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Era of Voting for RINOs is Declared Over
Veritas2002 | 01-26-12 | Vanity

Posted on 01/26/2012 11:19:20 AM PST by veritas2002

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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Yet... the same guy was the FACE of the most far reaching conservative legislation since Ronald Reagan was President. Really, Contract For America probably stands second only to the Reagan Tax Cuts, and Newt was the guy on that, he wasn’t just bragging.


51 posted on 01/26/2012 12:58:42 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: biggerten

I prefer a Reaganite. You know, Gingrich. The one that has the party elites hysterical.


52 posted on 01/26/2012 12:59:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: veritas2002; My Favorite Headache; onyx; trisham; TheOldLady; DJ MacWoW; JoeProBono; RedMDer; ...

Paraphrasing she who can no longer be named, electability gave us losers Ford, Bush I, Dole, McLame. Supporting and voting for the crazy right winger gave us Ronald Reagan!


53 posted on 01/26/2012 1:00:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: VanDeKoik

The only one with real balls I voted for was President Reagan in 1984 and this was my first election since I was 18. The rest ever since, I help my nose while voting !

> I’m in my early 30’s and have NEVER had a candidate with some real balls to vote for as president.


54 posted on 01/26/2012 1:01:29 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: niteowl77

Now the one thing I can not believe is that Romeny woudld intentionally do anything to harm the LDS.


55 posted on 01/26/2012 1:02:01 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: ichabod1

Ron Paul is no leader. Doesn’t even want to be president. He’s just making a statement and getting paid megabucks to do it.


56 posted on 01/26/2012 1:02:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: Noumenon
could say that we need to learn to STOP voting for state supremacists, no what the party affiliation. But it’s a little too late for that, I fear. Now, there’s a butcher’s bill to be paid.

Seriously. It's Game Over, at this point. I don't think there's a damned thing that can be done. MAYBE after the United States collapses into regional countries, MAYBE we can reform a Reunited States..... but expect the Second Amendment to be gutted.

57 posted on 01/26/2012 1:04:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (Norm Lenhart knows nothing about reloading.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No kidding. WTF happened to her? It’s the most incredible reversal I’ve ever seen from a conservative warrior. I’m sick about it.


58 posted on 01/26/2012 1:04:38 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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59 posted on 01/26/2012 1:04:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: niteowl77

Now the one thing I can not believe is that Romeny woudld intentionally do anything to harm the LDS.


60 posted on 01/26/2012 1:05:05 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: veritas2002

I respect your opinion, but any Republican or conservative abstaining from voting is basically casting a vote for the opposition. That’s just how it is in a two part system. Obama and the Dems would love to see a few million more people do what you plan to do.


61 posted on 01/26/2012 1:06:29 PM PST by trublu
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; veritas2002
endorsed the environmentalist wet dream of a carbon cap-and-trade market

This is an out and out lie. He testified in Congress AGAINST crap and tax. And wrote a book in 2008, Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less.

endorsed an individual mandate in health-care,

Gingrich has addressed this repeatedly saying it's unconstitutional. He also addressed it in a debate saying they were grasping at anything to stop HillaryCare and the mandate was an awful solution.

62 posted on 01/26/2012 1:06:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: veritas2002
Let me clarify: I will NOT vote for Romney no matter what.

Me too.

And, frankly, I believe the GOP elite wants exactly that. I believe they want to lose to Obama. I believe some horrible American collapse is very close. And I believe the GOP would rather that the history books note that it was a Democrat at the helm at that time.

63 posted on 01/26/2012 1:07:05 PM PST by Lazamataz (Norm Lenhart knows nothing about reloading.)
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To: ichabod1
The key word there is "intentionally." 2012 is already showing every sign of delivering a whole lot of unintended consequenses.

Mr. niteowl77

64 posted on 01/26/2012 1:11:12 PM PST by niteowl77 (Mitt Romney: the horse the GOP elite intends to ride into the abyss. Or is it the other way around?)
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To: veritas2002

A pandemic of ignorance and stupidity has infected the GOP.

