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They Hate Poor People
The Weekly Standard ^ | 1/26/12 | PJ O'Rourke

Posted on 01/26/2012 7:49:45 PM PST by Impala64ssa

On January 1, 2012, Maine became the first state to ban smoking in all low-income public housing. Twelve thousand poor people faced their New Year’s Day hangover without the solace of a Marlboro to accompany their aspirin and coffee. This, of course, was good. Just ask the high-minded, right-thinking progressive elites who, it’s safe to say, run Maine’s public housing authority. Progressive elites like to run things. They’d run the government, the media, and the entire U.S. economy if they could. Failing that, public housing authorities will do. The Detroit, San Antonio, and Portland, Oregon, housing authorities already ban smoking. Boston’s housing authority will do so in September. Los Angeles is expected to follow. And it’s no mystery what that highest-minded, most right-thinking, way-progressive elitist Mayor Bloomberg has in mind for New Yorkers.

Smoking is wrong. Progressive elites may be confused about the existence of right and wrong when it comes to wars against genocidal fanatics, market freedom, and the death penalty for mass murderers. But not when it comes to smoking.

(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: libhypocrisy; pufflist; smoking; tehpoor
We all know it's a crappy habit but this is more than just about smoking. This proves once again that liberals/socialists/elitists, etc love humanity but hate people. BTW, The article mentions Michael "Two Dinners" Moore, here's the demographics, according to Wikipedia of Torch Lk, MI where his palacial estate is located; 96.98% White, 0.78% African American, 0.17% Native American, 0.09% Asian, 0.95% from other races, and 1.04% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 2.50% of the population. Now that's what I call diversity./s
1 posted on 01/26/2012 7:49:47 PM PST by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

Part of it may have been that these tenements are pretty cheaply made to begin with, and cigarette smoke gets out of the smoker’s apartment into everybody’s apartment whether or not they want it. And you know, with “second hand smoke” and all being such a hot topic. (It may not be all that dangerous but it’s a known nuisance and sometimes allergen. No need to burden the welfare doctors more with people who are allergic to their neighbor’s smoke.)

And part may be pure nanny, but the existence of the housing is nanny to begin with. Nobody living off of the nanny has any reason to complain when the nanny gets a little more nanniful.


2 posted on 01/26/2012 7:56:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Impala64ssa

They can still smoke pot though.


3 posted on 01/26/2012 7:58:12 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Impala64ssa

I hate lazy, self righteous, drug addicted, hippies that work the system and make life more difficult for honest hard working tax payers.


4 posted on 01/26/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Impala64ssa

can anyone really imagine that people will stop smoking in these buildings........cigarette police on each floor??.....please.


5 posted on 01/26/2012 8:21:55 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The biggest danger may be from fires caused accidentally by cigarettes. The elites should be encouraging smoking to reduce life expectancy, in the interests of keeping Social Security going longer.


6 posted on 01/26/2012 8:22:24 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Nobody living off of the nanny has any reason to complain when the nanny gets a little more nanniful.

I've got to voice my adamant disagreement with that statement, HiTech. Welfare may not be in line with U.S. ideals, and you may despise it all you want. However, NOBODY loses their natural and/or Constitutional Rights just because they are on public assistance. The right to freedom of privacy in one's own home, and freedom to pursue happiness, even at the risk of cancer and emphysema, are not to be trifled with. These rulings of the various Housing Authorities mess with our Rights. Furthermore, they are another example of bureaucrats making regulations that have the force and effect of law, bypassing the legislature and public debate.

A weak case could be made for banning smoking if it could be proved that the second-hand smoke really is an irritant that other tenants must endure. There should at least be enclosed spaces in the housing complex for people to smoke if they want to. Otherwise, there will be bans on drinking in one's own home. Some companies already ban their employees from smoking, not just at work, but anywhere at all. This trend is dangerous and must stop. Are we free men and women or pawns of the State? That was the crux of our War of Independence, and it continues to be an issue today.

7 posted on 01/26/2012 8:23:36 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Crony Capitalism & Union boot-licking Marxist politicians are our undoing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

You just gotta love P.J...........think he was the one who said “If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free.”.


8 posted on 01/26/2012 8:28:37 PM PST by jmax
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To: Impala64ssa

Yah the government bureaucrats are gonna march right into the projects and order Jamaal to put out that cigarette.

RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.


9 posted on 01/26/2012 9:01:45 PM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Impala64ssa

Wait.. How broke are they if they can afford a 10 dollar a day smoking habit?

Where did they get the money for the smokes?

I am all for allowing people to smoke.

Just not in MY house.


10 posted on 01/26/2012 9:12:33 PM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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And not with MY money.

How bout you?


