BloodAngel
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Bump!


6 posted on 01/26/2012 11:18:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BloodAngel

Wow. It’s a good thing you’re not God.

Must be nice to be without sin. I know I’m not worthy of the Lord’s mercy because, unlike you, I’m a sinner.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 11:30:34 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: BloodAngel
The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.

Paul was an accessory to murder, if not a murderer directly, but God used him anyway.

8 posted on 01/26/2012 11:31:23 AM PST by bkopto (Obama is merely a symptom of a more profound, systemic disease in American body politic.)
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To: surroundedbyblue; bkopto

I bet you both vehemently called for Tookie williams to be killled and dismissed liberals using his “recovery” as nonsense. Oh, but because it’s an issue you want and need support in, you’re willing to overlook past actions. Abortion is murder, she has killed two people...yes, defend her. Let her be your mouth piece.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 11:37:50 AM PST by BloodAngel
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To: bkopto

and so was David. We hope and pray for God’s mercy and forgiveness.


10 posted on 01/26/2012 11:38:05 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: BloodAngel; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
I do not accept abortionist who have “realized” the error of their ways. This trash aborted 2 kids and now that she is suddenly calling for life we appluad her? Negative. Now that the act is done, she is suddenly pro life...I am very not convinced her and other abortionist wouldn’t again kill their unborn if the opportunity presented themselves. By telling them we accept them, we are kind of perpetuating the problem ourselves. Having a murderer speak on our behalf on this issue infuriates me. The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.

Interesting, have you ever read the Bible?

Read chapters 7 and 9 of Acts sometime.

The Apostle Paul was the worst of the worst, yet his conversion was INSTANTANEOUS.

There are tens of millions of women in America who have aborted children, if we aren't willing to forgive and embrace them we have no chance of ever succeeding.

11 posted on 01/26/2012 11:38:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BloodAngel

Only God knows the hearts of men. If she is not truly repentant then He knows and will deal accordingly.

Perhaps she is trying to make expiation as best she can under the circumstances.

In any case, she does not speak for me or anyone else; only herself.

But I am glad that God is merciful to the repentant sinner.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 11:39:39 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: BloodAngel
I do not accept abortionist who have “realized” the error of their ways. This trash aborted 2 kids and now that she is suddenly calling for life we appluad her? Negative. Now that the act is done, she is suddenly pro life.

The reason we do not permit relatives of victims to sit on juries is that we fear that they will view things emotionally rather than rationally. Being male, and only really knowing one female at the time of her pregnancies well enough to begin to generalize (She's a grandma now!) I might be off the wall here but pregnancy, especially the first one right after the woman knows, is an extremely emotional time. I think it's precisely why women shouldn't be allowed to kill at this time. (I'd extend it to any time too, but everyone who favors abortion favors early abortions, and so that's why I make the point I do here.)

ML/NJ

13 posted on 01/26/2012 11:42:59 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: wagglebee

Accepting it is promoting it.


14 posted on 01/26/2012 11:43:07 AM PST by BloodAngel
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To: BloodAngel; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Accepting it is promoting it.

Accepting WHAT exactly?

Do you mean accepting that they, like us, are sinners in need of God's grace and forgiveness? I certainly accept and promote that.

15 posted on 01/26/2012 11:46:59 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BloodAngel
To forgive a repentant sinner is not to accept her sin.
16 posted on 01/26/2012 11:47:27 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BloodAngel

I guess Jesus was wrong then when he spoke to St. Dismas, the Penitent Thief.


17 posted on 01/26/2012 11:53:04 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: BloodAngel

Luke 18:9-14

9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”


18 posted on 01/26/2012 11:57:46 AM PST by time4good
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To: Shadow44

It amuses me how y’all interject God concerning a murderer of the unborn in defense of having a murderer justifiably be the mouth piece for life. All while dismissing the same tactics by the left when they talk about repentant child molesters, rapists and murderers of the born.

Again though, I forget, we’re talking about *your* issues so it is ok to be a little hypocritical.