(*tightens tinfoil hat, glances suspiciously through mini-blinds before typing*)

Either that or things are much worse than we know and the GOP elite are using reverse psychology on us in order to saddle Obama with America’s epic collapse.

(*locks & relocks doors 3 times, tightens tinfoil again for better reception*)


65 posted on 01/26/2012 1:14:55 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: kalee; TitansAFC; onyx; LuvFreeRepublic; Sea Parrot; SweetCaroline; matthew fuller; Gator113; ...

Ping!


66 posted on 01/26/2012 1:16:38 PM PST by TitansAFC (Next time, GOP Establishment, back someone who isn't totally despised by the grassroots!)
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To: Lazamataz

See post #65.

Great minds and all ...


67 posted on 01/26/2012 1:17:46 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: veritas2002

My reason for not voting for Romney if he’s the nominee is that I’d rather Obama take all the blame for finishing the job of wrecking the place than have Romney come in as ‘the conservative’ and have conservatism trashed when he achieves essentially the same end.

I’ll write in Gingrich and sleep well at night.

People ask me today who I voted for in 2008 and I’m happy to say I wrote in Thompson. At the time, he was the most conservative guy with his hat in the ring.


68 posted on 01/26/2012 1:22:37 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Jim Robinson

“I absolutely will NOT vote for or support the abortionist/statist socialist healthcare pushing Mitt Romney under any circumstances whatsoever!!”

“The elite GOP establishment can KMA!!”

Those are my exact thoughts.

My grandfather taught me that nobody could ever take away a man’s integrity. He said that to lose your integrity, you had to give it away and once given, you can never get it back.

I’ve made it to 63 without giving away my integrity and I’ll be damned if I will give it up now by voting for Romney.

GO NEWT GO..........


69 posted on 01/26/2012 1:23:43 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: Lazamataz
The fix in in for Romney. If Newt does not pull off an upset in Florida, and it goes to Romney, I will simply not vote. I will let the GOP go down in flames. The difference between Romney and Obama is, Obama does not care about his job and spends most of his time on vacation, campaigning or playing.

Romney on the other hand, will try to engineer his Socialist, Bigger Government (more streamlined he says) and will actually do far more harm than this do nothing incompetent now in office.

70 posted on 01/26/2012 1:23:47 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: veritas2002
a MODERATE Massachusetts Governor

You're being very charitable. Romney is a full-blown, dyed-in-the-wool liberal. He's certainly more liberal than any of the other RINOs you listed, with the exception maybe of Ford.

71 posted on 01/26/2012 1:24:19 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: CharlotteVRWC
Newt and Mitt aren’t Marxists.....

Mitt is a northeastern elitist technocrat who, though he isn't a full-blown Marxist like Obama, share's Obama's absolute contempt for everyone who doesn't live in the I-95 corridor north of the Virginia-Maryland border.

72 posted on 01/26/2012 1:29:04 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: veritas2002
Here 'ya go:

Constitution Party

Seven Principles of the Constitution Party:

Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.

73 posted on 01/26/2012 1:30:02 PM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Lazamataz
... but expect the Second Amendment to be gutted.

From my cold, dead hands, FRiend ...

74 posted on 01/26/2012 1:33:06 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Robinson
I absolutely will NOT vote for or support the abortionist/statist socialist healthcare pushing Mitt Romney under any circumstances whatsoever!!

The elite GOP establishment can KMA!!

One of my biggest problems with Jim Robinson is you can never really be sure where he stands on an issue. /sarc

Seriously, give 'em hell, Jim!

75 posted on 01/26/2012 1:34:38 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: CharlotteVRWC
a non-vote is a vote for Obama.

