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Irish minister admits neutrality policy during WW2 was 'morally bankrupt'
Daily Mail ^ | 27th January 2012 | Lee Moran

Posted on 01/26/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by the scotsman

'Ireland has admitted for the first time that its 'morally bankrupt' regime of the 1930s denied visas to desperate Jews trying to escape from Nazi persecution.

Justice Minister Alan Shatter said that, following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Ireland's anti-semitic Berlin ambassador Charles Bewley ensured 'the doors to this state were kept firmly closed to German Jewish families trying to flee'.

The admission came as he apologised for the way brave soldiers who 'deserted' the Irish Army to fight with the Allies during the Second World War were treated.

He suggested the 4,983 servicemen, who were barred from jobs and State pensions on their return and condemned to poverty and stigma for the rest of their lives, were now likely to receive an official pardon.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fartyshadesofgreen; germany; hitler; ireland; worldwareleven
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1 posted on 01/26/2012 6:46:36 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
Wow. Sounds like Ireland really stunk up the joint back in the day. About like Sweden.
2 posted on 01/26/2012 6:48:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: the scotsman

The main reason they did it was because Germany was the enemy of England, and they hated England.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 6:51:29 PM PST by proxy_user
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Today it is 2012. So many trying to live in the past. You have no idea what decision you would have made then. Lets sue the caveman for understanding and using fire and sue them for global warming. These people are simply stupid.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 6:51:56 PM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: edcoil

I am an ex-Para.

I would have fought, just like many members of my family in both wars. I know what I would have done.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 6:59:34 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Ireland and Sweden can at least take comfort in knowing that they didn’t save the Soviet Union so that it could spread the horrors that it did for the decades since the end of WWII; Americans killed in Korea and Vietnam paid the price of America’s folly in saving “Uncle Joe” so that he could enslave so many...

Talk to eastern Europeans about the role of the western allies in WWII; they bore the brunt of both Nazism and Stalinism (with Stalinism lingering for 45 years instead of 4).


6 posted on 01/26/2012 7:00:38 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: hinckley buzzard

and by denying ports for allied escort vessels convoys in the early yeard had lighter escort units resulting in more sinkings and deaths of merchant seaman by u-boats. sweden doesn’t get a free pass but ireland didn;t have the nazi army across the irsih sea ready to invade if they didn’t get what they wanted.


7 posted on 01/26/2012 7:04:27 PM PST by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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“The main reason they did it was because Germany was the enemy of England, and they hated England.”

The main reason Catholics in general in Europe saw no point in the war was that in Spain from 1936 to 1939, over 7,000 priests (including thirteen bishops) were killed by forces supported by Stalin and the Popular Front government of France. The war ended (and the Catholic Church survived) in Spain because Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini sent aid to General Franco. While the non-Catholic US and UK were comfortable aiding Stalin, I can understand why a Catholic with an informed conscience would just sit it out (as the Axis weren’t saints either).

Americans should bear in mind that while American Marines were dying in the Pacific, while Japan held US islands and part of Alaska, while Americans at home faced rationing so we could export food to the Soviet Union, Stalin and the Japanese had a truce that lasted until the final weeks of the war.

These are facts that dispel many myths about the war and anger some people, but they are facts nonetheless.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 7:08:02 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: hinckley buzzard
Not that Hairbrain S(hithead). Truman's betrayal of the Philippine troops was laudable either.
10 posted on 01/26/2012 7:10:14 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bravo whiskey

Ireland had a foreign army already on it’s soil in the north (regardless of your position on Ireland, that is exactly what it was); no reason to join that side.

Ireland was serious about it’s neutrality (unlike the US, which violated neutrality openly in both theaters prior to officially entering the war). Like most of the world, Ireland had no stake in a war between Lucifer and Satan.


11 posted on 01/26/2012 7:12:16 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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The US and Canada did exactly the same. Look up the “St. Louis”.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 7:32:22 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: proxy_user

Also why Joe Kennedy loved Adolf Hitler.


13 posted on 01/26/2012 7:36:22 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: kearnyirish2

Several German Lutherans, including the now famous Niemoller, supported Hitler at first precisely because they thought he would stand up to the Godless Communists. Of course, he turned out to be a Godless socialist in his own right, and the confessing Lutherans courageous enough to listen to Bonhoeffer soon saw the error of their ways during the Kirchenkampf.

Still, doesn’t explain Ireland not giving Jews asylum. Admittedly, FDR refused asylum to them as well, but that was simply because FDR was an evil tyrannical power-mad SOB. Not sure what the Irish excuse was.


14 posted on 01/26/2012 7:45:27 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: edcoil

>> These people are simply stupid.

Your post is confusing. Which people are stupid? The Irish? The author? The cavemen?


15 posted on 01/26/2012 7:53:35 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: kearnyirish2

>> Like most of the world, Ireland had no stake in a war between Lucifer and Satan.

In your metaphor, who exactly is Lucifer, and who is Satan?


16 posted on 01/26/2012 7:55:38 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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He sounds like a Paul supporter. America is always Satan, don’t you know? Ron Paul told me so.


17 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:17 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: kearnyirish2

Lucifer and Satan? Really? Ireland is such an arbiter of what is good and right.......


18 posted on 01/26/2012 8:40:55 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Tzar

‘Historically, Ireland has been the least anti-Semitic country in Europe.’

Crap. There’s no history of anti-semitism in Scotland or Wales. Or several of the Scandanavian countries.

And there IS a history of anti-semitism in Ireland. The History Channel did an excellent documentary recently on the bar on Jewish refugees, antisemitism within the Irish Govt in the late 30’s right through to the 70’s, and there is a history of anti-semitism in the Irish Catholic Church.

And the Ulster (protestant) Irish are historically much less opposed to Judaism religiously, and therefore culturally than the Catholic Irish.

If anyone is ‘least antisemitic’, its the Scots and the Welsh. Not the Irish.


19 posted on 01/26/2012 9:35:08 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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“’Ireland has the honour of being the only country which never persecuted the Jews...because she never let them in’, Mr Deasy said solemnly.”
20 posted on 01/26/2012 9:41:07 PM PST by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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