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Pentagon Seeks Mightier Bomb vs. Iran
Wall Street Journal ^

Posted on 01/27/2012 5:14:51 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Pentagon Seeks Mightier Bomb vs. Iran By ADAM ENTOUS And JULIAN E. BARNES

WASHINGTON—Pentagon war planners have concluded that their largest conventional bomb isn't yet capable of destroying Iran's most heavily fortified underground facilities, and are stepping up efforts to make it more powerful, according to U.S. officials briefed on the plan.

The 30,000-pound "bunker-buster" bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, was specifically designed to take out the hardened fortifications built by Iran and North Korea to cloak their nuclear programs.

But initial tests indicated that the bomb, as currently configured, wouldn't be capable of destroying some of Iran's facilities, either because of their depth or because Tehran has added new fortifications to protect them.

Doubts about the MOP's effectiveness prompted the Pentagon this month to secretly submit a request to Congress for funding to enhance the bomb's ability to penetrate deeper into rock, concrete and steel before exploding, the officials said.

The push to boost the power of the MOP is part of stepped-up contingency planning for a possible strike against Iran's nuclear program, say U.S. officials.

The Defense Department has spent about $330 million so far to develop about 20 of the bombs, which are built by Boeing Co. The Pentagon is seeking about $82 million more to make the bomb more effective, according to government officials briefed on the plan.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; iran; jihad; nuclear
Hmmm.......
1 posted on 01/27/2012 5:14:54 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

We’ll never know until we actually use it, will we?


2 posted on 01/27/2012 5:16:54 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Sub-Driver

Yeah

I was thinking what one very small nuke would do.


3 posted on 01/27/2012 5:18:38 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Sub-Driver

The next step would have to be the EPNM,
the Earth Penetrating Nuclear Munition,
dropped in series to eat their way down
to the facility.

Probably messy but who cares.


4 posted on 01/27/2012 5:22:20 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Sometimes conventional ordinance just isn't enough, and it takes one to destroy one.
5 posted on 01/27/2012 5:23:00 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Sub-Driver
What we need is velocity, not mass. Forget gravity bombs. We need something very hard and rocket propelled.
6 posted on 01/27/2012 5:26:19 PM PST by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: tet68

Just explode a very dirty nuke so all the operators get radiation poisoning every time they go to work the next 100 years. Besides we have plenty of shovel ready nukes in inventory.


7 posted on 01/27/2012 5:27:14 PM PST by pwatson
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To: Sub-Driver

You know, it’s probably not necessary to actually “Destroy” a bunker totally if you can convert it to a tomb!

So long as the elevators and tunnels are collapsed by the blast, no one and no material will be getting in or out.

The Idjits might dig them out eventually, but the activity would be visible and easily stopped with conventional bombs.


8 posted on 01/27/2012 5:30:30 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: ryan71

How about a 1000kg solid Tungsten or Depleted Uranium warhead on an ICBM? I believe tha the impact would be 0.075 Kilotons focuses on a small area.


9 posted on 01/27/2012 5:31:15 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: pwatson

Too bad we got rid of the B41’s. High yield and dirty.


10 posted on 01/27/2012 5:31:26 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Steve Newton

Or a larger one for extended deterence.


11 posted on 01/27/2012 5:37:18 PM PST by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Fred Hayek

B53s. Nine megatons yield and you can lay them right down on top by parachute.


12 posted on 01/27/2012 5:39:17 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: All

Off Topic...

Note: It is unknown to me if this is correct information or disinformation.

#

presstv.ir/detail/223154.html

“Iran, Iraq ink MoU on transportation”
Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:34AM GMT

SNIPPET: “Iran’s Minister of Roads and Urban Development Ali Nikzad (L) and Iraq’s Minister of Transportation Hadi al-Amiri signed an MoU on transportation.

Iran and Iraq have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to increase cooperation in road, railway and air transportations as well as technical and engineering fields.

The MoU was signed by Iran’s Minister of Roads and Urban Development Ali Nikzad and Iraq’s Minister of Transportation Hadi al-Amiri on Wednesday.

Under the MoU, Iran and Iraq agreed to facilitate bus travel and launch more direct flights between the two countries. They also agreed to connect the two countries’ railways through Khosravi and Shalamcheh border lines.

Nikzad also said Iran is ready to cooperate with Iraq in housing projects.”


