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Sarah Palin: Cannibals in GOP Establishment Employ Tactics of the Left
Sarah Palin's Facebook Page ^ | January 27, 2012 | Sarah Palin

Posted on 01/27/2012 3:18:48 PM PST by Timber Rattler

We have witnessed something very disturbing this week. The Republican establishment which fought Ronald Reagan in the 1970s and which continues to fight the grassroots Tea Party movement today has adopted the tactics of the left in using the media and the politics of personal destruction to attack an opponent.

We will look back on this week and realize that something changed. I have given numerous interviews wherein I espoused the benefits of thorough vetting during aggressive contested primary elections, but this week’s tactics aren’t what I meant. Those who claim allegiance to Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment should stop and think about where we are today. Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, the fathers of the modern conservative movement, would be ashamed of us in this primary. Let me make clear that I have no problem with the routine rough and tumble of a heated campaign. As I said at the first Tea Party convention two years ago, I am in favor of contested primaries and healthy, pointed debate. They help focus candidates and the electorate. I have fought in tough and heated contested primaries myself. But what we have seen in Florida this week is beyond the pale. It was unprecedented in GOP primaries. I’ve seen it before – heck, I lived it before – but not in a GOP primary race.

I am sadly too familiar with these tactics because they were used against the GOP ticket in 2008. The left seeks to single someone out and destroy his or her record and reputation and family using the media as a channel to dump handpicked and half-baked campaign opposition research on the public. The difference in 2008 was that I was largely unknown to the American public, so they had no way of differentiating between the lies and the truth. All of it came at them at once as “facts” about me. But Newt Gingrich is known to us – both the good and the bad.

We know that Newt fought in the trenches during the Reagan Revolution. As Rush Limbaugh pointed out, Newt was among a handful of Republican Congressman who would regularly take to the House floor to defend Reagan at a time when conservatives didn’t have Fox News or talk radio or conservative blogs to give any balance to the liberal mainstream media. Newt actually came at Reagan’s administration “from the right” to remind Americans that freer markets and tougher national defense would win our future. But this week a few handpicked and selectively edited comments which Newt made during his 40-year career were used to claim that Newt was somehow anti-Reagan, and isn’t conservative enough to go against the accepted moderate in the primary race. (I know, it makes no sense, and the GOP establishment hopes you won’t stop and think about this nonsense. Mark Levin and others have shown the ridiculousness of this.) To add insult to injury, this “anti-Reagan” claim was made by a candidate who admitted to not even supporting or voting for Reagan. He actually was against the Reagan movement, donated to liberal candidates, and said he didn’t want to go back to the Reagan days. You can’t change history. We know that Newt Gingrich brought the Reagan Revolution into the 1990s. We know it because none other than Nancy Reagan herself announced this when she presented Newt with an award, telling us, “The dramatic movement of 1995 is an outgrowth of a much earlier crusade that goes back half a century. Barry Goldwater handed the torch to Ronnie, and in turn Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican members of Congress to keep that dream alive.” As Rush and others pointed out, if Nancy Reagan had ever thought that Newt was in any way an opponent of her beloved husband, she would never have even appeared on a stage with him, let alone presented him with an award and said such kind things about him. Nor would Reagan’s son, Michael Reagan, have chosen to endorse Newt in this primary race. There are no two greater keepers of the Reagan legacy than Nancy and Michael Reagan. What we saw with this ridiculous opposition dump on Newt was nothing short of Stanlin-esque re-writing of history. It was Alinsky tactics at their worst.

But this whole thing isn’t really about Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney. It is about the GOP establishment vs. the Tea Party grassroots and independent Americans who are sick of the politics of personal destruction used now by both parties’ operatives with a complicit media egging it on. In fact, the establishment has been just as dismissive of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum. Newt is an imperfect vessel for Tea Party support, but in South Carolina the Tea Party chose to get behind him instead of the old guard’s choice. In response, the GOP establishment voices denounced South Carolinian voters with the same vitriol we usually see from the left when they spew hatred at everyday Americans “bitterly clinging” to their faith and their Second Amendment rights. The Tea Party was once again told to sit down and shut up and listen to the “wisdom” of their betters. We were reminded of the litany of Tea Party endorsed candidates in 2010 that didn’t win. Well, here’s a little newsflash to the establishment: without the Tea Party there would have been no historic 2010 victory at all.

