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And We Should Hate Newt Gingrich for This? (Re: Bob Dole "Goes Nuclear" on Newt)
Redstate ^ | January 26th, 2012 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 01/26/2012 11:55:13 AM PST by Qbert

All the members of the Republican Party who have been complicit and collaborative in the destruction of our nation in the past few decades always talking about smaller government while never fighting against the tide of creeping socialism have now come out against Newt Gingrich.

Yesterday, at National Review, Elliot Abrams attacked Newt Gingrich for attacking Ronald Reagan from the right.

Today, it is Bob Dole’s turn.

Bob Dole, you will remember from George Stephanoupolos’s memoir of his time in Clinton’s White House, totally cut the legs out from under Newt Gingrich and House Republicans during the government shut down. According to the Democrats, they were within twenty-four hours of caving to the House Republicans’ demands, but Bob Dole surprised them all by caving first.

Dole went on to lose to Bill Clinton and still hates Newt Gingrich for it because Gingrich was the face used to attack Dole — a man who would have been the hero in the fight had Dole not caved.

And we’re supposed to hate Newt Gingrich because Bob Dole caved to the Democrats twenty-four hours before they were going to cave to Gingrich?

Pffffft.

The fix is in for Romney, which just means when he is crushed by Barack Obama a lot of Republicans will have a lot of explaining to do. Newt may not be able to win. But Romney sure as hell can’t beat Obama either if Newt can’t win. The problem remains — Gingrich supporters intrinsically know this to be so and are happy to die fighting. Romney’s supporters are still deluding themselves.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bobdole; gingrich; newt; romney
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The last, desperate days of the Whigs...
1 posted on 01/26/2012 11:55:19 AM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Asking Bob Dole how to win a Presidential election is like asking the Cleveland Browns how to win a Super Bowl.


2 posted on 01/26/2012 11:59:36 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Qbert

“The last, desperate days of the Whigs... “

Yes to that! No more Doles, McLames, Bushes. No more old flatulent RINOs who could not govern if their life depended on it.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 11:59:59 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: Qbert

The GOP establishment have never stood up to liberals, they mingle well at all the ‘hot’ parties in Sodom and Gomorrah on the Potomac. Their sewer is about to get flushed.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 12:00:11 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Qbert

Going viral to expose this attempted execution of the Gingrich campaign in order to save Socialist Romney in Florida, may backfire right on time for Tuesday. IF we go to work.

We need to peck away on the ground, everyone of us, to defend and protect the only candidate with a voice against the Establishment. We must get outside our choir and speak for Newt.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 12:00:58 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: Qbert

Dole?! Who’s opinion’s next? Arlen Sphinctor?


6 posted on 01/26/2012 12:01:37 PM PST by albie
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To: Qbert

Bob Dole. Still living. Who knew.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 12:01:58 PM PST by mancini
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To: Qbert

Bob “Where’s the Outrage?” Dole came out against Newt? Well, that settles it...


8 posted on 01/26/2012 12:02:13 PM PST by Argus
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To: Qbert

—The last, desperate days of the Whigs...—

That is pretty much how I’ve been seeing this as well. Either the R’s are going to go back to their roots or they are going to collapse as a party.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 12:02:52 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Qbert

If you want a real laugh look at what Romney was doing and saying at the same time.

Openly supporting the democrat.

Declaring that he is a “moderate with progressive attitudes”

etc..


10 posted on 01/26/2012 12:03:55 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Qbert

The liberals in the repub. party are truly, truly desperate....!

Bob Dole sold out the conservaties yrs. ago and his wife was just as big a failure in office as he was....!

Is this what Mitt and his allies have fallen to..? Falling back on “old”, “worn-out”, “socialist” republicans...lol


11 posted on 01/26/2012 12:04:41 PM PST by swampfox101
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To: mancini
Bob Dole. Still living.

When that day comes (bless his soul) he will be dead four hours before all his body knows about it.