If Willard gets the nomination i'll vote for Obama over Willard. At least i know where Obama is coming from.
76 posted on 01/26/2012 1:36:49 PM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Robe
It's too late for this cycle, but I feel that it's time the conservatives abandon the Republican Party and form one of our own. We will never wrench the power from the elite establishment. We need to think of what our core issues should be, start the process now. What do you think .....

I THINK we hear this same comment pretty often.. its like deja vu. Something like every 4 years or so. Interesting coincidence isnt it?
77 posted on 01/26/2012 1:38:07 PM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Jim Robinson

PLEASE DONATE TODAY


78 posted on 01/26/2012 1:39:34 PM PST by JoeProBono (Mater tua caligas gerit- A closed mouth gathers no feet -)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Lazamataz
... but expect the Second Amendment to be gutted.

The only thing that's gonna be gutted is the one who tries to take it from me!

79 posted on 01/26/2012 1:42:15 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: veritas2002

I don’t see how we survive massive debt,long term unemployment, and seemingly no real effort to stop either. Maybe I am just to much of a optimist?


80 posted on 01/26/2012 1:42:15 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: CharlotteVRWC
America will be destroyed if Obama wins again.

If Mitt wins he will govern as a near-far-left-of-center President. He will do NOTHING to reduce the scope and power of government. He will have accomplished nothing that would make people want him re-elected.

Then, in 2017 another Marxist will likely take power and "America will be destroyed"

Voting for Mitt will only delay our destruction, not prevent it. Nothing on this Earth will get me to vote for Mitt.

81 posted on 01/26/2012 1:46:57 PM PST by sand88 (Hey Rove et al, I will, with great pleasure, NOT cast a vote for the Statist Mitt.)
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To: wafflehouse

a non-vote is a vote for Obama.

If Willard gets the nomination i’ll vote for Obama over Willard. At least i know where Obama is coming from.

Let the new world order begin! I think about going on Welfare so I can get me some a peice of that pie. While it last.
Maybe sell a little crack on the side?


82 posted on 01/26/2012 1:48:08 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: biggerten

Your dead on.

No way were people going to vote for Ford after he pardoned Nixon. The country lost its collective mind after that.

Perot screwed that election up and the numbers back that up.

The economy was humming along during Dole’s stint as the sacrificial lamb. I really thought he’d win though as I figured America had learned what a scumbag Clinton was. Was I ever wrong.


83 posted on 01/26/2012 1:50:08 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: veritas2002

I agree 100% (I actually went off on a rant about it http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-i-wont-vote-for-mitt-romney-if-he.html). I am a lifelong Republican as well and after Reagan in my formative years the GOP has done nothing but nominate RINO losers ever since. Quality candidates like Phil Gramm, Steve Forbes and Jack Kemp were thrown to away so we could get the Bushes and Dole. And let’s not even talk about McCain.

I’m absolutely sick to my stomach at the thought of Romney as the nominee and as President. He is completely dishonest and doesnt believe in anything. When I watch Newt, I often get the feeling that he could actually make this country great again. When I look at Romney, he clearly is going to do nothing to make our long term situation better. In fact, like all the other RINO’s that have been elected, he will make it worse.


84 posted on 01/26/2012 1:50:52 PM PST by libertarian neocon
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To: ichabod1

Surely you jest !


85 posted on 01/26/2012 1:52:16 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: JediJones

Souter was a big boo-boo, no doubt. His biggest mistake, in my opinion.

The “no new taxes” thing is a side show.

In 1980, it wasn’t a 3rd party Republican, it was a 3rd party Democrat, Scoop Jackson.

Clinton was lock in ‘96 because Newt and company overplayed their hand, and it’s a pity they did. I appreciate the things Newt did, but he had the country on the right track and then blew it, putting Clinton back on offense when they had him on the ropes.


86 posted on 01/26/2012 1:57:18 PM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: ichabod1

“We need a guy like Ron Paul to lead us!”

Lead us where? To a rubber room?