11 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:17 PM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

In principle, the families don’t absolutely have to be there unless so ordered by a court or something like that. I say if you take from the nanny, then you got to take orders from the nanny that others might not have to put up with. With some kind of absolute limit, like they can’t make a sex slave out of you.


12 posted on 01/26/2012 9:48:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: All; ARepublicanForAllReasons
Smoke gets in the walls, in the carpet. It costs the taxpayers money to replace all that between smoking tenants. These people on the public dole shouldn't be buying for cigarette's either. Taxpayers subsidizing that instead of the essentials? NO.

There's nothing conservative about watching taxpayer dollars go up in smoke, literally.

13 posted on 01/26/2012 9:50:11 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; newzjunkey
Merely getting gov't subsidized housing doesn't equate with total welfare sponge. Many of these people are living on Social Security or even have JOBS! Yes, really. But their incomes are still very low, so they pay a set percentage of their income for modestly priced units and the state (yes, taxpayers) pays the rest.

Just let me reiterate my main thesis. There is no justification in de-humanizing someone who is in need. Yes, there are alternatives, like sleeping in your car or on the sidewalk. A lot of people talk big about self-reliance until and unless they have been there or know good people who got bad breaks in life. And btw, shouldn't we similarly penalize all Food Stamp recipients? (about 1/3 of all families now). How about medicare and medicaid? Shouldn't the gov't be telling them how to live in every aspect, and have cigarette, alcohol, drug/porn/sex, and fatty-food police visit them every week? THINK about the implications before you let your disdain for low income people overturn your sense of justice.

14 posted on 01/26/2012 11:14:50 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Crony Capitalism & Union boot-licking Marxist politicians are our undoing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

But if we don’t smoke, how will all these progressive geniuses get all the tax money they put on tobacco to fund children’s health programs?

Liberals confuse me! lol


15 posted on 01/26/2012 11:25:42 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons

Of course. Question is, is the housing at least partly a chattel of the government? If it is, then the government can reasonably make rules about what can be done in the housing, along the lines of what a private apartment can enforce. It would be in the lease. They couldn’t do something like bar Democrats or Republicans, of course. But maybe they could bar the cooking of very stinky food or the burning of very stinky incense.


16 posted on 01/27/2012 4:04:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
The right to freedom of privacy in one's own home...

Maine became the first state to ban smoking in all low-income public housing.

It's not really their own home, now is it?

If the people supposedly in need are OK with the government taking money from my family to support them, I'm OK with the government telling these same people that they can't smoke in the housing that MY tax money is funding.

17 posted on 01/27/2012 5:18:27 AM PST by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Fledermaus

Not to mention, what’s Algore gonna grow on the family farm if everyone quits smoking?


18 posted on 01/27/2012 9:27:10 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
Yes, people in need have the same rights as anyone else. But gov't backed total smoking bans are being tried in privately owned and more well-to-do apartment complexes. Here's a case in Calif .
19 posted on 01/27/2012 9:47:27 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

This is the one and only time I support a smoking ban. If the people in public housing don’t like it then get the f*ck out!!


20 posted on 01/27/2012 11:50:24 AM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: whd23; Impala64ssa
It's not really their own home, now is it?

No, not in the sense of property ownership. However, a tenant, at least in most states, has the right to private enjoyment of the area he rents or leases, no matter who pays the rent. This is gov't "charity" with a hook, and the hooks will multiply faster than laboratory mice, as you probably well know.

I will, and have conceded that IF significant damage or irritation to other tenants can be reasonably proved, then they probably ought to ban smoking. I myself smoke, and I fully respect the rights of restaurants and other businesses to ban smoking. However, I don't think it's a good idea to allow the Housing Authorities to arbitrarily make regulations without some public input, or to treat poor people differently than the affluent. Remember, if they can do it to people in public housing, they will eventually get around to doing it to YOU and ME.

Think of the incandescent light bulbs you can no longer legally buy. I hope I am wrong, but I understand that it is a nationwide ban. And I absolutely hate it. What business is it of the government?

I am reminded of that quote from C.S. Lewis about how those who torment you for 'your own good' will never rest, because they have the approval of their consciences. The gov't cannot even control drug sales, prostitution and violence in many projects, but they want to ban smoking!? I say to the do-gooder bureaucrats -- GOOD LUCK!

21 posted on 01/27/2012 1:58:46 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Crony Capitalism & Union boot-licking Marxist politicians are our undoing.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Post 21 is addressed to you also.


22 posted on 01/27/2012 2:00:31 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Crony Capitalism & Union boot-licking Marxist politicians are our undoing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Especially since he has a history of “planting it, shucking it...” etc.


23 posted on 01/30/2012 2:55:02 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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