Skip to comments.New Romney Healthcare Czar, Pam Bondi, on Greta defending RomneyCare and his Healthcare Task Force
Posted on 01/28/2012 3:18:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson
I have not been able to find the entire On The Record Bondi interview, either in video OR professional transcript, so I transcribed it myself. Hopefully the full segment video, with transcript, will become available, so any mistakes I may have made can be corrected.
Below is the transcription of Greta's Pam Bondi interview, transcribed directly from the TV segment [the later rebroadcast]. (Note: In the rebroadcast, there was a second or two in which there was a loss of audio and a black screen; I have noted it in the transcript]
Greta's 1-27-2012 interview On The Record with Pam Bondi
GRETA: And he is certainly taking a lot of flak for it, but Gov Romney insists his healthcare law he signed in MASS s different from Pres. Obama's healthcare law, but Rush Limbaugh says that's not true.
Greta starts interview with RUSH LIMBAUGH show video clip:
Romney says, "92% of the people in my state had insurance before the plan went in place, nothing changes for them." Obama: "If you like your plan, you get to keep your plan," except that you don't, but that's what Obama said. "If you like your plan, you get to keep it, we're not touching it. If you like your doctor, you get to keep it, we're not changing it." "For the 8% of the people who didn't have insurance we said to them if you can afford it, buy it, and if you don't want to buy insurance, then you gotta help pay for the cost."
Obama: "You gotta buy insurance or pay a fine."
[EDITED OUT OF THE RUSH VIDEO] This is Santorum's point, it's the same thing. Your option is to buy insurance required, or you pay a fine. Now, the way Obamacare is structured, the fine is much cheaper than the insurance, for a couple of years, by design. The idea is to get people paying the fine. They are the free riders. Romney is right, they pay the fine but if they show up at the emergency room, by law they have to be treated. They're the free riders. So Santorum is saying, "See, it's the same thing.
Obama's doing the same thing. Romney doesn't call his plan a fine. You don't buy insurance, then you have to help pay for the cost; it's the same thing. This is why people say there's not much difference between the two plans.
And then Romney says, "Under federal law if somebody doesn't have insurance then we have to care for them in the hospitals, give 'em free care. So we said no more free riders." So you're paying a fine or you're buying health insurance, which is what Obamacare is.
Source of video excerpt: Santorum Hammers Romney on Obamacare
GRETA: FLA Attorney General Pam Bondi has spent the past year trying to get Pres Obama's healthcare law overturned, but she's also supporting Gov Mitt Romney for President. Is that a contradiction of not? Atty Gen Bondi joins us. Good evening Pam.
BONDI: Good evening Greta. Good to talk to you.
GRETA: Nice to talk to you. OK, How do you reconcile these two plans and your support for Gov Romney and the Mass Plan, and, of course, I assume you just heard what Rush Limbaugh just said.
BONDI: Oh, and I have so much respect for Rush Limbaugh, of course. But, oh, there is nothing to reconcile. These are two completely different plans. And I'm listening to Rush, taking notes. Let me tell you what I wrote:
ObamaCare raises taxes.
Mitt Romney's plan would not.
ObamaCare has Medicare diversions.
Romney's plan would not.
Pres Obama's federal healthcare plan creates new federal bureaucracy.
Romney's plan would not.
It [ObamaCare] reduces choice.
Mitt Romney's plan would not.
It raises costs.
Mitt Romney's Plan lowers costs.
I could keep going, but it's about States Rights. From day one, Mitt Romney, and I'll tell you along with Newt Gingrich, along with Rick Santorum, along with Ron Paul, all of our candidates have said, the first thing that they will try to do is get rid of the Federal government healthcare takeover. So all the candidates have said that.
And let me tell you, I have been asked to be on Gov Romney's task force. I am going to be part of his healthcare policy team, um, when he's president to undo this and to create good healthcare. So I wholeheartedly support him, and I don't think he contradicts it at all. In fact, he is doing everything that we agree with.
