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Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?
The American Dream ^ | 1-26-2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 01/26/2012 4:44:50 PM PST by blam

Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?

January 26, 2011

As the U.S. economy falls apart and as the world becomes increasingly unstable, more Americans than ever are becoming "preppers". It is estimated that there are at least two million preppers in the United States today, but nobody really knows. The truth is that it is hard to take a poll because a lot of preppers simply do not talk about their preparations.
Your neighbor could be storing up food in the garage or in an extra bedroom and you might never even know it. An increasing number of Americans are convinced that we are on the verge of some really bad things happening.
But will just storing up some extra food and supplies be enough? What is going to happen if we see widespread rioting in major U.S. cities like George Soros is predicting? What is going to happen if the economy totally falls to pieces and our city centers descend into anarchy like we saw in New Orleans during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? In some major U.S. cities such as Detroit, looting is already rampant.
There are some sections of Detroit where entire blocks of houses are being slowly dismantled by thieves and stripped of anything valuable. Sadly, the economy is going to get a lot worse than it is at the moment. So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities? Should preppers be seeking safer locations for themselves and their families? Those are legitimate questions.

According to a recent Gallup poll, satisfaction with the government is now at an all-time low. Americans are rapidly losing faith in virtually every major institution in society.

Anger and frustration are rising to very dangerous levels, and we are rapidly approaching a boiling point.

When people feel as though they have lost everything, they get desperate.

And desperate people do desperate things.

In many communities in the United States today, crime has become so terrifying that people are literally sleeping with their guns.

The following is a story from Rancho Cordova, California that one of my readers recently sent me....

When I first moved here, it was not a bad place, it was quiet and clean.

However, over the past three years this place has gone to the dumps there are thugs and unruly people everywhere.

I have prevented two car break-ins by scaring these thugs away.

While I was home on thanksgiving weekend, someone decided to break into my apartment.

They trashed my place stole all my items and even took my law enforcement (LE) vehicle to include my equipment.

I m sure they had been watching me for a while because they did not take items that contained my identification.

Thank god, I had my weapon with me.

In many areas of the country, law enforcement resources are being dramatically cut back due to budget problems at the same time that crime is rapidly rising.

Right now, the city of Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy. Officials there recently announced that due to budget constraints, all police stations will be closed to the public for 16 hours a day. From now on, they will only be open to the public from 8 AM to 4 PM.

But in Detroit the police are needed now more than ever. The following is what one British reporter found during his visit to Detroit....

Much of Detroit is horribly dangerous for its own residents, who in many cases only stay because they have nowhere else to go. Property crime is double the American average, violent crime triple. The isolated, peeling homes, the flooded roads, the clunky, rusted old cars and the neglected front yards amid trees and groin-high grassland make you think you are in rural Alabama, not in one of the greatest industrial cities that ever existed.

The population of Detroit is less than half of what it used to be. Over the past few decades people have left in droves, and large sections of the city are in an advanced state of decay.

Not too many people want to buy homes in Detroit now. At this point, the median price of a home in Detroit is just $6000.

The following video contains some video footage of the "ruins of Detroit" that is hard to believe.....

(Go to the site to see a video)

Detroit has become a very scary place. 100 bus drivers in Detroit recently refused to drive their routes out of fear of being attacked on the streets. The head of the bus drivers union, Henry Gaffney, said that the drivers were literally "scared for their lives"....

“Our drivers are scared, they’re scared for their lives. This has been an ongoing situation about security. I think yesterday kind of just topped it off, when one of my drivers was beat up by some teenagers down in the middle of Rosa Parks and it took the police almost 30 minutes to get there, in downtown Detroit,” said Gaffney.

But it is not just Detroit that is having these kinds of problems.

In Cleveland, over 50 percent of all children are living in poverty and abandoned houses are everywhere.

The city has already demolished about 1,000 homes, and there is a plan to demolish 20,000 more homes. The following comes from a recent CBS News report by Scott Pelley....

Perfectly good homes, worth 75, 100 thousand dollars or more a couple of years ago, are being ripped to splinters in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Here, the great recession left one fifth of all houses vacant. The owners walked away because they couldn't or wouldn't keep paying on a mortgage debt that can be twice the value of the home. Cleveland waited four years for home values to recover and now they've decided to face facts and bury the dead.