19 posted on 01/26/2012 12:00:07 PM PST by BloodAngel
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To: BloodAngel

Just curious: are you a Christian? Because if so, you’ve got a very distorted & twisted view of repentance. May God show you more mercy than you are willing to show others. Prayers for you.


20 posted on 01/26/2012 12:01:05 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: BloodAngel; wagglebee; All
It amuses me how y’all interject God concerning a murderer of the unborn in defense of having a murderer justifiably be the mouth piece for life. All while dismissing the same tactics by the left when they talk about repentant child molesters, rapists and murderers of the born.

Again though, I forget, we’re talking about *your* issues so it is ok to be a little hypocritical.

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Where on this thread did you see anyone post anything even approaching what you are accusing us all of?

21 posted on 01/26/2012 12:05:33 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BloodAngel

What are you talking about? The only person who has mentioned Williams (whoever he is) is you.


22 posted on 01/26/2012 12:08:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BloodAngel

Yea, how dare Saul change his name to defend the man who’s followers he murdered.

The Hippocrit! /s

We forgive those who see the error of their ways, which one of us have nOt sinned?

I am more pro life then most people I know. I even believe abortion is wrong in the case of incest or rape.

I am the product of a rape, had abortion been legal when I was born in the 1950’s, then I would not be here today.

However, I forgive her, and I thank God that she has seen the truth before she had more abortions.

Shame on you, shame on you for not forgiving.

I guess you will be voting for Romney, because Newt is a sinning adulterer. Me, I forgive him, because like this woman, she asked God to forgive her. That is why Christ shed his blood on Calvary, so we can be forgiven.


23 posted on 01/26/2012 12:09:02 PM PST by OneVike ((Just a Christian waiting to go home) internet ID:: impeachobamanow)
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To: BloodAngel

I don’t think it’s fair to compare emotionally compromised women who are often pressured and coerced into having abortions to that of serial killers and sexual predators.

I don’t know if she was pressured or not, but I’ll entertain the possibility of that.


24 posted on 01/26/2012 12:12:50 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: BloodAngel
It amuses me how y’all interject God concerning a murderer of the unborn in defense of having a murderer justifiably be the mouth piece for life.

As a repentant murderer, she makes an effective spokeswoman because she's "been there" - not because pro-lifers think it's great (or even a matter of indifference) that she had abortions.

All while dismissing the same tactics by the left when they talk about repentant child molesters, rapists and murderers of the born.

When do the left do that? Exactly which "repentant child molesters, rapists and murderers of the born" are you talking about?

25 posted on 01/26/2012 12:12:54 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BloodAngel

“...I am very not convinced her and other abortionist wouldn’t again kill their unborn if the opportunity presented themselves.”

I doubt very much that she would ever have another abortion. I don’t know where you get it that she’s just itching to slaughter another baby.


26 posted on 01/26/2012 12:17:28 PM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: BloodAngel

What would you have this woman do? Go hide out in her home forever in shame?

Do you not believe that her sins will be forgiven?

Isn’t she, who knows the emotional pain that abortion causes, the ideal person to advance the pro-life message?


27 posted on 01/26/2012 12:18:07 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: trisham

So forgiveness can only be applied when levied against me on this issue? He was a killer in prison who “realized the error of his ways” in prison. The point being, liberals make this exact argument to defend having shady people and are ridiculed for it by conservatives. Only to have us, for our issues, do the exact same thing. The difference I see between myself and many of you, is that abortion is murder to me and I think should be a jailable offense carrying capital punishment.

Sad how I am villianized but an abortionist is touted...you people have your priorities pot on. I mean I’m just calling for life to be appreciated and respected...but these women not only are calling for the same thing, but have killed innocent people..yay them!


28 posted on 01/26/2012 12:18:35 PM PST by BloodAngel
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To: BloodAngel

Unfortunately, abortion is not illegal. Murder, rape, and child molestation are.