I spoke up before the South Carolina primary to urge voters there to keep this primary going because I have great concern about the GOP establishment trying to anoint a candidate without the blessing of the grassroots and all the needed energy and resources we as commonsense constitutional conservatives could bring to the general election in order to defeat President Obama. Now, I respect Governor Romney and his success. But there are serious concerns about his record and whether as a politician he consistently applied conservative principles and how this impacts the agenda moving forward. The questions need answers now. That is why this primary should not be rushed to an end. We need to vet this. Pundits in the Beltway are gleefully proclaiming that this primary race is over after Florida, despite 46 states still not having chimed in. Well, perhaps it’s possible that it will come to a speedy end in just four days; but with these questions left unanswered, it will not have come to a satisfactory conclusion. Without this necessary vetting process, the unanswered question of Governor Romney’s conservative bona fides and the unanswered and false attacks on Newt Gingrich will hang in the air to demoralize many in the electorate. The Tea Party grassroots will certainly feel disenfranchised and disenchanted with the perceived orchestrated outcome from self-proclaimed movers and shakers trying to sew this all up. And, trust me, during the general election, Governor Romney’s statements and record in the private sector will be relentlessly parsed over by the opposition in excruciating detail to frighten off swing voters. This is why we need a fair primary that is not prematurely cut short by the GOP establishment using Alinsky tactics to kneecap Governor Romney’s chief rival.

As I said in my speech in Iowa last September, the challenge of this election is not simply to replace President Obama. The real challenge is who and what we will replace him with. It’s not enough to just change up the uniform. If we don’t change the team and the game plan, we won’t save our country. We truly need sudden and relentless reform in Washington to defend our republic, though it’s becoming clearer that the old guard wants anything but that. That is why we should all be concerned by the tactics employed by the establishment this week. We will not save our country by becoming like the left. And I question whether the GOP establishment would ever employ the same harsh tactics they used on Newt against Obama. I didn’t see it in 2008. Many of these same characters sat on their thumbs in ‘08 and let Obama escape unvetted. Oddly, they’re now using every available microscope and endoscope – along with rewriting history – in attempts to character assassinate anyone challenging their chosen one in their own party’s primary. So, one must ask, who are they really running against?

- Sarah Palin


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To: ansel12

Listening to Rush pretty regularly, he’s not pro-Romney. You shouldn’t put him in the same category as Drudge whose been in the tank for Mitt since the race started.


401 posted on 01/28/2012 5:24:06 AM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: b9
Dr Boaz Shacham, an expert on amphibians and reptiles, told AFP that from looking at images of the smashed-up serpent online, it appeared to be a coin-marked snake (hemorrhois nummifer), a non-venomous species which resembles a viper.

Timber rattlers have fangs and are a little tougher to gnaw on.

"Though highly venomous, rattlesnakes are of mild disposition, and they usually do not strike unless provoked to. They also have the capacity to control venom while biting, and hence sometimes bite without venom."

402 posted on 01/28/2012 5:31:01 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: dfwgator

If the power in the Republican Party has any influence, Mitt will be the nominee. My take is that is what Jeb and his father met with obama for.To let him know that the election plans were still on track.


403 posted on 01/28/2012 5:33:55 AM PST by sport
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To: sport

BINGO!!!! This is all a set up. Obama gets to stay in office, GOP gains a few senate seats, not a majority, and holds on to the house.

That is the evil corrupt bargain being made.


404 posted on 01/28/2012 5:36:18 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: fightinJAG

The weird thing about all this is I don’t know a single Romney supporter. Maybe I’m in a cave, but who and where are these people?

On the other hand, the Newt supporters, are enthusiastic and Tea Party types.

What is going on with these polls?

I’m not in Florida, but are any Florida FRers on here today who can cheer us up? Don’t give up....Get out the vote on Tuesday.


405 posted on 01/28/2012 5:41:40 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: lainde

Personally, I was for Romney in 2008 too. I didn’t know anything about the man other than he was a successful businees man who worked to make the Olympics successful. I thought he was heads above McCain and at the time with the economy collapsing he may have beat Obama.

But now it’s a different story. Anyone who doesn’t understand or see who Romney is, is naive or crazy. (I guess that sums up Ann Coulter).

Rush is wishy washy. In the end, he’s a very gutless fellow. He acts like he stays ahead of the curve, but he doesn’t. Like O’Reilly he pillars for all sides.