Down in St. Louis they have a different problem. In some of the worst areas of the city, roving packs of wild dogs are a serious threat to children that are walking to school. A recent report by the local CBS affiliate in St. Louis described the situation this way....

...Lewis Reed is sounding the alarm. "I’ve witnessed packs of dogs, 10 and 15 dogs running together, and I’ve seen all these dogs I’m talking about they don’t have collars, they don’t have tags, these are truly wild dogs," he said.

Reed says stray dogs are terrorizing the north side. "It’s obscene that parents have to walk their kids to school, in some parts of the city, with a golf club to fend off wild dogs."

How would you feel if you had to fend off wild packs of dogs as you walked your child to school?

These kinds of conditions can be found out on the west coast as well.

For example, there is an area of San Francisco that is known as "Hunter's Point" that is an absolute nightmare. In Hunter's Point, over half of the population lives in poverty and more than half of all children live in a home where there is no father present. The following is what one reporter discovered on a visit to Hunter's Point....

Abernathy and I cut through the complex, tromping over an expanse of dirt and concrete toward the northeast end of the development, where a row of apartments looked down from a grassy hill. We paused next to a vacant, boarded-over unit to take in the scene: A stream of ****, piss, tampons, and toilet paper spewed from a dark hole in the sidewalk, poured down the hill, and formed a sort of **** lagoon next to the street. Weeds, about six inches tall, were growing in the little lagoon.

Raw ****, obviously, is not cool. Beyond the fact that it smells and looks nasty, fecal matter provides a haven for dangerous bacteria, most notably E. coli, a virulent pathogen that can sicken and even kill humans, especially infants.

When conditions like this reign, it is a prime breeding ground for crime.

In major U.S. cities all over the United States, drug dealing, gang activity and prostitution are on the rise. The following comes from a recent article in the New York Times....

In November, a terrified 13-year-old girl pounded on an apartment door in Brooklyn. When a surprised woman answered, the girl pleaded for a phone. She called her mother, and then dialed 911.

The girl, whom I’ll call Baby Face because of her looks, frantically told police that a violent pimp was selling her for sex. He had taken her to the building and ordered her to go to an apartment where a customer was waiting, she said, and now he was waiting downstairs to make sure she did not escape. She had followed the pimp’s directions and gone upstairs, but then had pounded randomly on this door in hopes of getting help.

In some major U.S. cities, the gangs have virtually taken over. In an article entitled "City of Ruins", Chris Hedges described what life is like today in Camden, New Jersey....

There are perhaps a hundred open-air drug markets, most run by gangs like the Bloods, the Latin Kings, Los Nietos and MS-13. Knots of young men in black leather jackets and baggy sweatshirts sell weed and crack to clients, many of whom drive in from the suburbs. The drug trade is one of the city's few thriving businesses. A weapon, police say, is never more than a few feet away, usually stashed behind a trash can, in the grass or on a porch.

As I wrote about the other day, the FBI says that there are now 1.4 million gang members inside this country. That number has increased by 40 percent since 2009.

Organized criminal behavior by groups of young people is on the rise all over the nation. Just check out this video which shows a flash mob robbery happening in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Sadly, this is just the beginning.

This country is still enjoying a tremendous amount of prosperity. We still have a very high standard of living compared to most of the rest of the world.

So how nightmarish are things going to get when the economy gets really bad?

The most frightening thing is when these criminals start invading private homes.

The following home invasion story from Sacramento, California was sent to me by one of my readers a while back....

Somebody got into my sister's house last night while she was out. My mom was upstairs, but didn't hear anything. Whoever it was, they ate some chips and sorted through a stack of maternity clothes my sister had ready for selling on ebay. He left a dirty pair of boxer shorts and a bottom dentures on the dining room table. Fortunately, he was gone when she got home. I'm amazed, but the police actually came out and collected fingerprints and his boxers and false teeth. Probably a homeless guy. He may have switched his dirty boxers for a clean pair of maternity jeans, so the police just have to look for a guy wearing women's maternity pants with no lower teeth.

Because of stuff like this, an increasing number of Americans have decided that it is better to be armed.