A murderer can go to heaven, but the state can still put him or her (Carla Faye Tucker, for example) to death. There are consequences to every sin, whether it is obvious or not. If we have broken man’s law, by man we are punished. If we have broken God’s law, as all of us have, to God we must answer.

While it would be better if man’s law and God’s law were in perfect harmony, God does grant certain authority to the state to punish evildoers and to protect the innocent (Romans 13).

You seem a little confused.


29 posted on 01/26/2012 12:19:17 PM PST by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: BloodAngel

http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org

Jesus forgave us and taught us to forgive, we should follow Him.


30 posted on 01/26/2012 12:22:56 PM PST by Coleus (John 3:16, John 6:53-58)
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To: BloodAngel
Again though, I forget, we’re talking about *your* issues so it is ok to be a little hypocritical.

By your rhetoric, it is apparent the pro-life cause is not your issue.

Forgiveness is part and parcel of the Judeo-Christian heritage on which this country was founded.

If you have a problem with pro-lifers or the forgiveness explicit in our Judeo-Christian heritage, then you will not last long on FreeRepublic. The attitudes you are expressing on this thread certainly do not belong on this forum.

31 posted on 01/26/2012 12:25:01 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: BloodAngel

I’m thinking you should review the quote on your own home page again.

I would also be interested to hear of your efforts in trying to turn young women away from abortion.


32 posted on 01/26/2012 12:25:26 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: BloodAngel
Sad how I am villianized but an abortionist is touted.

She is a repentant abortionist. She is not being celebrated for having an abortion. She is being admired for recognizing that what she did was wrong, and taking action to make amends.

God no longer views her as "an abortionist", but as a saved sinner seeking grace.

33 posted on 01/26/2012 12:29:04 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Retired Greyhound; BloodAngel
Let's at least get our terminology correct.

At one time, this woman had an abortion. The abortion was performed by an abortionist.

This woman is not an abortionist.

Definition of ABORTIONIST
: one who induces abortion

a·bor·tion·ist

/əˈbɔrʃənɪst/ Show Spelled[uh-bawr-shuh-nist] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who performs or induces abortions, especially illegally.
2.
a person who favors or advocates abortion as a right or choice that all women should have: usually intended as an offensive term.

34 posted on 01/26/2012 12:35:36 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: BloodAngel

I don’t know if Tookie Williams accepted Christ into his life, but I hope he did. And it’s well known that serial killer and cannibal Jeffery Dahmer was saved before death.

Does this piss you off? Would you refuse to enter Heaven if Tookie and Dahmer are there?

You sound very angry today.


35 posted on 01/26/2012 12:35:42 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: BloodAngel
He was a killer in prison who “realized the error of his ways” in prison. The point being, liberals make this exact argument to defend having shady people and are ridiculed for it by conservatives.

If liberals had him speaking from prison on the wrongness of murder and how it should be illegal, I'd be all for that. I'm not sure what it is liberals did with regard to this guy, but I doubt it compares to how pro-lifers are putting this woman forward as a spokesperson.

36 posted on 01/26/2012 12:51:27 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BloodAngel

I’d like to refer you to your own homepage.


37 posted on 01/26/2012 12:51:33 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: BloodAngel
Kelly Clinger confessed and repented - unlike Tookie:

'Williams protests that he has no reason to apologize for these murders because he did not commit them. [...]

'The dedication of Williams’ book “Life in Prison” casts significant doubt on his personal redemption. This book was published in 1998, several years after Williams’ claimed redemptive experience. Specifically, the book is dedicated to “Nelson Mandela, Angela Davis, Malcolm X, Assata Shakur, Geronimo Ji Jaga Pratt, Ramona Africa, John Africa, Leonard Peltier, Dhoruba Al-Mujahid, George Jackson, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and the countless other men, women, and youths who have to endure the hellish oppression of living behind bars.” The mix of individuals on this list is curious. Most have violent pasts and some have been convicted of committing heinous murders, including the killing of law enforcement.