We’re on the home stretch here. The more Rush promotes Santorum, the more likely the guy will stay in the race and be the spoiler.

If he dropped out tomorrow, Newt wins. He won’t drop out, because the republican establishment wants him to stay in, and are threatening his future if he doesn’t.


406 posted on 01/28/2012 5:47:51 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Semper911
First of all. Sarah was never in the race. And no one could possibly believe Cain could win - it was all puff. That 'outsider/businessman' tactic doesn't work. Moreso, the reason for being an outsider was not because of a lack of trying as we know from Cain seeking election two times before. And Mitt being dumped out of MA and the '08 election.

Neither Cain nor Romney have past successes FOR America. Yes, they have plenty for themselves, their own pocket. I want to see someone who gave years of giving TO America that was positive. And Newt fills that bill - hands down! From early one - he put himself into America and not what America can give him.

Some immediately jumped on a candidates bandwagon without them having true knowledge of them. Listening to rhetoric is not knowing the person. It's like believing commercials - everyone has the best product.

No one, and I mean no one on FR was for Newt

You can't honestly say that because you don't know. It just sounds good. I know a few who were and I, personally, had NO candidate. I was able to watch the debates with an open mind because I didn't give a flip who won/lost. It's amazing the insight it offered, I saw tactics being played out. It was pitiful.

Now, as for others not being behind Newt - it's probably because they believed the media and their trashing Newt. This election was in play for awhile - Mitt knew he planned on running, again. So this campaign of his was in full swing since '08. We never saw any derogatory coverage of Mitt all these years did we as he wore the GOPE and liberal media cover. His backstabbing in '08 and after is known, but his bots choose to ignore it. If you have to lie and backstab - that's a sure indication you don't have much to go on. And, gee, looking at his record, he sure doesn't have anything going for himself but only his legacy of backstabbing and lying.

And who does he backstab? Conservatives and Sarah is one of them! FUMR! You will reap what you sow - it's a law in place like gravity is - you can't stop it. Not wise since the sins of the father, falls on his children for generations. Sorta like child abuse to feed his ego/pride.

407 posted on 01/28/2012 5:50:45 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GlockThe Vote

And the GOP runs Jeb in 2016 and he promises to repeal obamacare.


408 posted on 01/28/2012 5:53:31 AM PST by sport
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks onyx.


409 posted on 01/28/2012 6:12:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Yaelle

It’s one thing to give a half@ss endorsement as she has, it’s another to get down there on the bus and campaign with the man.

This would be a land slide for Newt right thru November if:

1. Santorum drops out now.
2. If not, Newt eykes out a win in Florida.
3. or Sarah comes down and campaigns with Newt. The crowds would go wild.

In summary, Santorum looks like he’s staying in to draw his 10% or so. If Newt loses FL, then there is no excuse for Sarah to stay out of this if Santorum stays in to Nevada because he’s there to derail Newt.

That’s the line in the sand. Newt can win this one on one, on the issues. Let’s get the two men together and debate the issues cleanly.

Santorum does nothing now except give us all ulcers.

Rick, you’re a good and decent man. But, you will NEVER EVER win the republican nomination. Who is telling you that you have a chance? Who?

And what if Newt wins in FL. Why are you staying in with that scenario?


410 posted on 01/28/2012 6:25:27 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Timber Rattler

She’s right but Newt’s attacks on capitalism to get at Romney were every bit as much part of the problem she describes


411 posted on 01/28/2012 7:13:44 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Anti-Hillary
Ummmm... Is that not what the Tea Party did in 2010?

And we need to stay focused on CONTINUING to concentrate on Republican primaries, and making sure that conservatives replace incumbent RINOs.

412 posted on 01/28/2012 7:13:54 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: cracker45

Cracker, I felt like throwing her in the river with the Gators after that.
Hopefully when the warmer weather comes she’ll hate it here and some snakes, gators, hogs and scorpions will make her mind that she needs to sod off up north again.

She’s the type who will see the battle flag around here and then complain about it.


413 posted on 01/28/2012 7:14:00 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: wardaddy

My misses and I were so grateful to Perry for what he did.

He put ego aside, he put the country and conservatives first and that is what we need more.

