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California passes new auto emission rules
Associated Press ^ | 1/27/12 | JASON DEAREN

Posted on 01/27/2012 11:46:49 AM PST by SmithL

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- California air regulators passed Friday sweeping auto emission standards that include a mandate to have 1.4 million electric and hybrid vehicles on state roads by 2025.

The California Air Resources Board unanimously approved the new rules, which require that one-in-seven of new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle.

The plan also mandated a 75-percent reduction in smog-forming pollutants by 2025, and a 34 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions over roughly the same time.

Automakers worked with the board and federal regulators on the greenhouse gas mandates in an effort to create one national standard for those pollutants.

California's auto emissions standards are often more strict than federal ones. Currently 14 other states have adopted the California rules as their own.

Companies including Ford Motor Corp., Chrysler Group LLC, General Motors Co., Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. and others submitted testimony Thursday in support of the new standards during a meeting of the board.

Industry groups representing auto dealers worried that the new regulations would increase the costs of vehicles for consumers and stifle the industry's growth.

The California New Car Dealers Association and other industry groups representing those who sell cars said the board is overestimating consumer demand for electric vehicles and other so-called "zero-emission vehicles."

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: carb; electricvehicles; emissions; evs; globalwarminghoax; goldenstate; unelectedtyrants; yourtaxdollarsatwork

1 posted on 01/27/2012 11:46:55 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Well, that oughta finish their economy.


2 posted on 01/27/2012 11:51:00 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

My favourite movie moment of the past few years was the scene in the “2012” disaster movie, where you see the entire coast of California sliding into the Pacific along the San Andreas Fault. If that could happen without effecting the rest of the US, what was left of California and the entire country would be far better off.


3 posted on 01/27/2012 11:55:38 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: SmithL

So...exactly how does CARB propose to compel one out of every seven new car purchasers in California to select a zero-emission vehicle?


4 posted on 01/27/2012 12:00:24 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: littleharbour

what did the CA land mass do to anyone to deserve that?


5 posted on 01/27/2012 12:00:42 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: NVDave

Wave the magic wand and it will just happen.


6 posted on 01/27/2012 12:02:01 PM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: SmithL

So what happens if their mandate doesn’t work? What happens if people refuse to buy these poor excuses for autos?
Really, are they going to mandate that you can only have one gas car per family or go to jail?
Good grief CA is full of morons in government.


7 posted on 01/27/2012 12:03:48 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: littleharbour
I like the part that says” will require that 1 in 7 cars sold in California is electric.”
What happened to freedom of choice?
8 posted on 01/27/2012 12:05:50 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: svcw

Will be like China, only one child per family. Government knows best.


9 posted on 01/27/2012 12:07:29 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: SmithL

Does Jerry Brown or Mary Nichols own stock in an electric car company?


10 posted on 01/27/2012 12:07:43 PM PST by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: SmithL

“Automakers worked with the board and federal regulators on the greenhouse gas mandates in an effort to create one national standard for those pollutants. “


11 posted on 01/27/2012 12:12:56 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Time to move forward not to the center.)
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To: Kozy

“Will be like China, only one child per family.”

We’re better than that - 2 bicycles per family.

: )


12 posted on 01/27/2012 12:21:19 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: SmithL

State sanctioned economic implodicide

How to kill industries and economies
and chase businesses and investors away
by CARB .. Hi5s to aRnold&Gray

How an unelected group of ecoNuts&’Scientists’ determine a state’s future. See California.

What a country.


13 posted on 01/27/2012 12:22:32 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The standards would allow carmakers who can’t produce the required number of zero-emission vehicles to buy credits from companies that do. For instance, an electric vehicle that gets 100 miles on a charge would be worth 1.5 credits, according to the proposed law. Automobile manufacturers who fall short can be fined $5,000 per credit by the Air Resources Board. It is not clear what measures would be taken if companies can’t sell the vehicles they produce.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/26/BAQA1MUV0S.DTL#ixzz1kgvwCt9c

These people are clinically insane...


14 posted on 01/27/2012 12:28:03 PM PST by rainee
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To: kearnyirish2

So how does the California government decide which saps get stuck with the Chevy Volt? Are you going to have a lottery and tell the losers that you are stuck with an electric car? Are you essentially going to force the car companies to give a away one free electric car for every gas engine car that is sold, because that’s the only way you’ll move that many vehicles. Even then, how do you get a supply of electric cars when they’re only being built by one company? Force GM to sell only electric cars? Force Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Mercedes, etc., to all build and market an electric car just to supply 1/7th of the California market? This is stalinist insanity of the type that invented the Llada.


15 posted on 01/27/2012 12:31:39 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: SmithL

No wonder the average age of an auto driven today is 10 years.