87 posted on 01/26/2012 2:00:18 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: veritas2002

Bump


88 posted on 01/26/2012 2:02:32 PM PST by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
This is an out and out lie. He testified in Congress AGAINST crap and tax. And wrote a book in 2008, Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less.

A quick Google search turns up this link to an interview in which he out and out claims he would support cap-and-trade. The relevant quote s four questions from the bottom. I know he says he's against it now - when he's running for president. But which is it?

Gingrich has addressed this repeatedly saying it's unconstitutional. He also addressed it in a debate saying they were grasping at anything to stop HillaryCare and the mandate was an awful solution.

And another 2 second Google search turns up this video of a 2008 speech in Gingrich states that he's in favor of requiring that everybody either have insurance or post a bond. That IS an individual mandate. Maybe he's changed his mind about that too, but why should I trust a guy who has changed his mind from several positions antithetical to conservatism?

I will never vote for Romney. The guy is an instinctual Big Government liberal and his natural reaction to any problem is to grow government. But the fact that Romney is bad does not automatically make Gingrich good - the interview and video are Gingrich from just a few years ago endorsing Big Government "solutions". I need convincing evidence that Gingrich would preside as a conservative.
89 posted on 01/26/2012 2:05:24 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: biggerten

Whoops! It was John Anderson, had my years wrong.


90 posted on 01/26/2012 2:05:58 PM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: dainbramaged

91 posted on 01/26/2012 2:06:28 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: CharlotteVRWC

You think that Willard Romney, the man who signed socialized medicine into law isn’t a socialist? Wonders never cease.

I feel like I’m having a conversation with a leftist who tries to explain why Nazis weren’t socialists even though ‘socialist’ was part of the name.


92 posted on 01/26/2012 2:06:45 PM PST by Cato in PA (Alas, poor Mittens! We knew him too well.)
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To: biggerten
Bob Dole was indeed a war hero and that will never be taken away from him. However, I have to say that he ran the most dreadful presidential campaign of my lifetime - and my memory goes back to Nixon in '72. It was the most lackluster, uninspiring and insipid effort imaginable and I get depressed just thinking back to how I felt that summer and fall. I never want to feel that way again.

By the way, Bill Clinton WAS beatable in 1996.

I agree with the original poster that I'm done with RINOs. If Romney gets this nomination, I will be voting third party.

93 posted on 01/26/2012 2:06:52 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 9 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: veritas2002

I’m extremely depressed today. Every single fake conservative like Coulter, Faux News, Drudge, etc. is coming out of the woodwork to trash Newt and pimp Willard. I can no longer realistically consider myself a Republican.


94 posted on 01/26/2012 2:07:03 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: veritas2002

Let me repeat what used to be the standard FReeper voting protocol:

Vote against the RINO in the primary. Vote against the ‘Rat in the general. Repeat as needed.

This works at all levels from sheriff and alderman to POTUS.


95 posted on 01/26/2012 2:07:03 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: biggerten
In 1992, there was a populist little bugger from Texas with big ears named Perot who screwed things up. Not that Bush was perfect, but he did give us Clarence Thomas, a great Supreme pick.

Not true.I saw the exit polling after that race.A majority of the Perot voters would have voted for Clinton if Perot was not in the race.

96 posted on 01/26/2012 2:07:37 PM PST by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: Deb; All

Explain to us how a socialist health care creating, gay marriage starting, gun grabbing, pro-abortion puke like Romney is a conservative.

Dare ya.


97 posted on 01/26/2012 2:10:47 PM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m with you. No Mitt under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!


98 posted on 01/26/2012 2:19:19 PM PST by CASchack
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To: JediJones
The Dems got trounced in the House by Newt in 1994. Why was Clinton suddenly a lock in 1996? Didn’t take long for Newt to get the country on the right track I guess.

That, plus Slick Willy was smart enough to know where the winds were blowing.

99 posted on 01/26/2012 2:19:43 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: mdmathis6

I think there’s already a Constitution party/.


100 posted on 01/26/2012 2:23:19 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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