If Rick S does the same the amount of respect he will gain will be enormous and will help him for the future as he is only young still


414 posted on 01/28/2012 7:15:56 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: txhurl; All

Romney’s negative ratings soaring among independents

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romneys-negative-ratings-soaring-among-independents/2012/01/27/gIQAeVB1VQ_blog.html


415 posted on 01/28/2012 7:34:05 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
She’s right but Newt’s attacks on capitalism to get at Romney were every bit as much part of the problem she describes

Yep, and as I've been arguing to deaf ears over the past two months, the "imperfect vessel" Newt is as much a part of the problem as Romney and the GOP-E. Newt is NOT the savior of the country that everyone is pretending him to be right now. And the point of Sarah Palin's message is that the GOP-E has finally exposed itself to be just as bad as the Left in how it seeks and maintains power.

416 posted on 01/28/2012 8:08:31 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Great post Sarah!

FUMR!


417 posted on 01/28/2012 8:12:48 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: KC_Lion
I think the (Not So)GOP wants to shoot themselves in the foot this election, I think the Party elites don't want to rise to the challenge of Rolling Back Government Hellcare and Ubama's other legislation, I think they are contented to sit in the background eating at the Taxpayer trough like the rest of them and only mildly issuing counter arguments to the Lib's. If they throw this Election I say to Hell with the Republicans, they will have gone the way of the Whigs, and we will start our own party (but won't that mean Democrat Victories) I say it sure as hell ain't making much of a difference now anyways!

Here here, great post.

If I had a nickel for every Freeper ready to write Sarah in or might sit this one out because like me they revile Romney, I could go out for a nice steak dinner.

I am going to send a warning out to the GOP/RNC. If you go with Romney you will get no volunteers like you did with the Tea Parties to give you big wins in 2010. You will get none of our money. YOU WILL GET YOUR @$$ HANDED TOO YOU. So, continue down your centrist road of me-too-ism's and forgetting Reagan Conservativism. I for one will not vote for the evil lof 2 lessers. I like many Freepers will go link up with other Tea Party Conservative types and form a new Party. It is sad to see a political party committ suicide, but I can't stop them, so I am going to leave them to their own devices. Sucks to be them...

418 posted on 01/28/2012 8:25:45 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: SamAdams76
Now that most establishment Republicans have turned against him, I'm beginning to think that if Newt gets the nomination, that he will choose Sarah Palin to be his running mate. I also think that Sarah Palin will accept. Newt is 69 years old and may well decide to be a one-termer if he knows that Sarah is there to carry the flame of conservatism. Even if Newt is a two-term president, Palin will still be plenty young enough to run in 2020 and serve two terms on her own. We would see a much different Sarah Palin than the one we saw in 2008. She will be battle-hardened and seasoned. With Newt, she will be able to run the kind of campaign she wanted to run four years ago but wasn't able to - because she was held back by the McCain people. Could happen. But first, we need to get Newt nominated.

I have said this here as well as to my conservative friends to not rule it out. She brings the energy of the Tea Party with her to fill his volunteer centers, and she is vetted.

Newt has been around enough to know you need fill your team with a potential replacement, it is done in board rooms all the time.

I think Newt might do it as a form of poetic justice to the apparatchik's that tried to destroy him, if so I would laugh with him in glee as their heads explode as he does it...

419 posted on 01/28/2012 8:41:59 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: presently no screen name
Now, as for others not being behind Newt - it's probably because they believed the media and their trashing Newt.

That's not true. Newt has a long, documented record of pandering and coddling to liberals when it suits him. Heck, just go back to last May and June when he attacked Ryan and look at the posts on this board about him.

Here are a couple of good ones for example (including a lot of negative comments from many of his most ardent supporters today):

Gingrich endorses Scozzafava in NY-23 race ('Future of the party')

Gingrich Calls GOP Medicare Plan 'Right-Wing Social Engineering' (supports individual mandate)

Gingrich Apologizes to Paul Ryan for 'Right-Wing Social Engineering' Criticism

And he has been NO friend to Palin in the past when it counted:

Gingrich: ‘Strategic Blunder’ for Palin to Mock Obama as ‘Community Organizer’

Gingrich says Palin will not be the future GOP leader

And he admitted that he was trying to follow Obama on Libya this time last year:

Newt Gingrich Acknowledges ‘Contradictions’ On His Libya Views, ‘I Was Trying To Follow Obama’

Even JimRob himself once called Newt a genuine phony and at one point last November even said "Stick a fork in him. He’s done."