GRETA: Ok, Let me ask you this. It is enormously complex, all these healthcare questions. Just one of them recently said it reduces costs, and I'm only quoting from what Politico has on 10/26/11 in which it says that even Gov Romney admits it does not reduce costs in Mass. That the whole idea in Mass was to expand coverage so people could be covered, but an admission that it didn't reduce costs cause healthcare costs have been rising and, not in this article, doesn't the Mass[ Healthcare] Plan get some Federal subsidy, so in some way we all sort of pick up the tab?
BONDI: Well, that's in Mass, not in the entire country. He wants a plan where each state can decide what to do in their own state that wouldn't raise costs. And let me tell you Greta, Of the majority of states... [Greta interrupts]
GRETA: Let me ask you about the mandate there. Just so the viewers understand. The national plan has a mandate. The state plan has a mandate. You argue that the national plan mandate is unconstitutional, but there is a distinction with the state plan, is there not?
BONDI: Yes, yes. Federal healthcare plan mandates that every person in this country buy insurance, and if not, we will be penalized or taxed. What we want is for each state to have the ability to regulate and create their own healthcare plans that best fit each state. That's what we want. That's what we mean when we talk about the mandate.
And of the 26 states that are involved in the lawsuit that FLA is leading, the majority of the states---some are governors, some are Attys General---but the majority of the states involved in that healthcare lawsuit have endorsed Mitt Romney, and we stand behind Mitt Romney for Governor as well as my fellow cabinet members Adam Putnam, Jeff Atwater and [black screen /no audio for a second or two] completely remaining neutral. He's not helping anyone behind the scenes, as well as our Senate president and our speaker of the house.
GRETA: Alright. I'm going to take the last word. leaving this just so that I edit the other side ... Bill McCollum, who started the lawsuit, your predecessor in the state of FLA as the AG, he is one of the co-chair of Newt Gingrich's campaign. You, of course, are part of endorsing Gov Romney, just to put some perspective on it.
But anyway, it is enormously complicated, and we are going to see what happens at the end of June in your national lawsuit challenging the national healthcare. Thank-you Pam. Nice to see you.
IT'S STILL A MANDATE, YOU CRAPWEASEL!
Not you, Jim. I wasn't calling you a crapweasel.
This really sucks.
Federal Socialism or State Socialism, pick thy poison!
It would take a fool to not see ANY government run agency will end up in the hands of the Feds.
The Mittiot needs his A$$ nailed to the wall with no wiggle room.
Yet another “gubmint solution” aimed at the symptom rather than the problem.
Less government, please!
This lady must think we’re all idiots to belive her BS. ObamaCare & RomneyCare are one in the same.
Oh this ain’t nothing, you should have read Ann Coulter’s tweets during the debate, she was practically swooning over Romneycare, saying its different then Obamacare..I dont know what the hell has happened to the GOP but its gone to hell in a hand basket really fast
Thank you very much, thouworm!! And there you have it, folks. Bondi has accepted Romney’s offer to make her his new National Healthcare Czar and her responsibility will be to get all 50 states to impose Romney like top-down government approved forced healthcare systems!!
This is not free market, is not conservatism, is not Liberty. It is government tyranny!!
Ronald Reagan warned us that the socialists would take over America by imposing socialist healthcare. Well, here it is. A president Romney would usher in socialized healthcare in all 50 states. This is his goal and he’s creating a task force and naming his Czar to get it done. This is NOT states rights!!
We know from recent history that his plan has or will have death panels and taxpayer funded abortion!! Even if it doesn’t make it into the bills, the liberal activist judiciary will force it in, and a president Romney will not lift a finger to stop them!!
States rights do NOT trump our God given unalienable rights to Life and Liberty!!
Romney loves RomneyCare which is identical to ObamaCare. He claims he will repeal (parts of) ObamaCare, but he has plans to install something even worse, because he would do it as a “conservative free-market states rights solution.”
But it’s stil RomneyCare/ObamaCare and it’s still socialism and anti-Liberty!!
NO ROMNEY, NO WAY!!
NO socialized healthcare!!