'But the inclusion of George Jackson on this list defies reason and is a significant indicator that Williams is not reformed and that he still sees violence and lawlessness as a legitimate means to address societal problems. There is also little mention or atonement in his writings and his plea for clemency of the countless murders committed by the Crips following the lifestyle Williams once espoused. The senseless killing that has ruined many families, particularly in African-American communities, in the name of the Crips and gang warfare is a tragedy of our modern culture. One would expect more explicit and direct reference to this byproduct of his former lifestyle in Williams’ writings and apology for this tragedy, but it exists only through innuendo and inference.'

STATEMENT OF DECISION
Request for Clemency by Stanley Williams

38 posted on 01/26/2012 1:02:14 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BloodAngel

Your argument makes no sense at all. Did you venture onto this thread simply to whine and insult others?


39 posted on 01/26/2012 1:39:29 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BloodAngel

She made a mistake and she is admitting it. She and millions of women since Roe vs wade have made the same mistake.


40 posted on 01/26/2012 1:43:21 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: BloodAngel

“Having a murderer speak on our behalf on this issue infuriates me”.

I understand you are upset with her decision to kill her two babies but think about this for a moment.... What this young woman has to say about her life is extremely important. She can illustrate her poor lifestyle choices and how abortion affected her life negatively. Plus, she can shed some light on just how abortion clinics and society verbally manipulate them into thinking that abortion is their only choice and a “simple procedure” to remedy a situation so she can go on with her life. Many times, people in a certain situation respond better to someone who has been in their shoes. Will a sixteen year old unwed girl listen more to a middle aged woman (with three kids and who has never had an abortion) or will they respond more to a younger person who made a horrible decision that she will regret forever?

If pro-life people ridicule, humiliate and refuse to accept a repentent person, then we simply show we have no feelings whatsoever to people who have made a horrible decision and changed later. Instead of embracing them into a community that is pro-life, should we shun them? If so, many other women will never discuss how abortion negatively affected their life. If this occurs, the pro-choice crowd wins... it solidifies the “it’s only tissue and not a baby” sentiment that is used so much.


41 posted on 01/26/2012 1:51:41 PM PST by momtothree
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To: wagglebee

That is a very powerful testimony.


42 posted on 01/26/2012 2:11:44 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BloodAngel
I do not accept abortionist who have “realized” the error of their ways. This trash aborted 2 kids and now that she is suddenly calling for life we appluad her? Negative.

You never heard of repentance?

Those who are blinded by the lies of Satan are blinded. They can't see the truth until God opens their eyes. There but for the grace of God go I. Or you. Or any of us.

There is just so much wrong with your condemnation of her that I hardly know where to begin.

However, these words come to mind.....

Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Matthew 9:13 Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Matthew 6:14-15 14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mark 11:25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.

And you're not perfect either.

43 posted on 01/26/2012 2:21:43 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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Having a murderer speak on our behalf on this issue infuriates me. The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.

God didn't think it was disgusting.....

Moses

David

Paul

44 posted on 01/26/2012 2:42:22 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: BloodAngel; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Having a murderer speak on our behalf on this issue infuriates me. The fact we ask murderers to speak for us is disgusting.

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

45 posted on 01/26/2012 2:48:37 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Ditto to your wonderful reply!


46 posted on 01/26/2012 3:05:17 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: BloodAngel

On the contrary, she is an incredible witness to God’s forgiveness and healing. It’s hard enough to reach women damaged by the Big Lie. They are too ashamed to reach for help from anyone because others will condemn them instead of help them find salvation through Christ on the Cross.

Thankfully, she doesn’t have to answer to anyone now but God.


47 posted on 01/26/2012 3:06:32 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: BloodAngel
Accepting it is promoting it.

No, it isn't.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

48 posted on 01/26/2012 3:11:12 PM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: BloodAngel

Tookie Williams = bad example for you to use. He was so violent that when he died, guards and prisoners alike heaved a sigh of relief.

No one was safe from his murderous reach, neither inside nor outside of that prison.


49 posted on 01/26/2012 4:00:21 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: metmom
VERY well said.

Thank you.

50 posted on 01/26/2012 4:04:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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