However, in the desperation to beat Romney and then Obama, many folks it seems are perfectly willing to sweep Newt's record for the past fourteen years under the rug for the sake of short term convenience. And anyone who dares to point out these unpleasant truths is now blasted on this board as an "agitator," a "fraud," and a "slanderer." (all names, among many others, that have been hurled at me personally because I refuse to sacrifice my Conservative principles and jump on the Newt bandwagon).

Newt is a very intelligent guy. I'll grant him that, but just as he has pandered to the Left and RINO element in recent years, he's figured out that he can win over the base by sounding like Sarah Palin in the debates. He even authored a well-known primer for new GOP congressmen in 1996 about how to manipulate the language to achieve one's political goals.

Unfortunately, a lot of good folks are buying it, hook, line, and sinker, and if he in fact manages to beat the GOP-E (which he was a part of until he got in Romney's way) and then Obama in the general, I guarantee that all will be disappointed in what they get from him.

420 posted on 01/28/2012 8:53:08 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

I didn’t read but a few lines of your post. When I want propaganda - I don’t come here.

You are so mislead - you are dripping with propaganda. It’s repulsive. Go to a liberal site - they will wallow in it with you.

Mitt is a POS liberal con man - it says alot about the weakness of your mind.

GO NEWT! The visionary patriot for America! Squash the maggots!


421 posted on 01/28/2012 9:00:40 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Timber Rattler
We know that Newt fought in the trenches during the Reagan Revolution. As Rush Limbaugh pointed out, Newt was among a handful of Republican Congressman who would regularly take to the House floor to defend Reagan at a time when conservatives didn’t have Fox News or talk radio or conservative blogs to give any balance to the liberal mainstream media. Newt actually came at Reagan’s administration “from the right” to remind Americans that freer markets and tougher national defense would win our future. But this week a few handpicked and selectively edited comments which Newt made during his 40-year career were used to claim that Newt was somehow anti-Reagan, and isn’t conservative enough to go against the accepted moderate in the primary race. (I know, it makes no sense, and the GOP establishment hopes you won’t stop and think about this nonsense. Mark Levin and others have shown the ridiculousness of this.) To add insult to injury, this “anti-Reagan” claim was made by a candidate who admitted to not even supporting or voting for Reagan. He actually was against the Reagan movement, donated to liberal candidates, and said he didn’t want to go back to the Reagan days.

Well said, Governor Palin. Well said indeed.

422 posted on 01/28/2012 9:02:37 AM PST by snowsislander (Gingrich 2012.)
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To: presently no screen name
I didn’t read but a few lines of your post. When I want propaganda - I don’t come here.

Thank you for making my point, old FRiend. You sound exactly like the cardinals who refused to look through Galileo's telescope at his heresy trial.

423 posted on 01/28/2012 9:04:15 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: presently no screen name
Mitt is a POS liberal con man - it says alot about the weakness of your mind.

And that's another point you're making for me---apparently if you don't support Newt these days, you MUST be a Romney supporter.

No, I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that I detest Romney and everything that he stands for. But, I'm not holding my nose any more and voting for lesser evils. I'll simply write in Sarah Palin's name on the ballot, go home, and sleep peacefully that night. Will you be able to do the same if you vote for Newt?

And in case you didn't bother to notice, I was the one who first posted Sarah Palin's message and started this thread. That alone pretty much destroys your cheap accusation.

424 posted on 01/28/2012 9:12:03 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler
We know that Newt fought in the trenches during the Reagan Revolution. As Rush Limbaugh pointed out, Newt was among a handful of Republican Congressman who would regularly take to the House floor to defend Reagan at a time when conservatives didn’t have Fox News or talk radio or conservative blogs to give any balance to the liberal mainstream media. Newt actually came at Reagan’s administration “from the right” to remind Americans that freer markets and tougher national defense would win our future.

BTTT.

GINGRICH 2012!

425 posted on 01/28/2012 9:27:51 AM PST by snowsislander (Gingrich 2012.)
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To: nikos1121

I have the same experience: I don’t know anyone supporting Romney and I don’t know who these people who are.

But that’s my personal experience.

Surveying the political landscape in toto, including the types of statements made by the prominent conservatives who are supporting Romney, I think it’s indisputable that the underlying theme is that they simply think he can beat Obama and none of the other candidates can/could.