No more Czars!!
RomenyCare = ObammieCare, plain and simple.
Who do you think pays for that mandate, Pam?
That's right, Pam...I DO!!! No amount of lying will cover that fact up. Just look at what RomenyCare has done to MA!!
Glad to see Milt has his Czars lined up, Pam.
The establishment has no intention of turning back Obamacare. It simply wants to be in charge of it, and the windfall of revenue.
I wonder if the black screen is on purpose. During his great interview with Greta on his bus, Newt said that the Governor had been "helpful". I took the helpful to be in a general way and I believe Newt had acknowledged that Gov. Rick Scott was not endorsing. Bondi was so "in the bag" for Romney during this interview (& she had evidently been listening to the Greta/Newt interview) that she made the comment that she had JUST talked to Gov. Scott herself and he was NOT helping "anyone behind the scenes" .... it was obvious she meant Newt. It was just plain snarky and this is why Greta said she was taking the last word and said what she did about Bill McCollum.
"ObamaCARE and RomneyCARE are conservative.
We are PROUD of their death panels
and that Romneycare cost the Bay State citizens more than 18,313 jobs
and drove up total health insurance costs in Massachusetts by at least $4.311 billion;
and collapsed disposable income per person by $376; and
even reduced investment in Massachusetts by $25.06 million.
Screw the worthless people in Massachusetts.
Like this mindless wench, they ONLY live
to serve me and BAIN, and besides ...
I FLED TO CALIFORNIA."
Oh, man - that’s great! Is it a bumper sticker? It needs to be a bumper sticker! It needs to be sky-writing!
Romney already pandering to liberal Democraps... Wow!
"Create good healthcare."
I still can't get used to this. The federal government is going to create good healthcare. Pure socialism.
Everybody's got a stake in everybody's health. Nutrition is essential to health, so the logical step after healthcare is to take over feeding everyone well. They will create "good feeding." Once everyone's responsible for feeding everyone else, what's next? Anything? Oh yeah. Deciding who should NOT be fed.
Mitt Romney will get us there, he'll "create" good healthcare. Hoo-ray for Creator Mitt.
Thanks. Please feel free to use it.
No Abortney, No Way!
Are there any federal lawyers out there who have background in election law?
Just thinking of Blank-O and all the talk he did about what will I get for it.....and he didn't even seal the deal.
Well, he’s definitely bought off this lady. Made her a Czar!! Wouldn’t doubt he bought off other officials in Florida and VIRGINIA!!
Oh, yeah, and he definitely bought off Nikki Haley with thirty pieces of silver.
absolutely, no difference, Pam is a fool, very disappointing, Romneybot!
Ah, he wants not a national plan but 50 different state plans! That’s so Romney! He won’t be to blame for any of them.
But, but, didn’t she just say he was going to “create” healthcare? Didn’t she just outline a plan — ONE plan — that was different from Obama’s in this respect, and this, and this and this?
The dope would be far better off it he just admitted his mistake and said he learned from it and move on. The American public is unfortunately far more forgiving than I.
In the post-SOTU commentary, Andrea Mitchell was nearly breathless to brake this news:
ANDREA MITCHELL: "I talked to a top Romney adviser tonight who said, 'Look, if Mitt Romney cannot win here in Florida, then we're going to have to try to reinvent the smoke-filled room which has been democratized by all these primaries. And we're going to have try to come with someone as an alternative to Newt Gingrich who could be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, someone.' Because there is such a desperation by the so-called party elites, but that's exactly what Gingrich is playing against."
THEN came this:
"You will not repeal the act in its entirety, but you will see major changes, particularly if there is a Republican president," Coleman told BioCentury This Week television in an interview that aired on Sunday. "You can't whole-cloth throw it out. But you can substantially change what's been done."
THEN came this:
When in fact, this was the real news:
"As Ben Domenech notes in his Transom [Note: subscription site], Mitt Romneys advisors have now advised him to support a $2 gas tax, a VAT, and open Taliban talks."