The truth is that you never know when you will get jumped.

For example, in Pennsylvania the other day one 65-year-old man was suddenly knocked off his bicycle by three teen thugs.

The 65-year-old man responded by pulling out his gun and shooting two of them. One of the teens was killed.

Down along the border with Mexico, many ranchers have discovered that a gun battle could potentially erupt on any night. The federal government has refused to protect the border, and so millions of illegals just keep streaming on in. The following was recently posted on

Barbed wire fencing doesn’t keep illegal aliens off the property anymore. One Starr County, TX rancher doesn’t have time to worry about the illegals these days. He now worries about the smugglers protecting their loads.

“I don’t think they would have any conscience of taking someone’s life,” the rancher says.

He saw that will to kill firsthand. A smuggler shot at him on his own land.

“One round was fired at me, and it missed my head by about two feet,” says the rancher.

He says there’s only way to react.

“Fire all the rounds you have, reload, and do it again,” says the rancher.

The more stories like this you read, the easier it is to understand why more than 10 million guns were sold in the United States during 2011.

The truth is that you never know when you may need to defend yourself.

This past New Year's Eve, a single mother named Sarah McKinley was home alone with her three-month old son when she discovered that two armed men were trying to invade her home. If she had not had a gun, there is no telling what might have happened. The following is from a news story about that incident....

An Oklahoma woman was recently home with her 3 month old son when two men tried to break in. Armed with a shot gun and a pistol she called 9-1-1.

Operator: "Are your doors locked?"

Caller: "Yes, I've got two guns in my hand. Is it ok to shoot him if he comes in this door?"

Operator: "I can't tell you what you can do but you do what you have to do to protect your baby."

The mother did shoot killing one of the intruders. Oklahoma police called the shooting justified.

What would you have done in that situation?

America is rapidly changing, and we all need to adapt to the new reality all around us.

The truth is that America is not the same place it used to be. In some U.S. cities, authorities are actually dumping dead bodies into mass graves.

Just check out what the Daily Mail says has been going on in Chicago....

It's a practice more closely associated with third world countries, but in bleak times in a Chicago-area suburb, 30 people were buried in a mass grave on Wednesday.

The pauper's burial section at Homewood Memorial Gardens was established for those who could not afford to pay for a burial plot.

And it is a problem that's sweeping America as tough economic times have led to an increase in the number of indigent burials the morgue must perform.

All over the country, major U.S. cities are flat broke and are rapidly decaying. They are filled with impoverished people that are rapidly becoming angrier and more frustrated.

There simply are not enough jobs for everyone. Millions of ordinary Americans spend their days agonizing over the fact that they cannot provide even a basic living for themselves and their families.

And as the economy gets even worse, the economic despair in this country is going to grow to unprecedented levels.

So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

In the end, each of us is going to have to answer that question for ourselves.

Jobs are scarce, so if you have a good job right now it may not be wise to give it up. It can be incredibly challenging to move to a new area when you don't have a job.

One solution may be to move farther away from your current job so that you are in a more rural setting. But the rising cost of gasoline can make that a very expensive proposition.

Some families are purchasing second homes that they can "bug out" to in the event of a major disaster or emergency. But if your financial resources are limited that may not be an option for you.

In the final analysis, you have just got to do the best you can with what you have.

But if you are able to move, it is better to do it while times are relatively stable (like now) than when times are very unstable.

So what do all of you think?

Do you think that now is the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

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KEYWORDS: collapse; corruption; crime; cwii; doommonger; economy; getreadyhereitcomes; kookstuff; prepperping; selfreliance; survivalping
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To: cripplecreek
I've had my eye on this fire station for about 20 years. It's 54 degrees in there year round.

There are 574 people in the entire county.

Creede Fire Department

(Not me on the bike, btw)

21 posted on 01/26/2012 5:25:39 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

We moved 35 miles outside the city. Best move ever. We are still well within travel distance to the city for work and shopping but far enough that no one would ever go there much less walk there. We are tucked well out of the way and feel nice a cozy here.

22 posted on 01/26/2012 5:26:16 PM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: blam

After the November elections, many will probably say to hell with not only American cities, but America itself and pack up their families, their goods and the wealth.. and head elsewhere.