13 posted on 01/27/2012 5:41:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Sub-Driver

The question is...

Is there a money for a bigger bomb and how long will that take?

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Off Topic:

defense.gov//News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=66959

“Odierno: Army Will Become More Capable Through Drawdown”

By Lisa Daniel
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Jan. 27, 2012

defense.gov//News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=66960

“Schwartz: Smaller Air Force Will Still be Effective”

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Jan. 27, 2012


14 posted on 01/27/2012 5:46:37 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

A Look at Iran
http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html


15 posted on 01/27/2012 5:47:43 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Sub-Driver

Why wouldn’t we just try to blow up the elevators down to the bottom. Cut off their O2 and will set them back a few days.


16 posted on 01/27/2012 5:47:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: ryan71

Dropping rods from space would do just fine.


17 posted on 01/27/2012 5:55:25 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: All

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4181664,00.html

“Barak: Iran ‘drifting’ toward nuke goal line

Defense minister tells Davos World Economic Forum international community must curb Tehran’s nuclear ambitions before surgical strike becomes only option”

Associated Press
Published: 01.27.12, 14:28 / Israel News

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4181550,00.html

“Dempsey: US, Israel view Iran threat very differently
US army chief says Washington determined to prevent nuclear Iran, ‘but that doesn’t mean dropping bombs necessarily’”

Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 01.27.12, 00:08 / Israel News


18 posted on 01/27/2012 5:56:42 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Sub-Driver

We do not need one...we need real leadership!


19 posted on 01/27/2012 5:58:53 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ok, then use 10 of those consecutively in the same spot - they hit it sooner or later.


20 posted on 01/27/2012 5:59:56 PM PST by PMAS
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To: Sub-Driver

Ok, then use 10 of those consecutively in the same spot - they’ll hit it sooner or later.


21 posted on 01/27/2012 6:00:10 PM PST by PMAS
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To: himno hero

Smile

I like it


22 posted on 01/27/2012 6:02:40 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: tet68

I was gonna say, just drop it from higher and let it fall faster to strike the target before exploding!

A steel rod 1 foot in diameter with fins on it dropped from an orbiting vehicle might just do it at 20,000 MPH, ya think?


23 posted on 01/27/2012 6:07:30 PM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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During WWII, the British discovered that their largest, purpose built, “Bunker Buster” bombs could not crack some of the more hardened Nazi sites.

They did not build a bigger bomb, they just used what they had in an elegant fashion. Rather than target the actual site, the British targeted the perimeter of the site. The bombs would detonate to the side and below the actual target, leaving a huge hollow cavity that the hardened facility would slide into.

Think of it as creating an artificial sink hole close enough to you target, so said target falls into the void.

I don't see why this would not work in this case. Oh...my bad...we actually have to have someone in charge that would carry out the attack.

24 posted on 01/27/2012 6:09:08 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Cindy

is that your site??

I ABSOLUTELY want to copy those pages and the information!!

http://www.rescueattempt.com


25 posted on 01/27/2012 6:10:57 PM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: RaceBannon

Rods from God.


26 posted on 01/27/2012 6:18:24 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Of course it really doesn’t matter what you have,
if you don’t have the will to use it.

I remember a scene from highschool,
a friday night fight, someone pulled a knife,
someone else pulled a gun,
the guy with the knife proceeded to stab the guy
with the gun...


27 posted on 01/27/2012 6:25:09 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RaceBannon

I’m afraid even rods probably have a terminal velocity < 20 KMPH. But no doubt such a weapon would work, even at substantially less speed. I think we have bombs that go really fast and are made of concrete. No explosives, but the energy released by the fast deceleration does the job with less risk of collateral damage.

The trouble I have with this is they’ll just dig down deeper and render any such deep-reach bomb obsolete before the first one is deployed. I like the notion of simply blasting the surface clear and blow up anything that tries to dig out. Sooner or later the little bastids have to come out to use whatever they make down there.


28 posted on 01/27/2012 6:30:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Sub-Driver

29 posted on 01/27/2012 6:32:17 PM PST by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Sub-Driver

This baby aught to get'er done!

30 posted on 01/27/2012 6:36:07 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: GenXteacher
Might need one of these

Or maybe one of these


31 posted on 01/27/2012 6:39:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Sub-Driver

Iranians are the most experienced tunnelers in the world, have been for 2,500 years.

