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Illinois tries again to ban so-called 'assault weapons,' .50 caliber rifles
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 26 January, 2012 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 01/27/2012 10:56:07 AM PST by marktwain

Across the river in Illinois, it's that time of year again--time for the push for extremist 'gun control' laws. Right on schedule, three were introduced yesterday.

First, we have HB 1294. This bill would ban so-called "assault weapons," .50 caliber rifles and ammunition, and magazines capable of holding 11 or more rounds of ammunition. The ban extends to possessing, buying/selling, and manufacturing--so long to the tax revenue and good jobs provided by companies like Rock River Arms, Armalite, D.S Arms, and probably others. What's more, the law would be confiscatory:

Provides that these provisions do not apply to a person who possessed a prohibited weapon, device, or attachment before the effective date of this amendatory Act if the person has provided proof of ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act.

Who keeps sales receipts for every rifle, magazine, and round of .50 caliber ammo? Representative Edward Acevedo (more on him in a minute) has introduced identical legislation for years now (at least as far back as 2005)--he is passionately anti-rights.

Next up is HB 1599. This one builds on HB 1294, by making an Unlawful Use of Weapons charge more serious (making a crime "more illegaller," as we gun rights advocates like to say), if the offender is in possession of an "assault weapon" or "high capacity ammunition(?)" at the time of the offense. What, pray tell, is "high capacity ammunition"? Good question. The answer, on the other hand, is not so good:

"High capacity ammunition" means ammunition of 50 or more caliber.

Not only is that bizarre use of the term "high capacity," blogger Thirdpower notes that the definition makes no distinction between rifle and pistol ammunition on the one hand, and shotgun shells

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; gunban; il
The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 01/27/2012 10:56:20 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

.50 cal..... that is for pikers... I just saw a video with a guy that made and was firing a .94 cal. rifle..... now there is a nice little squirrel gun!!!


2 posted on 01/27/2012 11:01:32 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: marktwain
"High capacity ammunition" means ammunition of 50 or more caliber.

Lack of Constitutionality aside, the Bill appears to have been written by an imbecile.

3 posted on 01/27/2012 11:02:14 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: marktwain

...uhmmm...Rock River Arms 50% off “moving sale”?

I’m in.


4 posted on 01/27/2012 11:04:13 AM PST by moovova (I call the new CFL light bulbs..."Obama Bulbs"...because they're not too bright.)
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To: marktwain

California banned .50 caliber rifles a few years back - thank you, Arnold Kennedy...err, Scwerzenemall.

Why? Because someone might shoot down an airliner with a single shot from a .50 caliber rifle.


5 posted on 01/27/2012 11:07:11 AM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: joe fonebone; marktwain
"High capacity ammunition" means ammunition of 50 or more caliber.

That doesn't just exclude the big .50 BMG round. It also bars the Desert Eagle .50 Action Express handgun round, and the Smith & Wesson .500 S&W Magnum revolver cartridge.

6 posted on 01/27/2012 11:12:52 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

You forgot .50 caliber black powder muzzle-loaders.


7 posted on 01/27/2012 11:16:07 AM PST by Nachoman (I HOPE we CHANGE presidents.)
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To: MeganC
California banned .50 caliber rifles a few years back - thank you, Arnold Kennedy...err, Scwerzenemall.

Why? Because someone might shoot down an airliner with a single shot from a .50 caliber rifle.

The best part of that whole fiasco was that Ronnie Barrett made a public statement that Barrett Firearms would no longer sell to, support, nor service any Barrett rifle owned by any municipality or state law enforcement agency in CA as a result.

Mark

8 posted on 01/27/2012 11:17:35 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MeganC
Why? Because someone might shoot down an airliner with a single shot from a .50 caliber rifle.

While aiming a laser pointer at the cockpit is so much cheaper, easier, and quieter.....

9 posted on 01/27/2012 11:18:20 AM PST by Niteranger68 (When voting, if you are not willing to work in the kitchen, order from the menu.)
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To: Nachoman

Also shotguns can be considered as over .50 cal.


10 posted on 01/27/2012 11:22:00 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

And 12 ga. slugs, .729 cal


11 posted on 01/27/2012 11:27:28 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: MarkL

I hope he, and his company, has ‘stuck to their guns’ on this...


12 posted on 01/27/2012 11:35:09 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Niteranger68

I was watching History Channel and they were covering the Pacific War and there were numerous scenes of Japanese kamikaze planes attacking the American fleets.

Thousands of guns were firing thousands of rounds of ammunition at these relatively slow moving planes and, tragically, to little effect.

But I’m supposed to believe that a modern airliner with multiple redundant safety systems on board can be shot down by a single .50 caliber round.

Yeah, right.


13 posted on 01/27/2012 11:35:52 AM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: marktwain

Just like Romney!


14 posted on 01/27/2012 11:36:54 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: marktwain
Rock River Arms, Armalite, D.S Arms, and probably others

LMT, for one.

Les Baer has already made the move to Iowa (which, bad as it can be in many ways, is still not Cook County or Baja Cook County).

Mr. niteowl77

15 posted on 01/27/2012 11:39:23 AM PST by niteowl77 (Mitt Romney: the horse the GOP elite intends to ride into the abyss. Or is it the other way around?)
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To: marktwain
I guess the Mudsills and the 7th Ill Cavalry reenactor groups are going to have to leave their carbines and Springfields in other states for reenactments. The majority of CW weapons were .50 caliber or greater. ickinidiots must live in Illinois. Obama, Durbin, Daleys and the rest and now this.
16 posted on 01/27/2012 11:51:23 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: marktwain

If I owned a gun manufacturer, I would immediately introduce my .49.5 Magnum!


17 posted on 01/27/2012 12:57:03 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

BTW, it would be a .50 BMG necked down to 49.5 with a 500+ grn bullet.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 1:01:59 PM PST by chuckles
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To: muir_redwoods

Yea. Deer slugs can do a lot of damage.


19 posted on 01/27/2012 1:02:04 PM PST by olepap (God help us)
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To: MeganC

Somebody who is good at math could figure out the lead, lets see, 600 mph/60/60 = miles per second...


20 posted on 01/27/2012 1:04:58 PM PST by olepap (God help us)
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To: olepap

Yeah, you’d have to lead 880 ft for every second it would take for the bullet to travel to the target. Not accounting for windspeed, of course.


21 posted on 01/27/2012 2:20:18 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: MarkL

Bravo to Mr. Ronnie Barrett. Sad to say I didn’t have the money then nor now for one of the .50 BMG semi auto configurations. Hell even a bolt gun would be just fine.


22 posted on 01/27/2012 2:32:29 PM PST by mcshot (Voter fraud will be the doom of the Republic as desired by the Lib Dems.)
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23 posted on 01/27/2012 3:01:47 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: chuckles

Is the diameter of a bore considered to be the diameter of the largest sphere which can pass through the bore, the width of the largest rectangle that can pass through the bore, twice the maximum distance from a center-line chosen to minimize that distance, or what? For some bore contours with an odd number of lands/grooves, the three measurements could be quite different.


24 posted on 01/27/2012 3:54:39 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: PapaBear3625

What about shotgun slugs? Aren’t they .62?

Effing idiots.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 6:17:44 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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