She wouldn’t answer the question relating to federal subsidy for romneycare. I wish someone would provide this number.
Immediately after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was signed into law on March 23, 2010, 13 Attorneys General filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Treasury and the U.S. Department of Labor alleging the Health Care Reform law signed by the President was unconstitutional.
The amended complaint currently features 26 state plaintiffs; additionally, the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) joined the lawsuit as a co-plaintiff on behalf of its members nationwide.
The lawsuit, filed in the federal courts Northern District of Florida on March 23, alleges the new law infringes upon the constitutional rights of Floridians and residents of the other states by mandating all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage or pay a tax penalty. By imposing such a mandate, the law exceeds the powers of the United States under Article I of the Constitution. Additionally, the tax penalty required under the law constitutes an unlawful direct tax in violation of Article I, sections 2 and 9 of the Constitution.
The lawsuit further claims the health care reform law infringes on the sovereignty of the states and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution by imposing onerous new operating rules that Florida must follow as well as requiring the state to spend billions of additional dollars without providing funds or resources to meet the state's cost of implementing the law. This burden comes at a time when Florida faces severe budget cuts to offset shortfalls in an already-strained budget.
Just like Obama
Romney never met a mandate that he didnt or wouldnt forsce on the taxpayers...
Romney is on record bragging about getting the federal government, ie, me and you brother, for picking up half the tab for RomneyCare and that’s why it didn’t immediately blow the Massachusetts budget. He’s a national socialist through and through.
Incidentally, overseeing a nation of 50 states and having some tweaked Obamacare floating over 50 separate state plans, sounds like a recipe for utter chaos.
As I recall, the Founding Fathers didn’t think it prudent for states to coin money or have their own post offices or certain other prerogatives of the national government. Just too messy.
You’d wind up having to stay home a lot, unless they had reciprocity in healthcare. But maybe that’s the plan. Stay home and shaddap.
No, it’ll eventually be so messy — it’s like when Obama said, if you like your plan you can keep your plan. A state crafts its own plan, because Romney wants to let a hundred flowers bloom a la Mao; and then it gets so messy, they really CAN’T keep their plan, they have to take the federal plan.
Maybe they should just GTFO of the healthcare business, and stay out.
Those doggies are smarter than some Republicans...
I just emailed Gingrich and alerted him to this thread with the information. He and McCollum will be able to find out more and hopefully address it. Limbaugh and Mark Levin will for sure. I VCR’d this particular show and do have it on VHS tape but cannot find it online either for some odd reason. (Very strange!) I do feel everything is there in your transcript that should be as I listened to it twice. I could not believe what I was hearing.
Can somebody translate those reds into English, please? In what sense have states endorsed him and where exactly is he running for governor?
Here is the full interview, Jim:
I live in NH but work in Boston. So my health plan is out of Massachusetts. My costs have tripled since Romneycare was implemented.
Your statement brings to my mind that over the years, with Demos,Repubs or whomever with power, our Nation has been turned into a polyglot of laws that allow other people to control/have-a-say in the lives and activities of anyone other person’s life,as long as the those people get something for themselves, deserved/earned or not deserved/earned. Smooth talking politicians/lawyers have turn this Nation into a social programs Tower of Babel. I have for years watched and listened to Obama contributing to the situation. As of the last few days I’m coming to believe Romney and all his enablers care not that the situation for our Nation gets any better. They want power over people. Afterthought: It seems to me that instead of talking about Romney switch-talking, Newt’s people should be calling Romney the king of modern day Babel.
Report dated YESTERDAY shows Mitt has made some ‘technical changes’ to his financial disclosure form ... i.e., the Swiss bank acct is GONE but not clear what else was changed.
Newt commits to firing every czar on day one. Romney is already lining up his army of czar’s.
In many ways, Romney is nothing more than a white Obama.
Well, I guess Obama faces East when he prays, while Romney dreams of being a god on his planet Kolob.
They’re both nuts.
RomneyCare has metastasized into yet another big-government cancer. Barack Obama wasn’t being entirely disingenuous when he cited RomneyCare as his model for Washington-run health care.