12 posted on 01/26/2012 12:09:21 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Qbert

Many of the criticisms I’ve seen from the establishment types are that Newt fights too hard, that he takes the fight to the Democrats, that he doesn’t like to reach across the aisle and give the Democrats our credit cards.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 12:09:54 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Qbert
Anybody rememeber back then how Newt labelled Dole as "The tax collector for the welfare state"?

A truly priceless quip!

FReegards!


14 posted on 01/26/2012 12:10:02 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Qbert

Newt was never more accurate than when he described this RINO LOSER as the “Tax collector for the welfare state.”.

What’s next. Will Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller rise from their graves to tag-team Newt?


15 posted on 01/26/2012 12:10:10 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
When that day comes (bless his soul) he will be dead four hours before all his body knows about it.

Makes me think of that line Mick Jagger sings right at the end of "Start Me Up."

16 posted on 01/26/2012 12:10:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: albie
Dole?! Who’s opinion’s next? Arlen Sphinctor?

Well, I was thinking of supporting Newt, but since Bob Dole is against him, that does it for me. /sarc

17 posted on 01/26/2012 12:12:09 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: dfwgator

LOL!!!


18 posted on 01/26/2012 12:13:35 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: RitaOK

"Going viral to expose this attempted execution of the Gingrich campaign in order to save Socialist Romney in Florida, may backfire right on time for Tuesday."

The Establishment is cooking up this whole attack to distract people from the fact that Romney is a liberal RINO.

Notice they never have anything positive to say about his record as governor- it's always negative hit jobs on other candidates? They make me sick.

19 posted on 01/26/2012 12:13:42 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Bob Dole-—good grief. They must be desperate to dredge him up. That gives me MORE reason to vote for Newt!


20 posted on 01/26/2012 12:13:47 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law.)
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To: Qbert

Dole has a grudge against Newt. From their Reagan days.


21 posted on 01/26/2012 12:14:21 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Qbert

I wonder if Newt will snark back, “Stop Lying About My Record!” :)


22 posted on 01/26/2012 12:16:36 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Qbert

I do remember this.

The so-called “government shutdown” was a beautiful piece of political theater. Because they agreed to fund those parts of the government we couldn’t get by without, and only shut down the parts that weren’t critical... and that was making our argument for limited government better than a thousand speeches.

Because, shutting down those parts we could live without, life went on. Aside from the people who worked in those agencies, no one missed them.

It was just starting to dawn on Dems that they were being had when the Repubs themselves went weak in the knees and they came to a compromise. This actually happened several times and each time it was Repubs who went weak right when they had the chance of the century to school the American people about limited government.

Dole is a great example of exactly what is wrong with the GOP. In a healthier country, he would be a mainstream Democrat.


23 posted on 01/26/2012 12:17:13 PM PST by marron
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To: Qbert

Bob Dole= Lancelot

There was an old knight named `Lancelot’
Looked on by conservatives askance a lot;
..Don’t ask me, hellifIknow
..Why, but on sight of a RINO
The front of his pants would advance a lot.


24 posted on 01/26/2012 12:18:22 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: Qbert

Believe me, Drudge knows what he’s doing.


25 posted on 01/26/2012 12:19:28 PM PST by weeweed (Proud Costco University graduate)
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To: marron

Imagine how different history would have been (and how much better shape our country would be in now)... if it hadn’t been for Dole’s selfishness back then. And for what?...


26 posted on 01/26/2012 12:21:01 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: mancini
Bob Dole. Still living. Who knew.

I don't like Mr. Dole's go along to get along approach to politics either. However, I honor his sacrifice in blood for our nation, his two purple hearts and Bronze Star with V device. Men who shed blood for our country should be honored, in my view, and not mocked. What do you think?


27 posted on 01/26/2012 12:21:07 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: Thane_Banquo
Asking Bob Dole how to win a Presidential election is like asking the Cleveland Browns Cavaliers how to win a Super Bowl.