I think Gingrich can still win Florida. But he has to focus on what matters to voters, which — it’s becoming increasingly clear — is persuading them of one thing: that he is the best candidate to beat Obama. Even when he knocks Romney, it needs to be brought back to the idea that Gingrich is the best candidate to beat Obama.


426 posted on 01/28/2012 9:43:44 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: presently no screen name

Good grief, *I* never said *I* thought Mittens was the best candidate to beat Obama.

I said that appears to be what is driving a lot of his support. And anyone who thinks simply saying Mittens is rotten for this, that and the other is not going to make any headway **unless** that information can also be used to show that he CANNOT beat Obama.

My whole point on this thread has been to offer up some ideas on how Gingrich can gain support, and how simply hoping and pining for the media to vet Romney is a waste of time (which you, yourself, admitted).

Palin didn’t go far enough. No one **out there** will care what comes out about Romney, no matter how much he is further vetted. If the dirt doesn’t seem to affect his **perceived** electability, — (read that again: that qualifier means that I am about to state a conclusion that is NOT my own, NOR do I think it’s factual, but it IS a perception that is animating a lot of Romney supporters) — voters are just going to shrug it off.

So, I don’t know how many times I have to say this for you, by IMO Newt needs to make everything that comes out of his mouth, including how he debunks unfounded negative attacks, relate back to his ability to defeat Obama.


427 posted on 01/28/2012 9:50:58 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Nextrush
Thank you! The trick is getting our fellow FRiends and conservatives to differentiate between panic and sense. I know I used to think I was being sensible when I voted FOR all the things I stand against in such candidates as Schwarzenegger and Meg Whitman, so it's easy for me to understand their thinking and feelings on the matter.

Panic and fear says "Anybody but Obama!" Even if it is a Republican Obama named Romney.

Sense says: "Wait a minute, let's think this through ..."

428 posted on 01/28/2012 9:52:26 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Nextrush

There’s no doubt there’s stuff out on Romney and that more stuff could/should be thrown at him.

The question is whether it will stick at this point, and that’s what I’m analyzing.

Doesn’t matter how much dirt there is against Romney, of how much it stinks to high heaven, if other factors about the political zeitgeist make it “impossible” for that dirt to stick.

That’s why I’m arguing that to go for the juglar, it’s not enough to “further vet” Romney and hope that bloodying his nose makes people not want to vote for him.

You have to undermine the RATIONALE they are using to vote for him. And, as I look around at the political landscape, it seems to me that the major rationale they are using is that Romney is **perceived by them** (UGH - see my previous post) to be more electable than Gingrich.

Right now the “no one is perfect” and “I don’t care what he’s done so long as he can defeat Obama” memes are working in Gingrich’s AND Romney’s favor.

That fact needs to be clearly addressed.


429 posted on 01/28/2012 9:56:01 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Timber Rattler
Even Michelle Malkin is shrilling for Romney these days. What is it with these people? They have forsaken right and wrong, for status and money.

Romney has proclaimed that he will install Romney care in all the States “when” he is elected. At least with Obama, he is so disconnected and busy touring, vacationing, campaigning and playing Golf, that he would do far less damage with his agenda than Romney would.

The first thing Romney would do if he is elected, would be to immediately swing to the extreme Left, like he did as Governor. He appointed the most Liberal of Judges and turned his nose up at all Conservative contenders for the bench. He also favors the Left in critical social issues, like Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc,.

A Romney presidency will be an utter disaster!

430 posted on 01/28/2012 10:03:55 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: An American!
Have you really no clue that I have been making observations about what I see out there?

It gets a little ridiculous when any observation about the political landscape that seems to go against one's candidate is greeted not as something to evaluate and, if needed, deal with, but as something to frantically dismiss as the rantings of Mittbot or whatever.

As for the upcoming contests, I specifically said "No debates are scheduled and the next states are said to favor Romney, and there is at least one state with a lot of delegates (Michigan, IIRC) where Gingrich failed to get on the ballot.

Um, IIRC = "if I recall correctly," thus I specifically alerted the reader to the fact that I may be making a mistake here, check it out.

431 posted on 01/28/2012 10:11:53 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Tribune7

Rush is pro-Romney still, just as he was last time. I have 24 years with him as a listener, and I can read his leanings pretty clearly, the sad thing is that on Bloody Thursday he went too far, and has lost some listeners, and convinced others that they can never again take him at face value.