They are well aware of the MOAB and bunker buster technology.

The minimum depth at the entrance of the nuke facility under construction near Quom is 300 feet of rock. It is fully self contained and off the grid.

They know they won’t get nuked.


32 posted on 01/27/2012 7:04:34 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: Sergio

Though popularly believed to be so, WWII bombing just wasn’t that accurate. Here’s one example -

“At the same time, Britain’s air force began to realise that its bombers were not able to find and hit specific war targets such as airfields or armament factories. An investigation revealed that just one in five aircraft was succeeding in dropping its bombs within five miles of its target. Under such circumstances, the bombing offensive could only be effective if it was directed at targets as big as cities.

The Americans too found themselves moving towards area bombing of cities. Although they would continue to claim that they were engaged in ‘precision’ bombing of military targets, 80 per cent of their bombing missions in the last quarter of 1944 relied on radar. Half of their bombs missed the aiming point by more than two miles.”


33 posted on 01/27/2012 7:33:10 PM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: gandalftb

What about a G-hardened sub-kiloton upgrade to the GBU-28 already delivered, based on the W33?


34 posted on 01/27/2012 8:47:22 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

The GBU-28 max’s out at 100 feet of dirt. The Iranians are 300 feet+ of rock at the recessed entrance, the rest of the facility goes much deeper. Nukes couldn’t dig em’ out.


35 posted on 01/27/2012 9:08:56 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

How about we effed up Saudia Arabia and Iran straight up? No, we have to fight everyone, but them. Joke’s on joe populace.


36 posted on 01/27/2012 9:19:28 PM PST by TwoSwords (Romney is Crassus. Newt is Parthian.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I, too, favor nukes to take out deeply buried assets. For the far distant future, it'll be relativistic weapons:
How much damage would the 7 kilograms of used kitty litter from Sneaky the cat's litterbox inflict if it was traveling at a velocity of 90% c?

Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - P2)) - 1) * M * 9e16

Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - 0.92)) - 1) * 7 * 9e16

Ker = 8.2e17 Joules, about 195 megatons.

Not bad, for kitty litter.


37 posted on 01/27/2012 9:20:28 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: gandalftb
If our bunker busters can't reach them try something different.

Bury them so they can't get out.
Target the supply lines, air, power, communications.

38 posted on 01/27/2012 10:24:07 PM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: tet68

There ya go...


39 posted on 01/28/2012 12:28:12 AM PST by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well then...use them like a PHD (post hole digger) and keep dropping them in the same hole until the required depth
is reached. I would think no more than five or six would do it.

If that isn’t enough then burn your way in with some thermonuclear devices.


40 posted on 01/28/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by soycd
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To: relee

They are as self-contained and wireless as a submarine. All hardwire utilities use Faraday Cage type shielding.

The Iranians have put their best minds on it. Our only real option is economic warfare, which is becoming very effective.

They reduced the value of the rial by 8% yesterday.

So many Iranians are converting their savings to dollars that the Iranian government made the ownership of dollars illegal last week.

The Iranian government mandates banks to pay savings accounts a 21% interest rate in order to get Iranians to stop hoarding rials.


41 posted on 01/28/2012 8:50:21 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: PGR88

“Nuke it from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.” (Aliens)


42 posted on 01/28/2012 10:36:07 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: gandalftb

People go in and out. That means doors. People breath. That means air vents. Glass over the air vents, and they rely on compressed air of dubious quantity.

Rule of thumb. People die from
1. Three minutes without air
2. Three days without water
3. Three weeks without food

I would support sanctions aimed at the top of that short list.


43 posted on 01/28/2012 10:41:35 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: Sergio

I like the WWII Disney bombs developed by the Brits, but used by the US.

Then we can develop the “Victory Through Airpower” Earthquake Bombs.


44 posted on 01/28/2012 10:46:03 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: tet68
"The next step would have to be the EPNM, the Earth Penetrating Nuclear Munition, dropped in series to eat their way down to the facility."

Or a cratering device with a larger yield as per some of the old tests but with penetrators. My dad was at one test while in the Army (detonation in the air), and many of us grew up just fine after so many tests just to the west of us. ...still alive, healthy here, and no spring chicken.

Only the current ruling class of bipartisan born regulators stands in the way, with their allegiance to foreign adversaries and low freight fuel prices for their imports.


45 posted on 01/28/2012 5:10:37 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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