There. Fixed it.
28 posted on 01/26/2012 12:21:36 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: vette6387

hey wait a second, GWB made some mistakes but he got elected twice AND he increased the number of republicans across the south elected to office. Further, it was Denny Hastert and Tom Delay that passed spending sprees, GWB just never vetoed any, cause we wanted the votes for Iraq.


29 posted on 01/26/2012 12:23:55 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: swampfox101

Two weeks ago they were all saying he was the ultimate insider and therefore not to be trusted but now they’re saying aw, nobody really liked him at all.” Last night on Micaburr (Michael Berry), Delay came on and lit Newt up, but about all he could say was that he kept changing priorities. He said the ethics charges were “crap”


30 posted on 01/26/2012 12:24:22 PM PST by ichabod1 (Mr. Gingrich)
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To: Qbert

Holy Crap - I figure the GOP ‘establishment’ was for Romeny- but until now I had no idea how far they would go to promote THEIR AGENDA and their guy

This is as bad as the democraps.

I like Newt even more now, and WE NEED A TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS


31 posted on 01/26/2012 12:24:22 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: OldCorps

John Murtha got two Purple Hearts in Nam, he was still a traitorous piece of you-know-what.


32 posted on 01/26/2012 12:24:33 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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John Murtha got two Purple Hearts in Nam, he was still a traitorous piece of you-know-what.

John Kerry? Did I hear someone mention John Kerry?

33 posted on 01/26/2012 12:27:01 PM PST by marron
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To: Qbert

To me an attack from Elliot Abrams is an attack from the left. Newt wanted to go harder on the Soviets, whereas the State Dept leftists wanted to go softer (aka give Gorby whatever Gorby wanted). Newt was arguing with Reagan against going softer. Think of it as a variant of Lady Thatcher telling GHWBush to show some backbone regarding the invasion of Kuwait. This is Newt providing support for Reagan to resist the wimps of State.


34 posted on 01/26/2012 12:27:39 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: albie

“Dole?! Who’s opinion’s next? Arlen Sphinctor?”

Nope, actually it was Norm Coleman, of all people. There’s an Op-Ed in today’s WSJ about it. Makes total sense.

He basically outs Romney’s strategy on Obamacare - swear you are going to repeal it, and when you get elected you nibble at the edges of it, give up and say, “Well, I did everything I could.”


35 posted on 01/26/2012 12:32:09 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: ichabod1

This is a coordinated attack by the leftis in the Republican party...!

They hate the religious right, the hate the conservative voters, they hate the tea party and yet they want our votes for the estbalishment lefty if he wins...! Screw’em..!


36 posted on 01/26/2012 12:38:12 PM PST by swampfox101
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It was clear some time ago that Sarah Palin didn’t have a party to belong to but is it true Newt doesn’t have one too?
The vampires are getting so bold they’re coming out into the light of day. Conservatives, do any of you still think you have a dog in the fight with the GOP? Maybe starving the mutt is the only way they might start to obey again?


37 posted on 01/26/2012 12:38:34 PM PST by Hayride
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To: OldCorps

I personally dont care if he crossed the Potomac with Washington.

He is working for Mitt, after failing miserably against Clinton in 96.

He was a lousy Senate leader to boot.

After he is long dead I still has to live in the nation he helped screw up by his screw ups.


38 posted on 01/26/2012 12:38:48 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: OldCorps

Are you attempting to teach me a lesson on some clever way? He was a LOUSY presidential candidate, but let’s not call him on that because he served. He’s doing a disservice here, but let’s not call him on that because he served. My comment was to insinuate that his time has passed IMO and he has become irrelevant. Don’t read more into it than that. Thanks.


39 posted on 01/26/2012 12:39:16 PM PST by mancini
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To: VanDeKoik

Dur... Delaware not Potomac.


40 posted on 01/26/2012 12:39:54 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: ichabod1
Delay came on and lit Newt up, but about all he could say was that he kept changing priorities. He said the ethics charges were “crap”

Delay?? He got 3-10 years in prison and is out pending appeal and he's going to light up Newt?