He will forever be less than he was before Bloody Thursday, just as Drudge will be.


432 posted on 01/28/2012 10:12:13 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Timber Rattler; Jim Robinson

It is obvious that you are simply here to disrupt and spread anti-Newt propaganda.

What is your point? to guarantee that we lose to Romney out of your blind spite for Newt?


433 posted on 01/28/2012 10:14:01 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ansel12
Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, Gallagher, Malkin, etc,, will all notice their audience shrinking by over half, after this is over.

FAUX Snooze will also lose about half of their audience. I now get most of my information and news on my Laptop. Who needs the propaganda and rhetoric anymore, when we can have it straight and honest.

434 posted on 01/28/2012 10:19:35 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ansel12

I can’t help your emotional reaction to a simple statement of one’s opinion as to what the political dynamics are at the moment.

Nor can I help that you perceive those observations of what the political dynamics out there are as some kind of emotional pressure upon you to “lay off Romney.”

Is it emotionally threatening to merely discuss the fact that there are Romney supporters out there, and evaluating what’s moving them to support Romney for the purpose of trying to undermine that support in an effect rather than ineffective way? If so, I can’t help that, either.

All that is something that is going on in your own head. I really can’t see why you are framing this as someone out to get you.

And isn’t that a little personally aggrandizing? Really: none of my analysis has anything to do with you or who you are supporting and what you say or do not say about any of the candidates.

It’s just my view of what’s going on out there. If stating that creates too much emotional pressure for some, and makes them feel insecure in their own views, they need to address that, I guess.


435 posted on 01/28/2012 10:24:00 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: dandiegirl

If he’s not establishment, why did he support NAFTA, GATT, WTO?

I’ve listened to Rush since his first broadcast in Sacramento, and can testify to his overall establishment bent; its undeniable when all is considered.

GATT and WTO have cost us more than half of our standard of living.


436 posted on 01/28/2012 10:27:33 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Timber Rattler
I've made it perfectly clear in my posts that I detest Romney and everything that he stands for

Sure you did - and your anti-Newt posts show how much you detest Mitt. LOL! Nothing like campaigning for mitt the POS with fork tongue in your own style.

and sleep peacefully that night. Will you be able to do the same if you vote for Newt?

You betcha! I sleep peacefully EVERY night since I don't spend the day deceiving people. And that night won't be any different except with a rich sense of doing something FOR America - voting for NEWT while thanking those who gave their lives for our country to keep our liberties. And thank God for historians like Newt who teaches about the richness and beauty of Our Constitution.

I was the one who first posted Sarah Palin's message and started this thread.

If you didn't someone else would have - that's a given. Pissant used to post them all the time.

That alone pretty much destroys your cheap accusation.

Are you serious? LOL! It's just like mitt agreeing w/Newt about something on stage. Appearances, appearances. Agreeing with something you can't dispute to grab at some credibility. So it's more like your cheap tactic.

437 posted on 01/28/2012 10:36:46 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I agree with you fully on Romney.

I’m just saying that we need to place our hope in turning the GOP, not the vaporous hope of a non-existant 3rd party. We have a few months to go before all is lost, and we need to use our assets, the chiefest presently being the lurkers that frequent FR, to point in the most productive direction.

For a 3rd party we lack it all:

A candidate

Money

An organization

An audible voice

These things take lots of time and effort to realize.

Getting Santorum out is step one - we need to go there full throttle. Ron Paul appears to take more away from Romney than Gingrich.


438 posted on 01/28/2012 10:38:43 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: EDINVA

And I thought that David Limbaugh had some smarts...


439 posted on 01/28/2012 10:40:00 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: snowsislander

I guess we have arrived to the imperfect destination. It’s hard to support Newt, but Romney is a disaster. I trust Sarah P. therefore... (sigh)


440 posted on 01/28/2012 10:45:00 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Tribune7; ansel12

>> “Listening to Rush pretty regularly, he’s not pro-Romney.” <<

.
You’re not understanding the underlying dynamic.

Rush is not pro Romney, but he is owned top to bottom by the establishment. He dares not come out against Romney, nor for another candidate or his ride is over. Capiche?
.


