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To: Jeff Head

Your leader giving a seminar on how to lie.
Jeff, you do yourself a disservice to deny the information you have been provided as bogus or distorted when it comes from lds sites.

181 posted on 01/28/2012 2:10:55 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen You up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

svcw, he did not teach anyone how to lie. He was teaching a group of missionaries how to bring the discussion back to a central point from which they can teach.

I do not happen to agree with how he proposed to do that for the very reasons you are trying to illicit...that is, without any intent to do so, people like yourself, looking for a reason, will say they are deceiving people (which is not their intent at all). I personally would not deflect the question but would answer it with scripture from the Bible which would serve to support our interpretation, and then I would proceed to go where he went and ask them if they want to know why we have come to believe that.

IMHO, something like that is not a very good video for you to use to try and say that Mormons teach their members to lie. You have taken a speech given to LDS Missionaries who are specifically sent out to teach about the Restoratioon of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified through Joseph Smith and an individual trying to help them not get bushwacked and sidetracked away from that goal by all sorts of questions that are usually meant to attack.

As I said, I would address it and approach it differently and myself have taught missionaries and prospective missionaries the to do so.

Anyhow...we could go on with this all night...and I do not intend to do so. The Church is large with millions of members. They are not perfect by any stretch. They make mistakes...we all do.

I do not agree with the method this individual used, for the reason I just explained. I have taught differently, both at the Mission Training Center in Provo years ago, and where I have lived since.

But I have also found that people can just about find whatever they want to find when you are talking about a population of millions.

I see the good fruit from the church and there is a whole lot of it. You concentrate on the bad fruit and there is some of that too because people are human.

In the end, the Savior, and God in Heaven will judge us all by our hearts and true acceptance of Him in our hearts and souls. The church brings people to Christ...the interpretations are different than yours, but the central, critical point is that Christ Jesus saves, and His atonement alone.

Bringing people to Christ is a good thing and I appluad anyone who does so, to whatever degree they can, and to whateve measure of His truth they have...all of that is good and is a boon to our nation.

God bless you for your own efforts in that regard. I will continue doing the same from the perspective I have through the Holy Ghost and try and help people by so doing, not the least of which have been my own family, kids and grandkids.

186 posted on 01/28/2012 6:32:32 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (
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