I'd think he would stay low in the "bushes" unless papa Bush instructed him to throw some more gas on the fire.

These sons of bitches are hoping for a brokered convention and then the sheeple will beg Jeb and his mesican wife and druggy daughter and good looking son Jorge, to save us from the bad obama.

I'm going to puke on my keyboard.

41 posted on 01/26/2012 12:40:04 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Qbert

I have two things against Romney. Only, really, two.

One is the fact that when Palin was being trashed, those of her attackers who were Repubs always turned out to be Romniacs. When the tea party was being trashed, those of our attackers who were Repubs always turned out to be Romniacs.

The second is this: When Obama won the election, and the GOP was as demoralized as I have ever seen it, most Repubs were doing backflips to prove that they could “reach across the aisle” to work with Obama. A very few stood up to fight back. Some in, some out of government. I said then that this is the moment for anybody to see their baggage forgiven and their past redeemed, if they will just stand up and fight.

Who stood up? A couple of pundits like Beck. Palin. Bachmann and DeMint. I remember Gingrich making some real barn-burner speeches (and then blowing it with his Scozzafava endorsement... I’m still mad about that...) And the “tea party” rebellion, where the rank and file stood up.

And Romney? AWOL. Fight of the century and he is no where to be found. We were fighting with teeth and nails to try and stop the Obamists and Romney was silent. I said then that anyone who sat out this fight was unworthy of being our “leader” because leaders lead. Fighters fight. They don’t sit at home waiting to be crowned “leader”. Romney always thought he deserved to be president just based on his sheer wonderfulness. He didn’t want to get down into the mosh pit to actually fight the Obamists.

He’ll fight Repubs, like Palin and Gingrich. He’ll send his proxies out to trash the tea party. But when we needed his voice two years back he was silent.


42 posted on 01/26/2012 12:41:08 PM PST by marron
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To: OldCorps
Men who shed blood for our country should be honored, in my view, and not mocked.

He was honored for his military service but mocked for his political cowardice 20 years later. Is that unfair?

43 posted on 01/26/2012 12:44:55 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: marron

well said


44 posted on 01/26/2012 12:46:33 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Qbert
when he is crushed by Barack Obama a lot of Republicans will have a lot of explaining to do.

No, they won't. They'll pull out the old mantra again: "All the conservative voters stayed home! It's their fault!"

45 posted on 01/26/2012 12:46:36 PM PST by kevao
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To: VanDeKoik

The most damning thing about the establishment campaign is that they continue to pile on Newt, but can’t articulate reasons to vote for Romney. Romney is basically Obama (not in theory but in practice), and is more dangerous in my opinion because he would enlarge the government while posing as a friend, whereas Obama is the enemy we know.


46 posted on 01/26/2012 12:48:46 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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To: Qbert
The Establishment is cooking up this whole attack to distract people from the fact that Romney is a liberal RINO.

Romneys pretty much been sliding by throughout this Primary...he has little to dodge for they aren't asking him the hard questions. So of course they are going to be slamming Newt...and he did say "Bring it on". He knows perfectly well who hates him and why....and he is choosing to fight.

My concern is they will go after his family as they did Palin, and not care one way or another if the public likes it or not. THat is a jugular vein for most and I have no doubt Newt's family will take some major hits in the not too distant future.

47 posted on 01/26/2012 12:50:10 PM PST by caww
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bob dole woke up from his nap in that rich development in south florida to pass judgment on what makes a winning candidate?!

ha ha ha.

viagra does not help boring candidates.


48 posted on 01/26/2012 12:54:20 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: OldCorps

What’s amazing to me is how men who showed such guts when face to face with the Nazis, the North Koreans, and the North Vietnamese, have those same guts turn to water when dealing with the likes of Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Katie Couric.


49 posted on 01/26/2012 12:56:19 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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50 posted on 01/26/2012 1:18:49 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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