441 posted on 01/28/2012 10:48:05 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: fightinJAG

Your little sing-song pushing of Romney is nothing but a boring, wordy, chant.

If you want to promote the man then get into some facts, something, anything, rather than this little emotional humming that you have been doing since yesterday.

Why do you prefer Mitt Romney, and why are you badgering us here to support him?

What do you have against Newt Gingrich that makes you feel that Mitt Romney better represents you?


442 posted on 01/28/2012 10:48:34 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Tribune7

I tried to tell myself that in 2008.

‘’I think the one candidate of the three still out there on our side that matter... in saying who more closely embodies all three legs of this conservative stool, you’d have to say that it’s Mitt Romney. There’s actually no choice in the matter.’’
(Monday, Feb 4, 2008)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_020408/content/01125109.guest.html.guest.html

But on Bloody Thursday, I had to come to the conclusion that Rush really does support Romney strong enough that he will do anything that he can, to stop anyone who is seriously in Mitt’s way.

It has been five years now, two primaries, and when the chips are down for Mitt, Rush steps up for him.


443 posted on 01/28/2012 10:53:34 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Their audiences will shrink some, but what really hurts them is that they lose credibility with conservatives, who will never take them at face value again, who will never totally trust them again, never give them our full respect.

Coulter gone, Drudge gone, Rush, the warm and fuzzy is over as he went Medved on us on Bloody Thursday.


444 posted on 01/28/2012 10:59:35 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m not going to vote for or support the ABORTIONIST/STATIST Mitt Romney, PERIOD!!

Suggest we redouble our efforts to get pro-life, small government, strong defense, Reagan conservative Newt Gingrich nominated and ELECTED!!

Rebellion is ON!!

Go, Newt!!

Live free or die!!


445 posted on 01/28/2012 11:00:27 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: ansel12

Newt is right about looking to the future. The young generation (under 40) have no desire to go back to the ‘good ol days’ of yesteryear. Today’s young people remember Clinton not Reagan. The Clinton years were the ‘good ol days’. (Luckily for Newt, they also remember that the sex life of the president is nobody’s business.)

Newt is right to say - move forward not backward. My son who is in college tells me all the time the problem with the GOP is they are tagged as ‘conservatives’ which to a young person means no energy. Young people are filled with energy and enthusiasm. Youth is about taking chances, making mistakes, and dreaming big. That used to be America. We are supposed to be about forward progress and risk taking. But the government has regulated and taxed ideas and citizens into submission and stagnation. The young people are clamoring to be set free. That’s why they voted for (now) old man Obama. Newt’s talk about space exploration is a great idea. Obama promised vague hope and change. Newt is telling them ... here’s something concrete for you to strive for. He’s going to out-witt Mitt. And then he’s going to out-dream Obama. (I hope.)


446 posted on 01/28/2012 11:09:22 AM PST by carmody
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To: editor-surveyor

Right now I don’t know what the answer is, but just as the establishment drew a line in 2008 and 2010, where they showed us that they were willing to lose elections, and defeat even the Republican nominees to stop conservatism from prevailing over the party, then it is time for us to face facts and know that this is a do or die moment.

I won’t be voting for Mitt Romney, what will I be doing? I will follow and participate in discussions to come, as many of us have to confront the ugly truths of the last three years, and as we face having to reevaluate decades old political knowledge, loyalties, and what we considered our personal ‘wisdom’.


447 posted on 01/28/2012 11:10:08 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Timber Rattler

To devote all this passionate posting to getting us not to vote for Romney’s opponent is a strange passion, not exactly typical of how political primary passions run among conservative primary activists.

You say that you have already decided to lay low and not vote for either of them, fine, now move along and lets us deal with the primary among ourselves as we fight to defeat Romney and advance newt Gingrich.


448 posted on 01/28/2012 11:20:04 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: wardaddy

Thanks. Have to wonder if Santorum’s return home will affect his supporters in FL. Or, really, how many will even know he’s left the state over the weekend?

Floridians are being inundated with ads from Mitt/Newt and their superPACs. Is Santorum getting any coverage at all? Is all the ‘news’ coverage on the war between the frontrunners, and, are people still paying attention?


449 posted on 01/28/2012 11:30:22 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: cracker45
Some here will claim that I was a Mitt supporter ever since because of what I just said. They are morons.

A bug that seems to be going around the forum right now...

450 posted on 01/28/2012 11:38:16 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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