23 posted on 01/26/2012 5:27:33 PM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.)
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To: Jukeman
It’s not bad where we have to go there but we know it isn’t far from some really bad areas of Dallas. It is always a relief to get back to the tranquility of the country.

Ditto going to and from Las Vegas. We breathe a sigh of relief when we hit mile marker 48 heading East.

24 posted on 01/26/2012 5:27:42 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: blam
Grand Marais Michigan is pretty attractive. Cold and snowy during the winter but its pretty much isolated from everywhere else.

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25 posted on 01/26/2012 5:28:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: kearnyirish2
I thought they’d given up on that; once the decision was made not to “harass” illegals, you’d be waving through a good number of drivers in ANY city."

Not here in Alabama. We have the toughest immigration laws in the country now...Arizona is 2nd toughest.

Eric Holder is sueing the state because of our immigration laws.

26 posted on 01/26/2012 5:30:54 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Rather than staying in big cities and fighting toe-to-toe with the socialists, conservative have by-and-large retreated to the suburbs and rural areas.

Over time the important centers of political power become more-and-more liberal with less and less commensense conservatism as a break.

These centers of liberalism become malignant cancers that spread everywhere. The laws passed in these cities affect not only their citizens, but the citizens in the abutting suburbs, and even those in rural areas far from the "madding crowds".

Even in the most remotest places in some states you are no longer able to own certain weapons, or if you do they need to be registered to one extent or another.

Even in the most remotest areas there are ever evolving land use restrictions for ecological and other reasons.

If the people in the large cities decide not to enforce the laws or protect the borders, then gang members can flow freely even into the most remote areas, e.g. gang members growing marijuana in remote forest areas.

People in the large cities can vote to place the nastier things in remote rural areas where there is less resistance, e.g. unnecessary dams, pipe dream solar collectors, dumps, etc.

You can run, but you can't hide. And in running you have decided to no longer be a part of the political process.

And if you are truly a "prepper" and you post anything at all about it on the internet then I have some pre-IPO shares in a cold fusion technology I'd like to sell you.

If you think your handle hasn't already been associated with your current GPS location you're in serious denial.

27 posted on 01/26/2012 5:40:35 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: cripplecreek

“Metropolis of 150”...Your a funny guy Cripp!!! I’m high up in the snowy well forested mountains of the ‘Great American Redoubt’. Nearest town of about 400, (a HUGE majority of whom are conservative, trained gun owning, redneck preppers), ‘down the hill’ about 5 miles. I would advise anyone to get out of large city dodge NOW. Make it happen no matter what you have to do. When the SHTF and M. law is set into place, all roads leading out of the large cities, over mountain passes, interstates etc. will be blockaded within HOURS by the NG. 99.99% will be stuck. Not a nice thought if you ask me.

28 posted on 01/26/2012 5:41:43 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired and living up in the mountains....and it doesn't get any better than that!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

So darn what? Bring it on Feds, I’m not scared and neither are my prepper neighbors up here. GPS my handle all you want Feds. Live Free on your feet or die on your knees. I’d rather check out fighting for the Constitution of this Country not bowing down to some jackboot in a large city. Each to his own. I’m to old to be scared of anything the Gov. can do to me anyway. Not looking for ANY fight with the Feds, hell, my old butt would get itself kicked, but but I’ll be dammed if I’m gonna run scared the rest of the years I have left. Maybe I misunderstood your thoughts but I’m fine right where I am at. I worked hard for it.

29 posted on 01/26/2012 5:52:51 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired and living up in the mountains....and it doesn't get any better than that!)
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To: blam
I love cities. The people are better educated, everybody is very friendly, and there is lots of stuff to do. You can walk anywhere you want to go eat, shop or whatever. The night life is interesting. You can find better business connections, there are very high concentrations of millionaires. There are a lot of liberals too...

Everybody goes to private school, so it is quite expensive if you have kids. But if you want to have your kids go to private school, you need a large city to support competition between them.

Nearly everybody I know has a pretty prestigious education: Harvard, Pepperdine, the Sorbonne in France, Oberlin, Amherst, Georgetown, Duke, Tel Aviv University, and King’s College in London - to name a few. I rarely ran into anybody educated when I lived the small town I was born in!