Lately, some Romney apologists have suggested that RomneyCare, as first conceived by the former Massachusetts governor, had its virtues. Say the apologists, the trouble with RomneyCare came when now-Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and the big spenders and government-growers in the state legislature got their hooks into the program.
This only shows what any good conservative knows about an entitlement, no matter how limited in intention. Liberal politicians — and more than some establishment Republicans — will find ways to grow entitlements to their advantage. Does anyone really think Social Security, which is heading for crisis, would be a hot topic if it had stayed a meager pension supplement as started by FDR in the 1930s?
What businessman-turned-Governor Mitt Romney gave to Deval Patrick and Massachusetts’ liberal legislators with RomneyCare was an exploitable opportunity — an opportunity to take Romney’s supposed “conservative” health care program and blow a hole in it bigger than the hole that sank the Titanic. (RomneyCare was more ambitious to start with than apologists claim, anyway.)
The fact is that government entitlements, however modestly begun, are going to follow the iron law of politicians’ self-interest. Growing government, expanding and increasing bennies, and shoveling contracts to special interests are the tickets to politicians’ job security — or so has been the case in Washington and plenty of state capitals for too many decades.
Not incidentally, for all Mitt Romney’s boasting about not raising taxes in Massachusetts, RomneyCare, in fact, has upped taxpayer bills in two important ways. As the Wall Street Journal reported last year:
While Massachusetts’ uninsured rate has dropped to around 3%, 68% of the newly insured since 2006 receive coverage that is heavily or completely subsidized by taxpayers. While Mr. Romney insisted that everyone should pay something for coverage, that is not the way his plan has turned out. More than half of the 408,000 newly insured residents pay nothing, according to a February 2010 report by the Massachusetts Health Connector, the state’s insurance exchange. [Italics added]
And this tidbit from the same Wall Street Journal article:
Mr. Romney’s promise that getting everyone covered would force costs down also is far from being realized. One third of state residents polled by Harvard researchers in a study published in “Health Affairs” in 2008 said that their health costs had gone up as a result of the 2006 reforms. A typical family of four today faces total annual health costs of nearly $13,788, the highest in the country. Per capita spending is 27% higher than the national average. [Italics added.]
Yet for all of RomneyCare’s evident failure, businessman Romney has stubbornly continued to defend the program. A smart businessman — and a smarter politician — would have acknowledged RomneyCare’s failure, claimed to have learned lessons, cut his losses, and moved on.
What’s confounding is that, if as stated now that Gov. Deval Patrick, lib and BHO bud, took advantage of the opening Romneycare gave him as crook libs do, why isn’t Romney defending himself and saying that to describe the healthcare financial mess in MA now?
That’s totally vacant, misleading and disingenuous on the reality .. and purposeful.
He can honestly say he’s immediately gonna do an EO to
eliminate Obamacare, ‘cause he’ll just replace it with his
schemes. Transparent as a window ...
Gotta side with ya there HG...The mediots have totally taken off the table that it is IMPOSED on citizens.
The assholes foisting ***care (gov't, bambi, romney-style, state..etc..) are NOT going to be in the same system we will have to deal with. This is all pure socialism and will ignite real "class warfare".
Newt's my choice, but the reality is that we are likely stuck with Romney.
Meaning, we have the choice between Obama, or a paler version of Obama.
What happened to this country.
Guess Bondi’s going for a cabinet position. Or at least an ambassadorship. Very sad.
How much money are these FL “conservative” politicos being paid, anyway??? Allen West must be feeling like the Lone Ranger right now.
Of COURSE Romney and his people don’t care about our country - if they did, they’d be conservative!
Newt needs to hit Romney harder on the issues and his record as it relates to them. I hope he has the resources because Romney and his powerful backers are really fighting dirty. If only Santorum didn’t needlessly continue to siphon off votes when he doesn’t have a chance. Rick Perry is a patriot; Rick Santorum is just selfish.
Just connecting the dots and keeping up with Bimbo Bondi. She did it again.