16 posted on 01/27/2012 12:33:05 PM PST by marsh2
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To: rainee

Just as trading carbon credits are a scam.. trading emissions reductions is a pretty slick racket as well.. a risky scheme Al Gore and moderate Republicans readily embrace.

These are not people like most of us, they are well indoctrinated workers for a cause. It is about conformity at any cost.. and control.. which means power. To tell people how to live, where to live, when to live.. Cap that and trade it at the local bar. ;-)


17 posted on 01/27/2012 12:34:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: SmithL

You’d get better results with just a huge gas-tax hike, which would be simply to boot.

NO, I am not advocating either a tax hike or this quota-based nonsense, but Jiminy Christmas, you don’t need a huge bureaucracy to write and enforce GAS TAXES the way you do to count up cars and determine which are electric enough, etc.

Insane.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 12:44:15 PM PST by pogo101
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To: littleharbour

All of the gubmint agencies will buy them; COPS will have low-speed pursuits of Volts chasing Segways...


19 posted on 01/27/2012 12:49:04 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: NVDave
California air regulators passed Friday sweeping auto emission standards that include a mandate to have 1.4 million electric and hybrid vehicles on state roads by 2025.

F the communists.

20 posted on 01/27/2012 12:53:59 PM PST by Logical me
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To: SmithL

Fine, lets mandate that all, and I do mean all, State employees have to drive an electric vehicle as part of their terms of employment.


21 posted on 01/27/2012 1:03:46 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge (I'd rather be a birther than a leg tingler!)
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To: SmithL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U&feature=related

Rush - Rad Barchetta

My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about.
He says it used to be a farm,
Before the Motor Law.
And on Sundays I elude the Eyes,
And hop the Turbine Freight
To far outside the Wire,
Where my white-haired uncle waits.

Jump to the ground
As the Turbo slows to cross the Borderline.
Run like the wind,
As excitement shivers up and down my spine.
Down in his barn,
My uncle preserved for me an old machine,
For fifty-odd years.
To keep it as new has been his dearest dream.

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car.
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better, vanished time.
I fire up the willing engine,
Responding with a roar.
Tires spitting gravel,
I commit my weekly crime...
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/red+barchetta_20119966.html ]
Wind-
In my hair-
Shifting and drifting-
Mechanical music-
Adrenalin surge...

Well-weathered leather,
Hot metal and oil,
The scented country air.
Sunlight on chrome,
The blur of the landscape,
Every nerve aware.

Suddenly ahead of me,
Across the mountainside,
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me, two lanes wide.
I spin around with shrieking tires,
To run the deadly race,
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase.

Drive like the wind,
Straining the limits of machine and man.
Laughing out loud
With fear and hope, I’ve got a desperate plan.
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded at the riverside.
Race back to the farm, to dream with my uncle at the firesideom/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U&feature=related


22 posted on 01/27/2012 1:10:35 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Milton Miteybad
So...exactly how does CARB propose to compel one out of every seven new car purchasers in California to select a zero-emission vehicle?

They can't. What this portends is car lots where one out of seven vehicles on the lot is never sold. A perpetual drain on the flooring loan, inventory insurance and maintenance to keep washing the accumulated dirt and cobwebs off.

23 posted on 01/27/2012 1:21:00 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: SmithL
...new rules, which require that one-in-seven of new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle coal-powered.
24 posted on 01/27/2012 2:04:41 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SmithL

To get this mandate to work CARB will predictably tighten emissions rules for cars that are already on the road with the intention of effectively forcing people into electric cars just to avoid the hassle and expense of getting their cars to pass biannual (or maybe now annual) emissions testing.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 2:18:33 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: SmithL

I would love to see just one car company say f**k you to CA and stop selling cars in the state.

I’m sure they can somehow count all the unemployed workers at closed dealers as jobs create or saved.


26 posted on 01/27/2012 2:20:34 PM PST by matt04
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To: SmithL
i take it all state owned vehicles will lead the way... yes???
27 posted on 01/27/2012 3:14:46 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kozy

Every 6th car buyer will get an electric car, free!


28 posted on 01/27/2012 4:08:43 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SmithL

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29 posted on 01/27/2012 4:28:23 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: matt04

>I would love to see just one car company say f**k you to CA and stop selling cars in the state.<

Agreed.


30 posted on 01/27/2012 4:32:39 PM PST by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: littleharbour

If you’re referring to the Lada or VAZ, that was a Fiat 124 knock off. Supposedly it had thicker steel and other mods for the poor roads. Some even came with a hand crank in case the batteries couldn’t start the engine in cold temperatures.


31 posted on 01/27/2012 4:55:52 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: rainee
It is not clear what measures would be taken if companies can’t sell the vehicles they produce.

Might be a lot of new dealerships just across the border, though...

32 posted on 01/27/2012 10:07:22 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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