I liked small towns before I was exposed to the city. Small towns are stifling. There is energy - the energy of commerce - vibrating off the windows of every tall building in the big city. The volitional power of the city is awesome!

I enjoy our civilization.

Now will riots change all this? I do not know, but I hope not! I might visit my parents on election day, after absentee voting.

30 posted on 01/26/2012 5:58:00 PM PST by Wild Berry
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To: cripplecreek
As I always tell my liberal sister in Livonia, “They aren’t coming out here, they’ll be coming to your upscale suburban neighborhood lookin for stuff.”

You got that right!

My husband just got home after training MI employees that work in the city of Detroit. He continues to be appalled at their lack of literacy, their unprofessional conduct, their whining, etc. Did I mention most of them have been employed for +8 years and management won't fire them?

They're too ignorant to steal food and supplies when SHTF. They'll invade Bloomfield Hills / Birmingham / Farmington / Grosse Pointe and go for the Caddies, the bling, the prescription drugs and booze.

31 posted on 01/26/2012 5:58:15 PM PST by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: blam

Paging John Titor...

32 posted on 01/26/2012 6:03:43 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Kieri
"My husband just got home after training MI employees that work in the city of Detroit. He continues to be appalled at their lack of literacy, their unprofessional conduct, their whining, etc."

Forty seven percent of the people living in Detroit and New Orleans cannot read or write.

33 posted on 01/26/2012 6:04:31 PM PST by blam
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To: bobby.223
If you're not afraid, then why not make a point of moving into the big city with all your friends and trying to vote the bastards out of office?

Then you won't have to worry about them eventually coming for you.

When the Supreme Court said busing was mandatory, there was "white flight" and the major cities were ceded, almost overnight, to the liberals.

Overtime the same nonsense was foisted on those who had fled to the suburbs. They escaped ... but not for long.

At some point in order to be a certified home schooler you will have to sign a document stating that you will teach your children about the wonders of gay sex.

And that time will come a lot sooner than the riots and general disintegration of society. So the government will have plenty of resources to send out to what CNN will describe as your "compound" to extricate your children or grandchildren from the "evils" of a Christian (what CNN wil call "cultist") education.

Thank you very much for deciding to segregate yourself from American society, and be only geographically American.

34 posted on 01/26/2012 6:06:01 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Tench_Coxe
John Titor's Story
35 posted on 01/26/2012 6:16:24 PM PST by blam
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Are you serious? Why can’t I vote the bastards out from my nearest polling place 5 miles away? Why do I have to be in a large city? Explain that one. I’m only a ‘geographical’ American huh? (Just because I relocated to the mountains from the big city upon retirement?) Have it your way sonny.

36 posted on 01/26/2012 6:17:07 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired and living up in the mountains....and it doesn't get any better than that!)
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To: Wild Berry

“Nearly everybody I know has a pretty prestigious education: Harvard, Pepperdine, the Sorbonne in France, Oberlin, Amherst, Georgetown, Duke, Tel Aviv University, and King’s College in London - to name a few. I rarely ran into anybody educated when I lived the small town I was born in!”

I think you mean”——the small town in which I was born”

Your new friends would be shocked at the grammar——just shocked.

37 posted on 01/26/2012 6:19:17 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Mears


38 posted on 01/26/2012 6:24:34 PM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Wild Berry

Well, my goodness. Aren’t you just country come to town.

Your opinion will likely change, should your emotional liberation include procreation as well as being accountable for having done so.

39 posted on 01/26/2012 6:31:02 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: blam

Here in NJ the powers to be decided to “stand down”; our former governor (a Dem) admitted that without illegal aliens, NJ had lost population (we just lost a congressional district because of it - illegals don’t count). The nanny-state tax burden here has forced many companies and taxpayers to flee; without illegals many of our urban areas would be ghost towns (the “American” permanent underclass stopped breeding like rabbits when BJ Clinton ended the “cash-for-kids” program). It still makes no sense to import so many people with their hands out; they cost much more than their underground economy ever puts in state coffers.

40 posted on 01/26/2012 6:32:33 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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